[01:09] <snap-l> Evening, everyone
[01:10] <snap-l> Thank you, jcastro_ for taking the reigns.
[03:24]  * rick_h starts packing up the car http://goo.gl/gea8d
[03:35] <jjesse-home> can i join?
[03:36] <jjesse-home> i think i read startups are moving to kansas city and using people's living room for office space
[03:37] <greg-g> me three me three!!!
[11:46] <rick_h> morning
[12:22] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:22] <snap-l> Have a very drugged kitten this morning
[12:22] <snap-l> last night she was best described as "stoned"
[12:22] <snap-l> Even the vet called her stoned
[12:22] <snap-l> s/vet/technician/
[12:43] <rick_h> yea, gotta love it when the pets get the good drugs
[12:55] <rick_h> wahoo android 4.2
[13:02] <brousch> bastard
[13:02] <brousch> I still have nothing over 2.3.7
[13:02] <rick_h> nexus 7 ftw
[13:03] <brousch> Oh wait, my touchpad came in, so I have WebOS 3
[13:03] <brousch> WebOS > *
[13:03] <rick_h> hah
[13:03] <rick_h> one day...holding out hope
[13:04] <brousch> At least now I can play around with it
[13:04] <brousch> My fear is I will like it more than Android and get sucked into its tiny ecosystem
[13:04] <rick_h> yea, HP did have some updates recently
[13:04] <rick_h> and I'd still rather use it for dev work, but no users/devices :(
[13:05] <brousch> old devices
[13:07] <brousch> Hm, looks like openwebos has been ported to galaxy nexus
[13:08] <brousch> http://webos-ports.org/wiki/Galaxy_Nexus
[13:09] <snap-l> rick_h: You just want to Javascript all the things.
[13:10] <rick_h> :)
[13:18] <snap-l> http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/math.do?code=DEAL&imm_mid=09b53f&cmp=em-npa-books-videos-deal-day-math-direct <- Math DotD
[13:51] <jrwren> brousch: run 4.x x86 in a VM if you want newer than 2.3.7
[13:54] <brousch> jrwren: I am, but I don't count it
[13:57] <jrwren> so you do have newer than 2.3.7 :)
[13:58] <jrwren> i maintain ubuntu is not for desktop. why doesn't nautilus have a run as... option to run something as root or another user?
[14:02] <rick_h> huh?
[14:04] <jrwren> my use case is ubuntu in a VM, installing the vm tools. the vm tools CD gets mounted and a window pops up, that is great. the next step is running hte installer as root. You can't do this from natilus. It is a shame.
[14:09] <brousch> So tempted to reply to https://twitter.com/chrismcdonough/status/268514999603953666 with "One user?! tThat's like 20% of all Pyramid users"
[14:10] <jjesse> i got distracted by "i'm a toy that squirts rainbows"
[14:10] <rick_h> lol, me too
[14:31] <rick_h> in case you guys don't follow the python lists http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1358061/
[14:31] <rick_h> kind of cool to see a db vendor getting Mike involved like that
[14:35] <snap-l> rick_h: Which list was that on?
[14:35] <rick_h> python-list@python.org
[14:36] <snap-l> Ah. I don't think I have a current sub to that list
[14:37] <snap-l> It just showed up on announce
[14:38] <jrwren> i don't.
[14:38] <jrwren> i just read ideas.
[14:38] <jrwren> what is volume like on that one?
[14:39] <snap-l> Python List is pretty heavy traffic
[14:39] <snap-l> I tried digests on that one, but it wasn't that effective
[14:39]  * snap-l has a love / hate relationship with digests
[14:40] <brousch> People who respond to the digest version can die in a fire
[14:41] <snap-l> brousch: You can use the mime digesting, but it's not that great in Thunderbird
[14:41] <snap-l> it works, but Mutt's digest support is miles ahead
[14:43] <snap-l> Y'know what, QUora can eat my balls
[14:43] <snap-l> "You need to sign in in order to read the answers"
[14:43] <snap-l> but I don't want to, so it actively goes through and blurs the text
[14:44] <brousch> The new expert sex change
[14:44] <snap-l> That doesn't make me want to participate, it makes me want to leave flaming bags of shit on their doorstop
[14:48] <jjesse> quota used to be cool
[14:48] <jjesse> now i think it sucks
[14:48] <snap-l> I just blocked it from my search results
[14:48] <snap-l> Was looking for a decent epub reader for Linux, and one of their links popped up
[14:49] <snap-l> I don't have a problem with asking folks to sign in
[14:49] <snap-l> I have a HUGE problem with obfuscating so I have to sign in
[14:50] <rick_h> monitize baby!
[14:50] <snap-l> And they can eat shit and dietize.
[14:53] <snap-l> Seriously low tolerance for that stuff
[15:00] <brousch> rick_h: That's great, coming from a Canonical employee
[15:00] <rick_h> :)
[15:00] <rick_h> brousch: I like getting a pay check, how about you?
[15:01] <brousch> Sure, I'll take your paycheck :P
[15:08] <UnFixed> Unforgiven: did you get your new house yet?
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> no
[15:08] <UnFixed> crap
[15:08] <UnFixed> hah
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> I'm here too, no harm done
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> you may choose from a multitude of channels
[15:08] <UnFixed> yes
[15:08] <UnFixed> i had a 3 in 10 chance of picking one you were in.
[15:09] <rick_h> what kills me is that means he's not using tab complete for nicks :/
[15:09] <UnFixed> i was
[15:09] <UnFixed> but i switched between windows after tab-completing.
[15:09] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[15:09] <rick_h> ok, we're cool then :P
[15:09] <UnFixed> :D
[15:10] <UnFixed> otherwise we'd probably have to dual
[15:10] <UnFixed> duel*
[15:12] <_stink_> or dual
[15:48] <brousch> snap-l: Did you see this?
[15:48] <brousch> http://deathmetalbaboon.com/how-to-listen-to-death-metal-1-2
[15:48] <jrwren> why is code.launchpad.net so slow.
[15:48] <jrwren> just clicking around on it feels slow.
[15:48] <jrwren> does it set No Cache or something?
[15:49] <jcastro_> jrwren: rick's never heard of memcached
[15:49] <rick_h> :) it's a waste of good memory
[15:49] <jrwren> lol.
[15:49] <jrwren> no ETags, so that sucks.
[15:50] <rick_h> jrwren: depends on what you're hitting
[15:50] <jrwren> zome.server.http, so that is a bummer.
[15:50] <jrwren> err.. zope
[15:50] <rick_h> you hitting the actual loggerhead or just branch browser
[15:50] <jrwren> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pmake  and click link to https://launchpad.net/pmake
[15:51] <jrwren> and i confirmed, no 304s, just 200s. you really could set Last-Modified and/or etags for 1 min or so.
[15:51] <rick_h> yea, so we majority is the web page itself. In my network trace 1.3 of the 2.4
[15:52] <rick_h> but yea, we don't use etags because we get into timestamp races across front end machines
[15:52] <rick_h> and we stream the JS content so that you get it faster without us loading it all into memory
[15:52] <rick_h> but it is fully squid cached so fast on our end, just network
[15:53] <rick_h> and then there's the fact that it's coming from england DC vs in the US which I can't do anything about :()
[15:53] <jrwren> england DC?!?!  that is probably teh latency i notice.
[15:53] <jrwren> ugh.
[15:54] <snap-l> jrwren: English packets laced with Guiness. ;)
[15:55] <snap-l> and smelling faintly of fish and chips
[15:55] <jrwren> its yet another reason to use github... support american made products. :p
[15:56] <rick_h> hah
[15:56] <snap-l> Those smell like BBQ sauce and want to change the radio to Country
[15:56] <snap-l> and have to have jokes explained to them
[16:10] <jrwren> snap-l: what is that wireles provider you use?
[16:11] <jrwren> ting
[16:21] <snap-l> Yeah
[16:22] <snap-l> http://decafbad.net/2012/06/06/i-love-my-phone-company-or-why-ting-com-is-awesome/
[16:32] <jrwren> i'm really starting to hate pyrex
[16:32] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, what are you using it for?
[16:37] <brousch> The cookware?
[16:37] <jrwren> porting this to libevent2 https://code.google.com/p/pyevent/
[16:38] <rick_h> ah, fun
[16:38] <jrwren> it blows.
[16:38] <rick_h> heh, yea I try to stay away from that stuff and let other smarter people do that
[16:38] <jrwren> or I don't understand what ctypedef is supposed to do.
[16:38] <jrwren> its like you ahve to reduce your typedefs to something pyrex knows
[16:38] <jrwren> i drive right in. its fun.
[16:40] <jrwren> i think my gripe is largely with 32/64bit clean C. pyrex seems to completely ignore the problem
[17:13] <rick_h> http://trac.webkit.org/changeset/134092 lol
[17:13] <snap-l> pfft. :)
[17:35] <Blazeix> yeah, it needs to be Thingy1 so it doesn't clash with future Thingy implementations
[17:38] <snap-l> exactly
[17:47] <greg-g> so, who else didn't realize until yesterday that next week was thanksgiving?
[17:47]  * rick_h is counting down the days
[17:48] <greg-g> :)
[17:48] <greg-g> me too, now ;)
[17:49] <rick_h> going to get some good shop time in next weekend. And I get pumpkin pie on thanksgiving so yay
[17:49] <rick_h> jcastro_: you up for the woodworking meeting tomorrow night?
[17:49] <rick_h> speaking of shop time
[17:50] <greg-g> oh man so jealous jcastro_ gets to go to woodworking meeting!
[17:50] <rick_h> well I dragged him to one, going for two
[17:51] <waldo323_> the washtenaw lug is having a meeting about sshfs tomorrow for those of you in that area
[17:52] <jcastro_> wait, lugwash is tomorrow?
[17:52] <waldo323_> oo yeah, sorry to introduce choices
[17:59] <jrwren> anyone ever seen tmux eat memory?  http://pastebin.com/P8KcnMd4
[18:01] <rick_h> nope
[18:07] <snap-l> No, that's unique
[18:50] <brousch> OMG, I found something built on Pylons
[18:50] <brousch> http://ckan.org/developers/about-ckan/
[19:16] <Blazeix> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13375357/proper-use-cases-for-android-usermanager-isuseragoat