 i think ubuntu is not suitable for matrix hacking. it wouldn't be cool to hack matrix with adware
[02:16] <bazhang>  18mil terabytpe
[02:16] <bazhang> 18 million terabyte drive?
[02:16] <bazhang> is he from the future?
[02:43] <zykotick9> bazhang: you are a great OP in #ubuntu, but why suggest pastebin.com when paste.ubuntu.com exists?  that is all.
[03:23] <chu> bazhang: :)
[03:27] <Unit193> Because one paste service is better than the other?  Or easier to remember.
[03:52] <elky> because pastes in paste.ubuntu.com live forever, pastebin.com gets purged, and users put stupid things in pastebins
[03:53] <elky> i'd actually be suggesting something that doesn't get indexed, like privatepaste.com
[04:03] <chu> So, the recent email regarding #ubuntu-discuss, if #ubuntu-offtopic *isn't* the place for it, should we set something in the topic for #ubuntu-offtopic (such as: "Want to discuss Ubuntu ideas? Consider #ubuntu-discuss!" or something) as a way of advertising it and promoting it?
[04:04] <Tm_T> chu: yes
[04:04] <chu> I must admit, I don't entirely *know* what #ubuntu-discuss is for (beyond literally just the channel name, but that seems quite general and applicable in #ubuntu-offtopic), so I don't really know what sort of advertisement/promotion would be appropriate.
[04:05] <Tm_T> ...and many other actions to make it really part of our channel landscape
[04:08] <Tm_T> chu: the idea has been that the channel is for anything that is ubuntu discussion but doesn't fall under user support
[04:09] <Tm_T> chu: for example not-yet-released products
[04:09] <chu> Is it strictly Ubuntu, or Canonical aswell?
[04:09] <Tm_T> both
[04:10] <elky> chu, to me, it's main appeal is that all the tiny niche areas which have their own deserted channels can redirect to there and have more audience to discuss with
[04:10] <elky> its*
[04:10] <Tm_T> we don't want to have canonical saying "we have this new hot product coming at some point, if any questions go to #ubuntu!" ...
[04:11] <elky> sadly, #ubuntu-marketing is still not redirected there :(
[04:11] <Tm_T> elky: good point
[04:11] <elky> and people come in and ask the crickets things and go away sad and ignored
[04:12] <elky> Tm_T, yeaaah, and not sending those people into an -ot regular's blathering is ideal.
[04:12] <Tm_T> -ot is totally wrong place too
[04:12] <elky> yeah
[04:12] <elky> on so many levels
[04:12] <Tm_T> I still don't like this "yet another channel" syndrome, but now it looks as the only sane solution
[04:14] <elky> well, i only put my support behind it if it was going to be used to consolidate "other channels"
[04:14] <elky> i don't think that's happened yet, which doesn't impress me at all
[04:16] <chu> I will try and promote it more - there has been some people coming into #ubuntu-offtopic in recent times (being the past few months) who have had questions which are probably more related to #ubuntu-discuss, and I will do my best to direct them there from now on.
[04:16] <Tm_T> I'd say we haven't even put an effort to use -discuss yet
[04:17] <Tm_T> neither has canonical, yet (;
[04:22] <elky> well, all it needs is a mail to the marketing list saying "Due to its nature, low traffic and non-existant management, we are going to redirect #channel to #ubuntu-discuss in $timeframe. Speak now or forever hold your peace."
[04:22] <elky> and then a week later making it so
[04:22] <elky> or whtever $timeframe is
[04:23] <elky> nobody's done that yet
[04:23] <elky> and s/marketing/relevant/
[04:25] <chu> Is that saying that #ubuntu-[relevant] will be retired in favour of #ubuntu-discuss?
[04:32] <Tm_T> allright, I suppose it's time to move this corpse toward the office
[04:48] <elky> chu, essentially, but defines what "retire" means
[04:50] <chu> Ahh, I guess "closed" after $timeframe? There's probably a better way of saying it, but hopefully that gets the point. Sorry, I'm very slow at the moment
[04:50] <elky> go to sleep you silly man
[04:51] <chu> I can't now though, 4 hours ok *maybe*, but now it's too late and I need to wrap around
[04:52] <elky> well, you just need to last another 2hrs actually, then sleeping 6 to 6 would be "sensible"
[04:53] <elky> depending how long you think you'd last for
[04:53] <elky> (sleeping)
[04:54] <chu> It'll be a while I imagine
[07:04] <HiggsPossum> uh oh
[07:25] <Tm_T> Jordan_U: I'm not slow!
[07:25]  * Tm_T hides
[07:25] <Jordan_U> :)
[07:26] <bkerensa> =s
[07:26] <bkerensa> crassus is blowing my PM
[07:27] <bkerensa> blowing up*
[16:24] <bazhang> troll detected
[16:25] <gnomefreak> loke == troll?
[16:27] <bazhang> lukecarrier in #ubuntu
[16:28] <gnomefreak> ah
[17:22] <bazhang> may as well just allow /amsg across all Ubuntu channels at this point
[17:23] <IdleOne> ?
[17:24] <bazhang> simplew / O_comprido constantly crossposting +1 issues in #ubuntu
[17:24] <bazhang> after repeated warnings
[17:24] <IdleOne> let me try explaining it to them one more time in +1
[17:26] <bazhang> he did not even wait FIVE seconds before crossposting
[17:27] <IdleOne> wether he waited 5 seconds or 5 hours makes no difference really. +1 is not supported in #ubuntu.
[17:29] <mneptok> that user was first told that a long time ago. i think they are x-posting to try to get ActionParsnip's help.
[17:29] <bazhang> and the story changes each time
[17:30] <bazhang> mneptok, yep. he asked actionparsnip for help in #ubuntu then asked him to /join +1
[17:30] <mneptok> see? i pay attention.
[17:31] <bazhang> heh
[17:31] <bazhang> I NEVER doubted that
[17:31] <mneptok> well, i wasn't sure if you did. because i so infrequently pay attention.
[17:31] <bazhang> you are just more ninja about it all
[17:31] <bazhang> haha
[17:32] <mneptok> O:)
[17:34] <IdleOne> bazhang: he has been warned. feel free to deal with them as you see fit in #ubuntu :)
[17:34] <IdleOne> So now he is just going to lie and say he is running quantal :/
[17:36] <bazhang> IdleOne, yep. thanks