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bdmurrayI verified the fix for bug 1076186 - maybe it can be fast tracked?00:26
ubot2Launchpad bug 1076186 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Quantal) "not possible to upgrade to raring" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107618600:26
infinitybdmurray: Looking.00:44
infinitybdmurray: What breaks without those dh_ fixes (and how did we not notice that in the previous uploads?)00:47
infinitybdmurray: Oh, I'm guessing all but the _clean one were no-ops, and no one notices when clean fails? :P00:48
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infinityapw: So much for resetting the build number on the move to -1? :)01:40
infinitycjwatson: So, uhm.  I'm guessing britney has no magic in place to match the nbs report's clever handling of d-i-images?01:50
cjwatsonNo, not as yet01:51
infinityThis could prove irksome.01:51
* infinity wonders why the module list only changed on ppc...01:51
cjwatsonWell, different source now01:54
infinityYes, I mean, I wonder why they gratuitously changed from master. :P01:54
cjwatsonYeah, can't help you there01:55
infinityhttps://github.com/benmcollins/ubuntu-raring-powerpc/commit/e3447de62300abec9634e145db45b14a2f23268e01:59
infinityHrm.01:59
infinityWas there no pcmcia on powerbooks?01:59
infinityThere totally was. :/02:00
dokoat least my 12" doesn't have one02:00
infinityA quick google for "pcmcia powerbook" shows a slot on several of the G3 and G4 models.02:01
cjwatsonI had PCMCIA on my PowerBook02:01
cjwatsonWell, CardBus02:01
cjwatsonI think it was CardBus.  I forget all the terms now ...02:02
infinityKinda curious about the removal of serial-modules.udeb too, but I'm not sure what was actually in it.02:03
evcan someone please reject that txstatsd and tastypie upload?11:02
evI put the wrong option in -f, sorry11:02
everr rather I didn't put in the ppa11:02
davmor2ev hmmm tasty pie11:04
evit's not delicious, I assure you11:05
davmor2ev noooooooooooo the pie can't lie I already found out the cake was you can't steal the pie too11:06
xnoxafter tastypie, you can always $ apt-get install guilt =))) but it's only a suggests relationship.11:06
ev:)11:06
xnox!info guilt11:06
ubot2'maverick' is not a valid distribution:11:06
* xnox goes to #ubuntu-irc for a second.11:06
xnox!info guilt11:07
ubot2'maverick' is not a valid distribution:11:07
infinityev: I see txstatsd, where's tastypie hiding?11:07
infinityOh, there.11:08
xnoxubottu> guilt (source: guilt): quilt for git; similar to Mercurial queues. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.35-1 (quantal), package size 56 kB, installed size 145 kB11:08
evthanks infinity11:08
infinityNP.  Always happy to reject your uploads.11:09
infinityA++, would reject again.11:09
ogra-cb_infinity, ... nexus7 ?11:09
infinityogra-cb_: Sure, I can reject that too, if you like.11:09
ogra-cb_:P11:09
infinityLet me nap first.  Ping me with some violence in ~5h.11:10
ogra-cb_ok11:10
infinityI got sidetracked with glibc most of yesterday, sorry. :/11:10
ogra-cb_well, no new builder yet, so it is still not auper urgent11:10
ogra-cb_*super11:10
ogra-cb_but be prepared that i start whining once there is a builder (tomorrow according to IS)11:11
ogra-cb_:)11:11
infinityHeh.  I'm prepared for whining. ;)11:11
infinityHave you already got all the cdimage/live* bits in place and tested locally?11:12
ogra-cb_well, mostly11:12
ogra-cb_i@m at a point where i would like to have real builds to fine tune, generally they should work11:13
ogra-cb_and i havent done any work on the publishing stuff in cdimage yet, but i want to have img files for that11:13
infinityAhh, it's leveraging the ac100 tarball bits?  Handy.11:13
ogra-cb_right11:13
infinityLet the hacks live on!11:13
ogra-cb_heh11:14
ogra-cb_xnox wants us to distribute a combined tarball image instead of two files, so that will still need some fiddling in debian-cd and cdimage11:15
infinityInstead of bootimg/img, you mean?11:15
ogra-cb_right11:15
infinityIs that doable?11:15
ogra-cb_and having usb-creator unpack it11:15
xnoxogra-cb_: correction at uds we agreed to provide combined tarball (ev, xnox and ogra are all share blame here ;-) )11:16
infinityOh.  But that means people without usb-creator will have an extra manual unpack step.11:16
ogra-cb_tar xzvf ubuntu-desktop.tar.gz *.bootimg *.img11:16
ogra-cb_err11:16
ogra-cb_czvf11:16
infinityI suppose that's not world-ending.11:16
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ogra-cb_infinity, right, but only one download11:16
infinityYeah, fair enough.11:16
ogra-cb_and its harder to download two non matching files that way11:16
infinityMight I suggest zip instead of tar.gz?11:16
ogra-cb_sure11:17
ogra-cb_i would even prefer a format that cdimage doesnt know about yet11:17
xnoxinfinity: are zip's rsyncable / zsyncable?11:17
ogra-cb_instead of having to extend an existing one11:17
* xnox doesn't feel like re downloading full nexus7 images every day.......11:18
infinityxnox: Oh, that I'm not sure of.  But easily researchable/testable.  I was mostly thinking if someone wanted to write up a quick "how to do this from Windows" doc, the first step being "download some weird third-party archive manager" is a bit unfriendly.11:18
ogra-cb_tar.gz is currently handled as "root filesystem archive"11:18
ogra-cb_having to hack that upp to actually know it is not will be a bit painful11:18
knomewhen's status.u.c updated with more blueprints/topics? :)11:18
xnoxinfinity: ogra-cb_: what is that fastboots "update tarball thingy"? can it only have the boot & userdata without recovery?11:18
ogra-cb_xnox, i think that refers to an update.zip which we explicitly avoided11:19
xnoxis that zip? cause it would be nice to be able to point Mac/Windows users at the AndroidSDK tools.11:19
xnoxand say, use those.11:19
infinityxnox: I see some claims that zip is pretty rsync friendly.11:19
ogra-cb_gzip definitely has an option for rsync11:20
ogra-cb_--rsyncable or so11:20
infinitygzip != zip11:20
ogra-cb_oh, indeed11:20
xnoxknome: it autoupdates itself a few times a day. but the blueprints should be accepted for the raring series to show up on the status tracker.11:21
infinityAh-ha.11:22
knomexnox, ok. who can do that?11:22
infinityFor maximum rsyncability, just use "zip -0", since the contents are already compressed anyway.11:22
ogra-cb_knome, the approver :)11:22
infinityThen you're just getting an uncompressed archive, not unlike a tar, but more cross-platform friendly.11:22
ogra-cb_yeah11:22
knomeogra-cb_, no. i can only propose for raring, even if i am the approver11:22
xnoxinfinity: sounds good.11:22
knomeogra-cb_, if that's a bug, pretty please give me more rights to approve for raring :)11:23
xnoxogra-cb_: i think you need special extra magic powers =))))11:23
knomeimo flavor leads should have that11:23
ogra-cb_knome, lol, what makes you think i can ?11:23
ogra-cb_++11:23
ogra-cb_fully agreed11:23
knomeogra-cb_, no idea. doesn't hurt to knock on all the doors.11:23
knome:)11:23
infinityogra-cb_: Or "zip --compression-method store" if you prefer your command line options to be self-documenting (-0 isn't exactly intuitive).11:23
ogra-cb_i guess you might need to ask in #launchpad11:23
cjwatsonThe organisation of the Ubuntu project isn't #launchpad's business11:24
cjwatsonAsk the tech board list11:24
ogra-cb_infinity, k, i'll use that in the debian-cd post-boot stuff11:24
knomecjwatson, cheers. do you have any idea if that's feasible though?11:24
cjwatsonknome: It's technically possible, but since "flavour leads should all be drivers, even those who weren't track leads at UDS" isn't something that's been articulated as a general policy before, we'd want to talk about it11:26
infinityxnox: Anyhow, should you be curious, it looks like zip's storage structure is very rsyncable, even when using deflate (ie: compression) instead of store (none), so learned something new today.11:27
xnoxinfinity: \0/ awesome.11:27
knomecjwatson, okay11:27
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Riddellam I doing something wrong in removing this package? http://paste.kde.org/607310/14:24
ScottKYou can't remove from the release pocket post-release that way.14:26
cjwatsonRiddell: There's a set of known timeouts affecting LP at the moment.  I suggest deferring removals until a later day.14:26
cjwatsonThough ScottK is right too.14:26
cjwatsonEven if you'd got past the timeout it would (hopefully) have refused on the grounds that that pocket is immutable.14:26
* ScottK doesn't know what the process is for that.14:26
cjwatsonErk, or possibly not; I don't see anything clear in the code to forbid it14:27
cjwatsonSo please don't try14:27
cjwatsonAt any rate the change would never be published14:27
cjwatsonYou need to upload a new version that either fixes the problems or renders the package useless.14:27
cjwatsonYou should think about as hard about the latter as you might expect ...14:28
Riddellug, that's new(ish) I've removed packages from released versions before14:29
xnoxRiddell: in the devel release. not post-release.14:30
xnoxalso why?14:30
cjwatsonRiddell: No, it's not new at all.14:30
cjwatsonRiddell: Perhaps you only thought you had removed them, or perhaps you removed from a post-release pocket.14:31
cjwatsonIt has *never* been permitted (except perhaps accidentally, but definitely not by policy) to remove from the release pocket.14:31
Riddellthere's no security fix for owncloud other than "upgrade to the latest" and a backport isn't possible (I counted about 15 other packages needing a backport before I gave up)14:31
xnoxyou can remove from -proposed14:31
cjwatsonxnox: Which is useless.  Can I handle this?14:34
cjwatsonRiddell: The only release pocket whose Release file is dated after release is hardy.14:34
cjwatsonSo it's possible that a mistake was made there (I vaguely remember something, although I don't think it was a removal - could be wrong)14:35
cjwatsonxnox: (owncloud isn't *in* oneiric-proposed, so nothing to remove, and removals of things that don't exist in a pocket don't work that way)14:36
cjwatsonThere are no publishing records dated from 2012-04-25 onwards in hardy, so I think that timestamp is misleading.14:37
xnoxcjwatson: sorry, wasn't clear. and indeed it's not in oneiric-proposed, so moot.14:37
cjwatsonRiddell: The only thing that can be done in that case is to replace the package in -proposed with one that refuses to do anything.14:38
Riddellug14:40
cjwatsonAfter all nothing else would close the security hole for oneiric users anyway14:40
cjwatsonAnyway, it's been this way since warty14:42
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TheLordOfTimestgraber, around-ish?15:37
stgraberTheLordOfTime: yep, what's up?15:37
TheLordOfTimegot time to jump into -bugs for a second?15:38
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bdmurraywhy does rmadison still return natty info?16:23
stgraberbdmurray: my guess would be that the archive mirror on lillypilly is still mirroring natty (as it still exists on archive.u.c)16:25
ScottKIt's usually somewhat after EOL that things get moved to old-releases.16:30
bdmurrayIts almost been a month! ;-)16:30
TheLordOfTimeheh16:32
cjwatsonbdmurray: because I hadn't deleted it from the config.  fixed17:04
bdmurraycjwatson: thanks17:06
rtgcan I get the Nexus7 packages NEWed for Raring ? linux-nexus7, linux-meta-nexus7, and linux-firmware-nexus718:12
infinityrtg: Working on it nowish.18:36
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infinitystgraber: Has queuebot given up on !raring?20:19
stgraberinfinity: hmm, shouldn't have, what did it miss?20:21
infinitystgraber: I know bdmurray accepted some SRUs a while back, since I see them building (eglibc in lucid and oneiric).20:22
infinitystgraber: And looking through backscroll, all I see is a lot of raring, so I'm making assumptions. :P20:22
infinitystgraber: In fact, backscroll doesn't show it catching those uploads either.20:23
infinitySame with gccgo-4.7/precise, and likely a bunch of others.20:24
stgraberhmm, right, last one for !raring was 9 hours ago20:24
stgraberso apparently it received an unknown or corrupted status for some uploads in LP, sadly the code to catch that and raise an exception was buggy and raising itself an exception... I fixed it now so if it happens again I should be able to figure out what's going on20:27
stgraber(forgot to rotate the log, was getting pretty big...)20:28
* stgraber needs to get queuebot to reload its config without restarting entirely...20:31
stgraberoops, wrong debug value, that's the "let's dump all the queues at startup time" option and I don't quite want that...20:33
stgrabersorry for the spam, everything should be back to normal now...20:35
kenvandinecan someone please reject friends from the quantal-proposed NEW queue?  that was an accidental dput :)20:42
infinitykenvandine: Done.20:42
kenvandinethanks!20:42
slangasekkenvandine: we are always happy to reject friends20:53
kenvandineslangasek, lol20:53
micahgstgraber: ^^ have fun :)21:55
stgrabermicahg: yay! I'll check that we don't have any bad bugs with lxc on quantal and if all looks good, will request a backport for it too21:56
doko infinity what was the reason for the boost-mpi reject for quantal?23:30
infinitydoko: I didn't reject it, but at a glance, I'd say because it has absolutely no reference in the changelog as to why it was uploaded?23:35
dokoinfinity, because it always has to match the exact version of boost23:35
dokomain/universe split23:36
infinitydoko: Yes, IRC isn't a changelog.  It should have a task in the bug, and get closed.23:36
infinityIn fact, it DOES have a task on the SRU bug.  All the more reason the upload was wrong to not reference it.23:36
xnoxdoko: I think ScottK pinged the sponsoree about rejecting it and asking to reupload with a changelog bug #.23:37
infinitydoko: If you want to just fix it up and reupload, I'll review the pair of them.23:37
dokopair? wasn't the other one accepted?23:37
infinityNo, it's sitting in the queue.23:38
xnoxinfinity: the person who created the package didn't know about mpi package in the first place, and I opened the bug task with a comment. My fault at not following up and demanding for the second package to close the bug #.23:38
dokodoing it now ...23:38
infinityxnox: Not your fault at all that someone SRUed without a reference.23:38
infinitydoko: Anyhow, modulo the bug closure, they both look sane to me.  So, if the new one's the same diff, I'll let 'em both in ASAP.23:39
dokoinfinity, ^^^23:51
* xnox lost the game23:52

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