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[12:10] <kokoye2007> Hello
[12:12] <head_victim> Good evening
[12:12] <head_victim> I'm trying to rustle up some other members for the meeting
[12:12] <kokoye2007> cyphermox:
[12:12] <kokoye2007> hello
[12:13] <kokoye2007> thx head_victim
[12:13] <kokoye2007> Destine:  Hello
[12:14] <kokoye2007> Pendulum: I am here :D
[12:15] <Destine> kokoye2007, hey
[12:15] <Destine> kokoye2007, anything i can help?
[12:15] <kokoye2007> micahg:  also there :D
[12:15] <kokoye2007> Destine: today is meeting day 2nd Wed ?
[12:16] <Destine> kokoye2007, nope, the next meeting will be Nov 21st.
[12:16] <kokoye2007> @_@
[12:16] <meetingology> kokoye2007: Error: "_@" is not a valid command.
[12:16] <kokoye2007> opps
[12:17] <kokoye2007> last meeting is 7th Nov ? Destine ?
[12:18] <Destine> kokoye2007, sorry i got confused now...
[12:19] <kokoye2007> i am wait at 7th Nov but say next week X_X
[12:20] <Destine> kokoye2007, i was here last time...
[12:21] <kokoye2007> so i am wait to next meeting ? 21 Nov Destine and head_victim
[12:22] <head_victim> kokoye2007: sorry mate, we're trying to work out why the 2 statements on the wiki are conflicting. I thought it was this week but apparently others didn't.
[12:22] <head_victim> Trying to see where the breakdown was.
[12:22] <Destine> kokoye2007, we are figuring this out, sorry.
[12:22] <kokoye2007> sorry for distribute bro, i really don't know so sorry
[12:25] <kokoye2007> ok see you next wed day Destine and head_victim  thx for your reply
[12:27] <Destine> kokoye2007, sorry for the inconvenience...
[12:29] <head_victim> kokoye2007: we'll email all the applicants when we've sorted out what's happening so you don't keep turning up and no one is here
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[14:02] <sbhw> balloons stary the meeting pls
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[16:00] <ogra_> boo
[16:00] <cjwatson> hi - do we have slangasek today?
[16:00]  * barry waves
[16:02] <stokachu> <('o')>
[16:03] <xnox> yeah, barry =)
[16:04] <barry> #endmeeting
[16:04] <barry> oh darn
[16:04] <xnox> this weeks kernel team meeting lasted 6 minutes.
[16:05] <xnox> =))))
[16:05] <ogra_> slackers !"
[16:05] <barry> "<barry> #endmeeting  [11:04]"
[16:05] <barry> we win
[16:05] <xnox> ogra_: I think they had pre-arranged pasties ready.
[16:06]  * ogra_ has that too
[16:06]  * barry thought you said "rearranged pasties" which is an entirely different thing
[16:06] <cjwatson> Somebody whose copy-and-paste isn't irritatingly broken please chair, then, and we'll get this over with :)
[16:06] <xnox> and all took a quick 5 minute break between git-bisections
[16:06] <jodh> xnox: I thought they survived on liquids?!?
[16:06]  * cjwatson spies an en_GB vs. en_US difference ...
[16:06] <barry> #startmeeting
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[16:07] <barry> #topic lightning round
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: lightning round
[16:07] <barry> i don't have the list, so how 'bouts we go alphabetical?
[16:07] <xnox> go barry =)
[16:07] <barry> bug 1076107 (upgrade requests to 0.14.2); reviewed ~mvo fix for bug 1071388; bug 846044 (dbus-python re-upload to quantal-proposed); bug 1029094 (replace simplejson with json in ubuntuone-control-panel); bug 1076186 (raring, and quantal sru ubuntu-release-upgrader); python-oauthlib upgrade to 0.3.2-0ubuntu1, and then to 0.3.3-0ubuntu1; debian bug 664759 (packaging for python-tox); bug 1077083 (oauth->oauthlib for piston-mini-client, in
[16:07] <barry> progress); virtualenv 1.8.2 (in progress); patch piloting (see previous report); blueprints and other work items for raring; various system administration tasks (upgrades, repairs, nexus7 installation).   done.
[16:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1076107 in requests (Debian) "Upgrade to new upstream version 0.14.2" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076107
[16:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1071388 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "UnicodeDecodeError in askYesNoQuestion of DistUpgradeViewText.py" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1071388
[16:07] <barry> but you already knew ^^
[16:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 846044 in dbus-python (Ubuntu Quantal) "software-center crashed with UnicodeEncodeError in get_dbus_message(): 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xfc' in position 65: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/846044
[16:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1029094 in ubuntuone-control-panel (Ubuntu Raring) "Replace simplejson with json" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1029094
[16:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1076186 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "not possible to upgrade to raring" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076186
[16:07] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/always-copy-packages-asynchronously-2/+merge/131928
[16:07] <cjwatson> oops
[16:08] <cjwatson> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/always-copy-packages-asynchronously-2/+merge/131928
[16:08] <cjwatson> ARGH
[16:08]  * xnox thinks security team does a baton. Once you finish yours you get to pick who is next.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Fixed crazy python-apt test failure.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Made intermittent progress on Secure Boot backports for 12.04.2.  Still more to do.
[16:08] <barry> no worries, i'm done :)
[16:08] <cjwatson> Backported upstream fix for rare data corruption in cp/mv/install (bug 1073514).
[16:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1073514 in coreutils (Ubuntu Quantal) "cp, mv, install: data loss due to free memory read" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1073514
[16:08] <cjwatson> Tweaked raring images to include only a signed kernel, and generate the unsigned kernel from it.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Spent a good deal of time babysitting proposed-migration, image builds, and the like.  The initial flood of minor problems seems to be tailing off now.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Working on a cross-autobuilder so that we can test armhf cross-building at scale; taking the opportunity to learn juju.  Nothing to show just yet but I think I'm fairly close to having a working wanna-build charm.
[16:08]  * bdmurray waits
[16:08] <cjwatson> ..
[16:08] <cjwatson> *that's* better
[16:08] <cjwatson> Oh drat sorry Brian
[16:08] <cjwatson> go ahead :)
[16:08] <xnox> cjwatson: with or without forking/using sbuild charm?
[16:09] <bdmurray> SRU verification of bug 1067993
[16:09] <bdmurray> SRU uploads (lucid and precise) for unattended-upgrades bug 936870
[16:09] <bdmurray> sponsored SRU uploads for bug 1013798 (later rejected)
[16:09] <bdmurray> sponsored quantal, raring, precise, oneiric fixes for bug 875435
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1067993 in vim (Ubuntu Raring) "Add 'raring' to the list of recognized Ubuntu release names" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067993
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 936870 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu Precise) "unattended upgrade failing due to incorrectly detected conffile prompt due to "newconffile" line" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/936870
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1013798 in libgcrypt11 (Ubuntu Quantal) "Blink SIP client segfaults with libgcrypt11 1.5.0-3ubuntu0.1" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013798
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 875435 in OEM Priority Project precise "iBus indicator does not show on the panel" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/875435
[16:09] <bdmurray> reported bug 1076186 regarding ubuntu-release-upgrader
[16:09] <bdmurray> reported bug 1076472 regarding errors and bucket subscriptions
[16:09] <bdmurray> investigation into update-manager / u-r-u crash reporting process for dist-upgrades
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1076186 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "not possible to upgrade to raring" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076186
[16:09] <cjwatson> xnox: currently, using it with a minor tweak
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1076472 in Errors "notifications regarding current bucket counts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076472
[16:09] <bdmurray> reported apport bug 1077253 regarding ExecutableTimestamp issue
[16:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1077253 in apport (Ubuntu) "possible for ExecutableTimestamp to not be for the binary in ExecutablePath" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077253
[16:09] <bdmurray> modifying bug bot to comment on pending SRUs still needing verification
[16:09] <bdmurray> updated SRU wiki page with self-verification information
[16:09] <bdmurray> updated meta-release-development with raring information
[16:09] <bdmurray> one holiday too
[16:09] <bdmurray> ⁂ done⁂
[16:09] <xnox> cjwatson: ack. I had minor tweaks to it locally as well.... maybe I should push them somewhere.
[16:09] <barry> xnox: +1
[16:09] <ogra_> *shudder* winter UTF
[16:10] <cjwatson> xnox: mine is to install and configure the buildd package as well (which I haven't finished doing)
[16:10] <xnox> cjwatson: mine was to use $storage_location with default to /mnt as this were one usually gets the gigleybytes of scratch space.
[16:10] <cjwatson> I could use that, please pass me the patch :)
[16:10] <xnox> s/this were/this is where/
[16:10] <barry> i guess doko_ is up next?
[16:11] <doko_> ouch
[16:11] <doko_> I'll go last, lost in hacking ...
[16:11] <barry> is ev around?
[16:12] <barry> f...g...h...i...
[16:13] <stokachu> igloo!
[16:13]  * ogra_ is happy to go, but i think jodh is first
[16:13] <jodh> * upstart:
[16:13] <jodh>   * Wrote user sessions spec (comments welcome):
[16:13] <jodh>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions
[16:13] <jodh>   * Updates to stateful re-exec branch after review comments (thanks slangasek)
[16:13] <jodh>   * Final testing
[16:13] <jodh>   * Preparing for 1.6 release
[16:13] <jodh>   * investigating bug 1075976
[16:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1075976 in upstart (Ubuntu) "test-suite fails in autopkgtest environment" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1075976
[16:13] <jodh> * TODO
[16:13] <jodh> *** Upstart 1.6 release and raring upload
[16:13] <jodh>   * precise SRU for bug 980917
[16:13] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 980917 in upstart (Ubuntu Precise) "Failed to create pty - disabling logging for job [SRU]" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/980917
[16:13] <jodh>   * start work on Enhanced User Sessions
[16:13] <jodh> ¡
[16:13] <jodh>  
[16:14] <ogra_> done:
[16:14] <ogra_>  * got a chromebook \o/, runs awesome with raring
[16:14] <ogra_>  * blocked on linux-nexus7 being stuck in new since a week
[16:14] <ogra_>  * blocked on completely missing arm livefs builder (seems to be hard to fix without taking all arm machines in the DC out of business)
[16:14] <ogra_>  * extended ac100-tarball-installer to support nexus7 (i'll rename it soon as well)
[16:14] <ogra_>  * fixed issues with live-build that i found with manually rolled images
[16:14] <ogra_>  * looked into plymouth breakage on devices that have i.e. console= or console=none on the kernel cmdline
[16:14] <ogra_> todo:
[16:14] <ogra_>  * merges
[16:14] <ogra_>  * flash-kernel bugfixes
[16:14] <ogra_>  * finally get the nexus7 images going
[16:14] <ogra_>  * set up a regular meeting for discussing the remaining WIs of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram
[16:14] <ogra_> ..
[16:14] <xnox> ogra_: me +1 on the meeting.
[16:15] <ogra_> yeah, its a WI i have :)
[16:15] <stgraber>  - Networking
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Merged iproute from experimental as some people want the new upstream to try some bufferbloat fixes.
[16:15] <stgraber>  - Container
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Rebased staging branch on upstream master.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Reviewed all outstandings merge proposals and bugs, now down to 0 MP and 0 bugs on github (sourceforge and launchpad are another story).
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Fixed daily builds.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Split templates to a new lxc-templates package.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Changed lxc-create to support being given the full path to a template.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Completed switch to docbook2x for the manpage generation.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Change upstream build to use -Wall -Werror and fixed outstanding warnings so that it builds fine on all supported Ubuntu versions.
[16:15] <stgraber>  - Post-UDS
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Did some spec drafting and dumped some remaining work items in some existing blueprints.
[16:15] <stgraber>  - QA Tracker
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Finished changes to support storing the manifest in the tracker and landed the changes.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Updated ubuntu-archive-tools to use the upstream python-qatracker module, fix a bunch of bugs and be more consistent.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Updated nusakan to post the Chinese images directly to the localized ISO tracker.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Fixed the 404/403 handling that was the top crasher for the ISO tracker (though not user visible).
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Fixed high priority bug in the add_build code, will land later today.
[16:15] <stgraber>   - Started some optimization work for the tracker.
[16:16] <stgraber>  - TODO
[16:16] <stgraber>   - Doing some more optimization and bugfixes for the tracker.
[16:16] <stgraber>   - Some UI improvements for series/milestone on the tracker.
[16:16] <stgraber>   - Try to generate https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes from nusakan.
[16:16] <stgraber>   - Look at jodh's upstart specs.
[16:16] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:16] <stokachu> bug 1068723 - would like to personally have some traction on this one
[16:16] <stokachu> bug 669481 - needing oneiric sponsorship
[16:16] <stokachu> bug 979003 - Status on SRU verification?
[16:16] <stokachu> - Dealing with issues from other channels this week, nothing else needing
[16:16] <stokachu> immediate Foundations attention.
[16:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1068723 in Precise Backports "Please backport pbuilder-scripts 17 (universe) from quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068723
[16:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 669481 in grub2 (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Timeout should not be -1 if $recordfail" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/669481
[16:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 979003 in eglibc (Ubuntu Oneiric) "libc incorrectly detects AVX support" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979003
[16:16] <stokachu> oh, and trying to fix this wireless issue with my laptop, posted on -tech if anyone is bored :\
[16:16] <stokachu> (done)
[16:17]  * xnox will take stokachu's requests. As I kind of missed my uds time pilot time.
[16:17] <stokachu> the libc one is mainly for infinity, though not sure if he's doing that anymore
[16:17] <xnox> ack.
[16:17] <stokachu> xnox: thanks :D
[16:18] <stgraber> I don't think we have anyone in the foundations team that's also in the backports team? (if we do, I wouldn't mind someone reviewing my libseccomp backport ;))
[16:18] <xnox> will try to do them today.
[16:18] <micahg> stgraber: I'll take a look
[16:18] <xnox> stgraber: well I was told, "if you follow the procedure, launchpad allows you to upload"
[16:18] <stgraber> micahg: thanks
[16:18] <cjwatson> xnox: for grub2, could you please make sure it goes into lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu/oneiric/grub2/oneiric rather than lp:ubuntu/oneiric/grub2
[16:18] <stgraber> micahg: it's a required build-dep for my future lxc backport
[16:18] <cjwatson> ?
[16:19] <xnox> cjwatson: sure.
[16:19] <cjwatson> Might involve extracting the patch and applying by hand
[16:19] <barry> xnox: i *think* you're up next
[16:19] <cjwatson> ta
[16:19] <xnox> * doko and I dropped python3.2 from the archive (remaining package rebuilds)
[16:19] <xnox> * help track down ubiquity's eglibc/python3.3 breakage (thanks cjwatson & doko)
[16:19] <xnox>   this also affected usb-creator (bug 1076305)
[16:19] <xnox> * python3 only on cd:
[16:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1076305 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "plat-x86_64-linux-gnu does not define limits.h variables any more" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076305
[16:19] <xnox>   - drop ndiswrapper from seeds
[16:19] <xnox>   - upload python3: pyasn1, usb-creator
[16:19] <stokachu> those bugs aren't mine but if you have questions just let me know and ill talk to the right people
[16:19] <xnox>   - port gnome-sudoku (bug 1078720)
[16:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1078720 in gnome-games (Ubuntu) "gnome-sudoku: port to python3" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078720
[16:19] <xnox>   - concerned about python-reportlab, -imaging and hence hplip not
[16:19] <xnox>     being ported.
[16:19] <xnox> * Merges:
[16:19] <xnox> hmm....
[16:20] <xnox> * doko and I dropped python3.2 from the archive (remaining package rebuilds)
[16:20] <xnox> * help track down ubiquity's eglibc/python3.3 breakage (thanks cjwatson & doko)
[16:20] <xnox>   this also affected usb-creator (bug 1076305)
[16:20] <xnox> * python3 only on cd:
[16:20] <xnox>   - drop ndiswrapper from seeds
[16:20] <xnox>   - upload python3: pyasn1, usb-creator
[16:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1076305 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Raring) "plat-x86_64-linux-gnu does not define limits.h variables any more" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1076305
[16:20] <xnox>   - port gnome-sudoku (bug 1078720)
[16:20] <xnox>   - concerned about python-reportlab, -imaging and hence hplip not
[16:20] <xnox>     being ported.
[16:20] <xnox> * Merges:
[16:20] <xnox>   - some (my TIL) partman-*
[16:20] <xnox>   - autofs, cryptsetup, btrfs-tools, shadow (stuck in proposed on bug 1077484)
[16:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1077484 in shadow (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libsemanage (shadow's rdep to continue SELinux support in shadow)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077484
[16:20] <xnox> * Devices FS:
[16:20] <xnox>   - include nilfs modules in the initramfs, helps with root on
[16:20] <xnox>     nilfs. (bug 771736)
[16:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 771736 in nilfs-tools (Ubuntu) "please include nilfs2 in hook-functions" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/771736
[16:20] <xnox>   - tested and uploaded android-tools-fsutils for sparse image
[16:20] <xnox>     generation
[16:20] <xnox>   - packaged flashbench (bug 1078488) linaro's utility that helps
[16:20] <barry> xnox: wasn't there a work item to see if reportlab can be dropped from task:ubuntu-desktop?
[16:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1078488 in Ubuntu "flashbench" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078488
[16:20] <xnox>     discovering flash media alignment to improve filesystem alignment
[16:20] <xnox>     and I/O performance on eMMC / SD / usb-sticks.
[16:20] <xnox>   - pulled f2fs patches into ubuntu-kernel fork and asked ogasawara to
[16:21] <xnox>     build f2fs kernels for x86 & arm (panda, ac100, nexus7) for
[16:21] <xnox>     benchmarking against nilfs. Idea is to improve boot speed &
[16:21] <xnox>     performance on nexus7. (not sure if I can build it as dkms module?!)
[16:21] <xnox> * Ongoing design discussions around ubiquity UX concepts
[16:21] <xnox> * bug fixing from ubiquity usability mini-study (3 participants)
[16:21] <xnox> * Drafting blueprints / fixing up work items.
[16:21] <xnox> barry: i think it was merely a request from doko at the session. not sure if it was put down as a work-item.
[16:21]  * ogra_ wonders if xnox works to close to ev recently
[16:21] <doko_> Streber ;-P
[16:21] <barry> xnox: nod.  i'll take a look again at the spec
[16:22] <xnox> ogra_: well.... ev was missing, so I had to make up.
[16:22] <ogra_> heh
[16:22] <xnox> doko_: ?
[16:22] <doko_> - rebuilds to drop python3.2 extensions
[16:22] <doko_> - split out libstdc++-dev packages in gcc
[16:22] <doko_> - let g++ search in multiarch directories
[16:22] <doko_> - gcc linaro merge
[16:22] <doko_> - build some x32 packages
[16:22] <doko_> - merges
[16:22] <doko_> - run an archive scan to search for asm files (arm64 prep work for kiko)
[16:22] <doko_> - fix my desktop computer, new hard disk and additional ram
[16:22] <doko_> - started working on python3-imaging
[16:22] <doko_> (done)
[16:23] <xnox> interesting =))))
[16:23] <barry> doko_, xnox thanks for the 3.2 drop!
[16:23] <xnox> doko_: sell python3-imaging port to reportlab ;-)
[16:23] <barry> yes, please :)
[16:24] <barry> did we miss anybody who's here today?
[16:24] <doko_> not yet done, I'll wait for the pillow 1.8 release
[16:24] <xnox> more rdeps?
[16:25] <barry> #topic bugs
=== meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: bugs
[16:25] <barry> bdmurray: what have you got for us today?
[16:26] <bdmurray> well bug 1077267 could use a better home but I'm not sure where
[16:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1077267 in ubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Setting language localization doesn't set system-wide" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077267
[16:27] <ev> soz
[16:28] <xnox> ogra_: on the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 there are a couple of failed kernel upgrades on ac100
[16:28] <barry> ev: wanna give us your update?
[16:28] <ogra_> xnox, yeah, i just added a fix for that today
[16:28] <ogra_> xnox, sadly it isnt backportable without respinning the images
[16:29] <ogra_> (for 12.10)
[16:29] <barry> bdmurray: i added a comment on the bug, but don't really know of a better place for it
[16:29] <xnox> also bug 1075422... I could cherry pick the patch, but then I'll be TIL.... who is merging initramfs-tools? last one was cherry pick, not merge.
[16:29] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1075422 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "unable to read /tmp/mkinitramfs_*" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1075422
[16:30] <ev> barry: sure
[16:30] <ogra_> xnox, workaround for the ac100 ones is sudo apt-get install abootimg
[16:30] <ev> - Further debugging on juju rabbitmq issues:
[16:30] <ev>   https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/juju/2012-November/001998.html
[16:30] <ev>   Clint mentioned on IRC that he thinks it's a juju issue. Started talking
[16:30] <ev>   through it with Kapil, who's kindly looking into it.
[16:30] <ev> - Wrote an anatomy of a crash section to the error tracker specification as
[16:30] <ev>   part of https://bugs.launchpad.net/errors/+bug/1078393.
[16:30] <ev> - Looking into using LXC under juju. Unfortunately this is far too slow in my
[16:30] <ev>   development VM.
[16:30] <ev> - Uploaded fix for bug 993056 to Raring, working on Precise and Quantal now.
[16:30] <ev> - More Ubuntu shop USB key nightmares.
[16:30] <ev> (done)
[16:30] <ogra_> and then re-run update-initramfs
[16:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1078393 in Errors "We could do better at the "typo test"" [Undecided,New]
[16:30] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 993056 in activity-log-manager (Ubuntu Quantal) ""Privacy" > "Diagnostics" > "Send error reports" can't be turned on or off" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/993056
[16:31] <xnox> ogra_: hmm... can we make abootimg a pre-depend on the ac100 kernel package of something?
[16:31] <ogra_> xnox, the tarball installer installs it, but it didnt mark it as manually installed until today
[16:32] <cjwatson> USB key> not again.  what happened this time?
[16:32] <ogra_> so update-manager removes it on release upgrades
[16:32]  * xnox is sad
[16:32] <ogra_> todays upload fixes that, but backporting wont help unless we would respin ac100 12.10
[16:32] <xnox> no thanks.
[16:32] <ogra_> since the traball installer is only used during unpacking
[16:33] <ogra_> and removes itself at the end
[16:34] <barry> bdmurray: any other bugs to look at?
[16:34] <bdmurray> yes bug 1077551 seems rather serious
[16:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1077551 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "Installing Machinarium removes the desktop" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1077551
[16:34] <bdmurray> its not really incomplete as ted has replied
[16:36]  * xnox wonders if Machinarium is something that is used in manufacturing nightmare usb sticks shipped to ev.
[16:36] <bdmurray> but nothing jumped out at me
[16:36] <barry> cool
[16:36] <barry> #topic aob
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[16:37] <ev> xnox: mostly just suppliers ignoring our instructions
[16:37] <xnox> ev: *sigh*
[16:37] <ev> totes
[16:37] <barry> fwiw, i have one desktop on raring already, though not my main dev box yet.  upgrade went w/o a hitch and everything is running smoothly so far.  i love the new workflow.
[16:38] <barry> anybody have anything today?
[16:38]  * ogra_ upgraded the chromebook to raring without any flaws but known plymouth issues
[16:38] <barry> can the nexus7 run raring?
[16:39] <stgraber> my main machine, dev machine and pandaboards are all on raring, haven't seen anything blow up yet, though I just got a new kernel that I haven't booted yet :)
[16:39] <ogra_> and i didnt notice that i'm running llvmpipe for the whole weekend !
[16:39] <ogra_> it *that* powerful
[16:39] <cjwatson> I think I'm one branch away from being able to remove delayed copies from LP, and then probably actually being able to understand the copy code
[16:39] <ogra_> *it's
[16:39] <ogra_> barry, it should if you make sure none of the PPA packages get upgraded
[16:39] <xnox> ogra_: can i run llvmpipe  on panda?
[16:39] <barry> ogra_: gotcha, thanks
[16:39]  * xnox has some compiz/ubiquity work.
[16:39] <cjwatson> oh yes, I need to get round to upgrading to raring
[16:40] <cjwatson> BTW I'm on leave tomorrow
[16:40] <ogra_> xnox, i thik steve tried that and was very unhappy with it
[16:40] <barry> cjwatson: will that have a noticable effect for packages moving raring-proposed -> raring?
[16:40] <xnox> ogra_: that means it should be ok for me. as I'm not doing the whole desktop just the ubiquity.
[16:40] <ogra_> xnox, slideshow with fast moving mouse pointer or so
[16:40] <cjwatson> barry: no, delayed copies aren't used there
[16:40] <ogra_> xnox, why use llvmpipe for ubiquity at all ? it doesnt require 3D
[16:41] <xnox> *cough*
[16:41] <ogra_> that sounds like artificially slow it down on purpose
[16:41] <ogra_> *slowing
[16:41] <cjwatson> it'll just be ~1100 lines less code for anyone trying to work out what LP is doing there
[16:42] <xnox> ogra_: well..... drop unneeded packages, plus it's targeted at devices where whe know where compiz is available and fast.
[16:42] <barry> cjwatson: removed code is the best code!
[16:42] <ogra_> xnox, its not
[16:42] <ogra_> thats why we have llvmpipe
[16:42] <stgraber> xnox: well, FWIW I intend to seed metacity on all Ubuntu installs as the fallback WM when running dist-upgrades :)
[16:42] <xnox> ogra_: that.
[16:43] <ogra_> you'll need to keep non 3D anyway for the flavours
[16:43] <cjwatson> hm, I tend to feel ubiquity should use compiz if it's available *and fast* (maybe unity_support_test?) but should retain support for metacty
[16:43] <cjwatson> *metacity
[16:43] <xnox> stgraber: ogra_ : i don't know. basically ubiquity-dm does not support compiz as the window-manager. who will ship what where is not my business =) they can seed it in or out if they want to.
[16:43] <ogra_> cjwatson, ++
[16:43] <stgraber> cjwatson: agreed
[16:43] <cjwatson> after all it has support for a zillion other things; adding compiz support won't break the bank
[16:43]  * xnox was only going to add compiz as an optional backend. not dropping metacity any time soon.
[16:44] <ogra_> ah
[16:44] <ogra_> it sounded like
[16:44] <xnox> but llvmpipe in a vm is... well not the quickest =)
[16:44] <ogra_> i just think metacity > llvmpipe
[16:44] <xnox> anyway.... barry #endmeeting? =)
[16:44] <ogra_> we shouldnt even think about iusing it if possible :)
[16:45] <barry> xnox: yeah, i was enjoying the conversation :)
[16:45] <barry> #endmeeting
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[16:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 14 16:45:08 2012 UTC.
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[16:45] <barry> thanks everyone!
[16:45] <xnox> thansk.
[16:45] <ogra_> thanks barry !
[16:45] <stgraber> thanks!
[17:09] <IdleOne> ubottu: rmb is <reply> PING! beuno, cjohnston, cyphermox, Destine, ejat, head_victim, hggdh, IdleOne, iulian, lifeless, micahg, n0rman, Pendulum, PabloRubienes. Meeting time.
[17:09] <ubottu> I'll remember that, IdleOne
[17:10] <hggdh> I am here
[17:11] <IdleOne> hggdh: was just adding !rmb to the bot, sorry about the ping
[17:11] <hggdh> IdleOne: Ah, did not read actually read it... sorry
[17:12] <IdleOne> hehe no problem :)
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[17:46] <lifeless> IdleOne: I'm not on the rmb anymore
[17:47] <lifeless> IdleOne: I declined nomination at the most recent election
[17:47] <IdleOne> oh
[17:47] <IdleOne> I will remove you then :)
[17:48] <IdleOne> lifeless: fixed.
[17:50] <lifeless> IdleOne: thanks
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