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[08:28] <agateau> Quintasan_: sorry, was away: it must be in the main package. It is started by the Plasma applet.
[08:28] <agateau> Quintasan_: It is the binary responsible for showing Homerun itself on top of the other windows
[08:29] <agateau> Having it as a separate binary prevents Homerun from taking the desktop with it in case of crashes
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[10:11] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1079083] package qt4-doc not installed failed to install/upgrade: nicht vollständig gelesen in Puf... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1079083 (by Liam Spencer)
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[11:59] <Quintasan_> agateau: So it should be in the plasma-widget-homerun package?
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[12:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes, else the widget won't do much :)
[12:18] <Beineri> Will the qt5-beta2 ppa be also built for precise?
[12:19] <Riddell> golly it's Beineri 
[12:19] <Riddell> Beineri: but probably not, that's done by canonical and they don't develop on precise
[12:22] <Beineri> Riddell: hi. pity
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[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I just noticed that the Muon* about boxes say "Muon Update Manager, Version 1.4.1, Using KDE Development Platform 4.9.2".  I know what you mean, but using something described as a development platform on a production system feels odd.  About KDE just says, "Platform Version 4.9.2".  That seems better to me.
[14:05] <Riddell> ScottK: that's just the stock about box for applications
[14:06] <Riddell> bug upstream
[14:06] <ScottK> Oh, sure enough.  I see the same thing on Okular.
[14:14] <mparillo> I notice that About for rekonq says: Version 1.1 Using KDE Development Platform 4.9.3. I wonder if it is some kind of standard (not defending it).
[14:18] <Riddell> yes, it's all code from kdelibs, the whole Help menu is
[14:18] <Riddell> and it is a bug, it should be s/Development//
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[15:34] <Riddell> lesson of the day - if a package fails to build in launchpad but builds in your newly made chroot you don't have -proposed enabled
[15:35] <shadeslayer> heh
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[17:06] <apol_> don't we have kdevelop 4.4.1 in kubuntu yet?
[17:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ^^
[17:11] <shadeslayer> apol_: we do
[17:11] <shadeslayer> which release though :P
[17:11] <Riddell> it's in -proposed
[17:11] <apol_> 12.10
[17:11] <Riddell> yes, enable proposed for now
[17:11] <shadeslayer> yep, it's in -proposed for 12.10
[17:11] <apol_> what does proposed mean?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> !proposed
[17:12] <ubottu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[17:12] <Riddell> updates need to stay in -proposed for a week and get people successfully testing it before it gets into -updates
[17:12] <Riddell> -proposed you have to enable manually, -updates is enabled by default 
[17:12] <Riddell> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:13] <apol_> well, I'm unsure what's the rationale behind this, but 4.4.1 fixes some important bugs, I don't see a reason for users not benefiting from this
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apol_: it'll get moved to -updates eventually
[17:14] <shadeslayer> just not right away, this is done in order to prevent archive skew and when SRU'ing it's a testing ground for checking regressions
[17:14] <ScottK> apol_: We have a testing policy that mandates a waiting period so regressions can be detected.  It's only waived in extreme cases.
[17:14] <Riddell> people got a bit grumpy one time when an X update stopped X from working
[17:14] <apol_> how does a mandating period benefit users? it's a bug fix release!!
[17:15] <Riddell> new bugs can slip into bug fix releases
[17:15] <apol_> Riddell: you can blame it on us, it's not a problem
[17:15] <ScottK> apol_: We have over 20,000 source packages in the distro.  It's a problem.
[17:16] <apol_> Riddell: that's why we have maintainers, for making sure it doesn't happen
[17:17] <apol_> Riddell: we won't ever say it's a distributors fault
[17:17] <apol_> but well, we spend hours fixing stuff for people to be happy and then having contention walls to this is frustrating
[17:18] <apol_> and more even if the argument for not letting these things through is that we might not have done well our job
[17:18] <ScottK> It's a general policy that's applied everywhere.
[17:18] <apol_> well
[17:18]  * apol_ is sad
[17:18] <ScottK> As the general case we don't take new upstream versions post-release at all.
[17:19] <ScottK> So the fact that it's getting in at all is an favorable indication of upstream quality.
[17:21] <apol_> well thank you for trusting KDE's fixes
[17:21] <yofel__> hm
[17:22] <ScottK> Speaking of which ...
[17:22] <ScottK> yofel__: Did we get the krunner or whatever it was regression in 4.9.3 sorted out?
[17:22] <yofel__> aseigo reverted his commit, I'll take care of it when I get home
[17:23] <yofel__> unless someone else wants to do it
[17:23] <ScottK> Cool.
[17:23] <yofel__> but speaking of which...
[17:23] <yofel__> yofel_: verify your skanlite SRU
[17:24] <ScottK> apol_: We do see regressions in KDE post-release updates sometimes, so testing is prudent.
[17:25] <apol_> ScottK: well, you didn't test the current version...
[17:26] <ScottK> Of what?  In particular there was a workspace regression in 4.9.3.  That is the current version.
[17:26] <apol_> ScottK: kdevelpo
[17:26] <apol_> kdevelop
[17:27] <ScottK> Yes, because I'm not a kdevelop user.  Me testing it wouldn't make much since.
[17:27] <ScottK> Now if someone would package the Python plugin, that might change.
[17:27] <apol_> ScottK: who's testing KDevelop?
[17:27]  * ScottK isn't sure.
[17:27] <apol_> prfff
[17:27] <Riddell> I uploaded an unstable kdevelop after consulting with upstream who were sure the stable version would be out in time for the kubuntu 12.10 release
[17:28] <apol_> Riddell: yes I remember
[17:28] <Riddell> it wasn't, which happens with software, and arguably I should have downgraded or removed it
[17:28] <apol_> well we've had it fixed for some days already
[17:29] <apol_> a month actually
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[17:30] <Riddell> yeah, we should have been faster doing the update
[17:30] <apol_> well... isn't it just that nobody has offered the fixed package to end users?
[17:32] <Riddell> we're in the process of doing so
[17:32]  * apol_ doesn't understand
[17:33] <apol_> I guess I should just let go -.-
[17:35] <Riddell> apol_: would be good to have testers check the bugs are fixed and comment on bug 1067611
[17:35] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1067611 in kdevelop (Ubuntu Quantal) "[SRU] Meta bug for tracking KDevelop SRU" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067611
[17:35]  * yofel__ makes his way home - bbiab
[17:36] <Tygart> Is it a good idea to use Pre-released Updates (I am testing 13.04) 
[17:36] <genii-around> Darn. I wanted to ask him if there was some fix for bug 1002736 in Quantal
[17:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1002736 in synaptiks (Ubuntu) "[xorg-edgers] Synaptics driver crashes KDE touchpad control module" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1002736
[17:37] <apol_> Riddell: so I should be using the other repo?
[17:37] <yofel__> genii-around: if you meant me, I totally forgot about that, ping me in an ~hour
[17:38] <apol_> Riddell: I try to use KDevelop stable in this computer to see what people will be using
[17:38] <genii-around> yofel__: OK, thanks
[17:38]  * apol_ has to ho
[17:39] <apol_> *go
[17:39] <apol_> bbl
[17:39] <Riddell> Tygart: not for unreleased version unless there's a paticular package you need to test
[17:40] <Tygart> Riddell: Ok, I am just looking for something to do.  
[17:40] <Tygart> Thanks
[17:44] <BluesKaj> BBL...
[17:46] <Riddell> Tygart: oh in that case, testing lightdm-kde_0.3.0-1ubuntu1 from raring-proposed would be good once it's built :)
[17:46] <Tygart> Riddell: how will I get it? 
[17:47] <Riddell> Tygart: enable Pre-released Updates
[17:47] <Riddell> and see if it's available in the updates
[17:49] <Tygart> Riddell: will I be able to choose only that update? 
[17:50] <Tygart> sorry, I haven't done this before. 
[17:52] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:53] <shadeslayer> you can upgrade via muon or do sudo apt-get install light-dm-kde-greeter 
[17:53] <shadeslayer> lightdm-kde-greeter even
[18:04] <Tygart> shadeslayer: Thanks.. 
[18:09] <ScottK> Anyone running precise on a laptop/netbook?
[18:26] <genii-around> ScottK: Somewhere I have it running on an Acer D260. The machine is at home right now though
[18:36] <yofel_> shadeslayer: weren't you still on precise?
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[18:36] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:36] <shadeslayer> but it's a bit of a horrible install
[18:36] <shadeslayer> but, ssup?
[18:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: if that mac of yours has precise on it ScottK was looking for precise laptops
[18:44] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: whatcha need it for?
[18:45] <shadeslayer> I'm wary of upgrading because there's so much work involved
[18:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: There are kde-workspace and synaptiks SRUs that need verification.
[18:45] <shadeslayer> alright
[18:45] <shadeslayer> but, I'm on 4.9.3
[18:45] <ScottK> The workspace one needs a battery and the synaptiks on needs a touchpad.
[18:45] <ScottK> Synaptiks should be fine.
[18:46] <shadeslayer> okay then
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: uhhh ... the kcm module works fine for me
[18:49] <ScottK> Sigh.
[18:49] <ScottK> You didn't install the proposed stuff before and forget did you?
[18:50] <shadeslayer> I don't think so, I reinstalled the package and it's 0.8.1-1ubuntu1
[19:21] <genii-around> yofel: Ping
[19:29] <yofel> genii-around: pong, will get to it shortly
[19:31] <genii-around> yofel: OK. The user which was having the issue in #kubuntu has left, but if there is some way to explain a solution to them if they return, it would be much appreciated.
[19:52] <yofel> genii-around: how does that affect quantal though? I'll upload it for raring, but the only driver version that the bug has been confirmed with isn't in the archive for quantal
[19:57] <genii-around> yofel: I assumed they were running Quantal since they asked in the regular channel and not +1, but I don't think it was actually asked what version they were on. The symptoms matched the bug exactly. 
[19:58] <genii-around> If they return I'll try to extract more information.
[20:05] <yofel> yeah, I looked at the backlog, but it's kind of weird that s/he reports that it started crashing afer the driver setup (which involved some PPA's it seems)
[20:39] <Riddell> "Welcome to the Steam for Linux limited beta"  do I want to join this?
[20:41] <genii-around> Riddell: Ironically in one of the ops channels, it was just mentioned that #ubuntu-steam is now open
[20:43] <Tm_T> Riddell: no, steam must mean something toxic /:
[20:44] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  We don't want you distracted from making Kubuntu more wonderful.
[20:44] <Riddell> but maybe I'm missing out on this whole gaming thing
[20:44] <Riddell> maybe it's a really fun and productive use of my time
[20:45] <ScottK> Oh hey, I got one too.
[20:49] <jjesse> everyone that went to UDS got one i think
[20:49] <Tm_T> yup
[20:52] <shadeslayer> yay
[20:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: if you have a spare key
[20:53] <shadeslayer> some friends want one
[20:53] <shadeslayer> give me yer spare keys! :P
[20:54] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If they want keys, they should have gone to UDS.
[20:54] <ScottK> (or at least registered as going in LP)
[20:59] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[22:01] <ScottK> OK.  Reinstalling precise on the netbook for some SRU verification ...