[05:49] morning all. power going off soon for the whole day [05:49] be good guys and gals [05:50] remember big brother watching you === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:55] yikes! [06:56] kilos really seems to have a problem with power in his area [06:56] good mornings [07:00] good morning [07:12] morning inetpro, psydroid, magespawn [07:12] *maiatoday [07:12] morning [07:12] ohi Squirm [07:14] morning Superfly [07:15] morning Squirm [07:15] hi maiatoday [09:00] morning all [09:45] man this room is quiet without Kilos [09:50] ha [09:50] yar === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [09:53] hi magespawn, Vince-0 [09:53] hey superfly, Vince-0 [09:54] haai [10:01] eish [10:01] Oh this will be fun [10:02] * Trixar_za gets out his surfboard for some netsplit riding [10:06] * inetpro joining Trixar_za for the fun [10:16] Well that was disappointing [10:38] Trixar_za: hehe [10:38] The waves just kept getting smaller [10:40] the freenode guys seem to be quite effectie these days [10:40] no more big waves [10:40] effective* [10:44] I bet it's more luck of the draw than anything :P [10:44] If they had to reroute the larger servers, we'd have a bigger split [10:46] there's still a heck of a lot more splitting and peer resets and apparent ping timeouts on Freenode than on any of the other IRC networks I am on === timkeller_freeno is now known as timkeller [11:36] bbl go to go work [11:39] Hmmm, I think I'm too used to tabbed browsing. Nearly opened up a tab to a channel just now [11:39] you dont use tabbed irc? [11:39] I right clicked and realized "Wait a minute, Xchat doesn't have tabbed browsing..." [11:43] I like the trees on the left hand side === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [12:28] herro [12:28] anybody used SOAP + Java? [12:35] combining two horrible technologies, I like it :) [12:36] they were kind of made for each other, though. Just the same kind of enteprisey over-complexity and verbosity [12:42] lol [12:42] tumbleweed: why do you say SOAP is horrible? [12:43] what i've read about SOAP so far is that is allows different programming languages to communicate with each other [12:43] and that you can do alot with SOAP [12:58] zeref: SOAP is a solution looking for realistic problem. For almost everyone, a RESTful approach to API design and use is (currently) best. [12:58] ^a realistic [13:00] zeref: communication between programming languages isn't a complex problem [13:00] SOAP is a very complex solution [13:00] or to rephrase that, isn't *necessarily* a complex problem [13:00] hmmm [13:01] k, where i work they use SOAP. what else would you guys recommend? [13:01] then maybe i would be able to be the complexities of SOAP [13:01] depends on the problem [13:02] but simple RESTy http is quite nice to work with [13:03] will have a look at that..... [13:04] but guess I'll have to learn SOAP [13:05] always nice to learn new things :D [13:48] afternoon guys [13:49] hehe\ [13:49] hi tara-lynn__ [13:49] \o [13:49] hey kilos [13:49] hi aquarat [13:49] my daughter needs help [13:50] lol [13:50] im serious man [13:50] lol [13:50] hehe [13:50] what does she need help with ? [13:50] lol [13:50] her pc hangs when moving the bar goodie while streaming youtube [13:50] tara-lynn__, tell them [13:51] hi Kerbero help my kind sblief [13:51] she has had 12.10 for 0ne day after years on winsucks [13:51] there is one easy solution: don't use youtube [13:51] but [13:51] what browser? [13:52] the fox [13:52] hmm [13:52] i would suggest google chrome [13:52] Yo. [13:52] thats her life the tube [13:52] I am Kilos' daughter. [13:52] :) [13:52] I had Chrome [13:52] Still froze. [13:52] and also, go to youtube.com/html5 and sign up for the html5 trial [13:52] And it's not just Y outube [13:52] It freezes when I use my recording program [13:52] *could be a video driver problem [13:52] flash in linux is a problem [13:52] And when I used Photoshop for a few hours (and then went to save) [13:52] has always been [13:52] I had Windows XP before - with the same issue [13:53] o [13:53] It's why I switched to Linux. I thought XP was just being stupid. [13:53] ok [13:53] check if all the fans in your pc are clean [13:53] They are. [13:53] No dust. [13:53] something might be overheting [13:53] Spinning at full capacity. [13:53] I put my hand there (not touching, obviously) and I can only feel a slight bit of warmth. [13:53] Barely any. [13:54] How do I update my video drivers on Ubuntu? [13:54] When I had XP, I got a blue screen that was nv14.exe or something [13:54] o [13:54] It was related to my graphics card. [13:54] nvidia [13:54] Which is nvidia [13:54] is it an nvidia / atiamd card [13:54] Yeah [13:54] I dunno what atiamd is [13:54] eish, nvidia has had some issues - [13:54] in that start menu search bar thingy type driver [13:54] lol... [13:54] The Dash thing? [13:54] I installed a thing called additional drivers [13:54] yes [13:55] additional drivers [13:55] 12.10 needs it to be installed [13:55] you can choose to install the propriatery drivers there [13:55] Okay. So should I type 'driver' or 'additional drivers'? [13:55] worth a try [13:55] Terminal or dash itself? [13:55] dash [13:55] Because typing in 'driver' took me to a whole bunch of songs with 'driver' in the title [13:55] Vince-0, is jockey not installed by default in 12.10? [13:56] Ah wait [13:56] Okay. [13:56] What am I looking for once I've done that? [13:56] a window listing available drivers [13:56] nope, had to install "Additional Drivers" from software center [13:56] ahh ok [13:56] Okay one sec. [13:56] Vince-0, help tara-lynn__ with that quickly [13:56] Pardon my stupidity [13:56] Is it the nvidia binary? [13:57] basically [13:57] Ubuntu Software Center > Search additional drivers > install [13:57] I see 'Additional drivers' [13:57] In the dah [13:57] sh [13:57] there are 3 versions: current, update and binary - [13:57] I think you just want current [13:57] Okay. Wait one. [13:57] I have endless issues with Nvidia optimus on my notebook but you shouldn't have that [13:58] Okay, installing. [13:58] Whew, here's hoping. [13:58] Thing is [13:58] I haven't always had this issue [13:58] hi divansantana [13:58] ew [13:58] And I've had this computer with all this hardware since 2009 [13:58] Hi Kilos and everyone :) [13:58] Hiya diva. [13:59] Overdue I joined ubuntu-za :) I'll try get the rest of the guys here to join too :) [13:59] good welcome to ubuntu-za [13:59] rest of the guys from where [14:00] I also can't get all my speakers to work with Ubuntu [14:00] But. One problem at a time. [14:00] I work at FNB in the Linux team Jhb [14:00] that will most likely be sound card drivers needed [14:00] Okay, it finished installing the NVidia binary current driver [14:00] ah good. divansantana bring them [14:00] Do I need to do anything extra in that respect? [14:01] Restart/etc? [14:01] ya reboot [14:01] whats the best IRC chat program for unity+ubuntu? I've always been a huge KDE+Arch Linux fan [14:01] OKay. I will brb. :) [14:01] nope you dont restart with every app install tara-lynn__ [14:01] Oh [14:01] I use Xchat for Unity [14:01] I've got Unity. [14:01] or anything for that matter [14:01] xchat [14:01] kilos will do [14:01] So peculiar having the taskbar on the side. [14:01] Okay, what am I doing? Restarting or not restarting? [14:01] Should I get sound drivers first? [14:01] have to reboot [14:02] Okay. [14:02] Kilos ok using that thanks [14:02] :P at Kilos [14:02] what you installed now tara-lynn__ [14:02] I installed the nVidia graphics card binary current driver thing [14:02] just get help to setup divansantana or you end up in main ubuntu channel [14:02] brb [14:03] i think mine only came into effect after a reboot [14:06] do you guys know of cheap vps hosting is south africa? [14:06] Kerbero, she is a singer and artist and can use pc like normal peeps so needs mothering [14:06] NOT paradigm.co.za - vps isn't in this country [14:07] wb kiddo [14:07] oh tara-lynn__ [14:07] Thanks. lol [14:08] does everything look the same [14:08] Yes...? Why wouldn't it? [14:08] lol [14:08] i thought it might have bells on now [14:08] sometimes that unity bar disappears [14:08] I also need to update my ethernet card. When I had Windows, I got a blue screen related to the realtek blabla, and then I updated the driver and didn't get that blue screen again [14:09] (I had lots of blue screens. Fun not) [14:09] Ohh, okay. Nope, I still got the tastkbar. [14:09] -t [14:09] ok then thats just me chaning the desktop for Gnome3/Cinnamon/LXDE [14:09] so no sound? [14:10] a PC of 2 years or so should have a pretty standard audio driver - unless you've got an add in sound card? [14:10] I love linux [14:10] only need to reboot on kernel update [14:10] All my speakers worked with Windows [14:11] Squirm unless you using ksplice [14:11] Ubuntu only plays front left and front right [14:11] And subwoofer [14:11] Not center, rear left, rear right. [14:11] divansantana: ksplice? [14:11] Squirm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksplice https://www.ksplice.com/ [14:11] How do I find out what my sound card is? [14:12] type in terminal lspci [14:12] Squirm: Used to be free on Ubuntu. Will be free on Oracle Linux. Pay for on RHEL [14:12] i think it will be there [14:13] Squirm: But yes Linux is totally awesome :D [14:13] 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01) [14:13] there guys what driver does she need [14:13] hiya maiatoday [14:14] looks like a standard onboard device - [14:14] check what Sound Settings looks like [14:14] or just "Sound" in the unity search [14:14] Sound Settings allow me to select "surround sound 5.0" etc [14:15] But every time I do, and then do the test, it still only plays the front left and front right [14:15] are all 3 output jacks plugged into the card? [14:15] divansantana: oh wow, that's kinda cool [14:15] Yep. [14:16] How does one quickly type a persons name in IRC/xchat? surely there is a shortcut/autocomplete for this? [14:16] I haven't touched the speakers where they are connected [14:16] Since I switched from XP to Ubuntu. [14:16] They all worked fine in XP. [14:16] [tab] [14:16] type 3 characters and hit tab [14:16] @ divansantana [14:16] Now only the front left and front right work in Ubuntu. [14:16] ew, I haven't configured surround in ubuntu before [14:16] Kilos, darn thats easy woops and thanks - glad I asked tho [14:16] you can type 1 character and hit tab. you might have to tab a few times though [14:16] Aw... [14:17] Well, I can live with two speakers for now. My main issue is trying to sort out this freakin' freezing problem. [14:17] tara-lynn__, is this a PC? Do you not have multiple sound devices in your PC? onboard and pci card? [14:17] It is a PC. [14:17] And... urh. [14:17] One sec. [14:17] quick Google search: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOuseUqe9Y [14:18] lspci |grep -i audio [14:18] tara-lynn__, lspci |grep -i audio [14:18] Well [14:18] divansantana, she is just starting to learn geek talk [14:18] I'm not stupid by any means, but yeah. Geek talk is only a sliver of my vocab. [14:18] Kilos, ok :) [14:18] so if sudo is needed please give full commands [14:18] I've got only one sound card. Or... Only one area where I can input speaker plugs. [14:19] tara-lynn__, you should read through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound [14:19] Yep, I've got that up, thank ya. [14:19] yes tara-lynn__ but is it an actualy sound card plugged in not the onboard on [14:19] apparently pulseaudio is set to 2 channels by default [14:19] Oh [14:20] It... looks like it might be. How can I determine that? [14:20] jeez you'd think they would have made that a bit easier for desktop users [14:20] But then again, if it was an extra sound card above the onboard one, wouldn't there be two locations you can put the speaker plugs in? [14:21] nope [14:21] Also, just curious - what is this little horizontal, orange bar underneath the chat namelist? [14:21] the onboard on is part of the motherboard [14:21] thats the lag thingie [14:21] .:+lanky:. run everything as root, I say. Reduce the number of user accounts someone can attack [14:21] .:+lanky:. also, all your permissions problems go away instantly. Never be denied access, ever again! [14:21] hover over it [14:21] Oh yep. I see. [14:21] Lag is 0.3 seconds [14:22] Anyway, back to the issue. :P This freezing. [14:22] until you have an SELinux enable box :/ [14:22] So, check for muted channels first. Then you can edit the daemon.conf file with the correct config [14:22] Should I watch a Youtube video and try to freeze the comp, or do I have to do other stuff? [14:22] Oh. [14:22] I assume all the directions are on that webpage you linked me? [14:22] yep, [14:22] Okeydoke, thanks much. [14:22] but test the video driver first - you might need a different one or there is another problem [14:23] KEWL! Im outta here! work is OVAA [14:23] So, test the driver just by watching Youtube? [14:23] that was the problem before? yes - [14:23] okay. [14:23] Thanks. :) [14:23] I'm out here everyone :) ciao will likely be back tomorrow and from now on :) [14:23] PEACE OUT [14:23] tara-lynn__: make your pc freeze, remember what you were doing that made it freeze, restart and then check the log file(I never used to use this messy thing, but it can be quite helpful) [14:23] cheer divansantana [14:24] Also though [14:24] It has frozen twice whilst I've been in the Dash [14:24] Kilos, ciao :) [14:24] When I've opened dash, and clicked 'back' to erase something I searched for. [14:24] Squirm, tell her the command to check syslog please [14:24] Squirm, okeydoke. [14:24] cat /etc/var/log/syslog [14:24] Squirm, she knows nothing about linux so try help as you would a noob [14:25] lol [14:25] cat /var/log/syslog [14:25] ty [14:25] lol [14:25] No /etc? [14:25] I've only been using Linux for about four days. [14:25] and it's not syslog [14:25] 1sec [14:25] messages [14:25] After several years of using Windows [14:25] cat /var/log/messages [14:25] That's to check the log, or? [14:25] in terminal, type `cat /var/log/messages` [14:26] but you will need to pastebin the output of that command tara-lynn__ [14:26] hmmm, might have to type `sudo cat /var/log/messages` [14:26] then the guys can go look for errors [14:26] As soon as I figure out what pastebin means. :P [14:26] http://slexy.org [14:26] what he said [14:27] or PBin: http://paste.ubuntu.com [14:27] Okay, let me do a log thingy first and then try to make the comp freeze, and do another. [14:27] you copy the output and paste it at slexy the tick the bottom block and it will give a new link at the top [14:27] you bring that link here [14:27] Sweet [14:28] it will be a lot of text [14:28] Okay. [14:28] It's saying invalid for the cat /var et [14:28] c [14:28] I typed in " sudo cat /var/log/messages [14:28] sudo cat /var/log/messages [14:28] And " cat /var/log/messages [14:29] try [14:29] sudo makes you more powerful tara-lynn__ [14:29] gksudo /var/log/messages [14:29] acting like root [14:29] sorry [14:29] gksudo gedit /var/log/messages [14:30] Okay [14:30] It opened up a white window [14:30] With messages (/var/log) - gedit at the top [14:30] And 'messages' and 'untitled document 1' tabs in the main body [14:30] Both are empty, but Untitled Document is still loading [14:31] Save is not selectable for Untitled Document, but it is selectable for 'messages' [14:31] Even though I can't see any text to save. [14:31] ok [14:31] try [14:31] gksudo gedit /var/log/syslog [14:32] sorry, I was looking on a CentOS machine. there it's messages, Mint is syslog, so I assume Ubuntu would be syslog [14:32] my bad [14:32] I have to go now, work is over! but I'll be back a bit later. [14:32] My sys log is only four lines [14:32] Maybe because that's all I've done since I restarted. [14:32] And aww, darn. Alrighty. Thanks for your help. [14:33] hmm [14:33] sorry [14:46] Hiya tara-lynn__! [14:47] Hi superfly! :D [14:47] But wait, I gotta restart. Just changed sound stuff. [14:52] Wb Vince-0 [14:53] haai [14:54] hi superfly [14:54] looks like her pc hung again [14:56] Tara-Lynn here. [14:56] lol [14:56] Dang, stupid xchat hated my name changing [14:56] Anyway, followed that tutorial and I still only have sound in two speakers. [14:56] LAME. [14:57] that will be sorted sometime [14:57] the main issue is the hanging [14:58] Yeah [14:58] Let me watch some Youtube. [14:58] And hope the video card update did the trick [14:58] Though I doubt it [14:58] I'm on my phone, can you give me a quick recap? [14:58] Okay, so [14:58] *SIGH* lol [14:58] Long story. [14:59] Essentially, had blue screens for ages, which I attributed to me pulling out two usb flash drives at the same time without unmounting them [14:59] (This was back when I had XP) [14:59] Right. [14:59] So anyway, blue screens galore over the last several months, including lagging and freezing. [14:59] Mainly the blue screens and the lagging, though [14:59] that would need one really twisted usb stack [14:59] Indeed. [14:59] Lagging was attributed to having silverlight installed [14:59] A microsoft update that does... who knows what. [15:00] Gave my comp to a friend, who reformatted, left Silverlight out, and voila. No lagging. [15:00] replace flash [15:00] badly [15:00] Tonberry. Did you get that from Final Fantasy? [15:00] where else? [15:00] KilosKid: Silverlight is Microsoft's alternative to flash. [15:00] WOO. <3 [15:00] Ah, okay. [15:00] So anyhoo [15:00] About a week after I got my PC [15:00] back* [15:01] I got blue screens [15:01]