=== kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [04:49] ::workspace-bugs:: [1050776] kde4-window-decorator crashes when starting up with oxygen theme @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1050776 (by Iven Hsu) === fenris is now known as Guest99083 === Guest99083 is now known as ejat [06:52] ::workspace-bugs:: [1050776] kde4-window-decorator crashes when starting up with oxygen theme @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1050776 (by Iven Hsu) [07:56] ::workspace-bugs:: [1013626] systemsettings crashed with ImportError in /usr/share/kde4/apps/language-selector/language... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013626 (by Xavier Besnard) === fenris is now known as Guest72215 === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Mamarok is now known as Guest54651 === Guest54651 is now known as Mamarok === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Quantal bugs: http://goo.gl/ESmab | Status: http://goo.gl/ZGGJP | Packaging TODO: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas | apachelogger: SRU plymouth logo & fix ipod support | schedule the meeting: http://www.doodle.com/2wei2a87kq6sbgxf [12:19] schedule the meeting: http://www.doodle.com/2wei2a87kq6sbgxf [12:19] apachelogger: still planning on doing plymouth SRU and fixing ipod support and have you not found a better todo list then the channel /topic ? [12:20] Riddell: email sent [12:21] bah, these doodles are so annoying... [12:21] I have no idea what tomorrow holds, never mind a week from now... [12:24] Riddell: Hey, I like the urgent todo being in the topic [12:37] jussi: which urgent todo? [12:37] Riddell: Haralds todo's :P [12:40] he doesn't seem to be processing them very urgently... === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [13:39] Probably just the alchohol related ones. [13:43] lol [13:48] Hi all [14:27] ipod is supposed to get fixed by shadeslayer actually [14:39] shadeslayer: is there a work item in that? [14:55] apachelogger: the media-player thingum? [14:59] ScottK: you said something about milestones the other day, can you remind me what that was? [15:02] shadeslayer: yes, the one you were supposed to talk to sune about [15:02] ... [15:02] right, I'm not sure if Sune followed up on that ... [15:05] silly users, report a bug, don't reply to call for testing [15:05] last I asked IIRC he had discussed it with the others but did not give me any results and since I am too lazy to go to another server to discuss stuff I do not actually care about... [15:05] lemme ping him [15:10] What kind of retar... [15:11] shadeslayer, apachelogger: is it possible to determine which number out of 4 numbers is the highest one using only two compare operations? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [15:14] Quintasan: context? [15:16] apachelogger: My friend told me he wanted me to help him with his homework, he has print the highest number out of 4 user supplied numbers [15:16] using two comapring operations [15:16] I told him it's impossible [15:16] as in programming or algorithmic homework? [15:17] apachelogger: AFAIR he told me they are still doing those flow charts [15:17] as in, no code [15:17] what's the course about though ^^ [15:17] stuff like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/LampFlowchart.svg/220px-LampFlowchart.svg.png [15:18] apachelogger: introduction to programming [15:18] oh brrrrrrrrr [15:18] well, you can technically do it using two comparisions but those would be in a loop [15:18] apparently the flowchart part should be done after brief introductuion and a few exercises but they will apparently have one on the test [15:18] apachelogger: in a loop? [15:19] how exactly would that work? [15:19] i.e. while (int a = read()) { if (a>max) max=a; if(a hmm [15:20] Did not think of that [15:20] oh, the min check can go [15:20] then you are definitely at two comparisions in a flow chart [15:21] yeah, makes sense [15:21] what's wrong with flow charts? They're a lot easier to write than the nassi-schneidermann stuff we did in school [15:22] I hate it [15:22] also algorithmic speaking it probably cannot be done, that is to say I know no algorithm that would find the highest of 4 in n/2 steps [15:22] not reliably anyway [15:23] i.e. with a useful initial seed ordering you'd get there with some [15:23] I could write a function to check is year n is a leap year in two lines [15:23] but prof wanted a flow chart that took the whole blackbord [15:24] well writing the codez and understanding what it means are two different things :P [15:25] apachelogger: debian upstream says that they'd add it in their kde-*-desktop meta packages [15:25] so we should just go ahead and add it to the seeds I guess [15:25] we should fix it properly [15:25] upstream is being ... upstream [15:26] apachelogger: implying if ((year%4==0 && year%100!=0) || year%400==0) is hard to understand [15:26] I do not see why an ubuntu user installing the amarok package should get shitty experience [15:26] Quintasan: that is even hard to read :P [15:29] apachelogger: lol [15:29] You must have been doing python [15:31] oh oh [15:32] apachelogger: amarok recommends media-player-infoxs [15:32] xs? [15:32] virtual package, not sure what provides it [15:33] oh right, someone please fix apt-cache's handling of virtual packages *-.- [15:33] yeah :P [15:33] Quintasan: well [15:33] Quintasan: try writing that in x86 asm [15:35] shadeslayer: so the solution is to have every consumer of libsolid depend on that? Oo [15:35] shadeslayer: if I remember the syntax of apt-cache depends right, then nothing provides xs, as it's in <> [15:36] yeah, seeing how I can't find anything remotely realted to it, it seems we have a packaging issue :P [15:36] apachelogger: *shrug* [15:36] exactly [15:36] that's what upstream feels .... [15:37] aptitude agrees: --- media-player-infoxs (UNAVAILABLE) [15:37] upstream feels that libsolid should be working :P [15:37] so start by fixing amarok [15:38] what is xs? [15:38] it's called -info really [15:38] ah lol [15:38] yeah [15:38] like I said, some sort of packaging issue I guess [15:39] to the history [15:39] hm [15:39] I don't see it in the branch Oo [15:39] * apachelogger blind? [15:40] +Recommends: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins (>= 4:4.2.0), media-player-infoxs [15:40] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/112693094/amarok_2%3A2.6~rc1-0ubuntu2_2%3A2.6.0-0ubuntu1.diff.gz [15:40] yah [15:40] typos ftw [15:40] possibly Riddell spelled it wrong? [15:40] also that is not in bzr [15:40] heh [15:40] what a surprise [15:41] last version in bzr is rc1 -.- [15:41] so at least two uploads that are not in bzr [15:41] so I get one, I do not get the second though [15:41] Oo [15:42] moi? [15:42] yes, you again :P [15:42] someone please fix it, I need coffees [15:43] mm, that looks broken indeed [15:43] doing [15:43] by fix I mean fix the bzr [15:43] sorry about that [15:43] well ... doing both :P [15:43] the actual fix is to promote that thing from suggests to recommends on libsolid [15:48] also SRU it? [15:50] shadeslayer: yep [15:51] shadeslayer: I'm processing e-mail and come across the "please package kdevelop xdebug" one again, did you respond at all? [15:51] I have no idea what that is tbh [15:52] and I forgot about it as well [15:53] http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdevelop/kdev-xdebug/1.3.80/src/ [15:53] hmm [15:53] seems to be http://nikosams.blogspot.de/2012/10/kdevelop-xdebug-php-debugger-beta.html if you want some more details [15:53] there may well be a reason why it's not packaged [15:53] I think I'll add a work item to investigate [15:54] could you follow up on that? I have too much on my plate right now :) [15:54] yep [15:58] Riddell: there's a bunch of stuff to be packaged : http://download.kde.org/unstable/kdevelop/ [15:58] at the very end [15:59] hmm, interesting [16:02] Riddell: bug 1078772 filed [16:03] Launchpad bug 1078772 in amarok (Ubuntu Quantal) "SRU : Fix typo in amarok Recommmends" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078772 [16:03] can I go ahead and upload to quantal-proposed ? [16:04] shadeslayer: yes but please add diff to the bug and subscribe ~ubuntu-sru [16:05] righto [16:05] Quintasan: word is there's a homerun release on download.kde.org, you're down for the work item to package it (if you can't do it soon mind and say so to release the lock) [16:11] Riddell: I think you covered it on #u-release. We have the milestones in the bug tracker now. [16:19] Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/123020597/amarok.debdiff [16:21] uploaded to proposed, pending approval [16:24] btw. now that we do the automated upload stuff, does someone still use the dep-graph? I can generate the 4.10 one from neon, bug I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble (it's more than one or 2 changes) [16:24] *but [16:28] yofel__: if it's hassle then I think leave it and see if anyone complains [16:29] folks skaet is wondering when we want an alpha 1 since we're probably the only flavour using it [16:29] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule current december 6th [16:29] well, 40 new items for kdegames, kactivities gets used by more things, nepomuk-widgets it new, and so on [16:30] could be moved to january to pick up any work over the holidays [16:30] Riddell: we are the only flavor using alphas? [16:31] apachelogger: some want 1 alpha [16:31] ah [16:31] well, IMHO january would be better [16:31] seeing as we probably won't have much to test by dec 6 [16:31] [16:32] January 10th then to catch KDE SC RC? [16:32] ack, we'll need at least 2 weeks for just KDE judging from our packaging speed lately [16:32] fine with me [16:32] oh sec [16:32] .10 b1 is out nov 21 [16:33] yofel__: should be enough time to get it in? [16:34] should be, we could just concentrate on the core stuff for beta1, and kdegames for beta2 or so [16:34] then we won't have thing lying around in a half-done state [16:34] *things [16:34] works for me [16:34] Riddell: dec 6 it is [16:34] yofel__: we should just make sure the base system works [16:34] yeah [16:35] so we can point people at go download a1 and you'll get over the air upgrades to .10 pre-releases [16:35] hm, that would be an idea too [16:36] mm, I'm not sure pointing people at an alpha is a good way to recommend upgrading to KDE SC 4.10 [16:37] pre-releases [16:37] to test .10 [16:37] it's not like we'll backport .10 until we have it fully packaged, which certainly won't happen for b1 [16:38] actually it may be best to only start backports with rc1 [16:39] by that time the sources should have settled enough to not cause major packaging changes between rc1 and final [16:39] right [16:41] Darkwing: ping? I need your address [16:41] so plan would be to package .10 b1 without kdegames, b2 with, and start backports with rc1 - fine? [16:42] and alpha 1 after 4.10 b1 & alpha 2 after 4.10 final? [16:43] ack [16:43] IIRC from the schedule meeting, where things were before seemed to make sense. [16:43] .10 b1 tagging is officially tomorrow, so we should have the sources by the end of the week [16:46] skaet: we'll try and stick with alpha 1 where it is, dec 6th then [16:46] Riddell, ok [16:58] hmmm ... where's the amarok I uploaded to -proposed [16:58] Riddell: do you see it in the queue? [16:59] because I don't : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue [16:59] oh wait, it's in unapproved [16:59] shadeslayer: yes, in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= [16:59] right [17:01] * shadeslayer is still waiting to be included in the steam beat [17:01] *beta [17:02] for all the hype about steam at UDS, nobody actually explained what it is [17:02] I know it's a game engine but I don't know anything more about it, probably if you play games you already know and if you don't you don't care [17:02] steam is a content distribution engine [17:03] then there's the source engine [17:03] which is the thing that powers games like TF2 [17:03] which is all I care about at the moment ;P [17:07] TF2? I never even knew there was a TF1, I'm so behind, do they still play sonic the hedgehog? [17:08] lol [17:08] Riddell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Fortress [17:09] * yofel__ never played TF2 so far either, only watched videos of it [17:10] I've played for a couple of hours, but then OS X got annoying [17:11] heh, here my only win7 system doesn't have 10G free disk space :P [17:11] haha [17:13] my win8 has 1.5 gib of free space [17:13] I have 0 GB's of space for win [17:14] -dows that is :P [17:14] delete some pleasure movies [17:14] pft, stream all the pleasure movies [17:15] bad idea [17:15] see, the internet is a series of tubes and if you put too much into it they get blocked and nothing gets thru anymore [17:33] Digestion works that way too, once you get older. [17:34] :S [17:34] Oo [17:34] :O [17:34] * apachelogger leaves now [17:35] haha [17:36] Riddell: amarok SRU is accepted. [17:36] shadeslayer: ^^^ [17:36] thx [17:36] np [18:00] ScottK: ah yes I was forgetting your elite new SRU powers [18:01] ScottK: you should probably fix up my lack of SRU powers on bug 1067611, sorry about that [18:01] Launchpad bug 1067611 in kdevelop (Ubuntu Quantal) "[SRU] Meta bug for tracking KDevelop SRU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067611 [18:03] quick question, no one is on the help forum [18:03] I am using 13.03 During an sudo apt-get update / dist-upgrade the notification keeps saying Activity in session "Shell" is something trying to SSH into my computer? [18:04] 13.04* [18:05] Tygart: no that means there's some visible activity, ssh wouldn't be visible [18:05] Ok thank you. I haven't seen that message before. [18:13] ooohh [18:13] skanlite works over wifi just fine [18:13] shadeslayer: ssh -X ? [18:13] or networked scanner? [18:14] the latter [18:14] networked scanner + printer [18:14] cool, good to know since I didn't actually test it [18:14] and I'm on precise .... [18:17] want me to test the new printer thingum as well? [18:19] shadeslayer: mm, there is no new printer thingum on precise [18:19] I have a quantal ISO, could virtualize and see [18:20] go for it [18:23] The last time I tried printing in my college ubuntu proceeded to print a 100 test pages [18:29] never happened for me, and I've been using network printers since gutsy - depends on the driver though. My dad's canon printer refuses to print anything [18:30] can't find the networked printer [18:31] ah well [18:31] the old printer app does find it [18:31] hum [18:33] as does cups [18:33] hum [18:33] http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/14/plasma-desktopsG7451.png [18:33] possibly just due to KVM? [18:35] shadeslayer: kdebug is your friend [18:45] * yofel__ makes his way home - bbl [18:46] shadeslayer: well if cups sees it then print-manager should see it [18:50] any ideas what the username/pass is on the live cd? [18:50] kubuntu kubuntu most likely [18:51] doesn't work [18:53] apachelogger: kdebug doesn't show any issues [18:53] *kdebug output [19:13] Riddell: Will get to it today [20:32] yofel_: how do I do bot bugfilling magic? [20:32] ~help newpackage [20:32] newpackage [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package. [20:32] newversion [description]; Adds update bug for existing package. [20:32] kubotu: newpackage homerun 0.1.0 Homerun needs packaging [20:32] Package homerun already exists! [20:32] no need to put something like "needs packaging" in the description [20:33] that's already there [20:33] it's meant for additional info like url to source etc. [20:33] durr [20:33] cant find bug for homerun packaging [20:34] hm... that error should mean that there is already a source called 'homerun' in ubuntu [20:35] Quintasan: have you ever seen an empty package history o.O? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun [20:35] first time for me... [20:35] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=homerun&searchon=names [20:35] nothing [20:35] xD [20:35] yeah, but for some reason it's in the LP Database, that's all the script can check... [20:36] the publishing history is empty too, wtf [20:36] and can't report bug against it [20:38] kubotu: newversion homerun 0.1.0 [20:38] HTTPError: Package homerun not published in Ubuntu [20:38] . . . [20:38] -> #launchpad, this is broken [20:38] yofel_: I think that happens when someone uploads something to a PPA but it never existed in ubuntu [20:39] hm [20:39] eg: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ferite1.0 [20:39] I uploaded that to my PPA a long time ago, and it shows under "Other versions of ..." [20:39] true, seems so [20:39] LP is a strange beast [20:40] guess I'll need to add a publishing check to the script [20:49] agateau: THIS LICENSING ON HOMERUN [20:49] T_T [20:49] * Quintasan sheds tears [20:49] what's the problem? [20:50] three licenses === yofel_ is now known as yofel [20:50] plus BSD [20:50] sounds normal [20:53] 3+1 but only today! [20:53] * Tm_T goes salesman mode [20:53] shadeslayer: I think usename/password on the live CD is ubuntu/none. === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [21:07] * yofel gives up on fixing the script [21:07] the API makes it really hard to catch that case [21:11] hm [21:12] found a way after all [21:12] if number of published sources in the main archive for exact matched package name "homerun" = 0 -> package not yet in archive [21:13] OH MY GOD [21:13] hahahahahahahahahahahhaaha\ [21:14] I'm open for alternatives... [21:14] no [21:14] You're not [21:14] THIS COPYRIGHT [21:14] AHAAHAHA [21:14] uh... [21:14] THAT'S WHY I HATE PACKAGING [21:14] have you ever read the copyright of calligra? [21:15] (which is invalid btw.) [21:15] NOPE [21:15] DONT CARE [21:15] :D [21:15] I already cringe when I see thing licensed on GPL-2 or GPL-3 (at your choice) [21:15] xD [21:17] AND WHY THERE IS NO SOUND IN FLASH [21:17] blame your system [21:18] kmod:nvidia_current_updates - nvidia_current_updates (Proprietary, Enabled, Not in use) [21:18] >Not in use [21:18] what the hell [21:19] I blame this retarded abstraction layer called Phonon or PulseAudio [21:19] depending which one is at fault [21:20] Quintasan: bug 1078908 [21:20] Launchpad bug 1078908 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] homerun" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078908 [21:21] I fileed that [21:21] filled [21:21] so you did, duped [21:22] but now the script works at least [21:23] Quintasan: enjoy :P http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/161 [21:23] line 55 is esp. fun [21:24] worst thing is that this crap actually works right -.- [21:24] but still [21:24] >Not in use [21:24] kmod:nvidia_current_updates - nvidia_current_updates (Proprietary, Enabled, Not in use) [21:24] hahahahaha [21:24] apachelogger: can you update the script for kubotu please? [21:25] This line makes me wonder why I'm still using linux [21:25] well, what are you running? [21:25] * yofel hasn't used jockey in ages btw. [21:25] yofel: NO IDEA? [21:25] :D [21:25] That's the thing [21:25] check your x log, that will tell [21:26] nvidia [21:27] ah well, same here [21:27] kmod:nvidia_current - nvidia_current (Proprietary, Enabled, Not in use) [21:27] apparently that's the module loaded [21:27] and the screen compositing is not smooth T_T [21:27] I feel like an idiot running GTX570 and composition is not as smooth as my friends 2 years old laptop with some mobile version [21:28] and the damn homerun fails at tests [21:28] way to god [21:28] go* [21:29] well, in a day or two we'll have 4.10, then you can go back to everyday's insanity [21:29] which is? [21:29] packaging? [21:29] yep [21:29] * yofel wonders if the debian folks fixed qjson yet [21:29] I just want my os to use my gfx card normally [21:31] agateau: We have to skip tests for homerun for now [21:31] they don't work with xvfb or I'm being stupid [21:31] The latter is probably true [21:31] * yofel reboots [21:32] brb - probably [21:33] re [21:39] I'm so not going to do this copyright today [21:39] * Quintasan sipts [21:39] skips* [21:39] yofel: which one? [21:39] newpackage (kubuntu-dev-tools) [21:40] what's broken? [21:40] kubotu: newpackage homerun 0.1.0 [21:40] Package homerun already exists! [21:40] kubotu: newversion homerun 0.1.0 [21:40] HTTPError: Package homerun not published in Ubuntu [21:41] homerun exists, but without a published version as it only exists in PPA's [21:41] apachelogger: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-dev-tools/trunk/revision/161 works, feel free to look over it [21:48] ... [21:48] how the [21:49] apachelogger: usr/lib/libhomerun.so [21:49] usr/lib/libhomerun.so.0 [21:49] usr/lib/libhomerun.so.0.0.0 [21:49] The first two should go to dev package [21:49] shouldn't they? [21:50] the first [21:50] oh [21:50] the others go into libhomerun0 [21:50] explains the rpath magic [21:51] * Quintasan has long forgotten the magics of library packaging === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [21:52] yofel: usr/bin/homerunviewer [21:52] any idea? [21:52] devel pacakge [21:52] lib package or the widget one? [21:52] uh, I have no idea what that thing does so don't ask me [21:53] agateau: usr/bin/homerunviewer <-- to which package should it belong? [21:53] if it's only useful for devel then put it into -dev, otherwise make a bin package for the executabled [21:53] s [21:53] * Quintasan puts it in dev for time being [21:53] those are funny [21:53] usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/homerun/components/libcomponentsplugin.so [21:53] usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/homerun/fixes/libfixesplugin.so [21:53] usr/lib/kde4/homerun_source_recentdocuments.so [21:53] * Quintasan puts them into widget package [21:58] done for today [21:58] will do copyright tomorrow and ask someone to review before I upload [21:58] * Quintasan feels a little bit rusty === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [22:16] Quintasan, yofel: well, the overly precise library expert would argue that stuff should link against x.x.x rather than x.x ;) [22:16] * yofel never said a thing about linking [22:47] shadeslayer: live cd username is kubuntu and password is empty [22:47] didn't work when I tried it ... [22:50] isn't the live cd username "ubuntu"? === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [22:52]