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kokoye2007Hello12:10
head_victimGood evening12:12
head_victimI'm trying to rustle up some other members for the meeting12:12
kokoye2007cyphermox:12:12
kokoye2007hello12:12
kokoye2007thx head_victim12:13
kokoye2007Destine:  Hello12:13
kokoye2007Pendulum: I am here :D12:14
Destinekokoye2007, hey12:15
Destinekokoye2007, anything i can help?12:15
kokoye2007micahg:  also there :D12:15
kokoye2007Destine: today is meeting day 2nd Wed ?12:15
Destinekokoye2007, nope, the next meeting will be Nov 21st.12:16
kokoye2007@_@12:16
meetingologykokoye2007: Error: "_@" is not a valid command.12:16
kokoye2007opps12:16
kokoye2007last meeting is 7th Nov ? Destine ?12:17
Destinekokoye2007, sorry i got confused now...12:18
kokoye2007i am wait at 7th Nov but say next week X_X12:19
Destinekokoye2007, i was here last time...12:20
kokoye2007so i am wait to next meeting ? 21 Nov Destine and head_victim12:21
head_victimkokoye2007: sorry mate, we're trying to work out why the 2 statements on the wiki are conflicting. I thought it was this week but apparently others didn't.12:22
head_victimTrying to see where the breakdown was.12:22
Destinekokoye2007, we are figuring this out, sorry.12:22
kokoye2007sorry for distribute bro, i really don't know so sorry12:22
kokoye2007ok see you next wed day Destine and head_victim  thx for your reply12:25
Destinekokoye2007, sorry for the inconvenience...12:27
head_victimkokoye2007: we'll email all the applicants when we've sorted out what's happening so you don't keep turning up and no one is here12:29
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sbhwballoons stary the meeting pls14:02
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ogra_boo16:00
cjwatsonhi - do we have slangasek today?16:00
* barry waves16:00
stokachu<('o')>16:02
xnoxyeah, barry =)16:03
barry#endmeeting16:04
barryoh darn16:04
xnoxthis weeks kernel team meeting lasted 6 minutes.16:04
xnox=))))16:05
ogra_slackers !"16:05
barry"<barry> #endmeeting  [11:04]"16:05
barrywe win16:05
xnoxogra_: I think they had pre-arranged pasties ready.16:05
* ogra_ has that too16:06
* barry thought you said "rearranged pasties" which is an entirely different thing16:06
cjwatsonSomebody whose copy-and-paste isn't irritatingly broken please chair, then, and we'll get this over with :)16:06
xnoxand all took a quick 5 minute break between git-bisections16:06
jodhxnox: I thought they survived on liquids?!?16:06
* cjwatson spies an en_GB vs. en_US difference ...16:06
barry#startmeeting16:06
meetingologyMeeting started Wed Nov 14 16:06:47 2012 UTC.  The chair is barry. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.16:06
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barry#topic lightning round16:07
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round
barryi don't have the list, so how 'bouts we go alphabetical?16:07
xnoxgo barry =)16:07
barrybug 1076107 (upgrade requests to 0.14.2); reviewed ~mvo fix for bug 1071388; bug 846044 (dbus-python re-upload to quantal-proposed); bug 1029094 (replace simplejson with json in ubuntuone-control-panel); bug 1076186 (raring, and quantal sru ubuntu-release-upgrader); python-oauthlib upgrade to 0.3.2-0ubuntu1, and then to 0.3.3-0ubuntu1; debian bug 664759 (packaging for python-tox); bug 1077083 (oauth->oauthlib for piston-mini-client, in16:07
barryprogress); virtualenv 1.8.2 (in progress); patch piloting (see previous report); blueprints and other work items for raring; various system administration tasks (upgrades, repairs, nexus7 installation).   done.16:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076107 in requests (Debian) "Upgrade to new upstream version 0.14.2" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107610716:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1071388 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "UnicodeDecodeError in askYesNoQuestion of DistUpgradeViewText.py" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107138816:07
barrybut you already knew ^^16:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 846044 in dbus-python (Ubuntu Quantal) "software-center crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in get_dbus_message(): 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xfc' in position 65: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/84604416:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1029094 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu Raring) "Replace simplejson with json" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102909416:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076186 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "not possible to upgrade to raring" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107618616:07
cjwatsonhttps://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/always-copy-packages-asynchronously-2/+merge/13192816:07
cjwatsonoops16:07
cjwatsonhttps://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/always-copy-packages-asynchronously-2/+merge/13192816:08
cjwatsonARGH16:08
* xnox thinks security team does a baton. Once you finish yours you get to pick who is next.16:08
cjwatsonFixed crazy python-apt test failure.16:08
cjwatsonMade intermittent progress on Secure Boot backports for 12.04.2.  Still more to do.16:08
barryno worries, i'm done :)16:08
cjwatsonBackported upstream fix for rare data corruption in cp/mv/install (bug 1073514).16:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1073514 in coreutils (Ubuntu Quantal) "cp, mv, install: data loss due to free memory read" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107351416:08
cjwatsonTweaked raring images to include only a signed kernel, and generate the unsigned kernel from it.16:08
cjwatsonSpent a good deal of time babysitting proposed-migration, image builds, and the like.  The initial flood of minor problems seems to be tailing off now.16:08
cjwatsonWorking on a cross-autobuilder so that we can test armhf cross-building at scale; taking the opportunity to learn juju.  Nothing to show just yet but I think I'm fairly close to having a working wanna-build charm.16:08
* bdmurray waits16:08
cjwatson..16:08
cjwatson*that's* better16:08
cjwatsonOh drat sorry Brian16:08
cjwatsongo ahead :)16:08
xnoxcjwatson: with or without forking/using sbuild charm?16:08
bdmurraySRU verification of bug 106799316:09
bdmurraySRU uploads (lucid and precise) for unattended-upgrades bug 93687016:09
bdmurraysponsored SRU uploads for bug 1013798 (later rejected)16:09
bdmurraysponsored quantal, raring, precise, oneiric fixes for bug 87543516:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1067993 in vim (Ubuntu Raring) "Add 'raring' to the list of recognized Ubuntu release names" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106799316:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 936870 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Precise) "unattended upgrade failing due to incorrectly detected conffile prompt due to "newconffile" line" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93687016:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1013798 in libgcrypt11 (Ubuntu Quantal) "Blink SIP client segfaults with libgcrypt11 1.5.0-3ubuntu0.1" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/101379816:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 875435 in OEM Priority Project precise "iBus indicator does not show on the panel" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/87543516:09
bdmurrayreported bug 1076186 regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader16:09
bdmurrayreported bug 1076472 regarding errors and bucket subscriptions16:09
bdmurrayinvestigation into update-manager / u-r-u crash reporting process for dist-upgrades16:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076186 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "not possible to upgrade to raring" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107618616:09
cjwatsonxnox: currently, using it with a minor tweak16:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076472 in Errors "notifications regarding current bucket counts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107647216:09
bdmurrayreported apport bug 1077253 regarding ExecutableTimestamp issue16:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1077253 in apport (Ubuntu) "possible for ExecutableTimestamp to not be for the binary in ExecutablePath" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107725316:09
bdmurraymodifying bug bot to comment on pending SRUs still needing verification16:09
bdmurrayupdated SRU wiki page with self-verification information16:09
bdmurrayupdated meta-release-development with raring information16:09
bdmurrayone holiday too16:09
bdmurray⁂ done⁂16:09
xnoxcjwatson: ack. I had minor tweaks to it locally as well.... maybe I should push them somewhere.16:09
barryxnox: +116:09
ogra_*shudder* winter UTF16:09
cjwatsonxnox: mine is to install and configure the buildd package as well (which I haven't finished doing)16:10
xnoxcjwatson: mine was to use $storage_location with default to /mnt as this were one usually gets the gigleybytes of scratch space.16:10
cjwatsonI could use that, please pass me the patch :)16:10
xnoxs/this were/this is where/16:10
barryi guess doko_ is up next?16:10
doko_ouch16:11
doko_I'll go last, lost in hacking ...16:11
barryis ev around?16:11
barryf...g...h...i...16:12
stokachuigloo!16:13
* ogra_ is happy to go, but i think jodh is first16:13
jodh* upstart:16:13
jodh  * Wrote user sessions spec (comments welcome):16:13
jodh    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions16:13
jodh  * Updates to stateful re-exec branch after review comments (thanks slangasek)16:13
jodh  * Final testing16:13
jodh  * Preparing for 1.6 release16:13
jodh  * investigating bug 107597616:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1075976 in upstart (Ubuntu) "test-suite fails in autopkgtest environment" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107597616:13
jodh* TODO16:13
jodh*** Upstart 1.6 release and raring upload16:13
jodh  * precise SRU for bug 98091716:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job [SRU]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/98091716:13
jodh  * start work on Enhanced User Sessions16:13
jodh¡16:13
jodh 16:13
ogra_done:16:14
ogra_ * got a chromebook \o/, runs awesome with raring16:14
ogra_ * blocked on linux-nexus7 being stuck in new since a week16:14
ogra_ * blocked on completely missing arm livefs builder (seems to be hard to fix without taking all arm machines in the DC out of business)16:14
ogra_ * extended ac100-tarball-installer to support nexus7 (i'll rename it soon as well)16:14
ogra_ * fixed issues with live-build that i found with manually rolled images16:14
ogra_ * looked into plymouth breakage on devices that have i.e. console= or console=none on the kernel cmdline16:14
ogra_todo:16:14
ogra_ * merges16:14
ogra_ * flash-kernel bugfixes16:14
ogra_ * finally get the nexus7 images going16:14
ogra_ * set up a regular meeting for discussing the remaining WIs of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram16:14
ogra_..16:14
xnoxogra_: me +1 on the meeting.16:14
ogra_yeah, its a WI i have :)16:15
stgraber - Networking16:15
stgraber  - Merged iproute from experimental as some people want the new upstream to try some bufferbloat fixes.16:15
stgraber - Container16:15
stgraber  - Rebased staging branch on upstream master.16:15
stgraber  - Reviewed all outstandings merge proposals and bugs, now down to 0 MP and 0 bugs on github (sourceforge and launchpad are another story).16:15
stgraber  - Fixed daily builds.16:15
stgraber  - Split templates to a new lxc-templates package.16:15
stgraber  - Changed lxc-create to support being given the full path to a template.16:15
stgraber  - Completed switch to docbook2x for the manpage generation.16:15
stgraber  - Change upstream build to use -Wall -Werror and fixed outstanding warnings so that it builds fine on all supported Ubuntu versions.16:15
stgraber - Post-UDS16:15
stgraber  - Did some spec drafting and dumped some remaining work items in some existing blueprints.16:15
stgraber - QA Tracker16:15
stgraber  - Finished changes to support storing the manifest in the tracker and landed the changes.16:15
stgraber  - Updated ubuntu-archive-tools to use the upstream python-qatracker module, fix a bunch of bugs and be more consistent.16:15
stgraber  - Updated nusakan to post the Chinese images directly to the localized ISO tracker.16:15
stgraber  - Fixed the 404/403 handling that was the top crasher for the ISO tracker (though not user visible).16:15
stgraber  - Fixed high priority bug in the add_build code, will land later today.16:15
stgraber  - Started some optimization work for the tracker.16:15
stgraber - TODO16:16
stgraber  - Doing some more optimization and bugfixes for the tracker.16:16
stgraber  - Some UI improvements for series/milestone on the tracker.16:16
stgraber  - Try to generate https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes from nusakan.16:16
stgraber  - Look at jodh's upstart specs.16:16
stgraber(DONE)16:16
stokachubug 1068723 - would like to personally have some traction on this one16:16
stokachubug 669481 - needing oneiric sponsorship16:16
stokachubug 979003 - Status on SRU verification?16:16
stokachu- Dealing with issues from other channels this week, nothing else needing16:16
stokachuimmediate Foundations attention.16:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1068723 in Precise Backports "Please backport pbuilder-scripts 17 (universe) from quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106872316:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 669481 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Timeout should not be -1 if $recordfail" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66948116:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 979003 in eglibc (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libc incorrectly detects AVX support" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/97900316:16
stokachuoh, and trying to fix this wireless issue with my laptop, posted on -tech if anyone is bored :\16:16
stokachu(done)16:16
* xnox will take stokachu's requests. As I kind of missed my uds time pilot time.16:17
stokachuthe libc one is mainly for infinity, though not sure if he's doing that anymore16:17
xnoxack.16:17
stokachuxnox: thanks :D16:17
stgraberI don't think we have anyone in the foundations team that's also in the backports team? (if we do, I wouldn't mind someone reviewing my libseccomp backport ;))16:18
xnoxwill try to do them today.16:18
micahgstgraber: I'll take a look16:18
xnoxstgraber: well I was told, "if you follow the procedure, launchpad allows you to upload"16:18
stgrabermicahg: thanks16:18
cjwatsonxnox: for grub2, could you please make sure it goes into lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/oneiric/grub2/oneiric rather than lp:ubuntu/oneiric/grub216:18
stgrabermicahg: it's a required build-dep for my future lxc backport16:18
cjwatson?16:18
xnoxcjwatson: sure.16:19
cjwatsonMight involve extracting the patch and applying by hand16:19
barryxnox: i *think* you're up next16:19
cjwatsonta16:19
xnox* doko and I dropped python3.2 from the archive (remaining package rebuilds)16:19
xnox* help track down ubiquity's eglibc/python3.3 breakage (thanks cjwatson & doko)16:19
xnox  this also affected usb-creator (bug 1076305)16:19
xnox* python3 only on cd:16:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076305 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "plat-x86_64-linux-gnu does not define limits.h variables any more" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107630516:19
xnox  - drop ndiswrapper from seeds16:19
xnox  - upload python3: pyasn1, usb-creator16:19
stokachuthose bugs aren't mine but if you have questions just let me know and ill talk to the right people16:19
xnox  - port gnome-sudoku (bug 1078720)16:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1078720 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) "gnome-sudoku: port to python3" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107872016:19
xnox  - concerned about python-reportlab, -imaging and hence hplip not16:19
xnox    being ported.16:19
xnox* Merges:16:19
xnoxhmm....16:19
xnox* doko and I dropped python3.2 from the archive (remaining package rebuilds)16:20
xnox* help track down ubiquity's eglibc/python3.3 breakage (thanks cjwatson & doko)16:20
xnox  this also affected usb-creator (bug 1076305)16:20
xnox* python3 only on cd:16:20
xnox  - drop ndiswrapper from seeds16:20
xnox  - upload python3: pyasn1, usb-creator16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1076305 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "plat-x86_64-linux-gnu does not define limits.h variables any more" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107630516:20
xnox  - port gnome-sudoku (bug 1078720)16:20
xnox  - concerned about python-reportlab, -imaging and hence hplip not16:20
xnox    being ported.16:20
xnox* Merges:16:20
xnox  - some (my TIL) partman-*16:20
xnox  - autofs, cryptsetup, btrfs-tools, shadow (stuck in proposed on bug 1077484)16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1077484 in shadow (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libsemanage (shadow's rdep to continue SELinux support in shadow)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107748416:20
xnox* Devices FS:16:20
xnox  - include nilfs modules in the initramfs, helps with root on16:20
xnox    nilfs. (bug 771736)16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 771736 in nilfs-tools (Ubuntu) "please include nilfs2 in hook-functions" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/77173616:20
xnox  - tested and uploaded android-tools-fsutils for sparse image16:20
xnox    generation16:20
xnox  - packaged flashbench (bug 1078488) linaro's utility that helps16:20
barryxnox: wasn't there a work item to see if reportlab can be dropped from task:ubuntu-desktop?16:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1078488 in Ubuntu "flashbench" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107848816:20
xnox    discovering flash media alignment to improve filesystem alignment16:20
xnox    and I/O performance on eMMC / SD / usb-sticks.16:20
xnox  - pulled f2fs patches into ubuntu-kernel fork and asked ogasawara to16:20
xnox    build f2fs kernels for x86 & arm (panda, ac100, nexus7) for16:21
xnox    benchmarking against nilfs. Idea is to improve boot speed &16:21
xnox    performance on nexus7. (not sure if I can build it as dkms module?!)16:21
xnox* Ongoing design discussions around ubiquity UX concepts16:21
xnox* bug fixing from ubiquity usability mini-study (3 participants)16:21
xnox* Drafting blueprints / fixing up work items.16:21
xnoxbarry: i think it was merely a request from doko at the session. not sure if it was put down as a work-item.16:21
* ogra_ wonders if xnox works to close to ev recently16:21
doko_Streber ;-P16:21
barryxnox: nod.  i'll take a look again at the spec16:21
xnoxogra_: well.... ev was missing, so I had to make up.16:22
ogra_heh16:22
xnoxdoko_: ?16:22
doko_- rebuilds to drop python3.2 extensions16:22
doko_- split out libstdc++-dev packages in gcc16:22
doko_- let g++ search in multiarch directories16:22
doko_- gcc linaro merge16:22
doko_- build some x32 packages16:22
doko_- merges16:22
doko_- run an archive scan to search for asm files (arm64 prep work for kiko)16:22
doko_- fix my desktop computer, new hard disk and additional ram16:22
doko_- started working on python3-imaging16:22
doko_(done)16:22
xnoxinteresting =))))16:23
barrydoko_, xnox thanks for the 3.2 drop!16:23
xnoxdoko_: sell python3-imaging port to reportlab ;-)16:23
barryyes, please :)16:23
barrydid we miss anybody who's here today?16:24
doko_not yet done, I'll wait for the pillow 1.8 release16:24
xnoxmore rdeps?16:24
barry#topic bugs16:25
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: bugs
barrybdmurray: what have you got for us today?16:25
bdmurraywell bug 1077267 could use a better home but I'm not sure where16:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1077267 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Setting language localization doesn't set system-wide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107726716:26
evsoz16:27
xnoxogra_: on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 there are a couple of failed kernel upgrades on ac10016:28
barryev: wanna give us your update?16:28
ogra_xnox, yeah, i just added a fix for that today16:28
ogra_xnox, sadly it isnt backportable without respinning the images16:28
ogra_(for 12.10)16:29
barrybdmurray: i added a comment on the bug, but don't really know of a better place for it16:29
xnoxalso bug 1075422... I could cherry pick the patch, but then I'll be TIL.... who is merging initramfs-tools? last one was cherry pick, not merge.16:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1075422 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "unable to read /tmp/mkinitramfs_*" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107542216:29
evbarry: sure16:30
ogra_xnox, workaround for the ac100 ones is sudo apt-get install abootimg16:30
ev- Further debugging on juju rabbitmq issues:16:30
ev  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2012-November/001998.html16:30
ev  Clint mentioned on IRC that he thinks it's a juju issue. Started talking16:30
ev  through it with Kapil, who's kindly looking into it.16:30
ev- Wrote an anatomy of a crash section to the error tracker specification as16:30
ev  part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1078393.16:30
ev- Looking into using LXC under juju. Unfortunately this is far too slow in my16:30
ev  development VM.16:30
ev- Uploaded fix for bug 993056 to Raring, working on Precise and Quantal now.16:30
ev- More Ubuntu shop USB key nightmares.16:30
ev(done)16:30
ogra_and then re-run update-initramfs16:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1078393 in Errors "We could do better at the "typo test"" [Undecided,New]16:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 993056 in activity-log-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) ""Privacy" > "Diagnostics" > "Send error reports" can't be turned on or off" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/99305616:30
xnoxogra_: hmm... can we make abootimg a pre-depend on the ac100 kernel package of something?16:31
ogra_xnox, the tarball installer installs it, but it didnt mark it as manually installed until today16:31
cjwatsonUSB key> not again.  what happened this time?16:32
ogra_so update-manager removes it on release upgrades16:32
* xnox is sad16:32
ogra_todays upload fixes that, but backporting wont help unless we would respin ac100 12.1016:32
xnoxno thanks.16:32
ogra_since the traball installer is only used during unpacking16:32
ogra_and removes itself at the end16:33
barrybdmurray: any other bugs to look at?16:34
bdmurrayyes bug 1077551 seems rather serious16:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1077551 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Installing Machinarium removes the desktop" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107755116:34
bdmurrayits not really incomplete as ted has replied16:34
* xnox wonders if Machinarium is something that is used in manufacturing nightmare usb sticks shipped to ev.16:36
bdmurraybut nothing jumped out at me16:36
barrycool16:36
barry#topic aob16:36
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: aob
evxnox: mostly just suppliers ignoring our instructions16:37
xnoxev: *sigh*16:37
evtotes16:37
barryfwiw, i have one desktop on raring already, though not my main dev box yet.  upgrade went w/o a hitch and everything is running smoothly so far.  i love the new workflow.16:37
barryanybody have anything today?16:38
* ogra_ upgraded the chromebook to raring without any flaws but known plymouth issues16:38
barrycan the nexus7 run raring?16:38
stgrabermy main machine, dev machine and pandaboards are all on raring, haven't seen anything blow up yet, though I just got a new kernel that I haven't booted yet :)16:39
ogra_and i didnt notice that i'm running llvmpipe for the whole weekend !16:39
ogra_it *that* powerful16:39
cjwatsonI think I'm one branch away from being able to remove delayed copies from LP, and then probably actually being able to understand the copy code16:39
ogra_*it's16:39
ogra_barry, it should if you make sure none of the PPA packages get upgraded16:39
xnoxogra_: can i run llvmpipe  on panda?16:39
barryogra_: gotcha, thanks16:39
* xnox has some compiz/ubiquity work.16:39
cjwatsonoh yes, I need to get round to upgrading to raring16:39
cjwatsonBTW I'm on leave tomorrow16:40
ogra_xnox, i thik steve tried that and was very unhappy with it16:40
barrycjwatson: will that have a noticable effect for packages moving raring-proposed -> raring?16:40
xnoxogra_: that means it should be ok for me. as I'm not doing the whole desktop just the ubiquity.16:40
ogra_xnox, slideshow with fast moving mouse pointer or so16:40
cjwatsonbarry: no, delayed copies aren't used there16:40
ogra_xnox, why use llvmpipe for ubiquity at all ? it doesnt require 3D16:40
xnox*cough*16:41
ogra_that sounds like artificially slow it down on purpose16:41
ogra_*slowing16:41
cjwatsonit'll just be ~1100 lines less code for anyone trying to work out what LP is doing there16:41
xnoxogra_: well..... drop unneeded packages, plus it's targeted at devices where whe know where compiz is available and fast.16:42
barrycjwatson: removed code is the best code!16:42
ogra_xnox, its not16:42
ogra_thats why we have llvmpipe16:42
stgraberxnox: well, FWIW I intend to seed metacity on all Ubuntu installs as the fallback WM when running dist-upgrades :)16:42
xnoxogra_: that.16:42
ogra_you'll need to keep non 3D anyway for the flavours16:43
cjwatsonhm, I tend to feel ubiquity should use compiz if it's available *and fast* (maybe unity_support_test?) but should retain support for metacty16:43
cjwatson*metacity16:43
xnoxstgraber: ogra_ : i don't know. basically ubiquity-dm does not support compiz as the window-manager. who will ship what where is not my business =) they can seed it in or out if they want to.16:43
ogra_cjwatson, ++16:43
stgrabercjwatson: agreed16:43
cjwatsonafter all it has support for a zillion other things; adding compiz support won't break the bank16:43
* xnox was only going to add compiz as an optional backend. not dropping metacity any time soon.16:43
ogra_ah16:44
ogra_it sounded like16:44
xnoxbut llvmpipe in a vm is... well not the quickest =)16:44
ogra_i just think metacity > llvmpipe16:44
xnoxanyway.... barry #endmeeting? =)16:44
ogra_we shouldnt even think about iusing it if possible :)16:44
barryxnox: yeah, i was enjoying the conversation :)16:45
barry#endmeeting16:45
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barrythanks everyone!16:45
xnoxthansk.16:45
ogra_thanks barry !16:45
stgraberthanks!16:45
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