[03:11] <WillZ> Hello.
[03:13] <WillZ> With the LiveCD/USB version of 12.10, has anyone else noticed that other drives don't connect properly?
[03:14] <WillZ> It doesn't mount or access any flash drives you plug into it.  Gives an "/Acc" error...
[03:25] <WillZ> ...
[03:25] <WillZ> lively crowd....
[03:30] <Wezel> I've just installed lubuntu 12.04 on an old laptop without PAE support. Will I safely be able to upgrade to 12.10??
[03:32] <Unit193> Well, the issue with that would be the kernel wouldn't get updates, and you'd have to set the 3.2.x kernel as the default or select it on bootup.
[03:33] <Wezel> Thanks
[03:34] <Unit193> There isn't any officially supported method to get non-PAE on *buntu 12.10.
[05:21] <K350> I'm currently usin gKubuntu and I've a KDE them ethat I really love. Now I'm going to use Lubuntu instead. But I would love to use my favorite KDE theme. Is that somehow possible?
[05:23] <holstein> K350: everything is possible, since its all open.. though, pulling that theme over into gtk or whatever is not going to happen
[05:24] <holstein> i would just try and emulate the theme aspects
[05:26] <K350> holstein: hm, ok. I haven't checked yet. But there's an option to customize the theme in Lubuntu, right?
[08:32] <zotta> anybody here?
[08:36] <zotta> hello?
[09:10] <zotta> helloooo?
[09:10] <zotta> anybody here?
[09:11] <bioterror> yes
[09:12] <zotta> ok
[09:12] <zotta> i have installed lxde
[09:12] <zotta> but the taskbar and start menu won't show
[09:13] <zotta> the desktop is completely white
[09:13] <zotta> but i can ricght-click to start a terminal
[09:13] <bioterror> but you did not install lubuntu-desktop?
[09:13] <zotta> when i minimize windows they just disappear
[09:13] <zotta> no, i did not install lubuntu-desktop
[09:14] <zotta> but yesterday it worked just fine
[09:14] <zotta> with lxde
[09:14] <zotta> but I had to reinstall the os
[09:14] <zotta> because of failed updates
[09:15] <zotta> any idea, why there is no start menu?
[09:15] <zotta> will it help to install lubuntu-desktop?
[09:15] <bioterror> or lubuntu-core
[09:16] <zotta> it is actually a server i want to access via vnc
[09:16] <zotta> headless
[09:16] <bioterror> then lubuntu-core ;)
[09:17] <bioterror> it fetches openbox, needed lxde components and  nothing else
[09:18] <zotta> installing...
[09:20] <zotta> white desktop
[09:21] <bioterror> did you start it with command: startlubuntu
[09:24] <focus_well> How does one do a Lubuntu from scratch? I'm trying to make my own ARM board and then put Linux on it. I found the MK802 and the Lubuntu on that is really excellent!
[09:24] <zotta> zotta@zotta:~$ vncserver
[09:25] <zotta> New 'zotta:1 (zotta)' desktop is zotta:1
[09:25] <zotta> Starting applications specified in /home/zotta/.vnc/xstartup
[09:25] <zotta> Log file is /home/zotta/.vnc/zotta:1.log
[09:25] <zotta> zotta@zotta:~$ startlubuntu
[09:25] <zotta> white screen
[09:25] <focus_well> The gist of my current understanding is that you compile kernel for the CPU in already working Lubuntu such as the MK802, then blank.
[09:27] <bioterror> zotta, is it possible to check with display what this headless server shows?
[09:28] <bioterror> or is there too much distance?
[09:28] <zotta> just a few thousand kilometers
[09:28] <bioterror> :D
[09:29] <zotta> the strange thing is until yesterday i had nearly the same configuration
[09:29] <zotta> and it worked fine
[09:30] <zotta> until some updates screwed up the system
[09:30] <zotta> so i had to reinstall it from scratch
[09:31] <bioterror> I have never actually used servers and VNC, just my mac had VNC running on OS X as I did not always wanted to walk stairs down
[09:31] <bioterror> so I'm not a VNC expert
[09:32] <zotta> I googled and some people semmed to have the same problem on actual desktops
[09:32] <zotta> but found no solution
[09:36] <bioterror> zotta, sounds nice :D
[09:37] <zotta> i got something:
[09:37] <zotta> if i log in into another user
[09:37] <zotta> everything works as it should
[09:37] <zotta> hmm
[09:37] <bioterror> hahaha
[09:38] <bioterror> sounds like rm -rf !
[09:38] <zotta> wtf does that do?
[09:39] <bioterror> removing configuration files that could affect your desktop ;)
[09:39] <zotta> i do not want to delete all config files
[09:40] <zotta> i got at least one program, where i do not want the config file deleted
[09:40] <zotta> and my document folder of yourse
[09:40] <zotta> *course
[09:48] <zotta> YAY!!!
[09:49] <zotta> working
[09:49] <zotta> deleted everything in my profile, except what i really need
[09:58] <bioterror> :-)
[11:11] <zleap> hi
[11:11] <zleap> why does'nt something crash when you want it to ?
[11:13] <zleap> just logged out and ten logged in,   skype crashed and it came up with the crash handler and reporting program,   i let this do what it wants then ijt closes,  i then figure it may be worth filing a bug report on it in oder to improve it,  so log out and back in hoping skype would crash and make the handler come up again and it didn't crash
[11:13] <zleap> grrr
[11:22] <bioterror> you gotta love that sercurity hole filled propietary software
[12:48] <mungojerry> anyone know if there are plans to backport openbox to 12.04 containing the fixes for the 3.5.0.2 crash?
[13:02] <mungojerry> bug 938379
[13:24] <xnox> mungojerry: the bug is not nominated for precise, so no there are no current plans.
[13:24] <xnox> mungojerry: is the diff / patch small & sane?
[13:24] <xnox> just for _that_ crash?
[13:24] <mungojerry> xnox, the diff is quite small
[13:25] <mungojerry> for that crash
[13:25] <mungojerry> however i noticed that 12.10 users are having just as many crashes (from looking at errors.ubuntu.com), just don't know which crash they are getting
[13:25] <mungojerry> i get the openbox crash once a day on average
[13:26] <mungojerry> which is causing me to consider switching again
[13:26] <mungojerry> cos it's my work pc
[13:27] <xnox> mungojerry: well errors don't show much for https://errors.ubuntu.com/?package=openbox which crash are you pin pointing at?
[13:27] <mungojerry> xnox my specific crash is bug 938379
[13:28] <mungojerry> the errors.ubuntu don't tell you which crash happened on the graph though
[13:29] <xnox> mungojerry: can you find the patch in upstream git repo which fixes https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5460 ? cause we need a single patch to SRU it.
[13:29] <mungojerry> xnox, sure, i found it a few days ago, hang on
[14:35] <zuperman> Hello all! I have several problems, hope you can help. I have ubuntu 11.10 with lubuntu-desktop installed.
[14:35] <zuperman> first: i want to add keyboard input methods
[14:35] <zuperman> i can't figure out how to do that in lxde
[14:36] <zuperman> second: i used xrandr to add specific resolution, but it reverts on every restart/logout
[14:36] <zuperman> how to make that permanent?
[14:36] <bioterror> with xorg.conf
[14:36] <bioterror> or add that xrandr command to startup
[14:36] <zuperman> ok, just to write last problem
[14:37] <bioterror> /topic has url to Lubuntu FAQ
[14:37] <zuperman> so, third: i can't make flash player run
[14:37] <zuperman> i have tried everything,
[14:37] <zuperman> restricted extras,
[14:37] <zuperman> tar.bz packages
[14:37] <zuperman> deb packages...
[14:37] <zuperman> flashplugin nonfree... etc.
[14:37] <zuperman> none of that works
[14:37] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Monitor_or_Screens
[14:38] <bioterror> explain more about this input methods
[14:39] <zuperman> im from Serbia
[14:39] <zuperman> so I want serbian keyboard
[14:39] <zuperman> i want latin, cyrilic
[14:39] <zuperman> and english keyboard
[14:39] <zuperman> how to add that
[14:40] <bioterror> and someone added url to forums in the wiki
[14:40] <bioterror> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1455877
[14:40] <zuperman> tried that
[14:40] <zuperman> doesn't work
[14:41] <zuperman> XKBMODEL="pc105" XKBLAYOUT="us,rs,rs" XKBVARIANT=",latin," XKBOPTIONS="grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
[14:41] <zuperman> that one
[14:41] <zuperman> i did sudo gedit /etc/default/keyboard
[14:42] <zuperman> changed that, but i still don't have keyboards
[14:43] <bioterror> alt+shift does not change it?
[14:43] <bioterror> seems like ctrl+shift
[14:43] <zuperman> nope...
[14:43] <zuperman> no, i changed it
[14:43] <zuperman> :)
[14:43] <zuperman> to alt+shift
[14:43] <zuperman> but, tried ctrl+shift also
[14:45] <bioterror> setxkbmap -option grp:alt_shift_toggle "us,rs"
[14:45] <bioterror> does that command work?
[14:46] <zuperman> btw, iBus tray icon shows "input method off"
[14:46] <bioterror> well, you could tell ibus to turn off
[14:46] <bioterror> to turn from off to on
[14:46] <bioterror> it could help
[14:46] <bioterror> but Id ont know, I'm quite fine with only finnish keyboard
[14:46] <zuperman> ок
[14:47] <zuperman> ok, i have cyrillic now
[14:47] <zuperman> but not latin
[15:29] <mcasus> ciao a tutti
[15:29] <mcasus> italian help?
[15:29] <bioterror> it
[15:29] <bioterror> !it
[16:23] <zuperman> hello, I have 11.10 with lubuntu-desktop, and several issues
[16:24] <zuperman> first of all, I can't get flash player to work
[16:24] <zuperman> i tried everything,
[16:24] <zuperman> restricted extras,
[16:24] <zuperman> downloading instalation from adobe
[16:24] <zuperman> tar.bz/deb packages
[16:24] <zuperman> nothing...
[16:25] <zuperman> thats most anoying issue
[16:25] <zuperman> anyone can help?
[16:59] <Neverminder> hi, i have problem: i was doing nothing particullar, then suddenly all icons from launchers dissapeared, desktop went black, chrome crashed... i restarted, but couldn't get gui, it dropped to terminal. i tried to login with ussername&pass, but i couldnt, it says couldnt open /home/myussername
[17:15] <bioterror> Neverminder, what if you try TTY?
[17:15] <Neverminder> whats TTY?
[17:21] <Neverminder> bioterror: i'm on tty (if that's terminal on startup, accessed by ctrl+alt+F1)
[17:21] <bioterror> yes
[17:21] <bioterror> can you login from there?
[17:21] <Neverminder> it says, cant cd to '/home/myussername'
[17:22] <bioterror> nice
[17:22] <Neverminder> if i press ctrl+alt+f7
[17:22] <bioterror> when you boot
[17:22] <bioterror> you press left shift
[17:22] <bioterror> and you enter to
[17:22] <bioterror> !grub
[17:22] <Neverminder> did it
[17:23] <bioterror> and you choose that recovery mode
[17:23] <Neverminder> yes...
[17:23] <Neverminder> i did that
[17:23] <bioterror> and then you check as root what is happening under your /home
[17:24] <Neverminder> hm... by "check" you mean... do what? :)
[17:24] <bioterror> ls -la /home
[17:24] <bioterror> for example
[17:24] <Neverminder> ok
[17:28] <Neverminder> so, here's output:
[17:28] <Neverminder> first line: total 12
[17:28] <Neverminder> then:
[17:29] <bioterror> !pastebin
[17:29] <Neverminder> cant, im on anoter computer...
[17:29] <bioterror> oh well :-)
[17:29] <bioterror> go on
[17:29] <Neverminder> so...
[17:30] <Neverminder> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 (date) (time)
[17:30] <Neverminder> that was first line
[17:30] <Neverminder> with PURPLE dot in the end
[17:31] <Neverminder> second line is similar
[17:31] <Neverminder> just has drw-rw-rw- 23
[17:31] <Neverminder> and two purple dots in the end
[17:32] <Neverminder> and green box around that purple dots
[17:32] <Neverminder> third  line:
[17:33] <Neverminder> drwxr-xr-x 32 myussername myussername (numbers) myussername (text colour PURPLE
[17:33] <Neverminder> thats all bioterror
[17:33] <bioterror> drwxrwxrwx 69 sad157 sad157  4096 Nov 12 12:39 sad157
[17:33] <bioterror> that's what I have
[17:34] <Neverminder> so...  whats wrong with me? :)
[17:34] <Neverminder> i have too much...
[17:36] <bioterror> good question
[17:37] <bioterror> Neverminder, ls -la /home/myussername/.Xauthority
[17:37] <bioterror> what does it say?
[17:37] <Neverminder> just a sec
[17:39] <bioterror> ps. you can use tabkey to complete the paths
[17:40] <Neverminder> i know
[17:41] <Neverminder> here's output:
[17:41] <Neverminder> -rw------- 1 ussername ussername 50 date /home/ussername/.Xauthority
[17:41] <bioterror> (technically .Xauthority should not affect to TTY login)
[17:43] <Neverminder> i guess i locked my home directory... for me as a usser
[17:43] <Neverminder> so, is there a way to create new usser, with authorities (with grub login)
[17:44] <Neverminder> and simply access system
[17:44] <Neverminder> or fix current usser permissions
[17:44] <bioterror> sure
[17:45] <Neverminder> i remember, i did some tutorial
[17:45] <Neverminder> and i entered some chmod
[17:45] <bioterror> this sounds good
[17:45] <Neverminder> i think 666 (wtf)
[17:46] <Neverminder> so, it was something like: chmod +666 /some/path
[17:46] <Neverminder> oh, sorry, SUDO chmod...
[17:47] <bioterror> ofcourse
[17:47] <bioterror> would be nice to know this tutorial
[17:47] <Neverminder> then i recieved something like: cant open /home../sudo
[17:47] <Neverminder> huh...
[17:47] <Neverminder> wait
[17:47] <Neverminder> i think i cant find it
[17:47] <bioterror> what was it about?
[17:47] <Neverminder> i was on chrome,
[17:48] <bioterror> if you have sync
[17:48] <Neverminder> and i can login on this computer
[17:48] <Neverminder> yes!
[17:48] <Neverminder> and see history
[17:48] <Neverminder> sec
[17:48] <Unit193> ~/.bash_history
[17:48] <bioterror> yeah
[17:48] <bioterror> he can less that too
[17:48] <bioterror> but I would like to see this webpage
[17:51] <Neverminder> this will take a bit...
[17:51] <Neverminder> im on windows now (xp)
[17:52] <Neverminder> it has chrome, synced with my account
[17:52] <Neverminder> but doesnt have history
[17:52] <Neverminder> so i have to sync chromium
[17:53] <bioterror> or google like a maniac
[17:53] <bioterror> and gives the link :D
[17:55] <Neverminder> no, cant find it...
[17:55] <Neverminder> can i see list of terminal commands i typed?
[17:56] <Neverminder> ~/.bash_history?
[17:57] <bioterror> Neverminder, ~/  = home
[17:57] <Neverminder> ok, so loaded grub menu, entered terminal as root
[17:57] <Neverminder> what to type?
[17:58] <bioterror> less /home/foobar/.bash_history
[18:05] <Neverminder> no, it didnt logged it...
[18:05] <Neverminder> last log was sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[18:05] <Neverminder> I did this later
[18:05] <Neverminder> this chmod thing..
[18:06] <genii-around> If you used sudo, check /var/log/auth.log
[18:07] <Neverminder> less /var/log/auth.log?
[18:08] <genii-around> Probably more like tail -n20 /var/log/auth.log
[18:09] <Neverminder> i did it!
[18:10] <Neverminder> here's last command:
[18:10] <Neverminder>  /bin/chmod 666 / sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
[18:11] <Neverminder> then, it all happend
[18:11] <Neverminder> black screen, no picture icons, chrome crash...
[18:11] <Neverminder> and i couldnt login after restart
[18:12] <bioterror> is there really a space between / and sys?
[18:12] <Neverminder> yes
[18:13] <Neverminder> it was c/p
[18:14] <Neverminder> bioterror: http://linuxlike.blogspot.com/2012/02/controle-de-brilho-para-o-lubuntu-lxde.html
[18:14] <Neverminder> i translated it
[18:14] <Neverminder> !
[18:14] <Neverminder> that's webpage
[18:14] <bioterror> that url doesnt have / sys
[18:14] <bioterror> it has /sys/
[18:15] <Neverminder> oh... :S
[18:15] <Neverminder> so, i made a misstake... :S
[18:15] <Neverminder> but i allways do c/p
[18:16] <Neverminder> so, i did chmod 666 to / ???
[18:16] <genii-around> Apparently.
[18:16] <Neverminder> :S
[18:16] <Neverminder> fck
[18:16] <Neverminder> can I undo it?
[18:17] <genii-around> At least it wasn't with -R
[18:17] <Unit193> Indeed.
[18:17] <bioterror> drwxr-xr-x   4 root root  4096 Oct  8  2011 home
[18:18] <bioterror> what if you say ls -la /
[18:18] <bioterror> do you get same parameters for home?
[18:18] <Neverminder> i think not
[18:18] <Neverminder> just a sec
[18:18] <Neverminder> i can try again
[18:20] <Neverminder> for ls -la /
[18:20] <Neverminder> i get many lines
[18:20] <Neverminder> i recognize / folders at the end of lines
[18:20] <Neverminder> and for ls -la /home
[18:21] <Neverminder> i get those lines i sent you
[18:22] <bioterror> ls -la / |grep home
[18:22] <Neverminder> and, btw bioterror, i just saw: when you translate that page in chrome, it has space after /
[18:23] <bioterror> so it seems
[18:23] <bioterror> next time, stick with webpages in english :D
[18:24] <Neverminder> i will...
[18:24] <Neverminder> ;/
[18:24] <Neverminder> here's output:
[18:25] <Neverminder> drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 (date) (time) home (home is red)
[18:25] <bioterror> it looks the same
[18:25] <bioterror> where this chmod / has affected then?
[18:26] <Neverminder> maybe /home/ussername
[18:26] <Neverminder> ?
[18:29] <bioterror> I would backup the important stuff
[18:29] <bioterror> probably start openssh-server and use winscp for example to login there and copy the improtant stuff
[18:29] <bioterror> and reinstall
[18:30] <Neverminder> oh no... for some reason, ubiquity fails for me... for every ubuntu afret 10.10
[18:30] <Neverminder> so, i have to install maveric
[18:31] <Neverminder> and then do-release-upgrade
[18:31] <Neverminder> over and over
[18:31] <Neverminder> thats killing
[18:31] <bioterror> have you ever heard about alternate install?
[18:31] <Neverminder> heard
[18:31] <Neverminder> did it
[18:31] <Neverminder> it fails at select and install software
[18:31] <Neverminder> :)
[18:32] <Neverminder> on 16%
[18:32] <bioterror> would be good for example look for another tty where it shows all the magic behind progress bar where it fails and make a bug raport
[18:33] <Neverminder> ok, so i'm scrwd
[18:33] <Neverminder> :)
[18:33] <bioterror> hard to say
[18:33] <bioterror> you can also try the mini.iso
[18:33] <bioterror> !mini
[18:33] <Neverminder> tried...
[18:34] <Neverminder> same
[18:34] <Neverminder> even tried nomodeset
[18:35] <Neverminder> and acpi=off
[18:35] <Neverminder> i have so many issues...
[18:35] <Neverminder> lubuntu runs too slow
[18:35] <Neverminder> i cant figure out why, its made for old computers
[18:36] <Neverminder> i have create --newmode with xrandr every time
[18:36] <Neverminder> cause i cant see resolution over 800x600
[18:36] <Neverminder> and similar issues
[18:37] <Neverminder> *have to create
[18:38] <bioterror> so your computer is also "ancient"?-)
[18:38] <Neverminder> well...
[18:38] <Neverminder> its amd 2000+
[18:38] <Neverminder> 768 MB RAM
[18:38] <Neverminder> ati radeon 9000 all-in-wonder
[18:39] <Neverminder> (64MB of RAM)
[18:39] <bioterror> not that bad specs
[18:39] <Neverminder> i think so
[19:08] <chaospsychex> so i downloaded the latest lubuntu iso and when i booted it, i'm told since my cpu doesn't support PAE the kernel won't boot. Is there a NON-PAE kernel version of lubuntu ?
[19:08] <chaospsychex> it's an old thinkpad t42
[19:08] <chaospsychex> could i just swap out the kernel in the iso with a non-pae kernel ? would that work ?
[19:08] <bioterror> yay!
[19:08] <bioterror> use 12.04
[19:08] <bioterror> I have same 1.7GHz Pentium M
[19:08] <bioterror> stinkpad
[19:09] <chaospsychex> LOL stinkpad....
[19:09] <chaospsychex> yeah i need to upgrade to atleast a dual-core...
[19:09] <bioterror> I chose today between T430 and X230 ;)
[19:11] <chaospsychex> lucky you, send me one as well PLEASE! ;-p
[19:13] <bioterror> I took T430 as it has 1600x900 and better touchpad than X230 which has 1366x768 and horrible touchpad
[19:13] <chaospsychex> price ?
[19:14] <bioterror> I dunno :D
[19:15] <bioterror> but yeah, that T42 is horrible
[19:15] <chaospsychex> how much ram does lubuntu use while idle after boot ?
[19:15] <bioterror> it's painfully slow
[19:15] <bioterror> was it about ~120MB?
[19:15] <chaospsychex> have you ever used crunchbang ?
[19:15] <bioterror> I have
[19:15] <bioterror> before and after it went to debian sid
[19:15] <chaospsychex> how does lubuntu compare to it, performance/resource usage wise ?
[19:16] <bioterror> about the same
[19:16] <bioterror> I myself like more openox + tint2 ;)
[19:16] <bioterror> openbox
[19:18] <chaospsychex> yeah
[19:27] <bioterror> but I dont like debian :D
[19:40] <chaospsychex> bioterror, you don't like debian ? why ?
[20:20] <pAt_> what a difference, Lubuntu takes just 114 MB after boot without buffers and cache, Xubuntu takes 228 MB! Exactly the double!
[20:21] <bioterror> another one is lean mean and optimized
[23:06] <Neverminder> hello all
[23:06] <Neverminder> i have a problem:
[23:06] <Neverminder> i have ubuntu 11.10 with lubuntu-desktop
[23:06] <Neverminder> i wanted to change brightness
[23:07] <Neverminder> so i followed forum (on portugese, so google chrome translated it to eng.)
[23:07] <Neverminder> and i c/p comand /bin/chmod 666 /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness
[23:08] <Neverminder> just, after translation, it become /bin/chmod 666 / sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness (space ater ...666 /)
[23:08] <Neverminder> so, i guess i've chmoded /
[23:09] <Neverminder> after that, i lost desktop (it went black), all icons (became white pictures)
[23:09] <Neverminder> i rebooted, but cant start gui, it dropped to terminal
[23:10] <Neverminder> and when i tried to login, it says something like: cant cd to /home/myussername
[23:10] <Neverminder> anyone can help? im on live session (10.10) now
[23:11] <Neverminder> btw, one friend tried to help, he wanted me to: sudo su -    then fdisk -l
[23:11] <Neverminder> but it gave no output at all
[23:11] <Neverminder> also, no output of ls -l /dev/{sd*,hd*}
[23:11] <Neverminder> just error message
[23:12] <Neverminder> anyone, please help...
[23:19] <genii-around> Neverminder: Almost all directories in / should be 755.   /root should be 700, /sys is 555
[23:49] <lubuntu> Hey you guys -- I have some quick feedback
[23:49] <lubuntu> put it in a wishlist or bug report
[23:50] <Guest40573> I just spent 5 minutes disconnecting and reconnecting to my network because the gray bars in the wireless icon make it seem like I'm disconnected
[23:50] <Guest40573> the grey bars should be black
[23:50] <Guest40573> because that's how apple does it, and when it is gray, it looks disconnected
[23:51] <Guest40573> so yeah
[23:51] <Guest40573> just make those bars a little bit darker, (forward this to the graphics person)
[23:51] <Guest40573> That, and have the context menu say "connected to [SSID]
[23:52] <Guest40573> because all it says is "disconnect"
[23:52] <Guest40573> which makes me think
[23:52] <Guest40573> I am disconnected
[23:52] <Guest40573> yep
[23:52] <Guest40573> IdleOne: tell them to do that, this is semitones :p