[01:28] <nhandler> For the UDS videos, are they still getting copied over to the ubuntudevelopers account? Or is the raw google hangout video (i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcixq-kcF7s&feature=plcp) the final home?
[07:08] <bkerensa> hola buenos noches  chilicuil
[07:10] <chilicuil> hola bkerensa, buenas noches 8)
[07:11] <bkerensa> como estas?
[07:11] <chilicuil> bkerensa: muy bien, preparandome para ir a dormir, a ti como te va?
[07:12] <bkerensa> chilicuil: trabajando en los bugs
[07:12] <bkerensa> :)
[07:13] <chilicuil> bkerensa: que genial, estamos teniendo unos hangouts para hacerlo en equipo, tal vez te interese participar en el proximo, será el dia jueves 15 de nov
[07:15] <bkerensa> chilicuil: maybe when I get back from vacation... Jueves mi ocupado
[07:17] <chilicuil> bkerensa: got it, np, when you have a little of time, feel free to join us, we've shedule regular meetings, every tuesday, thursday and saturday at 9pm utc-6
[07:17] <chilicuil> bkerensa: have fun in your holidays =)
[07:17] <bkerensa> chilicuil: you know they have a Latin America Open Source G+ Hangout?
[07:18] <chilicuil> bkerensa: no, I've no idea
[07:18] <bkerensa> Fedora/Mozilla and a few other communities do it... mostly people from brasil... argentina... peru... etc
[07:18] <bkerensa> :)
[07:19] <chilicuil> bkerensa: wow, that sounds cool, I'll check it out
[07:42] <Tm_T> good morning community
[07:43] <bkerensa> Good Morning Tm_T
[07:58] <dholbach> good morning
[08:13] <bkerensa> dholbach: morning!
[08:15] <dholbach> hi bkerensa
[08:16] <bkerensa> dholbach: :s ubuntu-dev-tools is bugging
[08:16] <bkerensa> ;p
[08:16] <dholbach> how about filing a bug about it? :-)
[08:17] <bkerensa> dholbach: oh I did... apparently slangasek filed a bug about the issue awhile back but it disappeared and so is now re-filed :) basically submittodebian is adding stuff to diff that is not actually being changed
[08:17] <bkerensa> :D
[08:17] <bkerensa> and so its making upstream cranky
[08:17] <bkerensa> :D
[08:18] <dholbach> ok
[08:33] <AlanBell> who knows about steam and games and stuff?
[08:34] <AlanBell> enough to talk to the IRC ops team about how people with games issues should be supported
[08:34] <Tm_T> +1
[08:34] <jussi> AlanBell: well popey always seems to be taling about it on social media... :P: P
[08:38] <bkerensa> AlanBell: Considering Steam is not in our repos we should be directing them to the resources valve provides to beta testers which is the forums they get access to if they are a beta tester imo
[08:39] <bkerensa> If the issue is determined to not be a result of steam but instead one of the packages the Desktop Team is working on to support Steam in Ubuntu then a bug should be filed on the package
[08:41] <Tm_T> bkerensa: bug isn't user support though
[08:41] <Tm_T> "don't talk, just go file a bug" is rather non-helping approach
[08:43] <popey> individual games in steam often have support links...
[08:43] <bkerensa> Tm_T: Sure. We  should direct them to the support resources valve offers if its Steam but if its related to a Ubuntu package a bug should be filed
[08:43] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1357483/  for example
[08:44] <Tm_T> bkerensa: what I'm trying to say is if it's related to ubuntu and not clearly valve issue, I wonder where to direct people to discuss their problem, it isn't always a bug
[08:44] <bkerensa> Tm_T: If it is related to Ubuntu would #Ubuntu not be the appropriate place to provide support?
[08:45] <Tm_T> bkerensa: not if it's not supported product (:
[08:46] <Tm_T> I would bet in most cases it's not clear if it's Valve to blame or something we should do (without actual support?)
[08:46] <bkerensa> Tm_T: They will still get errors
[08:46] <Tm_T> should we support anything related to Steam anyway?
[08:46] <knome> no (:
[08:47] <bkerensa> Tm_T: well the steam package still uses Ubuntu Packages.... so we should always be willing to support packages in our repos even if they are dependencies of a third party application
[08:47] <bkerensa> imo
[08:47] <Tm_T> bkerensa: ofcourse
[08:48] <Tm_T> but in user support, the line isn't that simple necessarily
[08:48] <bkerensa> I think the defining line is going to be whether the user can provide a error from a log or a crash message
[08:48]  * Tm_T might be making this more complicated than necessary
[08:48] <bkerensa> nah
[08:48] <bkerensa> :)
[08:48] <bkerensa> the discussion is good to have
[08:48] <bkerensa> considering this is something that more and more users will be using
[08:49] <knome> Tm_T, you should keep your blog updated :]
[08:49] <Tm_T> knome: I should /:
[08:49] <knome> Tm_T, and you should make the blog posts page the default page for the site
[08:49] <bkerensa> AlanBell: I might suggest asking bryceh he is one of the key people from the Desktop Team working directly with Valve
[08:51] <popey> do we support desura?
[08:51] <Tm_T> so basicly anything related to actually using Steam is out of our scope, we only deal with (supported) dependencies itself?
[08:52] <bkerensa> popey: not currently their source has a mess of non-free code and licensing issues atm
[08:52] <Tm_T> knome: hmm, I'm unsure about that
[08:52] <popey> i dont mean from a code pov
[08:52] <Tm_T> knome: I've been considering including the newest post to main page though
[08:52] <popey> i mean, desura == steam really
[08:53] <knome> Tm_T, why? now you're just serving a static page and everybody who comes back to your site needs to click on the blog posts link :)
[08:53] <popey> it's a portal to buy games, and if we support one we should support the other IMO
[08:53] <bkerensa> popey: no we do not currently support steam
[08:53] <bkerensa> eck
[08:53] <bkerensa> desure*
[08:54] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:56] <knome> Tm_T, maybe
[09:00] <Tm_T> knome: talking about blog, I made radical changes to theme /:
[09:27] <AlanBell> thanks bkerensa, a name was all I was after at the moment :)
[09:47] <dholbach> dpm, so no team meeting today I guess ;-)
[09:48] <dpm> ha!
[09:49] <dpm> bacon 2.0 on the way!
[09:49] <dholbach> dpm, I guess I'll have to wait until my specs get approved :)
[09:50] <dpm> dholbach, mine are also waiting approval, but I've never had a problem with having less work to do ;)
[09:51] <dholbach> I'm not sure that's how it works :)
[09:51] <czajkowski> lol
[09:51] <dpm> one can always dream
[09:51] <dholbach> yeah
[09:52] <dholbach> dpm, nice mix
[09:52] <dholbach> I'm just a few minutes in, but I like the tunes
[09:53] <dpm> dholbach, cool, I'm glad. The main mission is that people enjoy it, I had my share of fun playing it already :)
[09:57] <dholbach> I'm likely going to play in 2 weeks again too
[09:58] <czajkowski> ah yay more new tunes
[09:58] <dholbach> no DnB or Dubstep, but more likely like the last two mixes I put online
[10:20] <dholbach> dpm, where do you get all the tunes?
[10:20] <dholbach> danilos, zdravo!
[10:21] <danilos> dholbach, zdravo-zdravo :)
[10:29] <dpm> dholbach, different places: http://bandcamp.com or http://ohsoswing.com for the modern bands. For older bands the u1 music store or amazon. Also from CDs that are not online but that I get when we go to festivals. My favourites ones are from street bands: you always get a burned CD with a paper case from them :)
[10:29] <dpm> often from the extremely cheap kind of CD-R, where you cannot tell which side you should put on the player
[10:29] <czajkowski> heh so true
[10:29] <dholbach> haha
[10:30] <dpm> :)
[10:30] <dholbach> one thing I do a lot is use soundcloud.com follow artists I like and see which songs they favourite from other artists, and in no time you have a big network of artists which give you lots of new stuff to play with :)
[10:31] <dpm> dholbach, ah, yes, soundcloud too. I start following them too, and if I'm lucky they put their music on sale on bandcamp
[13:28]  * jokerdino pokes AskUbuntu.
[13:30] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:47] <jcastro_> hey dpm
[13:47] <jcastro_> http://91.189.93.108/
[13:48] <jcastro_> dpm: Got time to show me a few things? Mostly like the menus and stuff
[13:56] <dpm> jcastro_, sure, but let me check if the consumer apps team call starting in 5 mins is on first. Otherwise we can talk straight away
[13:57] <jcastro_> I am stumbling around and finding things, by the time you are done I'll have enough questions. :)
[14:00] <dpm> ok, cool :)
[14:08] <dpm> ok, jcastro_, whenever you want, let's do it!
[14:22]  * dpm lunches, bbl
[15:44] <dpm> so Baby Jack Taylor Bacon is there!
[15:46] <cjohnston> yay
[15:47] <czajkowski> as other channels are saying, Baby back bacon has arrived :)
[15:49] <czajkowski> dpm: all ready for you https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/211651
[15:49] <czajkowski> we did it a lot faster this time :)
[15:49] <dpm> czajkowski, indeed, thanks
[16:03] <cprofitt> woot!!
[16:04] <cprofitt> do we know if baby bacon is a boy or a girl?
[16:04] <pleia2> Jack Taylor Bacon sounds like a boy :)
[16:04] <cprofitt> Yes, that it does
[16:04] <cprofitt> did not see the name...
[16:08] <cprofitt> now the quest for bacon sleep will begin
[17:00] <dholbach> alright my friends - see you all tomorrow :)
[18:10] <jcastro_> AlanBell:
[18:11] <jcastro_> http://91.189.93.108/
[18:11] <jcastro_> thoughts?
[18:12] <AlanBell> it works
[18:12]  * AlanBell reads
[18:13] <jcastro_> tl;dr; I am sick of moin
[18:13] <jcastro_> so I stole developer.u.c
[18:13] <AlanBell> fair enough
[18:13] <jcastro_> and you always have a keen eyeball ...
[18:14] <AlanBell> moin is good if you want other people to do the work, anything else is better if you want it done properly
[18:14] <jcastro_> The ~charmers team will have access to modify the content
[18:16] <jcastro_> AlanBell: I am aware Resources i basically empty crap and "Charm Store" links to a totally unintegrated site.
[18:16] <AlanBell> http://91.189.93.108/wp-content/themes/ubuntudeveloperportal/img/pattern-featured.gif is that supposed to be like the border on the dash?
[18:17] <AlanBell> that is the background around the "Our best Juju Charms" box
[18:18] <jcastro_> Pretty sure
[18:18] <jcastro_> looks like the same as used on developer.ubuntu.com
[18:19] <AlanBell> cool, it is nice but not part of the official brand guidelines as such I think
[18:19] <AlanBell> I want them to have more guidelines for web apps and that would be a good element to incorporate
[18:20] <AlanBell> right now the website brand guidelines are for making something that looks like an Ubuntu website
[18:20] <AlanBell> what I want is a web application that looks like it belongs on the Ubuntu desktop as much as a local native application does
[18:20] <AlanBell> but anyhow, your juju site looks fine to me
[18:21] <jcastro_> <3
[18:21] <AlanBell> I really like the way the charm store exposes the documentation like github does, and like launchpad doesn't
[18:22] <jcastro_> oh, the readme bits?
[18:22] <AlanBell> yeah
[18:22] <jcastro_> yeah, that is 100% stolen from github, it forces people to have a good README if it's really your project's homepage
[18:23] <AlanBell> launchpad should completely steal that and extend it so that every project has a documentation section that is served up from the bzr tree
[18:24] <AlanBell> with juju, is there anything for maintaining multiple separate infrastructures yet?
[18:26] <jcastro_> sure, that's always been there
[18:26] <jcastro_> as long as they're not mixed.
[18:26] <AlanBell> by which I mean, as a consultancy firm, can you have multiple customers, all using a juju setup and do interesting things across them all, and individually
[18:26] <jcastro_> yeah, multiple environments, we do that
[18:26] <AlanBell> ok, cool
[18:26] <jcastro_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65364/how-can-i-configure-multiple-deployment-environments-for-juju
[18:27] <jcastro_> so the headers under environments: it would be like "customer-one:" and so one
[18:27] <jcastro_> then you do like "juju deploy -ecustomer-one mysql"
[18:27] <jcastro_> and so on
[18:27] <AlanBell> ah right
[18:27] <AlanBell> that is kind of a good use-case to have as an example
[18:28]  * jcastro_ fixes
[18:31] <mhall119> jcastro_: is there an env variable you can set, soyou don't have to specify in every command
[18:31] <jcastro_> yeah
[18:31] <jcastro_> I don't know what it is offhand
[18:31] <jcastro_> post it on AU and I can look at it in a minute
[18:34] <mhall119> jcastro_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/217231/how-can-i-make-juju-use-the-same-environment-without-specifying-it-on-each-comma
[19:14] <bkerensa> JanC: So the UDS invites go out here in the next day or so :) I guess the people who got early invites were on a special list
[19:14] <bkerensa> Hopefully today they will go out
[19:18] <knome> christoffer, sorry, i'm a bit late
[19:19] <knome> christoffer, but here i am :)
[19:21] <christoffer> #ubuntu-nordic knome
[19:35] <jcastro_> mhall119: ah nuts
[19:35] <jcastro_> I bzr'ed all wp-content instead of just the theme
[19:36] <jcastro_> do you think that will be a problem?
[19:38] <mhall119> jcastro_: it'll mean you're stuck with that version of the WP code
[19:38] <mhall119> it'll probably be bad
[19:38] <mhall119> in unknowable ways
[19:38] <mhall119> oh, wait, only wp-content/
[19:38] <mhall119> that's probably okay
[19:39] <mhall119> it'll be themes + plugins
[19:39] <mhall119> at least all the uploaded content is somewhere else
[19:39] <jcastro_> nod
[19:40] <jcastro_> should I just redo it to be the theme dir?
[19:42] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: wrt to the wp charm, it expects the wp-content directory
[19:43] <marcoceppi> if that helps push a decision one way or the other
[19:43] <jcastro_> yeah
[19:43] <jcastro_> since we didn't juju deploy it I never used that
[19:43]  * marcoceppi nod
[19:47] <jcastro_> well, either way I don't think it'll be a problem for IS to get the content
[21:59] <jcastro_> mhall119: hey, can you do a mysqldump on the instance when you get a chance?
[22:02] <jcastro_> actually, if you can cron it to scp the dump over to another box like people.u.c so we have that that would be swell
[22:03] <mhall119> heh, sorry 'bout that
[22:04] <jcastro_> no worries
[22:05] <jcastro_> the networking glitched on canonistack and I skipped a heartbeat there for a sec, heh
[22:11] <mhall119> jcastro_: I can get dumps taken via cron, but not scp'd to people.u.c
[22:12] <mhall119> jcastro_: you can get them from http://91.189.93.108/dbdumps/ now though
[22:14] <marcoceppi> jcastro_: I've got a cron set up to just rsync that entire HTTP directory to another server for now
[22:14] <mhall119> marcoceppi: I symlinks the dbdumps folder under the wordpress root
[22:15] <mhall119> jcastro_: how often do you want it to take dbdumps?