[05:49] <Kilos> morning all. power going off soon for the whole day
[05:49] <Kilos> be good guys and gals
[05:50] <Kilos> remember big brother watching you
[06:55] <inetpro> yikes!
[06:56] <inetpro> kilos really seems to have a problem with power in his area
[06:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:00] <psydroid> good morning
[07:12] <superfly> morning inetpro, psydroid, magespawn
[07:12] <superfly> *maiatoday
[07:12] <Squirm> morning
[07:12] <superfly> ohi Squirm
[07:14] <psydroid> morning Superfly
[07:15] <psydroid> morning Squirm
[07:15] <psydroid> hi maiatoday
[09:00] <magespawn> morning all
[09:45] <magespawn> man this room is quiet without Kilos
[09:50] <Vince-0> ha
[09:50] <Vince-0> yar
[09:53] <superfly> hi magespawn, Vince-0
[09:53] <magespawn> hey superfly, Vince-0
[09:54] <Vince-0> haai
[10:01] <Vince-0> eish
[10:01] <Trixar_za> Oh this will be fun
[10:02]  * Trixar_za gets out his surfboard for some netsplit riding
[10:06]  * inetpro joining Trixar_za for the fun
[10:16] <Trixar_za> Well that was disappointing
[10:38] <inetpro> Trixar_za: hehe
[10:38] <Trixar_za> The waves just kept getting smaller
[10:40] <inetpro> the freenode guys  seem to be quite effectie these days
[10:40] <inetpro> no more big waves
[10:40] <inetpro> effective*
[10:44] <Trixar_za> I bet it's more luck of the draw than anything :P
[10:44] <Trixar_za> If they had to reroute the larger servers, we'd have a bigger split
[10:46] <superfly> there's still a heck of a lot more splitting and peer resets and apparent ping timeouts on Freenode than on any of the other IRC networks I am on
[11:36] <magespawn> bbl go to go work
[11:39] <Trixar_za> Hmmm, I think I'm too used to tabbed browsing. Nearly opened up a tab to a channel just now
[11:39] <Tonberry> you dont use tabbed irc?
[11:39] <Trixar_za> I right clicked and realized "Wait a minute, Xchat doesn't have tabbed browsing..."
[11:43] <bakuman> I like the trees on the left hand side
[12:28] <zeref> herro
[12:28] <zeref> anybody used SOAP + Java?
[12:35] <tumbleweed> combining two horrible technologies, I like it :)
[12:36] <tumbleweed> they were kind of made for each other, though. Just the same kind of enteprisey over-complexity and verbosity
[12:42] <zeref> lol
[12:42] <zeref> tumbleweed: why do you say SOAP is horrible?
[12:43] <zeref> what i've read about SOAP so far is that is allows different programming languages to communicate with each other
[12:43] <zeref> and that you can do alot with SOAP
[12:58] <timkeller> zeref: SOAP is a solution looking for realistic problem. For almost everyone, a RESTful approach to API design and use is (currently) best.
[12:58] <timkeller> ^a realistic
[13:00] <tumbleweed> zeref: communication between programming languages isn't a complex problem
[13:00] <tumbleweed> SOAP is a very complex solution
[13:00] <tumbleweed> or to rephrase that, isn't *necessarily* a complex problem
[13:00] <zeref> hmmm
[13:01] <zeref> k, where i work they use SOAP. what else would you guys recommend? 
[13:01] <zeref> then maybe i would be able to be the complexities of SOAP
[13:01] <tumbleweed> depends on the problem
[13:02] <tumbleweed> but simple RESTy http is quite nice to work with
[13:03] <zeref> will have a look at that.....
[13:04] <zeref> but guess I'll have to learn SOAP
[13:05] <zeref> always nice to learn new things :D
[13:48] <Kilos> afternoon guys
[13:49] <Kilos> hehe\
[13:49] <Kilos> hi tara-lynn__ 
[13:49] <koiosify> \o
[13:49] <aquarat> hey kilos
[13:49] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[13:49] <Kilos> my daughter needs help
[13:50] <aquarat> lol
[13:50] <Kilos> im  serious man
[13:50] <Kilos> lol
[13:50] <aquarat> hehe
[13:50] <aquarat> what does she need help with ?
[13:50] <Kerbero> lol
[13:50] <Kilos> her pc hangs when moving the bar goodie while streaming youtube
[13:50] <Kilos> tara-lynn__, tell them
[13:51] <Kilos> hi Kerbero help my kind sblief
[13:51] <Kilos> she has had 12.10 for 0ne day after years on winsucks
[13:51] <Kerbero> there is one easy solution: don't use youtube
[13:51] <Kerbero> but
[13:51] <Kerbero> what browser?
[13:52] <Kilos> the fox
[13:52] <Kerbero> hmm
[13:52] <Kerbero> i would suggest google chrome
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> Yo.
[13:52] <Kilos> thats her life the tube
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> I am Kilos' daughter.
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> :)
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> I had Chrome
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> Still froze.
[13:52] <Kerbero> and also, go to youtube.com/html5 and sign up for the html5 trial
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> And it's not just Y outube
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> It freezes when I use my recording program
[13:52] <Vince-0> *could be a video driver problem
[13:52] <Kerbero> flash in linux is a problem
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> And when I used Photoshop for a few hours (and then went to save)
[13:52] <Kerbero> has always been
[13:52] <tara-lynn__> I had Windows XP before - with the same issue
[13:53] <Kerbero> o
[13:53] <tara-lynn__> It's why I switched to Linux. I thought XP was just being stupid.
[13:53] <Kerbero> ok
[13:53] <Kerbero> check if all the fans in your pc are clean
[13:53] <tara-lynn__> They are.
[13:53] <tara-lynn__> No dust.
[13:53] <Kerbero> something might be overheting
[13:53] <tara-lynn__> Spinning at full capacity.
[13:53] <tara-lynn__> I put my hand there (not touching, obviously) and I can only feel a slight bit of warmth.
[13:53] <tara-lynn__> Barely any.
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> How do I update my video drivers on Ubuntu?
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> When I had XP, I got a blue screen that was nv14.exe or something
[13:54] <Kerbero> o
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> It was related to my graphics card. 
[13:54] <Kerbero> nvidia 
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> Which is nvidia
[13:54] <Vince-0> is it an nvidia / atiamd card
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> Yeah
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> I dunno what atiamd is
[13:54] <Vince-0> eish, nvidia has had some issues -
[13:54] <Kerbero> in that start menu search bar thingy type driver
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> lol...
[13:54] <tara-lynn__> The Dash thing?
[13:54] <Vince-0> I installed a thing called additional drivers
[13:54] <Kerbero> yes
[13:55] <Kerbero> additional drivers
[13:55] <Vince-0> 12.10 needs it to be installed
[13:55] <Kerbero> you can choose to install the propriatery drivers there
[13:55] <tara-lynn__> Okay. So should I type 'driver' or 'additional drivers'?
[13:55] <Kerbero> worth a try
[13:55] <tara-lynn__> Terminal or dash itself?
[13:55] <Kerbero> dash
[13:55] <tara-lynn__> Because typing in 'driver' took me to a whole bunch of songs with 'driver' in the title
[13:55] <Kerbero> Vince-0, is jockey not installed by default in 12.10?
[13:56] <tara-lynn__> Ah wait
[13:56] <tara-lynn__> Okay.
[13:56] <tara-lynn__> What am I looking for once I've done that?
[13:56] <Kerbero> a window listing available drivers
[13:56] <Vince-0> nope, had to install "Additional Drivers" from software center
[13:56] <Kerbero> ahh ok
[13:56] <tara-lynn__> Okay one sec.
[13:56] <Kerbero> Vince-0, help tara-lynn__ with that quickly
[13:56] <tara-lynn__> Pardon my stupidity
[13:56] <tara-lynn__> Is it the nvidia binary?
[13:57] <Kerbero> basically
[13:57] <Vince-0> Ubuntu Software Center > Search additional drivers > install
[13:57] <tara-lynn__> I see 'Additional drivers'
[13:57] <tara-lynn__> In the dah
[13:57] <tara-lynn__> sh
[13:57] <Vince-0> there are 3 versions: current, update and binary -
[13:57] <Vince-0> I think you just want current
[13:57] <tara-lynn__> Okay. Wait one.
[13:57] <Vince-0> I have endless issues with Nvidia optimus on my notebook but you shouldn't have that
[13:58] <tara-lynn__> Okay, installing.
[13:58] <tara-lynn__> Whew, here's hoping.
[13:58] <tara-lynn__> Thing is
[13:58] <tara-lynn__> I haven't always had this issue
[13:58] <Kilos> hi divansantana 
[13:58] <Vince-0> ew
[13:58] <tara-lynn__> And I've had this computer with all this hardware since 2009
[13:58] <divansantana> Hi Kilos and everyone :)
[13:58] <tara-lynn__> Hiya diva.
[13:59] <divansantana> Overdue I joined ubuntu-za :) I'll try get the rest of the guys here to join too :)
[13:59] <Kilos> good welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:59] <Kilos> rest of the guys from where
[14:00] <tara-lynn__> I also can't get all my speakers to work with Ubuntu
[14:00] <tara-lynn__> But. One problem at a time.
[14:00] <divansantana> I work at FNB in the Linux team Jhb
[14:00] <Kilos> that will most likely be sound card drivers needed
[14:00] <tara-lynn__> Okay, it finished installing the NVidia binary current driver
[14:00] <Kilos> ah good. divansantana bring them
[14:00] <tara-lynn__> Do I need to do anything extra in that respect?
[14:01] <tara-lynn__> Restart/etc?
[14:01] <Vince-0> ya reboot
[14:01] <divansantana> whats the best IRC chat program for unity+ubuntu? I've always been a huge KDE+Arch Linux fan
[14:01] <tara-lynn__> OKay. I will brb. :)
[14:01] <Kilos> nope you dont restart with every app install tara-lynn__ 
[14:01] <tara-lynn__> Oh
[14:01] <Vince-0> I use Xchat for Unity
[14:01] <tara-lynn__> I've got Unity.
[14:01] <Vince-0> or anything for that matter
[14:01] <Kilos> xchat
[14:01] <divansantana> kilos will do
[14:01] <tara-lynn__> So peculiar having the taskbar on the side.
[14:01] <tara-lynn__> Okay, what am I doing? Restarting or not restarting?
[14:01] <tara-lynn__> Should I get sound drivers first?
[14:01] <Vince-0> have to reboot 
[14:02] <tara-lynn__> Okay.
[14:02] <divansantana> Kilos ok using that thanks
[14:02] <tara-lynn__> :P at Kilos
[14:02] <Kilos> what you installed now tara-lynn__ 
[14:02] <tara-lynn__> I installed the nVidia graphics card binary current driver thing
[14:02] <Kilos> just get help to setup divansantana or you end up in main ubuntu channel
[14:02] <tara-lynn__> brb
[14:03] <Kilos> i think mine only came into effect after a reboot
[14:06] <koiosify> do you guys know of cheap vps hosting is south africa?
[14:06] <Kilos> Kerbero, she is a singer and artist and can use pc like normal peeps so needs mothering
[14:06] <Vince-0> NOT paradigm.co.za - vps isn't in this country
[14:07] <Kilos> wb kiddo
[14:07] <Kilos> oh tara-lynn__ 
[14:07] <tara-lynn__> Thanks. lol
[14:08] <Kilos> does everything look the same
[14:08] <tara-lynn__> Yes...? Why wouldn't it?
[14:08] <Kilos> lol
[14:08] <Kilos> i thought it might have bells on now
[14:08] <Vince-0> sometimes that unity bar disappears 
[14:08] <tara-lynn__> I also need to update my ethernet card. When I had Windows, I got a blue screen related to the realtek blabla, and then I updated the driver and didn't get that blue screen again
[14:09] <tara-lynn__> (I had lots of blue screens. Fun not)
[14:09] <tara-lynn__> Ohh, okay. Nope, I still got the tastkbar.
[14:09] <tara-lynn__> -t
[14:09] <Vince-0> ok then thats just me chaning the desktop for Gnome3/Cinnamon/LXDE
[14:09] <Vince-0> so no sound?
[14:10] <Vince-0> a PC of 2 years or so should have a pretty standard audio driver - unless you've got an add in sound card?
[14:10] <Squirm> I love linux
[14:10] <Squirm> only need to reboot on kernel update
[14:10] <tara-lynn__> All my speakers worked with Windows
[14:11] <divansantana> Squirm unless you using ksplice
[14:11] <tara-lynn__> Ubuntu only plays front left and front right
[14:11] <tara-lynn__> And subwoofer
[14:11] <tara-lynn__> Not center, rear left, rear right.
[14:11] <Squirm> divansantana: ksplice?
[14:11] <divansantana> Squirm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksplice https://www.ksplice.com/
[14:11] <tara-lynn__> How do I find out what my sound card is?
[14:12] <Kilos> type in terminal lspci
[14:12] <divansantana> Squirm: Used to be free on Ubuntu. Will be free on Oracle Linux. Pay for on RHEL
[14:12] <Kilos> i think it will be there
[14:13] <divansantana> Squirm: But yes Linux is totally awesome :D
[14:13] <tara-lynn__> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[14:13] <Kilos> there guys what driver does she need
[14:13] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[14:14] <Vince-0> looks like a standard onboard device - 
[14:14] <Vince-0> check what Sound Settings looks like
[14:14] <Vince-0> or just "Sound" in the unity search
[14:14] <tara-lynn__> Sound Settings allow me to select "surround sound 5.0" etc
[14:15] <tara-lynn__> But every time I do, and then do the test, it still only plays the front left and front right
[14:15] <Vince-0> are all 3 output jacks plugged into the card?
[14:15] <Squirm> divansantana: oh wow, that's kinda cool
[14:15] <tara-lynn__> Yep.
[14:16] <divansantana> How does one quickly type a persons name in IRC/xchat? surely there is a shortcut/autocomplete for this?
[14:16] <tara-lynn__> I haven't touched the speakers where they are connected
[14:16] <tara-lynn__> Since I switched from XP to Ubuntu.
[14:16] <tara-lynn__> They all worked fine in XP. 
[14:16] <Squirm> [tab]
[14:16] <Kilos> type 3 characters and hit tab
[14:16] <Squirm> @ divansantana 
[14:16] <tara-lynn__> Now only the front left and front right work in Ubuntu.
[14:16] <Vince-0> ew, I haven't configured surround in ubuntu before
[14:16] <divansantana> Kilos, darn thats easy woops and thanks - glad I asked tho
[14:16] <Squirm> you can type 1 character and hit tab. you might have to tab a few times though
[14:16] <tara-lynn__> Aw...
[14:17] <tara-lynn__> Well, I can live with two speakers for now. My main issue is trying to sort out this freakin' freezing problem.
[14:17] <divansantana> tara-lynn__, is this a PC? Do you not have multiple sound devices in your PC? onboard and pci card?
[14:17] <tara-lynn__> It is a PC.
[14:17] <tara-lynn__> And... urh.
[14:17] <tara-lynn__> One sec.
[14:17] <Vince-0> quick Google search: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeOuseUqe9Y
[14:18] <divansantana> lspci |grep -i audio
[14:18] <divansantana> tara-lynn__, lspci |grep -i audio
[14:18] <tara-lynn__> Well
[14:18] <Kilos> divansantana, she is just starting to learn geek talk
[14:18] <tara-lynn__> I'm not stupid by any means, but yeah. Geek talk is only a sliver of my vocab.
[14:18] <divansantana> Kilos, ok :)
[14:18] <Kilos> so if sudo is needed please give full commands
[14:18] <tara-lynn__> I've got only one sound card. Or... Only one area where I can input speaker plugs.
[14:19] <Vince-0> tara-lynn__, you should read through this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound
[14:19] <tara-lynn__> Yep, I've got that up, thank ya.
[14:19] <Kilos> yes tara-lynn__ but is it an actualy sound card plugged in not the onboard on
[14:19] <Vince-0> apparently pulseaudio is set to 2 channels by default
[14:19] <tara-lynn__> Oh
[14:20] <tara-lynn__> It... looks like it might be. How can I determine that?
[14:20] <Vince-0> jeez you'd think they would have made that a bit easier for desktop users
[14:20] <tara-lynn__> But then again, if it was an extra sound card above the onboard one, wouldn't there be two locations you can put the speaker plugs in?
[14:21] <Kilos> nope
[14:21] <tara-lynn__> Also, just curious - what is this little horizontal, orange bar underneath the chat namelist?
[14:21] <Kilos> the onboard on is part of the motherboard
[14:21] <Kilos> thats the lag thingie
[14:21] <Squirm> .:+lanky:. run everything as root, I say. Reduce the number of user accounts someone can attack
[14:21] <Squirm> .:+lanky:. also, all your permissions problems go away instantly. Never be denied access, ever again!
[14:21] <Kilos> hover over it
[14:21] <tara-lynn__> Oh yep. I see.
[14:21] <tara-lynn__> Lag is 0.3 seconds
[14:22] <tara-lynn__> Anyway, back to the issue. :P This freezing.
[14:22] <Squirm> until you have an SELinux enable box :/
[14:22] <Vince-0> So, check for muted channels first. Then you can edit the daemon.conf file with the correct config
[14:22] <tara-lynn__> Should I watch a Youtube video and try to freeze the comp, or do I have to do other stuff?
[14:22] <tara-lynn__> Oh.
[14:22] <tara-lynn__> I assume all the directions are on that webpage you linked me?
[14:22] <Vince-0> yep, 
[14:22] <tara-lynn__> Okeydoke, thanks much.
[14:22] <Vince-0> but test the video driver first - you might need a different one or there is another problem
[14:23] <Vince-0> KEWL! Im outta here! work is OVAA
[14:23] <tara-lynn__> So, test the driver just by watching Youtube?
[14:23] <Vince-0> that was the problem before? yes - 
[14:23] <tara-lynn__> okay.
[14:23] <tara-lynn__> Thanks. :)
[14:23] <divansantana> I'm out here everyone :) ciao will likely be back tomorrow and from now on :)
[14:23] <Vince-0> PEACE OUT
[14:23] <Squirm> tara-lynn__: make your pc freeze, remember what you were doing that made it freeze, restart and then check the log file(I never used to use this messy thing, but it can be quite helpful)
[14:23] <Kilos> cheer divansantana 
[14:24] <tara-lynn__> Also though
[14:24] <tara-lynn__> It has frozen twice whilst I've been in the Dash
[14:24] <divansantana> Kilos, ciao :)
[14:24] <tara-lynn__> When I've opened dash, and clicked 'back' to erase something I searched for.
[14:24] <Kilos> Squirm,  tell her the command to check syslog please
[14:24] <tara-lynn__> Squirm, okeydoke.
[14:24] <Squirm> cat /etc/var/log/syslog
[14:24] <Kilos> Squirm, she knows nothing about linux so try help as you would a noob
[14:25] <Squirm> lol
[14:25] <Squirm> cat /var/log/syslog
[14:25] <Kilos> ty
[14:25] <Kilos> lol
[14:25] <tara-lynn__> No /etc?
[14:25] <tara-lynn__> I've only been using Linux for about four days.
[14:25] <Squirm> and it's not syslog
[14:25] <Squirm> 1sec
[14:25] <Squirm> messages
[14:25] <tara-lynn__> After several years of using Windows
[14:25] <Squirm> cat /var/log/messages
[14:25] <tara-lynn__> That's to check the log, or?
[14:25] <Squirm> in terminal, type `cat /var/log/messages`
[14:26] <Kilos> but you will need to pastebin the output of that command tara-lynn__ 
[14:26] <Squirm> hmmm, might have to type `sudo cat /var/log/messages`
[14:26] <Kilos> then the guys can go look for errors
[14:26] <tara-lynn__> As soon as I figure out what pastebin means. :P
[14:26] <Kilos> http://slexy.org
[14:26] <Squirm> what he said
[14:27] <Squirm> or PBin: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[14:27] <tara-lynn__> Okay, let me do a log thingy first and then try to make the comp freeze, and do another.
[14:27] <Kilos> you copy the output and paste it at slexy the tick the bottom block and it will give a new link at the top
[14:27] <Kilos> you bring that link here
[14:27] <tara-lynn__> Sweet
[14:28] <Squirm> it will be a lot of text
[14:28] <tara-lynn__> Okay.
[14:28] <tara-lynn__> It's saying invalid for the cat /var et
[14:28] <tara-lynn__> c
[14:28] <tara-lynn__> I typed in " sudo cat /var/log/messages
[14:28] <Squirm> sudo cat /var/log/messages
[14:28] <tara-lynn__> And " cat /var/log/messages
[14:29] <Squirm> try
[14:29] <Kilos> sudo makes you more powerful tara-lynn__ 
[14:29] <Squirm> gksudo /var/log/messages
[14:29] <Kilos> acting like root
[14:29] <Squirm> sorry
[14:29] <Squirm> gksudo gedit /var/log/messages
[14:30] <tara-lynn__> Okay
[14:30] <tara-lynn__> It opened up a white window
[14:30] <tara-lynn__> With messages (/var/log) - gedit at the top
[14:30] <tara-lynn__> And 'messages' and 'untitled document 1' tabs in the main body
[14:30] <tara-lynn__> Both are empty, but Untitled Document is still loading
[14:31] <tara-lynn__> Save is not selectable for Untitled Document, but it is selectable for 'messages'
[14:31] <tara-lynn__> Even though I can't see any text to save.
[14:31] <Squirm> ok
[14:31] <Squirm> try
[14:31] <Squirm> gksudo gedit /var/log/syslog
[14:32] <Squirm> sorry, I was looking on a CentOS machine. there it's messages, Mint is syslog, so I assume Ubuntu would be syslog
[14:32] <Squirm> my bad
[14:32] <Squirm> I have to go now, work is over! but I'll be back a bit later.
[14:32] <tara-lynn__> My sys log is only four lines
[14:32] <tara-lynn__> Maybe because that's all I've done since I restarted.
[14:32] <tara-lynn__> And aww, darn. Alrighty. Thanks for your help.
[14:33] <Squirm> hmm
[14:33] <Squirm> sorry
[14:46] <superfly> Hiya tara-lynn__!
[14:47] <tara-lynn__> Hi superfly! :D
[14:47] <tara-lynn__> But wait, I gotta restart. Just changed sound stuff.
[14:52] <superfly> Wb Vince-0
[14:53] <Vince-0> haai
[14:54] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[14:54] <Kilos> looks like her pc hung again
[14:56] <KilosKid> Tara-Lynn here.
[14:56] <Kilos> lol
[14:56] <KilosKid> Dang, stupid xchat hated my name changing
[14:56] <KilosKid> Anyway, followed that tutorial and I still only have sound in two speakers.
[14:56] <KilosKid> LAME.
[14:57] <Kilos> that will be sorted sometime
[14:57] <Kilos> the main issue is the hanging
[14:58] <KilosKid> Yeah
[14:58] <KilosKid> Let me watch some Youtube.
[14:58] <KilosKid> And hope the video card update did the trick
[14:58] <KilosKid> Though I doubt it
[14:58] <superfly> I'm on my phone, can you give me a quick recap?
[14:58] <KilosKid> Okay, so
[14:58] <KilosKid> *SIGH* lol
[14:58] <KilosKid> Long story.
[14:59] <KilosKid> Essentially, had blue screens for ages, which I attributed to me pulling out two usb flash drives at the same time without unmounting them
[14:59] <KilosKid> (This was back when I had XP)
[14:59] <superfly> Right.
[14:59] <KilosKid> So anyway, blue screens galore over the last several months, including lagging and freezing.
[14:59] <KilosKid> Mainly the blue screens and the lagging, though
[14:59] <Tonberry> that would need one really twisted usb stack
[14:59] <superfly> Indeed.
[14:59] <KilosKid> Lagging was attributed to having silverlight installed
[14:59] <KilosKid> A microsoft update that does... who knows what.
[15:00] <KilosKid> Gave my comp to a friend, who reformatted, left Silverlight out, and voila. No lagging.
[15:00] <Tonberry> replace flash
[15:00] <Tonberry> badly
[15:00] <KilosKid> Tonberry. Did you get that from Final Fantasy?
[15:00] <Tonberry> where else?
[15:00] <superfly> KilosKid: Silverlight is Microsoft's alternative to flash.
[15:00] <KilosKid> WOO. <3
[15:00] <KilosKid> Ah, okay.
[15:00] <KilosKid> So anyhoo
[15:00] <KilosKid> About a week after I got my PC
[15:00] <KilosKid> back*
[15:01] <KilosKid> I got blue screens
[15:01] <KilosKid> They seemed intermittent
[15:01] <KilosKid> Sometimes they'd happen, sometimes they wouldn't
[15:01] <KilosKid> I made a video for my Youtube channel
[15:01] <KilosKid> Recording video on my camera, and the audio on a recording program
[15:01] <KilosKid> When I went into Windows Movie Maker to put them together
[15:01] <KilosKid> It kept freezing every time I dragged the audio into the little area to merge it with the video file
[15:01] <KilosKid> Same thing happened when I did that using a different program (Avid Pro Tools SE)
[15:02] <KilosKid> Keeps freezing.
[15:02] <KilosKid> So
[15:02] <superfly> Buggy drivers?
[15:02] <KilosKid> Wait. My brain jumped off that train of thought in self defence
[15:02] <KilosKid> Right. So anyway. I gave my comp back to my friend and he reformatted again.
[15:02] <KilosKid> This time, I didn't install all my programs that I had installed before
[15:03] <KilosKid> (Photoshop CS2, Cakewalk Home Studio 2002, Avid Pro Tools SE, Firefox, AIM)
[15:03] <KilosKid> And used only windows stuff
[15:03] <KilosKid> Such as Internet Explorer (gag)
[15:03] <KilosKid> Computer still froze.
[15:03] <superfly> my condolences
[15:03] <Tonberry> ever tried running prime95 and or memtest for a few hours/days?
[15:03] <KilosKid> I tried memtest
[15:03] <KilosKid> It didn't find any issues.
[15:03] <KilosKid> So. I learned that the comp was freezing every time I left it alone.
[15:03] <KilosKid> If I booted up and left it for five minutes, it would freeze
[15:03] <KilosKid> When I used it, it was fine.
[15:04] <KilosKid> If I had left it for forty or so minutes AFTEr having used it directly after boot up
[15:04] <KilosKid> It froze
[15:04] <KilosKid> I attributed the freezing to it going into the screensaver
[15:04] <KilosKid> So I disabled the screensaver.
[15:04] <KilosKid> This partially fixed the problem.
[15:04] <KilosKid> I attributed the remaining freezing issue to having my antivirus running
[15:04] <KilosKid> Kaspersky.
[15:04] <KilosKid> I figured this out because it froze two times in a row when I tried to do Kaspersky updates.
[15:05] <KilosKid> It would freeze at the very end of the updates.
[15:05] <KilosKid> So for the last few days of using Windows, I had no screensaver enabled and no antivirus software running
[15:05] <KilosKid> And it seemed okay.
[15:05] <KilosKid> I was still getting blue screens, though.
[15:05] <KilosKid> One was due to my graphics card (it said nvid4...exe or something)
[15:05] <KilosKid> Once was due to my ethernet card "It said rltk.exe or something to that effect)
[15:05] <KilosKid> So I updated both of those, and didn't get those blue screens again
[15:06] <KilosKid> I did still get blue screens that didn't let me know what the issue was.
[15:06] <KilosKid> After going on PC Help Forums, they had me get this program that allowed me to open up the MiniDUMPS of the memory, saved reports from the blue screens
[15:06] <KilosKid> Annnd... yes.
[15:06] <KilosKid> So anyway. Then I, stupidly, installed my Avid Pro Tools SE because I got inspired to compose a song at 3am
[15:07] <KilosKid> Last thing I saw was Pro Tools changing the administrator somethingorother so that "everyone on the computer can use this program"
[15:07] <KilosKid> I rebooted, and got the blue screen from hell
[15:07] <KilosKid> Saying it was "fatal"
[15:07] <KilosKid> And I could not get into windows
[15:07] <KilosKid> THUS!
[15:07] <KilosKid> Leading me to Ubuntu
[15:07] <KilosKid> I ran Ubuntu alongside Windows at first, to test it, and was able to save some of my files that I wanted to grab
[15:07] <KilosKid> from Windows*
[15:08] <KilosKid> Also
[15:08] <KilosKid> Seemed in Windows, my comp was freezing a: with Photoshop CS6 whenever I used it for a few hours and then it would freeze as I clicked "save as"
[15:08] <KilosKid> And it also froze with streaming video
[15:08] <KilosKid> or music
[15:08] <KilosKid> But played music and video fine if it was saved to my hard drive
[15:09] <KilosKid> The rltk.exe bluescreen that I got was actually during a session of Youtube-watching
[15:09] <KilosKid> So I figured that, once I updated my ethernet card drivers, it would solve the issue.
[15:09] <KilosKid> But it didn't
[15:09] <KilosKid> So Photoshop froze my PC, streaming video/music froze my PC.
[15:09] <KilosKid> Kaspersky froze my PC.
[15:09] <KilosKid> Windows Movie Maker froze my PC.
[15:09] <KilosKid> Fast forward back to the current: Youtube/streaming video is STILL freezing my PC
[15:09] <Tonberry> mmm
[15:09] <KilosKid> But at least I haven't had anything related to a blue screen. Heh.
[15:10] <KilosKid> In particular
[15:10] <Tonberry> does glxgears freeze it?
[15:10] <KilosKid> I have no idea what that is
[15:10] <superfly> KilosKid: do you know what graphics card you have?
[15:10] <KilosKid> In particular, whilst watching a song on Youtube
[15:10] <KilosKid> I let it play to the end and then rewound it by clicking the beginning of the progress bar, and that froze the PC
[15:10] <KilosKid> So I restarted, and did the same thing to test, and it froze again.
[15:10] <KilosKid> It's nVidia
[15:11] <KilosKid> Vince helped me update my driver for that using the Dash
[15:11] <KilosKid> I haven't yet tried to watch Youtube since doing that.
[15:11] <Tonberry> the equivalent to a blue screen in linux is a flash capslock key, or nothing at all
[15:11] <KilosKid> Since I'm updating you :D
[15:11] <KilosKid> A flash capslock key?
[15:11] <Tonberry> flashing*
[15:11] <KilosKid> Oh
[15:11] <KilosKid> Also
[15:11] <KilosKid> Kilos helped me reset my BIOS
[15:11] <KilosKid> And I was able to watch a full 55 minute video
[15:11] <KilosKid> And then three songs on Youtube
[15:11] <KilosKid> But then it froze again
[15:12] <superfly> KilosKid: OK, so you have the proprietary or "non-free" drivers installed?
[15:12] <Tonberry> is your graphics card not overheating?
[15:12] <superfly> KilosKid: sorry if you mentioned it before, but is this a desktop or a laptop?
[15:13] <KilosKid> This is a desktop
[15:13] <KilosKid> Um
[15:13] <KilosKid> I got the...
[15:13] <KilosKid> I have no idea.
[15:14] <KilosKid> I just went to the Dash, typed in 'driver' and selected the nVidia binary ('current' driver)
[15:14] <KilosKid> And installed that.
[15:14] <KilosKid> How would my graphics card be overheating?
[15:14] <KilosKid> And why doesn't it freeze when I watch video/listen to music that is saved on my PC/
[15:14] <Tonberry> if its fan failed?
[15:14] <KilosKid> ALSO, Dash froze twice.
[15:14] <KilosKid> The graphics card has its own fan?
[15:14] <KilosKid> *peers inside*
[15:14] <Tonberry> some of them
[15:15] <KilosKid> Oyes.
[15:15] <KilosKid> My fan is fine
[15:15] <KilosKid> It's spinning super fast and I just checked a few hours ago for dust
[15:15] <KilosKid> I couldn't see any.
[15:16] <superfly> OK.
[15:16] <KilosKid> My brain hurts.
[15:17] <superfly> KilosKid: I'm impressed with your proficiency with a system you don't know
[15:17] <Tonberry> are all your capacitors intact?
[15:17] <Vince-0> lol
[15:17] <KilosKid> Thanks, supaflahhh.
[15:18] <superfly> Tonberry: I think you'll need to explain what they look like first
[15:18] <KilosKid> tonberry: I have no idea how to check that.
[15:18] <Vince-0> sounds like a unique case
[15:18] <Tonberry> in other words nothing looks like http://blog.savel.org/2005/07/12/blowing-capacitors-in-mainboard/ or http://www.overclock.net/t/405422/blown-capacitor
[15:18] <KilosKid> Um
[15:18] <KilosKid> There are things that LOOK like those things on the second link
[15:19] <KilosKid> But they're still different.
[15:19] <KilosKid> I don't even know if they're the capacitor
[15:19] <KilosKid> There are heaps of them
[15:19] <KilosKid> Let me check them them all.
[15:19] <Tonberry> none of their tops look blown off?
[15:19] <KilosKid> Not at a glance
[15:19] <Tonberry> or badly bulged?
[15:19] <KilosKid> Lemme take a photo
[15:20] <Kilos> lol
[15:21] <KilosKid> Don't laff at me, old man
[15:21] <Kilos> i laughing at the capacitor remark brat
[15:21] <KilosKid> lol
[15:21] <KilosKid> Oh also
[15:21] <KilosKid> The first time it froze in Ubuntu
[15:21] <KilosKid> I got this crazy screen
[15:22] <KilosKid> Black, with lots of text
[15:22] <KilosKid> I thought it had frozen so I did a hard restart, a split-second after the text loaded a bit more
[15:22] <Tonberry> that sounds like Xorg dying and reverting to a text terminal
[15:22] <KilosKid> I'm resizing that and you can see for sure
[15:22] <Vince-0> check /var/log/syslog for messages at these issues
[15:23] <KilosKid> I did
[15:23] <KilosKid> It gave me only four lines of stuff
[15:23] <KilosKid> Let me do another syslog
[15:23] <KilosKid> glk gedit?
[15:23] <KilosKid> glkguw... something
[15:23] <Kilos> when do you use cat and when tail guys
[15:24] <KilosKid> http://www.shrinkpictures.com/processed/phpNUsMS7AM.jpg This is the screen that popped up with Ubuntu's first freeze
[15:24] <KilosKid> Oh wait.
[15:24] <Kilos> Tonberry, give her the full command please
[15:24] <KilosKid> Bah. I have to upload.
[15:24] <Tonberry> http://localhost/go_away_no_hotlinking_allowed
[15:25] <Kilos> she isnt an IT person
[15:25] <Vince-0> tail -f -n 1000 /var/log/syslog
[15:25] <Tonberry> someone does not like hotlinking
[15:25] <KilosKid> Okay
[15:25] <KilosKid> That brought up a heap of stuff
[15:25] <KilosKid> On the terminal page
[15:25] <KilosKid> Should I select it all?
[15:26] <Tonberry> try http://imgur.com/ for random image uploads
[15:26] <Kilos> paste it KilosKid 
[15:26] <KilosKid> Paste it right here? There's a lot of it...
[15:26] <Tonberry> dont we have a pastebin for that?
[15:26] <Kilos> not here
[15:26] <Kilos> thats spam
[15:26] <KilosKid> Okay, one sec
[15:27] <KilosKid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1355674/ ?
[15:27] <Kilos> thanks for helping her guys. shes learning fast
[15:27] <Vince-0> tail -f lists the last lines of a file, -n is the option for number of lines, 
[15:27] <Kilos> musta inherited that brain somewhere
[15:27] <KilosKid> Must... diagnose... problem.
[15:27] <Vince-0> ha
[15:29] <Tonberry> i would throw out the stiffy drive just in case
[15:29] <KilosKid> What do you mean?
[15:29] <Vince-0> there are many youtube vids on basic GNU/LINUX guides to get started. Search Ubuntu Troubleshooting
[15:30] <Tonberry> looks like you have a stiffy drive attached from that log
[15:30] <KilosKid> I have my -camera- attached
[15:30] <KilosKid> Is that what you mean?
[15:30] <KilosKid> What's a stiffy drive? /headexplosion
[15:30] <Tonberry> floppy/stiffy
[15:30] <Tonberry> old thing
[15:30] <Tonberry> should be burned on sight
[15:31] <KilosKid> Oh
[15:31] <KilosKid> I don't have a floppy, though. That's the weird thing
[15:31] <KilosKid> Or at least, I don't have access to it
[15:31] <KilosKid> It's showing that I've got one?
[15:31] <Tonberry> could just be a bios setting then i guess
[15:32] <KilosKid> I did disable it in the BIOS.
[15:32] <Tonberry> end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[15:32] <KilosKid> Ehem. What does -that- mean?
[15:32] <Tonberry> fd0 is a floppy
[15:32] <Tonberry> well something thinks a floppy drive is attached
[15:33] <Tonberry> if it does anything bad or not I do not know
[15:33] <KilosKid> Hm.
[15:33] <KilosKid> Weirdness.
[15:35] <Kilos> Tonberry, must she run that end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[15:35] <Kilos> with or without sudo?
[15:35] <Tonberry> no
[15:35] <Kilos> ah ty
[15:35] <Tonberry> that is from her logs
[15:35] <superfly> KilosKid: can you show us what "cat /etc/mtab" outputs
[15:35] <Kilos> oh ok
[15:36] <KilosKid> Okay
[15:36] <Tonberry>  just shows that something looks floppy drive like 
[15:36] <KilosKid> Uploading the photos of my comp
[15:36] <KilosKid> With the capacitor things
[15:36] <KilosKid> And that first hideous 'freeze screen' that Ubuntu had
[15:37] <Kilos> hehe
[15:37] <KilosKid> maybe those aren't capacitors... I dunnooooo
[15:37] <KilosKid> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0717.jpg
[15:37] <KilosKid> Another perspective coming.
[15:38] <superfly> Those brown guys are capacitors, and they look fine
[15:38] <KilosKid> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0716.jpg
[15:38] <KilosKid> Brown guys lololol
[15:39] <Tonberry> and i can visually confirm the absence of a floppy drive
[15:39] <KilosKid> Computer's making a slightly weird noise.
[15:39] <KilosKid> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0707.jpg First screen when it first froze
[15:40] <KilosKid> Why is it recognising a floppy drive if there isn't one?
[15:40]  * Tonberry shrugs
[15:40] <Kilos> must be a female desktop pc
[15:41] <KilosKid> I'm wondering if there's supposed to be innuendo there
[15:41] <KilosKid> I'm still trying to wrap my head around your sense of humour
[15:41] <Kilos> sorry
[15:41] <KilosKid> So I think maybe, a good starting point would be to update all drivers
[15:41] <KilosKid> I updated my graphics card
[15:41] <superfly> Yup, that's a crash, nice output, my wife's PC doesn't even show that currently.
[15:41] <KilosKid> Now I need to update my sound card (I guess?), and interwebs one
[15:42] <KilosKid> It crashed.
[15:42] <KilosKid> *cries*
[15:42] <Tonberry> does it have some form of onboard graphics?
[15:42] <superfly> Looks like something was taking too long to respond and so the watchdog killed it.
[15:43] <superfly> Didn't know Linux came with a watchdog...
[15:43]  * Tonberry didn't know x86 came with one
[15:43] <KilosKid> Let me see...
[15:43] <KilosKid> I wish I could remember what caused it.
[15:44] <KilosKid> Or rather, what I was doing when it happened
[15:44] <KilosKid> If I knew what caused it, I could fix it.
[15:45] <Tonberry> at this point I am very tempted to start blaming hardware
[15:45] <Kilos> have you got a spare graphics card love
[15:45] <KilosKid> Well...
[15:45] <KilosKid> There's one in my mom's computer
[15:45] <Kilos> oops KilosKid 
[15:45] <Kilos> try that
[15:45] <KilosKid> But doesn't it have to be compatible with my motherboard?
[15:45] <Kilos> they both P4's
[15:45] <KilosKid> I really don't want to fiddle with it, eeeeh.
[15:46] <KilosKid> I have no idea
[15:46] <Kilos> ya man
[15:46] <KilosKid> Mom's comp is one of those little horizontal hard drive cases
[15:46] <KilosKid> It's a refurbished PC
[15:46] <Kilos> if its wrong it wont fit in the slot
[15:47] <Tonberry> i would not bet on a horizontal pc having a graphics card
[15:47] <Kilos> whew i had those specs somewhere
[15:47] <KilosKid> lol
[15:47] <Tonberry> no screen outputs on your motherboard?
[15:47] <KilosKid> What does that mean?
[15:47] <Kilos> oh ya thats a flat one hey
[15:47] <Tonberry> mmm
[15:47] <KilosKid> Anything to plug the monitor into directly on the motherboard?
[15:47] <Tonberry> looks like one from the photo
[15:47] <Kilos> doesnt stand up
[15:47] <Tonberry> yes
[15:47] <KilosKid> There is, actually
[15:48] <KilosKid> But I'd have to set it up to register it
[15:48] <KilosKid> Because when I first got the comp
[15:48] <KilosKid> I plugged the monitor into the motherboard plug
[15:48] <KilosKid> And it didn't work
[15:48] <KilosKid> It was just black
[15:48] <KilosKid> Let me take a photo lol
[15:48] <KilosKid> Unless you don't think I need to
[15:48] <Tonberry> they usually dont work if there is another graphics card plugged in
[15:48] <KilosKid> So should I remove the nVidia one?
[15:48] <Tonberry> worth a try
[15:48] <KilosKid> Whew
[15:49] <KilosKid> Eish
[15:49] <KilosKid> Okay so
[15:49] <KilosKid> If I remove the nVidia graphics card, the motherboard one should pop into action automatically?
[15:49] <Tonberry> yes
[15:49] <KilosKid> Okay. And if it doesn't?
[15:49] <Tonberry> put the nvidia card back
[15:49] <KilosKid> What if removing it stuffed something up and neither one works?
[15:50] <Tonberry> doom and gloom?
[15:50] <KilosKid> Aw hell
[15:50] <Tonberry> they are fairly difficult to break
[15:50] <Tonberry> short of breaking off components
[15:50] <KilosKid> OKa
[15:50] <KilosKid> y
[15:51] <KilosKid> It doesn't look like it's screwed down into the motherboard
[15:51] <KilosKid> Or there are any...
[15:51] <KilosKid> Hm
[15:51] <Tonberry> should be one on the left
[15:51] <KilosKid> So all I have to do is pull out this little black clip connecting it to the part where the monitor plug goes in?
[15:51] <Tonberry> oh and turn of the pc before removing anything
[15:51] <KilosKid> Of course.
[15:51] <Tonberry> just checking...
[15:52] <KilosKid> Didn't mean to sound snippy
[15:52] <KilosKid> I am NERVOUS. But I shall do this.
[15:52] <KilosKid> Be back in... hopefully not too long.
[15:52] <KilosKid> Don' leave me.
[15:53] <Kilos> get the laapy meantime KilosKid 
[15:53] <Kilos> lappy too
[15:53] <Kilos> then you gotta install xchat
[15:53] <Kilos> hmm
[15:54] <Kilos> no rest for the wicked
[15:54] <KilosKid> If I have a problem with my computer
[15:54] <KilosKid> Then I'll get the laptop
[15:54] <KilosKid> Okay now I'm really going
[15:54] <KilosKid> (whine)
[15:55] <Kilos> thanks Tonberry 
[15:56] <Tonberry> pleasure
[15:59] <bakuman> Oo #gsouthafrica trending on g+
[15:59] <KilosKid> Kuhrap
[15:59] <KilosKid> Well, that wasn't so hard
[15:59] <KilosKid> But now my Unity stuff is gone
[15:59] <KilosKid> The sidebar
[16:00] <KilosKid> I had to use terminal to open xchat
[16:00] <KilosKid> And firefox
[16:00] <Tonberry> mmm
[16:00] <KilosKid> I'm using the motherboard graphics though
[16:00] <Tonberry> possible lack of 3d acceleration
[16:00] <KilosKid> Possibly.
[16:00] <Tonberry> try crashing it
[16:00] <KilosKid> Okay.
[16:00] <KilosKid> Youtuuuube time
[16:00] <KilosKid> Oh wait
[16:00] <KilosKid> First
[16:01] <KilosKid> How do I select xchat again to come back to it off of Firefox?
[16:01] <KilosKid> Since I don't have the taskbar icon to click
[16:01] <Tonberry> mmm
[16:01] <Tonberry> does alt-tab work?
[16:01] <KilosKid> It's that for Windows
[16:01] <KilosKid> It's not working here.
[16:01] <Tonberry> mmm
[16:01] <Tonberry> it should if there is a windows  manager running
[16:02] <Tonberry> most strange
[16:02] <KilosKid> I just got
[16:02] <KilosKid> "The application Compiz has closed unexpectedly"
[16:02] <KilosKid> What is Compiz?
[16:02] <Tonberry> the thing that unity is built on
[16:03] <KilosKid> Interesting
[16:03] <Kilos> try restarting before you youtube
[16:03] <KilosKid> Should I restart?
[16:03] <KilosKid> Why would that make a difference, though?
[16:04] <KilosKid> Just to help the comp get used to this monitor port?
[16:04] <Kilos> the launch panel should be there with graphics acceleration
[16:04] <KilosKid> How do I get to graphics acceleration with terminal?
[16:04] <KilosKid> Or how do I open the launch panel with terminal?
[16:04] <Kilos> it forgot something
[16:04] <Kilos> that compiz thing
[16:04] <KilosKid> Well it offered to "leave closed" or "relaunch"
[16:04] <KilosKid> I clicked relaunch
[16:05] <KilosKid> But haven't got any clock up top, or sound volume control, or internet speed arrows, or the sidebar with the icons.
[16:05] <Kilos> restart
[16:05] <KilosKid> Okay, Compiz crashed again
[16:06] <KilosKid> Both times I tried to drag the terminal from the top-left corner of the screen
[16:06] <KilosKid> restarting
[16:06] <Kilos> you cant work unity without that panel imo
[16:06] <Kilos> why she gotta have probs and mine work
[16:06] <Kilos> grrr
[16:07] <Kilos> oh maybe compiz wants the nvidia card
[16:07] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg 
[16:07] <Tonberry> i would guess the onboard graphics just cant run unity?
[16:07] <SmilyBorg> Hey there
[16:08] <KilosKid> Restart didn't help
[16:08] <KilosKid> I had to click ctrl+alt+del to log out
[16:08] <KilosKid> And the login screen showed the top bar with the time, sound, etc
[16:08] <KilosKid> But not the actual Ubuntu environment once logged in
[16:09] <KilosKid> Ohhh crap
[16:09] <KilosKid> "Sorry, Ubuntu 12.10 has experienced an internal error"
[16:10] <Kilos> i think compiz is missing the nvidia card
[16:10] <Kilos> we try run it again
[16:10] <Kilos> sec
[16:11] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall compiz
[16:11] <Tonberry> doubtful that would help
[16:11] <Kilos> oh wont it reconfigure
[16:12] <Tonberry> mmm
[16:12] <KilosKid> Maybe I should put the graphics card back... heh.
[16:12] <Tonberry> maybe
[16:12] <Kilos> kiddo get moms one
[16:12] <Kilos> outa her pc
[16:12] <KilosKid> How, on Windows XP, do I check what her graphics card is?
[16:12] <KilosKid> So I can see that it even has one before I open it up
[16:12] <KilosKid> Is that msconfig?
[16:12] <Kilos> its plugged into the same slot as yours
[16:13] <Kilos> are they same flat pc's?
[16:13] <KilosKid> I wanted to check first before I opened it up, Kilos.
[16:13] <KilosKid> No
[16:13] <KilosKid> Mine isn't a flat PC
[16:13] <Kilos> ah
[16:13] <KilosKid> It's much newer than mom's
[16:13] <KilosKid> Mom's is a refurbished one
[16:13] <Kilos> but cards are normally same
[16:13] <KilosKid> Okay, what should I do, guys?
[16:13] <KilosKid> Should I watch Youtube anyway, deal with no unity bar?
[16:13] <KilosKid> Just for the purposes of the test?
[16:13] <Kilos> try
[16:14] <Tonberry> give youtube a try to see waht it does
[16:14] <KilosKid> Okay, brb
[16:16] <Kilos> did that crash log show anything related to graphics
[16:17] <Kilos> i dont understand that stuff and pc dont like ubuntu pastebin
[16:19] <Tonberry> nothing i saw
[16:26] <KilosKid> K. Watched Youtube with motherboard graphics card. Played video, skipped ahead to end, skipped ahead to beginning (without pausing), minimized and maximized without pausing, and it froze.
[16:26] <KilosKid> So it's not the graphics card, one would think.
[16:26] <KilosKid> Unless the motherboard graphics is an issue.
[16:26] <Tonberry> sounds like it
[16:27] <Tonberry> or the motherboard itself...
[16:27] <Kilos> yay they not cheap
[16:27] <KilosKid> :(
[16:27] <KilosKid> Is there any way I can test it without having to buy a new one? I don't have money to spare to getting a new one, and then that doesn't even fix the issue.
[16:28] <Kilos> KilosKid, are you sure there is not dust around the cpu fan
[16:28] <Kilos> its not that card KilosKid 
[16:28] <mazal> Oom Kilos !!!! Ek's terug op my pc !!! :-)
[16:28] <KilosKid> There's a tiiiiny bit of dust, but it's not impacting the spinning at all.
[16:28] <Kilos> mooi mazal groed my dogter
[16:28] <Kilos> in engels
[16:28] <mazal> Hi KilosKid
[16:29] <KilosKid> Hello, mazal.
[16:29] <mazal> Glad you are here ;)
[16:29] <Kilos> no KilosKid it stops the heat from the cpu from escaping
[16:29]  * Tonberry shrugs
[16:29] <Tonberry> i have to go home now
[16:29] <KilosKid> How do I take the cpu fan out to clean it?
[16:29] <KilosKid> Thanks for your help, Tonberry.
[16:29] <Tonberry> should be online again later
[16:29] <mazal> Sien dalk later weer oom. Het klomp goete om op datum te kry hier. Wou net gou die goeie nuus kom gee
[16:29] <Kilos> get the pc to the garage ask then for an old car tube valve and blow the whole pc clean
[16:30] <Kilos> only compressedair works
[16:30] <Kilos> ask superfly 
[16:30] <Kilos> ok mazal 
[16:30] <KilosKid> Why compressed air? Because it's focused and powerful?
[16:30] <Kilos> it blows all the dust outa every little whole KilosKid 
[16:31] <Kilos> you will be full of dust betcha
[16:32] <KilosKid> What's an old car tube valve?
[16:32] <Kilos> and vacuum cleaners cause static buildup in pcs
[16:32] <Kilos> the thing where you pump the tire
[16:32] <KilosKid> Oh.
[16:33] <superfly> KilosKid: what I usually do is scrape the dust out with a screwdriver (with the PC  off) and then vacuum up the loose dust.
[16:33] <Kilos> cut that off a scrap tube and put it in the front of the garages pump to blow right where you wanna
[16:33] <KilosKid> Well
[16:33] <KilosKid> I took off all the dust from the fan blades themselves
[16:33] <KilosKid> A while back
[16:33] <KilosKid> And checked to make sure there wasn't any build-up
[16:33] <Kilos> you cant clean properly without air
[16:34] <KilosKid> There's only slight dust on the bottom of the fan (the little part that looks like the underside of a mushroom)
[16:34] <KilosKid> And I wiped my finger across it but none of it budged.
[16:34] <Kilos> i normally open the power supply as well  and you will be surprised how much dust is in there
[16:35] <Kilos> google where in melbourne you can get spanjaard lubricating switch cleaner
[16:35] <Kilos> or servisol but it costs more
[16:35] <KilosKid> Eh...?
[16:35] <KilosKid> That sounds like an unnecessary thing
[16:36] <Kilos> that cleans and protects electronic circuitry
[16:36] <KilosKid> How does it clean it?
[16:36] <Kilos> scratching on moards with screwdriver is dangerous
[16:37] <KilosKid> Supahflahhh, he be questionin' yo' wayz.
[16:37] <Kilos> its got built in detergents specially made for electronics stuff
[16:37] <KilosKid> Yeah but you still have to apply it.
[16:37] <Kilos> no i know
[16:37] <Kilos> its a spray can
[16:37] <Kilos> like doom
[16:37] <KilosKid> lol
[16:37] <Kilos> flyspray
[16:37] <Kilos> works well
[16:38] <KilosKid> There reaaaally doesn't like like there's any problem-causing dust on my hardware
[16:38] <Kilos> if you have a radio that the volume control scratches it fixes that too
[16:38] <KilosKid> look like*
[16:38] <Kilos> was there dust on power supply fan
[16:39] <Kilos> then there plenty on cpu heatsink
[16:39] <KilosKid> The power supply is closed
[16:39] <KilosKid> I can't see its fan
[16:39] <Kilos> if you look in the back you can see dust
[16:39] <Kilos> where it blows out
[16:40] <KilosKid> It's amazing how quickly I grew fond of this little Unity task/sidebar
[16:40] <KilosKid> I missed it when it disappeared.
[16:40] <KilosKid> Should I open up the power supply then, and check for dust?
[16:40] <Kilos> the pc worked for few vids and you did all the other stuff with no hang
[16:40] <KilosKid> Yeah
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <KilosKid> But it also froze twice on the dash
[16:40] <Kilos> so its not inna software im sure
[16:41] <KilosKid> After I had installed some stuffs
[16:41] <KilosKid> WHY NOT? Software is fixable. *sob*
[16:41] <Kilos> what stuff
[16:41] <KilosKid> I dunno. It was plugins for things.
[16:41] <KilosKid> Like Pidgin and whatnot.
[16:41] <KilosKid> Anyhoo, should I open up the power supply and clear out any dust?
[16:41] <Kilos> oh ok
[16:41] <KilosKid> The sound of the CPU fan doesn't change when I watch Youtube videos either.
[16:41] <KilosKid> On mom's comp, the fan gets louder when watching videos
[16:41] <KilosKid> But mine stays the same
[16:42] <Kilos> i think the cpu is getting hot and turning off
[16:42] <KilosKid> If it was turning off, wouldn't the whole computer switch off, or restart?
[16:42] <KilosKid> And would you please answer my other question?
[16:42] <Kilos> no it hangs
[16:42] <Kilos> it doesnt switch off as in dead , just stops doing things
[16:43] <Kilos> which one
[16:43] <KilosKid> Should I open up the freaking power supply and clear out any dust? :P
[16:43] <Kilos> i gotta look where i type dodo
[16:43] <KilosKid> lol
[16:43] <Kilos> that would be good too yes
[16:43] <Kilos> with air
[16:43] <KilosKid> I don't HAVE air.
[16:43] <KilosKid> Fingers will have to do
[16:43] <Kilos> no
[16:43] <KilosKid> Don't no me.
[16:44] <KilosKid> It's better than nothing, right?
[16:44] <Kilos> you cant clean in everywhere the dust goes
[16:44] <KilosKid> Maybe there are huge clumps there that I can pull out
[16:44] <Kilos> ya but even thin amounts on contacts of cards etc cause probs
[16:44] <KilosKid> Oh jeez
[16:44] <KilosKid> Well,
[16:44] <KilosKid> I'm gonna do that anyway
[16:44] <KilosKid> I'll sort out 'thin amounts' when I actually can.
[16:45] <Kilos> huge lumps you can finger off yeah
[16:45] <superfly> I don't scrape on the motherboard, just on the heatsink
[16:45] <superfly> and don't open the power supply unless you really have to
[16:46] <KilosKid> Oh.
[16:46] <KilosKid> Why?
[16:46] <Kilos> its quite a job
[16:46] <KilosKid> Looks like it might just be two screws though?
[16:47] <Kilos> 4 at the back holding it in place then 4 holding top cover on and all your power cords to mb and drives etc
[16:47] <Kilos> big job
[16:47] <KilosKid> I don't have to actually take the whole thing OUT, do I?
[16:48] <KilosKid> I was just gonna open the bottom panel
[16:48] <Kilos> you can blow air inn back by the fan
[16:48] <KilosKid> Oi.
[16:48] <KilosKid> I can't do anything airwise right now short of actually blowing with my breath, Kilos.
[16:48] <KilosKid> I certainly can't blow out big clumps of dust.
[16:48] <Kilos> that moves it around and hopefully out the little holes
[16:48] <KilosKid> Those need to be pulled out.
[16:49] <Kilos> its a big job love
[16:49] <KilosKid> Sigh
[16:49] <KilosKid> I just want to fix my stupid computer.
[16:49] <Kilos> me too
[16:49] <KilosKid> What else can I check in the meantime, people?
[16:49] <KilosKid> People meaning - not just Kilos.
[16:50] <Kilos> lol
[16:50] <Kilos> ok do this
[16:50] <Kilos> in terminal
[16:50] <Kilos> sudo touch /force fsck
[16:50] <KilosKid> It certainly does seem likely that it's CPU-related
[16:51] <KilosKid> Freezes on Youtube, was freezing during running of Kaspersky (which is big)
[16:51] <Kilos> then reboot and it should do a file system check
[16:51] <KilosKid> Freezing during running of recording program (also big)
[16:51] <KilosKid> What's file system?
[16:51] <KilosKid> Isn't that softwareish?
[16:51] <Kilos> all you software stuffs
[16:51] <Kilos> they all files
[16:51] <KilosKid> Haven't wen done that already?
[16:51] <KilosKid> we*
[16:51] <Kilos> nope
[16:52] <Kilos> i think its hardware overheating honestly
[16:52] <KilosKid> Okay, restarting.
[16:52] <Kilos> now i keep quiet
[16:52] <Kilos> the pro suggest cleaning too
[16:54] <Kilos> wb Tonberry 
[16:54] <Tonberry> hallo
[17:52] <magespawn> evening all
[17:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn \
[17:52] <magespawn> hardware probs?
[17:52] <Kilos> tara yes i think its hardware
[17:53] <Kilos> you read all the logs
[17:53] <magespawn> some
[17:53] <Kilos> ah so you know she was here on 12.10 and xchat
[17:53] <Kilos> some big step that
[17:53] <magespawn> cool
[17:54] <Kilos> only stupid pc keeps hanging when active
[17:54] <Kilos> grrr
[17:56] <magespawn> some bios have a hardware monitor that will show the tempreture of the cpu and fan speeds in the case
[17:56] <KilosKid> Okay. Well... I forgot what the PC was supposed to do with that last command I used on terminal?
[17:57] <KilosKid> But I cleaned the CPU and Power Supply fans
[17:57] <KilosKid> Got rid of almost all the dust
[17:57] <KilosKid> With some earbuds
[17:57] <KilosKid> aaaand watching Youtube now and I've been trying to make the comp freeze, but it hasn't yet.
[17:57] <KilosKid> So heeere's hoping.
[17:57] <KilosKid> Computer is also running quieter.
[17:57] <magespawn> sounds like that was it then
[17:58] <Kilos> lol
[17:58] <Kilos> magespawn, meet my brat
[17:59] <Kilos> oh debs brat my daughter
[17:59] <magespawn> hey KilosKid 
[18:00] <KilosKid> Sup, magespawn.
[18:00] <Kilos> shes really been struggling for months now magespawn 
[18:01] <Kilos> blessing in disguise methinks
[18:01] <magespawn> struggling with?
[18:02] <KilosKid> Blessing in disguise? Why? Cuz I'm now on Ubuntu? :P
[18:02] <KilosKid> Blue screens and computer freezes.
[18:02] <Kilos> yip
[18:03]  * Kilos smirks inna corner
[18:03] <KilosKid> lol shup, monkey blood
[18:03] <Kilos> whew
[18:03] <KilosKid> Anyway, I just spent the last little while meticulously cleaning dust off the CPU and power supply fans.
[18:03] <KilosKid> The computer is running more quietly now, aaaand... I'm hoping that just a bit of dust was the only issue.
[18:03] <KilosKid> Otherwise, I'm fresh out of ideas.
[18:04] <KilosKid> And everyone who has HELPED me is fresh out of ideas lol
[18:04] <Kilos> yes love but with air you will see tons more blow outa everywhere
[18:04] <Kilos> you inna high humidity area too
[18:04] <magespawn> can be, pc do not like dust or getting too hot.
[18:05] <Kilos> the big thing is the metal heat sink under the cpu fan
[18:05] <magespawn> high humidty means you do not have to be too concerned about static electricity
[18:05] <KilosKid> Okay. Well, I will get a can of compressed air when I can
[18:05] <Kilos> unless you make it with a vacuum cleaner or something
[18:05] <Kilos> but it also means the dust is more sticky
[18:07] <magespawn> there are special vacuum cleaners for cleaning computers
[18:07] <Kilos> you see KilosKid moistish dust can also cause short circuiting tween connections on mb
[18:08] <KilosKid> Of course.
[18:08] <Kilos> compressed air is best magespawn 
[18:08] <zeref> hmmmmmmm
[18:08] <Kilos> blow it clean
[18:08] <Kilos> lo hmmmmmer
[18:08] <magespawn> compressed air works and so does soft paint brushes
[18:08] <zeref> Kilos and KilosKid 
[18:08] <zeref> ???
[18:08] <KilosKid> We be related.
[18:09] <KilosKid> I be Kilos' kid.
[18:09] <zeref> i see
[18:09] <zeref> :D
[18:09] <KilosKid> I don't typically talk that way.
[18:09] <KilosKid> He actually talks that wa
[18:09] <KilosKid> y
[18:09] <KilosKid> Anyway, sup, zeref. :D
[18:09] <superfly> magespawn: *and so do
[18:10] <KilosKid> Ah, 'allo superfly.
[18:10] <superfly> heya KilosKid
[18:11] <Kilos> nope magespawn 
[18:11] <Kilos> air gets in where no brush can
[18:13] <Kilos> clean a pc with a brush the try compressed air and  see how much comes out
[18:13] <Kilos> then try
[18:14] <magespawn> ahh yes the brush gets rid of sticky stuff
[18:14] <magespawn> ty superfly 
[18:14] <KilosKid> Now I just gotta cough my lungs out thanks to all the dust I dislodged. :D
[18:14] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[18:14] <superfly> :-)
[18:14] <magespawn> who needs built in grammer checkers
[18:14] <magespawn> lol
[18:15] <Cantide> hello '-'
[18:15] <Kilos> well we see how long it goes good KilosKid 
[18:15] <magespawn> hi Cantide
[18:15] <Kilos> so weird typing kil and hitting tab twice
[18:15] <Cantide> hey magespawn :)
[18:16] <magespawn> brb fish two bedtime
[18:16] <Kilos> k
[18:17] <Kilos> grr Cantide 
[18:17] <Kilos> you avoiding me?
[18:17] <Cantide> 'o'
[18:17] <Cantide> no, why?
[18:17] <Kilos> when you leaving
[18:17] <Cantide> Saturday morning
[18:17] <Cantide> tomorrow is my last exam
[18:17] <Kilos> well duh i greeted you as well you know
[18:17] <Cantide> studying right now :)
[18:17] <Cantide> Kilos, I greeted you back -> <Cantide> hello '-'
[18:18] <Kilos> hello not good enough, it dont bloep here
[18:18] <Kilos> hehe
[18:18] <Cantide> Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos Kilos  hi '-'
[18:18] <Cantide> better? :D
[18:18] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:19]  * Kilos slaps Cantide 
[18:19] <Kilos> cheeky kids
[18:19] <KilosKid> I like this Cantide person
[18:19] <KilosKid> >=D
[18:19] <Cantide> :D
[18:20] <Kilos> hehe whew now ganging up on me too
[18:20] <Kilos> hes in durbs KilosKid 
[18:21] <Kilos> going to korea in few days for hols
[18:21] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[18:21] <Cantide> KilosKid, nice to meet you :)
[18:22] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:22] <psydroid> hoi Cantide
[18:22] <psydroid> hi KilosKid
[18:22] <Cantide> psydroid '<
[18:22] <Kilos> shes like you guys, multitasks then forgets which task was which
[18:23] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[18:24] <Kilos> lurker
[18:26] <zeref> first day of work tomoz
[18:26] <Kilos> yay get ready for a lifetime of it
[18:26] <zeref> indeed
[18:26] <Kilos> the secret is to enjoy your work
[18:26] <inetpro> good evening Kilos
[18:27] <Kilos> then going to work isnt a hassle
[18:27] <Kilos> hows inetpro and family
[18:27] <inetpro> Kilos: you talk to much
[18:27] <Cantide> and enjoyment is often a choice :)
[18:27]  * inetpro trying to catch up 
[18:27] <Cantide> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> hahaha not me
[18:27] <inetpro> I see even tara was/is here?
[18:27] <Kilos> the spammer
[18:27] <Kilos> ya is here
[18:27] <inetpro> wow
[18:28] <inetpro> hi KilosKid
[18:28] <inetpro> welcome to #ubuntu-za
[18:30]  * inetpro reading the backlogs
[18:30] <Kilos> lots
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: to much
[18:31] <Kilos> yip
[18:31] <KilosKid> Hi, inetpro. :)
[18:31] <inetpro> KilosKid: what's the time there now?
[18:31] <KilosKid> 5:30am
[18:32] <KilosKid> Another sleepless night thanks to my kak PC
[18:32] <Kilos> very serious to get pc fixed
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <inetpro> hmm
[18:32] <KilosKid> Oh wait
[18:32] <KilosKid> I need help, guys?
[18:32] <KilosKid> Trying to get surround sound to work
[18:32] <KilosKid> It worked on Windows, but only front-left and front-right speakers are working for Ubuntu
[18:32] <KilosKid> And subwoofer.
[18:33] <KilosKid> But center speaker and rear right/left don't.
[18:33] <inetpro> sjoe
[18:33] <KilosKid> I followed these directions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SurroundSound
[18:33] <KilosKid> But they didn't really seem to make a difference
[18:33] <Kilos> must be some surround sound software we got
[18:33] <inetpro> KilosKid: if you are as persistent as Kilos I have lots of hope for you :-)
[18:34] <KilosKid> I'm very, very, very, very persistent
[18:34] <KilosKid> But not as annoyingly as Kilos.
[18:34] <inetpro> :-)
[18:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:35] <superfly> KilosKid: can you pastebin your /etc/pulse/daemon.conf file please?
[18:35] <inetpro> KilosKid: you go girl! I like your attitude
[18:35] <KilosKid> Is that sudo gedit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf ?
[18:35] <Kilos> KilosKid, use http://slexy.org
[18:36] <KilosKid> What am I using that for?
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh you gotta explain nicely superfly 
[18:36] <Kilos> so annoying
[18:36] <superfly> KilosKid: you can use that entire line and then copy and paste the contents of the file to pastebin
[18:36]  * Kilos ducks
[18:36] <KilosKid> Yeah.
[18:37] <KilosKid> I was using pastebin
[18:37] <KilosKid> I don't need another pastey site, KILOS.
[18:37] <Kilos> pastebin sucks for me
[18:37] <inetpro> lol
[18:37] <Kilos> takes forever to open
[18:37] <Kilos> lo WOLFEYES 
[18:37] <KilosKid> /etc/pulse/daemon.conf <-- Won't open anything on terminal
[18:37] <KilosKid> Request full command line please?
[18:38] <Kilos> betcha im the only one with 2 of his brats here
[18:38] <Cantide> KilosKid, where are you that it's 05:30 am?! 'o'
[18:38] <superfly> KilosKid: actually, apparently you don't need to edit that file any more
[18:38] <WOLFEYES> Heya everyone and Kilos , KilosKid 
[18:38] <KilosKid> Australia.
[18:38] <Cantide> oh :p
[18:38] <Cantide> you're from the future then
[18:38] <superfly> oh dear, we have an invasion of the Kilos family
[18:38] <KilosKid> Yesss
[18:38] <KilosKid> lol
[18:38] <WOLFEYES> lol betcha you are
[18:38] <inetpro> sjoe! Kilos' kids taking over here?
[18:38] <KilosKid> Hiya Wolfy.
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <magespawn> the rest of ours are a bit young
[18:38] <WOLFEYES> ;-) heya Kid
[18:39] <KilosKid> Okay, so...
[18:39] <Kilos> yous lucky i stopped breeding at 26 or so
[18:39] <KilosKid> What should I do about my speakerz?
[18:39] <WOLFEYES> lol
[18:39] <Cantide> mine are still in the negatives
[18:39] <Kilos> have you pasted that file for superfly KilosKid 
[18:40] <KilosKid> Superfly said that I don't need to edit a file anymore
[18:40] <Kilos> he looks and finds things
[18:40] <KilosKid> But also /etc/pulse/daemon.conf didn't even work
[18:40] <WOLFEYES> Just curious because I don't know what has been tried, but when I went from win to kde I just had to change ports on the one computer.
[18:40] <superfly> According to one of the blog posts referenced on that page, "Update 05/11/09: Attention everyone. This guide is now OUTDATED and no longer necessary. Configuring surround sound is now ridiculously easy in Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - just go into the hardware tab in sound preferences, click the device to configure, then select a surround sound profile from the drop down box. There is NO NEED to use this guide at all any more!"
[18:40] <KilosKid> Ah-HA!
[18:40] <KilosKid> I added 'sudo gedit' and it worked.
[18:41] <KilosKid> Oh if only, Superfly. If that worked, I would not be asking you guys for help.
[18:41] <WOLFEYES> That was as usual superfly 's advice lol.
[18:41] <inetpro> KilosKid: I'm not a audio/video expert but I'm sure we can try to help find a solution... 
[18:41] <magespawn> daemon.conf is a file
[18:41] <KilosKid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1356114/
[18:44] <superfly> KilosKid: and that doesn't work, you said.
[18:44] <KilosKid> Nope
[18:44] <KilosKid> And I just did speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -l1 -twav
[18:44] <KilosKid> And only heard front left and front right.
[18:44] <KilosKid> Bah
[18:45] <KilosKid> http://alsa.opensrc.org/SurroundSound#Custom_Routing_of_Signals_to_Surround_Outputs Can someone dumb this down for me, please?
[18:46] <superfly> KilosKid: are you sure everything is plugged in correctly?
[18:46] <KilosKid> Absolutely.
[18:46] <magespawn> just about to ask that
[18:46] <KilosKid> I haven't touched the plugs since I removed Windows and installed Ubuntu
[18:46] <KilosKid> I haven't even touched them since before that. lol
[18:46] <KilosKid> Okay wait
[18:46] <KilosKid> Back in Windows
[18:46] <KilosKid> When I got it reformatted
[18:46] <KilosKid> I needed to download soundblaster or something and that seemed to allow all speakers to work
[18:47] <KilosKid> But I don't know how to get soundblaster for Ubuntu
[18:47] <WOLFEYES> Superfly remember we had that problem with mine too, I just changed the wires into the other ports and it worked.
[18:47] <Kilos> ah sound card drivers
[18:47] <KilosKid> Drivers.
[18:47] <KilosKid> I love cars and I love to drive, but omg I'm sick of drivers.
[18:47] <WOLFEYES> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> sb sound card?
[18:48] <KilosKid> That was a lame sort-of joke. Feel free to booo me off the stage.
[18:48] <KilosKid> Well, how do I update my soundcard driver?
[18:48] <Kilos> what soundcard first we need to know
[18:48] <Kilos> wasnt it in lspci
[18:49] <Kilos> you will most likely need to install something not update it
[18:50] <KilosKid> me cries
[18:50] <Kilos> sb awe or audigy
[18:50] <KilosKid> Computer froze.
[18:51] <Kilos> aw
[18:51] <Kilos> without youtube
[18:51] <KilosKid> I had a youtube video paused, and went to Dash, and typed in driver and it froze
[18:51] <KilosKid> I got to 'dri' before it froze
[18:51] <KilosKid> *hulkrage*
[18:51] <Kilos> no man
[18:51] <Kilos> look for software to install in synaptic
[18:52] <KilosKid> I looked for the soundblaster software in synaptic, Kilos.
[18:52] <KilosKid> Don't no me.
[18:52] <Kilos> and use dash to open stuff you have installed
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:52] <KilosKid> I installed my graphics card driver from dash 
[18:52] <KilosKid> So there.
[18:52] <Kilos> thats different
[18:52] <Kilos> nvidia fulla
[18:53] <Kilos> type lspci in terminal
[18:53] <Kilos> is there nothing about sb in there
[18:54] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel
[18:54] <KilosKid> Okay
[18:54] <Kilos> parmantig die kind
[18:54] <KilosKid> I want to update my ethernet card
[18:54] <KilosKid> Help me someone please.
[18:54] <superfly> KilosKid: I doubt you need an updated sound card driver
[18:54] <Kilos> sigh and what about the sound now
[18:55] <KilosKid> I don't care about the sound
[18:55] <superfly> you'll already have the latest one
[18:55] <KilosKid> I just want to stupid crappy computer to stop freezing
[18:55] <KilosKid> the*
[18:56] <superfly> KilosKid: I want you to try this (it may sound stupid, but it might help to pinpoint the problem somewhat)
[18:56] <Kilos> well if it got better with finger cleaning compressed air with sort it good
[18:56] <smile4ever> hi Kilos & superfly :D
[18:56] <superfly> KilosKid: reboot your computer, but don't log in. then go to bed for a few hours. when you wake up, see if the computer has frozen at all
[18:56] <WOLFEYES> heya smile4ever 
[18:56] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[18:57] <WOLFEYES> ha ha ha
[18:57] <KilosKid> Okay, superfly... but what will that do?
[18:57] <smile4ever> hi WOLFEYES :)
[18:57] <WOLFEYES> hugs KilosKid 
[18:57] <superfly> KilosKid: the network drivers are only properly initialised when you log in - I want to determine if it is a problem with your network card or not
[18:57] <Kilos> hes working on something KilosKid 
[18:58] <KilosKid> That's why I wanted to update the network card
[18:58] <superfly> KilosKid: YouTube pulls a lot of data, so it might be some sort of bug in the driver
[18:58] <KilosKid> Since i got a blue screen in windows saying that it was caused b y the network card
[18:58] <KilosKid> And then I updated it, and didn't get that particular blue screen again
[18:58] <superfly> KilosKid: unfortunately you probably already have the latest version
[18:58] <KilosKid> WHYYYYY
[18:58] <KilosKid> How do I check that?
[18:58] <Kilos> latest ubuntu latest drivers
[18:59] <superfly> KilosKid: before you do this, however, can you pastebin the output of "lspci" from the terminal?
[18:59] <KilosKid> Okay
[18:59] <superfly> that'll tell me what network card you have
[19:00] <KilosKid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1356150/
[19:00] <smile4ever> WOLFEYES: what are you doing? :)
[19:00] <WOLFEYES> playing superbike 
[19:00] <Kerbero> ahh
[19:01] <superfly> KilosKid: nice graphics card!
[19:01] <Kilos> lo Kerbero 
[19:01] <KilosKid> Is that sarcasm?
[19:01] <Kerbero> some realtek's have driver issues
[19:01] <Kerbero> that vga card is actually nice
[19:02] <KilosKid> Ah, okay then.
[19:02] <Kerbero> mine is a 8500
[19:02] <KilosKid> Because another xchat person said that nvidia has issues.
[19:02] <KilosKid> I know it's not the card, though. I took it out and tried with the motherboard card and the comp still froze.
[19:02] <Kerbero> i would suggest getting the drivers for that network card from the manufacturer's website
[19:02] <magespawn> ram? memtest?
[19:02] <KilosKid> I've done a memtest.
[19:02] <KilosKid> I did it with Windows.
[19:03] <Kerbero> Tonberry had an issue like that before iirc
[19:03] <KilosKid> I also took one RAM stick out and used only one. Comp still froze. I took that ramstick out and put back the other one, comp still froze.
[19:03] <KilosKid> I'd like to get the drivers, but I don't know where to go to select linux and what-not
[19:04] <KilosKid> *slumps
[19:04]  * inetpro o/
[19:04] <Kilos> ask nicely for a link and some nice guy will get it for you kiddo
[19:04] <inetpro> skimmed over all the stuff I missed
[19:05] <KilosKid> Wouldn't you miss it if you skimmed?
[19:05] <inetpro> and wow, Kilos she is very persistent, and fast
[19:05] <Kilos> lol yqa
[19:05] <Kilos> ya ook
[19:05] <KilosKid> I need my PC to work.
[19:05] <KilosKid> Heck yes I'm persistent.
[19:05] <inetpro> eh
[19:05] <KilosKid> It SHOULDN'T be freezing.
[19:05] <Kilos> worse than me and dont like waiting
[19:05] <KilosKid> Piece of kak.
[19:05] <KilosKid> Oi
[19:05] <Kilos> not patient like me
[19:05] <KilosKid> I'm not impatient.
[19:05] <inetpro> ai
[19:05] <KilosKid> I'm not paying attention to that one.
[19:05] <Kilos> hehe
[19:06] <inetpro> I always like to try to measure what I manage
[19:06] <Kilos> doesnt lspci name the sound card
[19:06] <inetpro> somehow you should be able to measure the temperature of the cpu
[19:06] <KilosKid> I wanna do that, yes.
[19:07] <Kilos> ya inetpro 
[19:07] <magespawn> in the bios
[19:07] <inetpro> KDE has some very nice widgets for that
[19:07] <Kilos> whew kde is going too far right now
[19:07] <inetpro> showing you a nice graphical output over time
[19:07] <WOLFEYES> lol
[19:07] <Kilos> unity not even imbedded yet
[19:07] <WOLFEYES> kde is nice
[19:08] <KilosKid> CPU temp is in the BIOS?
[19:08] <inetpro> fact is, you first need to know whether the temp is logged
[19:08] <KilosKid> I don't remember seeing it...
[19:08] <KilosKid> Even my BIOS sucks. Sheesh.
[19:08] <inetpro> hang on... I try find something
[19:08] <inetpro> forget about the BIOS
[19:08] <magespawn> on some yes fan speeds too
[19:08] <KilosKid> Okeydoke.
[19:09] <Kilos> im sure i saw thermal monitor somewhere
[19:10] <inetpro> one simple hit or miss: cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature
[19:10] <KilosKid> No such file or directory
[19:10] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:11] <Kilos> sudo it
[19:11] <inetpro> then we just need to find out where yours is logged
[19:11] <inetpro> Kilos: it won't help
[19:11] <Kilos> ah
[19:11] <KilosKid> I 'sudo gedit' it and it took me to a text thingy
[19:11] <KilosKid> But it was blank
[19:11] <Kilos> just member to tell her when to use sudo inetpro 
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: no problemo... that answer said it all
[19:12] <Kilos> lol
[19:12] <Kilos> shes only a few days into linux
[19:12] <inetpro> KilosKid: ls -l /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/
[19:13] <KilosKid> I'm frickin' cold
[19:13] <KilosKid> I wish my comp was.
[19:13] <KilosKid> Nope.
[19:15] <inetpro> KilosKid: cat /sys/bus/acpi/devices/LNXTHERM\:00/thermal_zone/temp
[19:15] <KilosKid> Whew, nope.
[19:15] <KilosKid> Crazy.
[19:16] <inetpro> ai
[19:17] <inetpro> I also didn't get anything from the first command but the last one I got a reading of 42800
[19:17] <KilosKid> That sounds like the temp of a computer on the sun
[19:17] <inetpro> apparently is given in mºC 
[19:17] <inetpro> whatever that means
[19:17] <KilosKid> Whatever that means
[19:17] <KilosKid> lol
[19:18] <Kerbero> milli
[19:18] <inetpro> anyway that doesn't help us much
[19:18] <Kerbero> it does
[19:18] <inetpro> we need yours
[19:18] <Kerbero> lol
[19:18] <KilosKid> We just wanna make the worrrrld dance, forgetabouda priiiiiiiiiiice tag
[19:19] <inetpro> now where else to seek for the temp values?
[19:19]  * inetpro googling
[19:20] <magespawn> http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-hardware-sensors-indicators-in.html
[19:20] <magespawn> thats for 12.10
[19:22] <Kilos> magespawn, help me too
[19:22] <magespawn> with?
[19:22] <Kilos> i wanna know how to install mbr to /sdb
[19:23] <Kilos> with maverick on .sda
[19:23] <Kilos> grrr
[19:23] <magespawn> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/07/monitor-hardware-temperature-in-ubuntu.html 
[19:23] <magespawn> you mbr on one disk with os on another?
[19:23] <Kilos>   /sda1
[19:24] <magespawn> why?
[19:24] <Kilos> no sdb be scrao that needs an mbr before i can get anything going on it
[19:24] <Kilos> scrap
[19:25] <KilosKid> Ugh I hate Windows
[19:25] <KilosKid> I can't believe how unfriendly to users it really was.
[19:25] <Kilos> tried all the other tools i got to fix mbr but no luck so far
[19:25] <Kilos> lol
[19:25] <KilosKid> Granted, if I didn't have all of you to help me with commands, I'd be screwed with Ubuntu.
[19:25] <magespawn> is there anything on the disk now?
[19:26] <Kilos> i just gparted it all to fat32
[19:26] <Kilos> was windows before
[19:26] <Kilos> tried the fixmbr and fixboot
[19:26] <Kilos> its 80g cant afford to trash something like that
[19:27] <magespawn> are you only going to use it with linux?
[19:27] <Kilos> got 14 drives here that all have mbr probs
[19:27] <Kilos> im fixing for ian
[19:28] <KilosKid> Okay so
[19:28] <KilosKid> It says that I have no sensors enabled but they are detected
[19:28] <Kilos> linux is good if i can just get it bootable
[19:28] <KilosKid> And to go to preferences to enable them
[19:28] <KilosKid> What preferences where
[19:28] <KilosKid> ?
[19:28] <Kilos> oh look in edit KilosKid 
[19:28] <Kilos> edit prefs
[19:29] <KilosKid> The prefs in the sensor program?
[19:29] <smile4ever> byeee :D
[19:29] <KilosKid> Cuz I can't even open the sensor program
[19:29] <KilosKid> Bye smiles. :)
[19:29] <Kilos> is there one there
[19:29] <Kilos> night smile4ever 
[19:29] <KilosKid> I just downloaded it
[19:30] <KilosKid> http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-hardware-sensors-indicators-in.html This one
[19:30] <smile4ever> thanks Kilos& KilosKid :p
[19:30] <inetpro> KilosKid: so you ran sensors-detect?
[19:30] <KilosKid> No
[19:30] <KilosKid> I can't
[19:30] <KilosKid> Because every time I try to open it, it tells me to enable the sensors by going into Preferences
[19:30] <KilosKid> Should I restart?
[19:30] <KilosKid> The tutorial didn't mention restarting, but yeah.
[19:30] <Kilos> no
[19:30] <KilosKid> *pulls hair out*
[19:31] <inetpro> sudo sensors-detect
[19:31] <inetpro> And answer "yes" to everything.
[19:31] <Kilos> hehe
[19:31] <magespawn> kilos the mbr is just the disks record of how the patitions are setup
[19:31] <Kilos> ya but no mbr no drive at all
[19:31] <inetpro> then "You can now either restart the computer..."
[19:31] <Kilos> thats where bios finds it
[19:32] <Kilos> and grub installs some stuff there to /boot
[19:32] <KilosKid> "Monitoring programs won't work until the needed modules are loaded. You may want to run 'service module-init-tools start' to load them.
[19:32] <inetpro> oops KilosKid, I'm looking at that link from magespawn
[19:33] <inetpro> KilosKid: sudo service module-init-tools start
[19:33] <magespawn> Kilos: http://gr8idea.info/os/tutorials/linux/mbr.html
[19:33] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[19:33] <KilosKid> It just said "module-init-tools stop/waiting
[19:34] <inetpro> hmm... not sure what that means
[19:34] <inetpro> now before installing psensor or anything else
[19:34] <inetpro> go look whether maybe those temp files above exist now
[19:35] <inetpro> temperature files
[19:35] <inetpro> cat /sys/bus/acpi/devices/LNXTHERM\:00/thermal_zone/temp
[19:35] <WOLFEYES> ty magespawn very interesting reading, I needed that on saturday lol
[19:35] <inetpro> KilosKid: ls -l /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/
[19:35] <magespawn> np WOLFEYES 
 lol
 milli
 anyway that doesn't help us much
 it does
 we need yours
 lol
 We just wanna make the worrrrld dance, forgetabouda priiiiiiiiiiice tag
 now where else to seek for the temp values?
[19:36] <KilosKid> * inetpro googling
 http://www.noobslab.com/2012/06/install-hardware-sensors-indicators-in.html
 thats for 12.10
 magespawn, help me too
 with?
[19:36] <KilosKid> Eh?
[19:36] <KilosKid> I didn't even select that.
[19:36] <KilosKid> tara-lynn@taralynn-System-Product-Name:~$ cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature
[19:36] <inetpro> yikes
[19:36] <KilosKid> cat: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature: No such file or directory
[19:36] <KilosKid> tara-lynn@taralynn-System-Product-Name:~$ cat /sys/bus/acpi/devices/LNXTHERM\:00/thermal_zone/temp
[19:36] <KilosKid> cat: /sys/bus/acpi/devices/LNXTHERM:00/thermal_zone/temp: No such file or directory
[19:36] <KilosKid> There we go.
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:37] <inetpro> ok... anyway, good to know that
[19:37] <KilosKid> wait wait wait
[19:37] <KilosKid> Now the bar at the top is showing sensors
[19:37] <KilosKid> And I can select preferences
[19:37] <KilosKid> Wait one
[19:37] <Kilos> yay
[19:38] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[19:38] <inetpro> KilosKid: dankie vir wat? 
[19:38] <inetpro> nie te vroeg bly word nie
[19:38] <Kilos> hehe
[19:39] <Kilos> dat jy haar help man
[19:39] <inetpro> ah
[19:39] <KilosKid> But
[19:39] <KilosKid> I selected my graphics card for the first (of three) one, and it still says No Active SEnsors there
[19:39] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:39] <KilosKid> It doesn't allow me to select 'okay' or 'apply'. Just 'close'.
[19:39] <KilosKid> Wait
[19:39] <KilosKid> Figured it out
[19:40] <KilosKid> nvm
[19:40] <KilosKid> CPU temp is 31c
[19:40] <Kilos> we want to see sensors on cpu mainly
[19:40] <Kilos> that cool
[19:40] <inetpro> beautiful
[19:40] <magespawn> very
[19:40] <inetpro> now
[19:40] <KilosKid> I'll see how hot it gets when I use Youtube
[19:40] <Kilos> watch what it does whn it freezes
[19:40] <Kilos> ya
[19:40] <KilosKid> <3
[19:40] <KilosKid> I love you all.
[19:40] <inetpro> now you need to monitor that temperature as you use your pc
[19:40] <Kilos> now you can see all the time while playing
[19:41] <Kilos> also somewhere there is a plce to set the cpu cutoff temp up a bit
[19:41] <inetpro> 31c is fairly low
[19:41] <Kilos> ya thats great
[19:42] <magespawn> have all the usual suspects been checked?
[19:42] <Kilos> mines 40 something
[19:42] <KilosKid> rofl
[19:42] <KilosKid> It went up 1 degree
[19:42] <Kilos> keep watching and see when pc freezes KilosKid 
[19:42] <KilosKid> Youtube's still playing
[19:42] <KilosKid> The video is HD
[19:42] <KilosKid> Okay
[19:42] <KilosKid> Oop
[19:42] <KilosKid> It's on 33
[19:42] <KilosKid> OH NOES
[19:42] <KilosKid> Maybe it just keeps getting hotter
[19:42] <KilosKid> The bastard.
[19:42] <inetpro> on my PC I was okay with anything below 70c
[19:43] <Kilos> keep watching and run some more stuff
[19:43] <KilosKid> I'm running Youtube video at HD 720, and playing  RhythmBox music player
[19:43] <KilosKid> 34!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[19:43] <KilosKid> 34 degrees!!!!
[19:43] <KilosKid> It keeps going up
[19:43] <KilosKid> *gathp*
[19:44] <Kilos> it can take lots more
[19:44] <magespawn> bios cut off temp might be set very low
[19:44] <inetpro> magespawn: good point
[19:44] <KilosKid> Yeah.
[19:44] <KilosKid> That's possible.
[19:44] <KilosKid> Magespawn
[19:44] <KilosKid> I want to smooch you quite hard if that is the case.
[19:44] <Kilos> ya
[19:44] <Kilos> well spotted magespawn 
[19:44] <KilosKid> *whimpers with potential excitement*
[19:45] <KilosKid> It's steady at 34 for now
[19:46] <magespawn> lets see first
[19:46] <inetpro> KilosKid: when you type something like "*whimpers with potential excitement*" just put /me in front
[19:46] <KilosKid> Fan is 1885 RPM
[19:46] <KilosKid> Okay.
[19:47] <KilosKid> Gathp
[19:47] <KilosKid> 35
[19:47] <KilosKid> I opened the sound panel
[19:47] <magespawn> so the system is not working hard yet then
[19:47] <inetpro> the /me is an action message
[19:47] <KilosKid> Except
[19:47] <KilosKid> The sound panel won't load
[19:47] <Kilos> thats afast pc with 4gB ram and 5gB swap
[19:47] <KilosKid> It pops up, but stays white
[19:47] <inetpro> KilosKid: except?
[19:47] <KilosKid> 5gB swap? What's that mean?
[19:47] <Kilos> then wait
[19:48] <Kilos> its straining some
[19:48] <KilosKid> It usually loads immediately
[19:48] <Kilos> will open soonish
[19:48] <KilosKid> Why is it straining. *smacks PC*
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:48] <inetpro> ai
[19:48] <KilosKid> Ooh
[19:48] <KilosKid> MB temperature is 39
[19:48] <KilosKid> CPU is still 35
[19:48] <Kilos>  streaming uses lotsa power
[19:48] <magespawn> did the install go fine? checksum the iso?
[19:49] <inetpro> KilosKid: you need to reboot anyway just to make sure your sensors survive a reboot
[19:49] <KilosKid> I opened up the sensor thingy
[19:49] <KilosKid> It went up to 36c
[19:49] <KilosKid> Why wouldn't they survive a reboot?
[19:49] <KilosKid> omg
[19:49] <KilosKid> Sensor alarm
[19:49] <KilosKid> My graphics card is at 48
[19:49] <Kilos> there we go
[19:49] <magespawn> is the hard drive very busy or quiet?
[19:49] <KilosKid> But I took my graphics card out and the comp still froze
[19:50] <inetpro> KilosKid: sometimes these settings are not saved properly
[19:50] <KilosKid> CPU is 37c
[19:50] <KilosKid> Graphics card went up to 49
[19:50] <KilosKid> HMM
[19:50] <KilosKid> Why would the comp still freeze when I took the graphics card out?
[19:50] <KilosKid> CPU is at 38
[19:50] <magespawn> does it show fan speed settings on the graphics card?
[19:50] <Kilos> might be in the bios its set to stop at 40 or something
[19:51] <KilosKid> Um...
[19:51] <KilosKid> CHASIS fan speed and POWER fan speed are showing 0 RPM
[19:51] <KilosKid> But... the power fan is clearly moving.
[19:51] <Kilos> there is no sensor there
[19:51] <KilosKid> MB heat os 40c
[19:51] <magespawn> bios usually only controls mb fans
[19:51] <KilosKid> is*
[19:51] <inetpro> maybe it just didn't pick up the correct sensor for that
[19:52] <WOLFEYES> night all ... good luck with that KilosKid  ;-)
[19:52] <KilosKid> Okay
[19:52] <Kilos> night WOLFEYES 
[19:52] <KilosKid> Well
[19:52] <KilosKid> Wait wait
[19:52] <KilosKid> So the temp of the graphics card is 49c, then went to 48c
[19:52] <KilosKid> But this something else
[19:52] <KilosKid> GeForce 9500 GT is at 100%
[19:52] <inetpro> or maybe there is no sensor
[19:53] <KilosKid> CPU fan speed went up to 2033RPM
[19:53] <KilosKid> Temp is down to 36c
[19:53] <KilosKid> Poor computer. What's wrong with it?
[19:53] <KilosKid> CPU went down to 35
[19:54] <inetpro> KilosKid: but it hasn't hung up on you has it?
[19:54] <KilosKid> Not yet
[19:55] <KilosKid> What are these volt/voltage things?
[19:55] <magespawn> maybe it just wanted the attention
[19:55] <inetpro> lol
[19:56] <inetpro> KilosKid: I would just keep an eye on those sensors as you try to go about your daily routine
[19:56] <magespawn> the electricity usage of that part cpu/fan etc
[19:56] <KilosKid> Ohnoes
[19:56] <KilosKid> my Sensor program encountered an errorz
[19:56] <inetpro> over time you should figure a pattern
[19:56] <KilosKid> Whilst I was selecting other things to show me
[19:56] <KilosKid> Namely, my two cores
[19:57] <inetpro> errorz?
[19:57] <KilosKid> My cores are at 37c
[19:57] <KilosKid> I'm just being silly.
[19:57] <KilosKid> Still getting that sensor alert for my graphics card.
[19:58] <inetpro> KilosKid: try running your PC with open chassis and see whether that makes a difference
[19:58] <Kilos> let a room fan blow into side of pc and watch sensors with extra air
[19:59] <superfly> KilosKid: normal operating temperature for CPUs is between 35 and 40 degrees
[19:59] <Kilos> ah
[20:02] <inetpro> she hanging now?
[20:02] <Kilos> ?
[20:02] <Kilos> very quiet hey
[20:02] <Kilos> she has amibios maybe the temp stting is too low there
[20:03] <Kilos> i dunno amibios
[20:03] <Kilos> award easier to config
[20:04] <Squirm> hi
[20:04] <Kilos> h Squirm 
[20:04] <inetpro> Squirm: wb
[20:04] <Kilos> h too
[20:04] <Kilos> hiiiiii
[20:04] <Kilos> whew
[20:04] <inetpro> lol
[20:05] <Kilos> sticky i
[20:05] <Kilos> ya all gone
[20:05] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, she's gone
[20:05] <inetpro> wb KilosKid
[20:05] <inetpro> what happened?
[20:05] <KilosKid> Damn
[20:05] <KilosKid> It froze
[20:05] <Kilos> wb kiddo
[20:05] <inetpro> ai
[20:05] <KilosKid> But I was in full screen to try MAKE it freeze, since it wasn't
[20:05] <Kilos> what did the temps show
[20:05] <KilosKid> So I didn't see any sensor stuff up top
[20:05] <Kilos> aw
[20:06] <KilosKid> When I came back, Graphics Card is still 49
[20:06] <KilosKid> CPU was 35
[20:06] <KilosKid> Now it's 35
[20:06] <inetpro> somthing telling me it has something to do with the graphics card's heat
[20:07] <Kilos> try google the cutoff temp for that model graphics card
[20:07] <Kilos> and we can look in bios if there are settings there
[20:07] <Kilos> KilosKid, did you try an outside fan blowing into pc from the side?
[20:08] <Tonberry> 50 is not that high for a graphics card
[20:08] <inetpro> Tonberry: I would agree
[20:09] <inetpro> but perhaps the cutoff is to low in the bios
[20:09] <magespawn> what card is it?
[20:09] <Tonberry> that would not bluescreen or crash
[20:09] <Tonberry> only shut down
[20:09] <inetpro> magespawn: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT]
[20:10] <inetpro> Tonberry: ahh, right
[20:10] <magespawn> maybe might be something else on the card gpu or memory
[20:10] <magespawn> ty inetpro 
[20:11] <inetpro> so maybe inetpro went onto the wrong track
[20:11] <KilosKid> Why does the sensor warn me about the graphics card being high, then?
[20:11] <inetpro> won't be the first time
[20:11] <KilosKid> And Inetpro
[20:11] <KilosKid> It can't be the grapics card heat
[20:12] <KilosKid> I took it out and ran the comp without it
[20:12] <KilosKid> Using the motherboard graphics card
[20:12] <KilosKid> and it still froze.
[20:12] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:12] <inetpro> anyway, now you know to measure the sensors
[20:12] <inetpro> sorry
[20:13] <KilosKid> Heh. :| Thanks for your help.
[20:13] <Kilos> kiddo we can look if there are settings in bios we can up some
[20:13] <Kilos> morrow fine?
[20:13] <Kilos> i me KilosKid 
[20:13] <Kilos> mean
[20:13] <Kilos> whew
[20:13]  * inetpro getting as tired as Kilos
[20:14] <Kilos> thumper going here
[20:14] <Kilos> ya we older
[20:14] <magespawn> max gpu temp is 105c so unless there is a setting the temp is not it
[20:14] <magespawn> could be the mb
[20:14] <inetpro> sleep is not a luxury any more
[20:14] <inetpro> it's a necessity 
[20:15] <Kilos> whats gpu
[20:15] <magespawn> KilosKid did you see anything visually wrong with it? like capacitors bulging?
[20:15] <magespawn> graphics processing unit
[20:15] <KilosKid> No. 
[20:15] <Kilos> ah
[20:16] <magespawn> the cpu of the card basically
[20:16] <Kilos> maybe its settings in bios corrupted some
[20:16] <KilosKid> But I reset the damn bios
[20:16] <magespawn> could try flash the bios with the latest update but only as a last resort
[20:17] <Kilos> ya man but maybe the default wasnt hot enough for such a serious multitasker
[20:17] <KilosKid> I'm pretty much at last resort stage, magespawn.
[20:17] <inetpro> KilosKid: for a new kid on the block you're doing pretty well, I must say
[20:17] <KilosKid> I'm not new to technology.
[20:17] <KilosKid> Just new to these super indepth computer problems
[20:17] <magespawn> what mb is it?
[20:17] <KilosKid> It's a
[20:17] <KilosKid> Um
[20:17] <KilosKid> Give me examples of names?
[20:17] <magespawn> lol
[20:17] <KilosKid> I think it's AMD?
[20:17] <Kilos> no say gigabyte
[20:17] <magespawn> that s the processor
[20:17] <KilosKid> What?
[20:18] <KilosKid> It's a P5k thing
[20:18] <KilosKid> ONe sec.
[20:18] <magespawn> you can look on the board itself
[20:18] <Kilos> gigabytes mbs work kiff when they work
[20:18] <KilosKid> Sadly, it's under the graphics card
[20:18] <KilosKid> lol 
[20:18]  * KilosKid pulls hair out.
[20:18] <Kilos> lol
[20:18] <KilosKid> ASUS
[20:18] <Kilos> you got lots so a bit wont make a diffs
[20:19] <KilosKid> Yeah
[20:19] <KilosKid> P5KPL-AM/PS
[20:19] <Kilos> see there lotsa things one can look into
[20:19] <Kilos> it might even be an asus prob
[20:19] <KilosKid> Doubtful.
[20:19] <KilosKid> That would be too easy.
[20:19] <Kilos> they should know about it too
[20:19] <KilosKid> LOL. Too easy. After all this.
[20:20] <inetpro> http://uk.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_775/P5KPLAMPS/
[20:20] <Kilos> maybe there is a forum or something
[20:20] <magespawn> you can check the website they usually tell you there
[20:20] <KilosKid> Tell me what?
[20:20] <KilosKid> I mean, what am I checking for?
[20:20] <Kilos> freezing when working hard
[20:20] <KilosKid> That motherboard looks clean and new.
[20:20] <KilosKid> Oh... how I envy it.
[20:20] <Kilos> lol
[20:21] <KilosKid> Okay so what am I looking for? You confused me, Kilos.
[20:21] <Kilos> that one was blown clean not finger wiped
[20:21] <KilosKid> PFFFT
[20:22] <inetpro> http://support.asus.com/Troubleshooting/detail.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=1&m=P5KPL-AM/PS&s=22&hashedid=y014Wy067iZxxPeP&os=&no=981
[20:22] <Kilos> Maaz, google asus P5KPL-AM/PS fmb rrezing when wroking hard
[20:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Wow! Google couldn't find anything
[20:22] <Kilos> grrr
[20:22] <KilosKid> Of course it couldn't
[20:22] <magespawn> lol
[20:22] <KilosKid> *throws PC onto freeway*
[20:22]  * KilosKid , that is, throws PC onto freeway.
[20:22] <magespawn> KilosKid: try the /me
[20:22] <magespawn> hah lol
[20:22] <Kilos> google asus P5KPL-AM/PS fmb freezing when working hard
[20:23] <Kilos> grrr
[20:23] <KilosKid> Pointless to google it
[20:23] <Kilos> Maaz, google asus P5KPL-AM/PS  mb freezing when working hard
[20:23] <KilosKid> Maaz just said there's nothing on google about it
[20:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "70 Complaints and Reviews about ASUS" http://www.consumeraffairs.com/computers/asus.html :: "Asus p5kpl-am do not boot - General-Motherboard - Motherboards-Memory" http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/295417-30-asus-p5kpl-boot :: "Connecting Broadband to Tablet using USB LAN adapter - Windows 7 ..." http://www.sevenforums.com/network-sharing/235756-connecting-
[20:23] <Maaz> broadband-tablet-using-usb-lan-adapter.html :: "HCL 10.8 Seeds - OSx86" http://wiki.osx86…
[20:23] <Maaz> KilosKid: Excuse me?
[20:23] <KilosKid> Eh? What is all that?
[20:23] <Kilos> links
[20:24] <magespawn> thats cause of the spelling
[20:24] <Kilos> to others with probs
[20:24] <Kilos> ya im poegaai
[20:24] <Kilos> the bot dont like bad spelling
[20:24] <Kilos> nor does google
[20:24] <KilosKid> "If you can enter the BIOS, try accessing the "Power" tab. If it freezes up, it means the Q-Fan controller part of the BIOS has most probably gone corrupt."
[20:24] <KilosKid> Should I ask a question specific to my case?
[20:25] <Kilos> try asking KilosKid 
[20:26] <KilosKid> brb
[20:26]  * inetpro waves to everyone o/
[20:26] <inetpro> good night
[20:26] <inetpro> oh and good luck KilosKid
[20:26] <inetpro> do come back here from time to time, even if all is working again
[20:26] <Kilos> sleep tight inetpro 
[20:27] <Kilos> ty
[20:27] <inetpro> KilosKid: my plesier
[20:27] <Kilos> dankie boetie
[20:34] <Kilos> thanks superfly magespawn and whoever else helped us
[20:34] <Kilos> i forget who
[20:34] <Kilos> Tonberry, +
[20:35]  * Tonberry knik
[20:35] <magespawn> np
[20:35] <Kilos> so hard being so far away
[20:36] <Kilos> would love to be able to help handson
[20:37] <Kilos> nad blow it clean
[20:37] <Kilos> and
[20:38] <Kilos> my poor little girl
[20:39] <KilosKid> Toodles, inetpro.
[20:40] <Kilos> you find anything relevant KilosKid 
[20:40] <Kilos> ?
[20:41] <magespawn> i am off to bed, night all, keep us up to date when you find it
[20:41] <KilosKid> Night magespawn.
[20:41] <KilosKid> I didn't look, yet. Was afk
[20:42] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[20:42] <Kilos> i go crash too KilosKid 
[20:42] <Kilos> 20 to 11 here
[20:42] <KilosKid> Kk. Night.
[20:42] <KilosKid> Thanks everyone for helping meee.
[20:42] <KilosKid> Or trying, anyway. :(
[20:42] <Kilos> sleep tight. will be online when i wake
[20:42] <Kilos> we will win never fear
[20:43] <Kilos> we have ways and means
[20:44] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:44] <Kilos> ty
[20:45] <nuvolari> :-/ can't sleep!
[20:45] <nuvolari> noooo! just missed oom kilos :-/
[20:47] <bakuman> :(
[21:14] <Squirm> hmm
[21:14] <Squirm> I think I need to sleep