[04:28] <KilosKid> Anyone in here?
[06:10] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:11] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:11] <Kilos> all good there at home superfly ?
[06:11] <superfly> Kilos: mostly
[06:12] <Kilos> aw mostly?
[06:12] <Kilos> supposed to be all good
[06:12] <superfly> Just the usual family growing pains... working out how to deal with things
[06:12] <Kilos> ai
[06:13] <Kilos> and life is so much faster than it used to be
[06:14] <Kilos> and you guys dont get enough sleep
[06:14] <Kilos> worse with small kids as well. they sleep when it suits them and expect the same from you
[06:14] <Kilos> sleep when it suits them that is
[06:15] <Kilos> but keep good records and one day you can look back and have a good laugh
[06:16] <Kilos> or beat them up when they grown 
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe
[06:16]  * Kilos keeps quiet now or the pro will say i talk to much
[06:17]  * superfly went to bed after 1am last night
[06:17] <Kilos> eish
[06:18] <superfly> As I said to mrs_fly last night though, if I must go to bed at 1am so that my children can spend the evening with their father, then I will. It is better for me to be tired than for them to grow up without a father.
[06:20] <Kilos> yip i agree but it gets you to a real poegaai state
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: Well, if that's what it takes, then that is what it takes. I chose to be a father, I accept the responsibility and I will put my children first.
[06:22] <Kilos> heres a new site for those interested
[06:22] <Kilos> http://www.androidquestions.org/forum.php
[06:22] <Kilos> good man
[06:23] <Kilos> store up blessings in heaven not here
[06:23] <Squirm> hi
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[06:32] <superfly> yo Squirm, Vince-0
[06:33] <Kilos> lo Vince-0 
[06:33] <Kilos> pc took 15 mins to boot today
[06:33] <Kilos> got a sick sata 160g plugged in as second drive
[06:34] <Kilos> shows in bios and gparted shows it as unallocated
[06:34] <Kilos> so trying the gpart recovery tool
[06:34] <Vince-0> Haai!
[06:37] <Kilos> oh is there a command whereby i can clone this drive onto the second drive and will it clone the mbr as well
[06:37] <superfly> Kilos: dd, but you don't want to use that
[06:38] <Kilos> i mean is there one i can use
[06:38] <Kilos> only dd i use at times is the drive zero one
[06:43] <Kilos> found this superfly but not sure if it will do mbr boot and all
[06:43] <Kilos> rsync -avx --progress / /new-disk/
[06:44] <superfly> Kilos: no, rsync only looks at files on a file system, not raw bytes
[06:44] <Kilos> ah ty misleading link then
[06:44] <Kilos> http://superuser.com/questions/307541/copy-
[07:41] <Kilos> ian was called out at midnight . office/workshop had been broken into and got back at 3am so also tired today
[08:58] <Kilos> hi Tonberry timkeller 
[08:58] <timkeller> Hi Kilos
[08:59] <Kilos> evening inetpro 
[09:02] <Tonberry> hi
[09:11] <Kilos> ohi KilosKid 
[09:11] <KilosKid> Yo.
[10:40] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:42] <inetpro> Kilos: where is kiloskid in Australia, as in what timezone?
[10:42] <Kilos> in aus 8 or 9 hours ahead of us
[10:43] <Kilos> shes coming
[10:43] <Kilos> dont just lurk KilosKid say hi or something
[10:44] <inetpro> KilosKid: good morning, what town are you in?
[10:44] <Kilos> melbourne
[10:44] <KilosKid> Yo
[10:44] <KilosKid> lol Kilos, that's funny. Everyone else is lurking. :P
[10:45]  * inetpro putting the timezone for Melbourne on tzwatch 
[10:45] <Kilos> they are working mostly
[10:46] <Kilos> and peek to see if anything interesting is happening now and again
[10:47] <inetpro> KilosKid: would that be EDT (Eastern Daylight Time)?
[10:47] <KilosKid> Yep. :)
[10:47] <KilosKid> It's currently 21:47pm
[10:47] <KilosKid> obviously it's pm....
[10:47] <Kilos> still 8 ahead
[10:47] <Kilos> when they move away
[10:48] <Kilos> oh no its 9
[10:49] <Kilos> weird how they move the country closer and further in winter and summer
[10:49] <KilosKid> lol
[10:49] <Kilos> we stay stable all year
[10:49] <superfly> KilosKid: every time you say hi, I'm not at my desk, and then just as I get to my desk, you disappeared :-P
[10:51] <KilosKid> SUPAHflahhhh.
[10:51] <KilosKid> I did the whole "leave comp on login page for overnight"
[10:51] <KilosKid> For about eight hours
[10:51] <KilosKid> It didn't freeze.
[10:51] <KilosKid> But, my comp doesn't freeze anymore anyway when I just leave it on its own
[10:52] <KilosKid> Typically, when I leave it alone, I close everything anyway.
[10:52] <superfly> OK, so that's a step in the right direction
[10:54] <KilosKid> How so?
[10:54] <KilosKid> Just insofar as troubleshooting further?
[10:54] <superfly> it's not just freezing anytime
[10:54] <KilosKid> It was freezing when I was using dash
[10:54] <KilosKid> And then Kilos had me do a thingy that auto-configured stuff to avoid clashes
[10:54] <KilosKid> And I think it's okay now
[10:54] <superfly> OK
[10:54] <superfly> Kilos: ^^ autoconfigure?
[10:55] <Kilos> dpkg --configure -a
[10:55] <Kilos> all i could think of
[10:55] <KilosKid> When I had Windows, my art program (photoshop) and music program were installed, and they were also causing the comp to freeze (along with Youtube).
[10:55] <KilosKid> I'd imagine that the problem is the same. If I installed GIMP and my music program, chances are it would still freeze
[10:56] <KilosKid> I just only check Youtube because I know that as long as Youtube is freezing, so too will those two big programs
[10:56] <superfly> KilosKid: you never know until you try
[10:56] <KilosKid> Also, the last time I installed my music program, Windows blue screened the ULTIMATE blue screen and I had to reformat.
[10:56] <KilosKid> So... Yes.
[10:56] <KilosKid> I don't want to install anything until I fix this issue.
[10:56] <superfly> what is your music program?
[10:57] <KilosKid> It's what came with my microphone
[10:57] <KilosKid> Avid Pro Tools SE.
[10:57] <superfly> oh right
[10:57] <Kilos> superfly, is there a stress tester one can use to pinpoint the prob area of the hardware
[10:57] <Kilos> somewhere in mb methinks
[10:57] <KilosKid> There's something called MPrime that stresses the CPU
[10:58] <KilosKid> Right now, it's looking like it might be the PSU, CPU, or motherboard.
[10:58] <inetpro> KilosKid: sorry if I don't respond, trying to work here as well
[10:58] <KilosKid> That's alright.
[11:00] <Kilos> i actually have a stress cd somewhere but couldnt use it because it asked for a password
[11:00] <Kilos> grrr
[11:01] <KilosKid> lol
[11:01] <KilosKid> awe
[11:01] <superfly> KilosKid: You might want to try Ardour as an alternative to Pro Tools
[11:02] <inetpro> BTW the timezone I had to add for tzwatch was for 'Australia/Sydney'
[11:02]  * inetpro enjoys tzwatch
[11:02] <KilosKid> Oooh
[11:02] <KilosKid> That works, inetpro. Sydney is on the east coast too, right above Victoria/Melb.
[11:03] <KilosKid> Its three reviews don't instill confidence.
[11:03] <inetpro> I just enter tzwatch on the cli and it shows me all the multiple zones I have entered so far (of people I know in the different regions)
[11:03] <KilosKid> I would like to get tzwatch
[11:04] <inetpro> sudo aptitude install tzwatch
[11:04] <Kilos> Maaz, google stress linux cd download
[11:04] <Maaz> Kilos: "Stresslinux" http://www.stresslinux.org/ :: "Linux Stress Testing and Benchmarking - Overclockers Forums" http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486495 :: "Download StressLinux 0.7.106 for Linux - A minimal Linux ..." http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Linux-Distributions/StressLinux-2070.shtml :: "Download StressLinux
[11:04] <Maaz> v0.7.106 (64-bit) live CD Torrent | 1337x.org" http://1337x.org/torrent/386728/StressLinux-v0…
[11:04] <inetpro> a very simple small yet effective little utility
[11:05] <KilosKid> Thanks inetpro
[11:06] <inetpro> use 'tzwatch -c' to configure
[11:06] <superfly> inetpro: apt-get, aptitude doesn't work with multiarch
[11:07] <inetpro> superfly: multiarch?
[11:07] <inetpro> superfly: KilosKid not on Ubuntu?
[11:07] <superfly> inetpro: yup, we've moved away from ia32-libs to multiarch
[11:08] <inetpro> hang on, let me understand that
[11:08] <KilosKid> inetpro: Yes, I'm using Ubuntu.
[11:08] <inetpro> superfly: what do you mean with that?
[11:08] <KilosKid> *confused*
[11:08]  * KilosKid is confused.
[11:08] <KilosKid> Ehem.
[11:08] <superfly> inetpro: linux used to have a system called ia32-libs in order to install 32-bit libraries on 64-bit linux.
[11:09] <superfly> KilosKid: just ignore us for the moment, we're talking geeky technical details :-)
[11:09] <KilosKid> superfly: lol, I'll say. :P
[11:09] <inetpro> and you can no longer aptitude because of that?
[11:09] <KilosKid> The tzwatch worked with aptitude though.
[11:09] <KilosKid> Is it supposed to have me work out the time zone settings in the terminal?
[11:10] <inetpro> KilosKid: yep
[11:10] <superfly> inetpro: but as of 12.04 and 12.10, Ubuntu has moved to use multiarch instead... so you install a 32bit package via apt-get install package-name:i386
[11:10] <inetpro> hmm... 
[11:10] <KilosKid> Okay, so should I install this Stresslinux thingy?
[11:10]  * inetpro will have to read some more about that... later
[11:10] <superfly> inetpro: unfortunately aptitude is unable to deal with multiarch at the moment (I believe they are working on it) so it is safer to install software using apt-get if you are on a 64-bit system
[11:10] <inetpro> superfly: thanks for the heads up
[11:11] <KilosKid> What bit is my system?
[11:11] <KilosKid> My Windows was 32 bit
[11:11] <superfly> inetpro: aptitude nearly destroyed my PC when I upgraded to 12.04
[11:11] <KilosKid> So does that mean that my system is 32 bit, or?
[11:11] <inetpro> KilosKid: most likely 32bit
[11:11] <superfly> KilosKid: I don't know, but most likely
[11:12] <superfly> KilosKid: what you can do is to download StreeLinux, and then run it from CD
[11:12]  * inetpro back to work, will be back later
[11:12] <KilosKid> Toodles, inetpro.
[11:12] <KilosKid> Superfly: StreeLinux?
[11:12] <superfly> ag, StressLinux
[11:12] <KilosKid> That forum, btw, just confused me. My poor brain. I've got PC-terms overload.
[11:13] <superfly> KilosKid: it looks quite technical though, so you'll probably want to double-check with us before you do anything
[11:13] <KilosKid> Okay, I will download StressLinux. Should I get it from the download link on the website, or using synaptic/ternimal?
[11:14] <superfly> KilosKid: http://www.stresslinux.org/sl/wiki/Documentation
[11:14] <superfly> KilosKid: it's another version of Linux, like Ubuntu, but you run it from the CD
[11:15] <KilosKid> Like... Another OS?
[11:17] <inetpro> lol
[11:17] <superfly> KilosKid: yup, it's built on the same foundation as Ubuntu though
[11:17] <KilosKid> Why do I want another OS though?
[11:17] <superfly> KilosKid: you don't, as such. StressLinux just allows you to boot up a CD and use that CD to test your hardware. Once you're done you reboot and go back to using Ubuntu
[11:18]  * inetpro could not help notice that reaction from KilosKid
[11:18] <inetpro> KilosKid: check http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity
[11:18] <superfly> inetpro: let
[11:18] <KilosKid> Okay.
[11:18] <inetpro> it's a new world 
[11:18] <superfly> *let's not overwhelm the lass now, OK?
[11:18] <inetpro> :-)
[11:18] <inetpro> ok... I'll stay out of it
[11:18] <KilosKid> Is cdrecord already on my Ubuntu, or do I have to manually go get it?
[11:19] <superfly> KilosKid: You should be able to download the ISO file, and then just right-click on it and select "Burn to CD"
[11:19] <KilosKid> Okay.
[11:19] <Kilos> lol
[11:19] <superfly> if you need anything else, Ubuntu *should* take care of it automatically.
[11:19] <KilosKid> superfly: And where do I download it from?
[11:19] <KilosKid> What are you lolling at, Kilos?
[11:20] <Kilos> the probs reaction to why would you want another os
[11:20] <superfly> KilosKid: http://www.stresslinux.org/sl/downloads/52
[11:20] <KilosKid> I see.
[11:20] <superfly> that should probably be the right one for you
[11:21] <KilosKid> I have to open it with Archive Manager. Is there any problem with that, or can I go ahead?
[11:21] <superfly> KilosKid: like I said, this is all very technical, so take it easy, and if you're unsure of anything rather ask us first
[11:21] <Kilos> you didnt try running ubuntu from cd so you dont know you can actually run it from cd on a winsucks pc just to try it
[11:21] <superfly> KilosKid: that should be OK
[11:21] <KilosKid> I ran Ubuntu from a flash drive, yeah.'
[11:21] <KilosKid> Because it's too huge for my CDs
[11:21] <KilosKid> Does that mean this other OS is gonna be massive too?
[11:21] <KilosKid> I don't know how an external OS is supposed to be able to test the hardware...
[11:21] <superfly> big enough to fit on a CD
[11:22] <KilosKid> I'm not worried about big -enough-. I'm worried about -too- big.
[11:22] <superfly> KilosKid: don't worry, it will :-)
[11:22] <Kilos> you set bios to boot from cd and then use it from there
[11:22] <KilosKid> I have 700mb CDs. Ubuntu 12.10 is 765ish
[11:22] <KilosKid> I know, Kilos.
[11:22] <KilosKid> Okay superfly. how long is it supposed to take, and what should I be keeping an eye out for?
[11:22] <KilosKid> Will it write a report?
[11:23] <Kilos> it will show you on screen whats happpening
[11:23] <superfly> KilosKid: it'll take a little while, it first has to download the zip file, then unzip it, and then you'll be able to burn it to CD
[11:23] <KilosKid> I mean
[11:23] <KilosKid> Not that part
[11:23] <KilosKid> When it actually is running and testing the hardware.
[11:23] <superfly> oh... I don't know.
[11:24] <KilosKid> Alright.
[11:24] <superfly> I've never seen StressLinux before today
[11:24] <Kilos> is that link an iso download superfly 
[11:24] <superfly> Kilos: It's a gzipped ISO
[11:25] <superfly> uh, I mean, a bzip2'ed ISO
[11:25] <Kilos> ok then Kilos you unzip it
[11:25] <Kilos> extract right where you open it
[11:25] <Kilos> then right click that file and use 
[11:25] <Kilos> um
[11:25] <Kilos> eish
[11:25] <Kilos> brasero to burn to cd
[11:26] <Kilos> i mean brat not me
[11:26] <KilosKid> Oh.
[11:26] <KilosKid> 227 mbs. That's not bad.
[11:26] <KilosKid> lol
[11:26] <superfly> KilosKid: it still needs to unzip though
[11:26] <KilosKid> I know.
[11:26] <KilosKid> So the general idea is...
[11:27] <Kilos> double click it
[11:27] <KilosKid> Kilos, shh.
[11:27] <Kilos> then tick extract
[11:27] <KilosKid> You're saying things I know already :P
[11:27] <superfly> KilosKid: shh man, sy praat.
[11:27] <Kilos> ok go ahead
[11:27] <Kilos> lol
[11:27] <superfly> ag, Kilos
[11:27] <superfly> you know, it's flippin difficult to tab-complete to the right one of you two
[11:27] <KilosKid> Anyhoo... When running this thing, it will load the PC (etc, emulating big processes like using Youtube or a photo program, etc), and essentially trying to make the comp freeze, and then it will log what hardware caused the freeze?
[11:28] <KilosKid> WHAT IF IT COMES BACK WITH NO HARDWARE ISSUES?
[11:28] <KilosKid> Then I'm screwed. We've done all the software troubleshooting that's in existence, surely.
[11:29] <KilosKid> Besides, it shouldn't be software-related since I have had this freezing problem in two different OSes, and none of the same software.
[11:29] <superfly> KilosKid: something like that
[11:29] <superfly> yes, I also reckon it is a hardware issue
[11:29]  * inetpro agrees, she needs another name
[11:29] <KilosKid> Okay.
[11:29] <KilosKid> How about...
[11:29] <KilosKid> KidKilos
[11:29] <KilosKid> :D
[11:29] <KilosKid> Therefore, Kid is first.
[11:30] <inetpro> ai... about something with a k
[11:30] <KilosKid> Wait one, I go change it.
[11:30] <inetpro> I mean without a k
[11:30] <KilosKid> BabyKilos?
[11:30] <KilosKid> SpawnofKilos?
[11:30] <inetpro> sjoe nee
[11:30] <KilosKid> I'd put BratKilos, but I think Kilos would like that one too much.
[11:31] <inetpro> make it a nice name
[11:31] <Kilos> hehe
[11:31] <KilosKid> TaraLynnKilos.
[11:31] <KilosKid> How do I change it without logging out/in?
[11:31] <inetpro> type /nick and a new name
[11:32] <TaraLynnKilos> Yay
[11:32] <Kilos> whew poor peeps without tab complete
[11:33] <inetpro> ya that's a bit long but better than KilosKid
[11:33] <TaraKilos> Eish, there.
[11:33] <Kilos> brat is good
[11:33] <TaraKilos> Kilos, pay attention to your PIdgin, please.
[11:33] <Kilos> hmm
[11:33] <inetpro> anyway... go on with the super fly issues
[11:34] <Kilos> soooo cheeky
[11:35] <TaraKilos> I asked nicely. Bah.
[11:35] <Kilos> lol
[11:38] <TaraKilos> Whew.
[11:38] <TaraKilos> 154KBs/ps
[11:38] <TaraKilos> Stupid slow interwebs
[11:39] <Kilos> try gprs
[11:39] <TaraKilos> Where?
[11:39] <Kilos> you lucky to get to 40kB/s
[11:39] <TaraKilos> Oh
[11:39] <TaraKilos> lol
[11:39] <TaraKilos> I thowwy.
[11:39] <Kilos> when  you use fone as modem
[11:40] <TaraKilos> Oh, nope.
[11:40] <TaraKilos> The chat is still there in the window.
[11:40] <TaraKilos> There used to be an option "Clear IM chat" or something
[11:40] <Kilos> how can it come back
[11:40] <Kilos> it must clear
[11:41] <TaraKilos> I opened a different window.
[11:41] <TaraKilos> I think I have the settings set to "keep chat"
[11:41] <TaraKilos> One moment
[11:41] <Kilos> oh you have to close each one you want clear
[11:41] <TaraKilos> I know.
[11:41] <TaraKilos> That's not working
[11:41] <TaraKilos> The other one was clear because nothing had been typed
[11:41] <Kilos> restart pidgin then all gone
[11:43] <TaraKilos> Blah.
[11:43] <TaraKilos> Okeydoke.
[11:45] <TaraKilos> Oh, also
[11:45] <TaraKilos> superfly: How do I install drivers for my Lexmark All-In-One printer?
[11:46] <Kilos> did you boot with it plugged kiddo
[11:46] <superfly> TaraKilos: How is your printer plugged in?
[11:47] <TaraKilos> USB.
[11:47] <TaraKilos> I haven't plugged it in
[11:47] <TaraKilos> Actually
[11:48] <TaraKilos> I ran my comp from when it had been on all night, not logged in
[11:48] <TaraKilos> And then inside five mins of plugging in the printer, it froze
[11:48] <TaraKilos> I will restart with it plugged in and see what happens
[11:48] <TaraKilos> For now though, where do I extract StressLinux to?
[11:48] <Kilos> right where you open it
[11:48] <TaraKilos> So back into its own folder?
[11:48] <Kilos> on desktop or in the same file
[11:49] <Kilos> ya
[11:49] <Kilos> you said you know
[11:49]  * Kilos sighs
[11:49] <TaraKilos> I think I'll extract to Desktop
[11:49] <Kilos> hehe
[11:49] <TaraKilos> I said I know to right click and select extract
[11:49] <Kilos> yip thats good
[11:49] <TaraKilos> I was asking now if there was a specific place I should extract it to
[11:49] <TaraKilos> Sheesh
[11:50] <TaraKilos> Okay, brb.
[11:50] <Kilos> once extracted
[11:50] <Kilos> wait
[11:50] <Kilos> have you burned it already
[11:50] <nuvolari> the what what? Tara herself? or oom kilos?
[11:51] <Kilos> you right click and go open with
[11:51] <Kilos> brasero
[11:52] <TaraKilos> It's still extracting
[11:52] <TaraKilos> I will be back in about forty-five mins
[11:53] <Kilos> sjoe
[11:53] <Kilos> sy ook nuvolari 
[11:54] <Kilos> she can actually change nick to tara now
[11:54] <Kilos> everyone knows she be my brat
[11:55] <Kilos> those that dont can read logs
[11:55] <Kilos> shame
[11:55] <Kilos> ty superfly and inetpro 
[11:56] <Kilos> together we will get to the bottom o the prob and find a solution'
[11:56] <nuvolari> we have a celebrity in the house!
[11:58] <Kilos> ya but a stubborn one
[11:58] <Kilos> i was never like that
[12:07]  * Kilos cries
[12:07] <magespawn> howdy
[12:07] <Kilos> input/output error during write on /dev/sda1
[12:07] <superfly> hiya magespawn
[12:07] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[12:08] <magespawn> sure mister 52 clean installs
[12:08] <Kilos> near the end of detecting file system on 2 TB drive
[12:08] <Kilos> lol you also getting cheeky
[12:08] <magespawn> hey superfly kilos
[12:09] <magespawn> wait till i'm really tired like i will be on monday
[12:09] <Kilos> aw wassup\
[12:09] <magespawn> gonna be driving for 900 or so kms
[12:09] <Kilos> i still know some of the mafia in natal so np
[12:09] <Kilos> whew
[12:10] <Kilos> where going
[12:10] <Kilos> taking game away?
[12:11] <magespawn> three round trips hluhluwe - richards bay - mbazwana * 3
[12:11] <magespawn> the kid still getting the pc working i see
[12:12] <Kilos> ya slowly
[12:13] <Kilos> looks like she inherited murphys law from me
[12:15] <Kilos> Maaz, murphys law
[12:15] <Maaz> If something can give trouble, rest assured, it will
[12:18] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee on
[12:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[12:20] <magespawn> gotta go people are here
[12:20] <Kilos> toods magespawn 
[12:20] <Kilos> go safe
[12:21] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[12:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[12:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm and Kilos!
[12:22] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:22] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:11] <TaraKilos> Murphy's Law needs to go down to the very most horriblest pit of Hell and stay there.
[13:11] <TaraKilos> Suffering immeasurable torture.
[13:11] <TaraKilos> For eternity.
[13:12] <Kilos> lol
[13:12] <TaraKilos> Okay, my thingy extracted to the desktop. Can I just burn it to CD now?
[13:13] <Kilos> ya right click and open with brasero
[13:14] <TaraKilos> It says my disc has 469mbs of free space. But... these are 700mb discs. Whaaaat.
[13:14] <superfly> TaraKilos: you choose the right one?
[13:14] <superfly> TaraKilos: and did you select the .iso file, or the .bzr2 file?
[13:14] <TaraKilos> No. Sorry. I mean, Brasero says that my blank CD-R disc has 496MB space.
[13:15] <TaraKilos> I have no idea. When I clicked the link you gave me, it automatically popped up a 'save this file' box.
[13:15] <TaraKilos> Oh.
[13:15] <TaraKilos> It says it's iso
[13:16] <Kilos> thats the freesapce that will be left over
[13:17] <TaraKilos> Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[13:17] <TaraKilos> That makes perfect sense.
[13:17] <TaraKilos> Thanks Kilos, for helping me overcome that blonde moment
[13:17] <Kilos> lol
[13:17] <Kilos> yw
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Download the iso image and extract the bzip2 compressed archive.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Burn the .iso file with your favourite cd-r application.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Boot your target system with newly created disc.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     At first login with user: stress and password: stress
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Keyboard layout select will start, select your prefered keyboard layout
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     The next dialog shows sl-wizard, which allows you to load predefined lm_sensor configurations. If your mainboard is not listed, select Cancel.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     If sensors configuration got loaded and works, then you will see sensor readings on TTY12 (STRG+F12)
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Switching to TTY11 will show harddisk temprature readings, if a valid drive is detected.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     TTY10 shows you ethernet throughput on eth0 (needs working dhcp server on your network)
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     Tools for testing your system are listed in the motd. For little help on these tools type <toolname> --help
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     If you need to login into stresslinux via ssh, use the user "stress" with password "stress" . Use 'sudo -i' to get root rights.
[13:20] <TaraKilos>     If you want to rerun sl-wizard, then execute "rm /tmp/sensors". Now run sl-wizard.sh. 
[13:21] <TaraKilos> .... Good lord.
[13:21] <TaraKilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1360223/
[13:21] <TaraKilos> That's hurt-my-brain territory
[13:21] <Kilos> cant you do it with brasero
[13:21] <TaraKilos> Everything up to step 7 makes sense.
[13:22] <Kilos> now i see the password
[13:22] <Kilos> will try mine when pc gives probs
[13:22] <TaraKilos> lol
[13:23] <TaraKilos> Wow. Drive speed: 3100KiBs
[13:23] <TaraKilos> I have no idea what that number means
[13:23] <TaraKilos> But looking at the progress bar, it's going super fast
[13:23] <Tonberry> that is fairly slow
[13:24] <TaraKilos> Oh.
[13:24] <TaraKilos> Well it's fast for me.
[13:24] <TaraKilos> CPU is staying at 28c
[13:24] <TaraKilos> MB at 38c
[13:26] <TaraKilos> Okay, disc is made.
[13:26] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[13:26] <TaraKilos> But the steps from step 7 confuse me.
[13:27] <Kilos> when you start it it will ask for username and password
[13:27] <Kilos> both are stress
[13:27] <TaraKilos> Yes I know
[13:27] <TaraKilos> I said from step 7
[13:27] <Kilos> you will need another pc here when you do it
[13:28] <Kilos> once it lets you in then you  go sudo -i
[13:28] <TaraKilos> Wait
[13:29] <TaraKilos> I go get laptop
[13:29] <Kilos> then hope the fly is available to help further
[13:29] <Kilos> lol
[13:29] <Kilos> stroppy chick that
[13:43] <TaraKilos> Eeh
[13:44] <Kilos> wb
[13:44] <TaraKilos> ty
[13:44] <TaraKilos> So I selected keyboard
[13:44] <TaraKilos> Next step is all about sensor... thingies.
[13:44] <TaraKilos> hardware sensors. I have no idea what to do here.
[13:45] <TaraKilos> There are 70. Sheesh.
[13:45] <TaraKilos> Oh oh oh
[13:45] <TaraKilos> Please select your vendor mainboard.
[13:45] <TaraKilos> There are only four ASUS ones to check from
[13:45] <TaraKilos> How do I know which is mine?
[13:46] <Kilos> whew you gave it to us the other day
[13:46] <TaraKilos> The p5LK thing?
[13:46] <Kilos> ya
[13:46] <TaraKilos> Mine isn't on here.
[13:46] <TaraKilos> It says just to select cancel, right?
[13:46] <Kilos> then try highest number one 
[13:47] <Kilos> i dunno
[13:47] <TaraKilos> I sent you guys the link with the directions
[13:47] <TaraKilos> I don't have it on the laptop
[13:47] <Kilos> oh that pile of spam?sec
[13:47] <TaraKilos> Blah
     Download the iso image and extract the bzip2 compressed archive.
     Burn the .iso file with your favourite cd-r application.
     Boot your target system with newly created disc.
     At first login with user: stress and password: stress
     Keyboard layout select will start, select your prefered keyboard layout
     The next dialog shows sl-wizard, which allows you to load predefined lm_sensor configurations. If your mainboard is not listed, select Cancel.
[13:47] <TaraKilos> I put it on a pastebin after that
     If sensors configuration got loaded and works, then you will see sensor readings on TTY12 (STRG+F12)
     Switching to TTY11 will show harddisk temprature readings, if a valid drive is detected.
     TTY10 shows you ethernet throughput on eth0 (needs working dhcp server on your network)
     Tools for testing your system are listed in the motd. For little help on these tools type <toolname> --help
     If you need to login into stresslinux via ssh, use the user "stress" with password "stress" . Use 'sudo -i' to get root rights.
     If you want to rerun sl-wizard, then execute "rm /tmp/sensors". Now run sl-wizard.sh. 
[13:48] <Kilos> oops
[13:48] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1360223/
[13:48] <TaraKilos> looooool
[13:48] <Kilos> sorry i missed that
[13:48] <Kilos> the guys will swear at me now now
[13:48]  * Kilos hides
[13:49] <TaraKilos> Hm
[13:50] <TaraKilos> I have two CPUs, but only one is running
[13:50] <Kilos> 2 seperate ones
[13:50] <Kilos> or 2 cores in one
[13:51] <Kilos> i didnt go look your pics of it
[13:51] <TaraKilos> I have no idea
[13:51] <Kilos> there is a hyperthreading thing in bios should be on if you got core2 or dual core methinks
[13:51] <TaraKilos> Wait. Resizing screenshot of page
[13:52] <TaraKilos> I think it's dual core
[13:52] <Kilos> mail it to me
[13:52] <TaraKilos> oh yep
[13:52] <TaraKilos> it says it there
[13:52] <TaraKilos> I was gonna share it with everyone?
[13:52] <Kilos> ya but them cores are in one cpu housing
[13:52] <Kilos> oh you can
[13:54] <TaraKilos> http://shrinkpictures.com/processed/phpYmbSrCAM.jpg
[13:54] <TaraKilos> Sorry, it's a bit blurry
[13:55] <Kilos> no man that site sucks
[13:55] <Kilos> http://localhost/go_away_no_hotlinking_allowed
[13:55] <TaraKilos> Whoops
[13:55] <TaraKilos> I forgot I have to save it
[13:55] <TaraKilos> Ugh, my brain is hurting
[13:56] <TaraKilos> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUThing.jpg
[13:58] <Kilos> lshw will list your hardware
[13:59] <Kilos> what you wanna try cook first the cpu
[13:59] <TaraKilos> Wow... That was a huge list.
[13:59] <TaraKilos> And yeah.
[13:59] <TaraKilos> Maybe we should try cook what ISN'T the problem first
[13:59] <TaraKilos> Or rather, what we know isn't. Like the HDD. Or something.
[14:00] <Kilos> lol
[14:00] <TaraKilos> I guess I'll just type in 'stress' and hope the comp doesn't explode
[14:00] <Kilos> lemme see if i can work it out
[14:00] <Kilos> ya
[14:00] <TaraKilos> I wanna wait for Superfly's feedback, though
[14:00] <Kilos> watch for smoke and where it comes from
[14:00] <TaraKilos> lol
[14:00]  * TaraKilos cries.
[14:01] <Kilos> rofl
[14:01] <Kilos> wont happen man
[14:02] <Kilos> 'he will be hitting the train home shortly so you might only get him when he gets home and gets a break from family duties
[14:02] <TaraKilos> Darn
[14:02] <Kilos> but go with stress so long
[14:02] <TaraKilos> That's what I wanted his feedback on
[14:02] <TaraKilos> Buuuut okay...
[14:03] <Kilos> its a linux program so you should be safe
[14:03] <Kilos> it might rattle the windows a bit though
[14:03] <Kilos> and the doors
[14:04] <TaraKilos> lol
[14:04] <Tonberry> if it breaks something it would have broken pretty soon anyway
[14:05] <Kilos> ya
[14:05] <Kilos> i dont think its a prob
[14:05] <TaraKilos> Yeah
[14:05] <Kilos> just see readouts
[14:05] <TaraKilos> Took me to another menu 
[14:05] <Kilos> should give some info all the time i think
[14:05] <TaraKilos> Which I'm uploading a pic of
[14:05] <Kilos> lol
[14:06] <TaraKilos> Why is that funny?
[14:06] <Kilos> i got more pics of your pc here than mine
[14:06] <TaraKilos> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUThing2.jpg
[14:09] <Kilos> oh has it run stress already
[14:10] <TaraKilos> I have no idea. Probably not.
[14:10] <Kilos> or is this still the setup
[14:10] <TaraKilos> I typed in stress and that page came up
[14:10] <TaraKilos> I guess it's still setup?
[14:10] <Kilos> ah ok sec
[14:10] <Kilos> me go squint at it
[14:10] <TaraKilos> lol
[14:11] <Kilos> thats the stuff i always ask the guys to put into a neat command for me
[14:12] <Kilos> go stress -c
[14:12] <Kilos> and see what happens
[14:13] <TaraKilos> Ugh, nope
[14:13] <TaraKilos> I typed:
[14:13] <TaraKilos> stress -c
[14:13] <TaraKilos> stress -cpu
[14:13] <TaraKilos> stres --cpu
[14:13] <Kilos> oh and next time you reboot go bios and check that a thing called hyperthreading is enabled
[14:13] <TaraKilos> One thing at a time, please.
[14:14] <superfly> TaraKilos: according to the site, the username and password are both "stress"
[14:14] <TaraKilos> Yep, I did that.
[14:14] <TaraKilos> I typed in stress, and then go http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUThing2.jpg this page.
[14:14] <TaraKilos> got*
[14:14] <TaraKilos> I typed in stress to stress the CPU I mean
[14:15] <Kilos> it needs the bits and pices to complete the command superfly 
[14:15] <Kilos> like i always battle with
[14:16] <Kilos> TaraKilos, copy the warning line here
[14:16] <Kilos> copy and paste here
[14:16] <TaraKilos> First page I had was this one http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/CPUThing.jpg So I typed in 'stress' to stress the CPU/etc, and got that second one
[14:16] <TaraKilos> What warning line?
[14:16] <Kilos> on the second page
[14:16] <TaraKilos> But it's visible there on the image...
[14:16] <Kilos> warning output may be incomplete
[14:16] <Kilos> oh i see it but cant copy
[14:17] <TaraKilos> Do you want to copy it to google it?
[14:17] <Kilos> no then the fly can tell you if you must use that info to go in as superuser
[14:17] <superfly> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1 --timeout 10s
[14:17] <Kilos> see
[14:17] <TaraKilos> Fly can see the image too ,though. Right?
[14:18] <TaraKilos> So I type in: stress --cpu 8 ?
[14:18] <Kilos> theres your command to use
[14:18] <Kilos> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1 --timeout 10s
[14:18] <Kilos> tara ^^
[14:19] <Kilos> i leave you to the fly
[14:19] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[14:19] <TaraKilos> Successful run complete in 11 seconds.
[14:19] <TaraKilos> Whassat mean?
[14:20] <superfly> it was successful and only took 11 seconds?
[14:20] <TaraKilos> Well yes
[14:20] <TaraKilos> But does 'successful' mean 'no problems'?
[14:20] <superfly> remove the timeout option, and see what it does
[14:20] <TaraKilos> Okay.
[14:20] <TaraKilos> I just put 'stress --cpu 8
[14:20] <TaraKilos> Not sure why the 8 makes a different
[14:20] <TaraKilos> ce*
[14:22] <TaraKilos> Nothing so far. Who knows if this'll just keep going until I restart... hm.
[14:23] <TaraKilos> Shouldn't the fan spin faster if the CPU is loaded?
[14:23] <TaraKilos> And therefore, make more noise?
[14:25] <Tonberry> usually
[14:25] <TaraKilos> It's not, at the moment.
[14:25] <TaraKilos> And the readout on the screen isn't changing, so I'm nooot sure if this is even running. Hm.
[14:27] <Kilos> thstress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1
[14:27] <Kilos> eish
[14:27] <TaraKilos> o.0
[14:27] <Kilos> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1
[14:28] <TaraKilos> I don't have a command prompt to type that in
[14:28] <Kilos> the fly said leave out the timeout option
[14:28] <TaraKilos> I did.
[14:29] <Kilos> I just put 'stress --cpu 8
[14:29] <TaraKilos> Yes.... that's what I did.
[14:29] <Kilos> stress --cpu 8 --io 4 --vm 2 --hdd 1
[14:29] <TaraKilos> I only wanted to test the cpu
[14:29] <Kilos> all those bits and pieces in there have meaning
[14:29] <TaraKilos> Oi Fine.
[14:30] <TaraKilos> I'll restart it.
[14:30] <TaraKilos> Five horses.
[14:30] <Kilos> as in the cpu dont work unless its gotta move stuff from hdd and ram etc
[14:31] <TaraKilos> Is that what all that means?
[14:31] <TaraKilos> --hdd makes the hard drive accessible to --cpu?
[14:32] <Tonberry> not necessarily
[14:32] <Tonberry> some cpu load can be on the cpu cache only
[14:32] <TaraKilos> I didn't think that it did. I thought it meant that putting in --hdd would test the hard drive at the same time
[14:32] <TaraKilos> I just wanted to test the cpu on its own
[14:32] <Tonberry> that should actually produce more cpu stress than a load that constantly needs things from ram
[14:33] <TaraKilos> I'll input that whole line then
[14:33] <Kilos> ton explain what that whole command means with all the - - etc
[14:33] <Kilos> as in --hdd
[14:34] <TaraKilos> Okay, disk is actually making that loading sound now
[14:34] <TaraKilos> It wasn't before.
[14:34] <TaraKilos> Naive me.
[14:34] <TaraKilos> The stresslinux CD, I mean
[14:34] <Kilos> and --io
[14:35] <Kilos> when the fly gives you a command dont change it. he knows what each piece does
[14:35] <TaraKilos> k
[14:37] <Kilos> Tonberry, explain what that whole command means with all the - - etc --io and stuff please
[14:37] <TaraKilos> He doesn't have to.
[14:37] <Kilos> i wont remeber but it might help TaraKilos understand
[14:37] <Tonberry> i can only speculate
[14:37] <TaraKilos> This may end up taking a while. On one forum, a guy suggested using MPrime (to someone else, not me) and letting it run for at least 12 hours, but 24 is better.
[14:37] <Tonberry> i have never seen that command before
[14:37] <TaraKilos> This isn't MPrime, but t's still a Comp stresser, so it may need roughly the same
[14:38] <Tonberry> mprime is good
[14:38] <TaraKilos> it's*
[14:39] <TaraKilos> If it's gonna put the same/more amount of stress on the Comp that watching Youtube (which freezes my comp) does, then it should finish soonish, hey?
[14:41] <Kilos> ?
[14:41] <Kilos> youtube puts stress on everything
[14:41] <Kilos> ram included
[14:41] <TaraKilos> So what...?
[14:41] <Kilos> so we not testing everything at once methinks
[14:41] <TaraKilos> Okay then.
[14:41] <TaraKilos> The disc stopped making its loud loading noise.
[14:42] <Kilos> no readout
[14:42] <TaraKilos> Nope
[14:42] <Kilos> passed failed etc
[14:42] <Kilos> eish
[14:42] <TaraKilos> Wait. It made a loady noise.
[14:42] <TaraKilos> Oi.
[14:42] <TaraKilos> I wish it would let me know what it's doing.
[14:42] <Kilos> lol
[14:43] <Kilos> yeah it sucks to go blind
[14:43] <Kilos> maybe it will still
[14:43] <TaraKilos> This may take ages.
[14:43] <TaraKilos> Eish
[14:43] <Kilos> maybe it only gives readout on probs not successes
[14:43] <TaraKilos> that's what I was just gonna say.
[14:43] <TaraKilos> Which means... it could go forever!
[14:44] <Kilos> did they not have a manual or userguide on that site too
[14:44] <Kilos> yip no timeout now
[14:44] <TaraKilos> One sec
[14:45] <TaraKilos> I think maybe that was the test. And then it went quiet. Now it's running again.
[14:45] <Kilos> nope its most likely loading more info off cd
[14:46] <Kilos> started on its own hey?
[14:46] <TaraKilos> Yeah
[14:46] <TaraKilos> I haven't touched anything since we started
[14:46] <Kilos> without readout you dunno if it restarting same test or adding more load
[14:46] <TaraKilos> Yeah
[14:47] <TaraKilos> It's following the same pattern though
[14:47] <TaraKilos> The way the CD sounds
[14:47] <TaraKilos> It goes up to full sound, then to a lower one, then settles, and then goes to a middle one, and then up to full loading sound again
[14:47] <Kilos> is the a stop button
[14:48] <Kilos> there
[14:49] <TaraKilos> There's nothing
[14:49] <Kilos> ai
[14:49] <TaraKilos> Just what I typed in "the whole stress --cpu 8 etc" and then a blinking cursor thing
[14:49] <Kilos> whew no pretty gui 
[14:50] <TaraKilos> I can't find anything about how long it takes or how it shows you if it's successful/fail
[14:51] <TaraKilos> I'ma just join the StressLinux forum and ask
[14:51] <Kilos> ok
[14:59] <TaraKilos> Okay, posted. Now I wait.
[15:00] <TaraKilos> Gonna give laptop back to mom whilst my PC does its thing
[15:00] <TaraKilos> Thanks everyone for the help. Here's hoping we'll find out the issue.
[15:02] <superfly> TaraKilos: you've been very patient, i'm impressed
[15:02] <TaraKilos> Superfly: Thanks. I've got no choice but to percevere.
[15:03] <TaraKilos> superfly: The option of freaking out isn't one. :P
[15:03] <superfly> hehehe
[15:07] <superfly> TaraKilos: I'll have a look at StressLinux later this evening, and see if I can figure out what the different options mean, and give you a better recommendation for usage.
[15:08] <TaraKilos> The CD has been quiet for several minutes now. Still no readout. HMMM.
[15:08] <TaraKilos> Alright, thanks Supahflahhh.
[15:09]  * TaraKilos waves.
[15:09]  * superfly needs to set up a notification for "supahflahhh" so that he knows when he is being discussed by the Kilos clan
[15:10] <Kilos> lol
[15:10] <Kilos> shes a nut
[15:11] <superfly> Kilos: she didn't fall far from the tree...
[15:11] <Kilos> oh no i am much more patient and not as arrogant
[15:11] <Kilos> anymore
[15:12] <superfly> hahahaha
[15:12] <Kilos> age works wonders
[15:12] <Kilos> ty for helping her superfly 
[15:12] <superfly> Np
[15:12] <Kilos> you know i get lost with those commands and what each bit means and does
[16:37] <Kilos> yay just chowned her /storage and /spare
[16:37] <Kilos> without -R
[16:38] <Kilos> ty superfly . been using -R for years everytime
[16:38] <Kilos> h i Cantide 
[16:39] <Kilos> hmm me stutters
[16:39] <Kilos> should be h h h h hi
[16:40] <Cantide> evening K K Kilos
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <Cantide> guess what!
[16:40] <Kilos> what you passed
[16:40] <Cantide> oh, results are only out on the 14th of December
[16:40] <Cantide> so i won't know that yet
[16:40] <Cantide> buuuuuuuut..
[16:41] <Cantide> CanStudy is no more
[16:41] <Kilos> ok what then
[16:41] <Cantide> I have locked him away in a cage
[16:41] <Kilos> yay
[16:41] <Kilos> big relief hey
[16:41] <Kilos> hi  mazal 
[16:42] <mazal> Naand oom Kilos
[17:18] <magtie> hi Kilos
[17:18] <Kilos> ok clever guys i need to know what to tell tara how to be able to see her grub menu please. she set
[17:18] <Kilos> hiya tannie magespawn 
[17:19] <Kilos> ai
[17:19] <Kilos> magtie, ook
[17:19] <Kilos> tara set it to log straight in without asking for passwrod first so doesnt see the grub menu
[17:20] <Kilos> all good magtie ?
[17:20] <Kilos> you beat me tonight
[17:20] <magtie> fine tks
[17:20] <Kilos> my doggie maak my kop plat
[17:21] <magtie> my worsie does not like ubuntu
[17:21] <Kilos> and im sure she gonna need the recovery mode sooner or later
[17:21] <magtie> kicks up a fuss for lack of attention
[17:22] <Kilos> my dogter lief ubuntu met unity en al
[17:22] <Kilos> not my doggie dogter
[17:22] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> i thought doggie in afrikaans is small daughter
[17:24] <Kilos> sorry
[17:24] <magtie> sorry i thought doggie  - dog
[17:24] <Kilos> lol
[17:24] <Kilos> ons trek deurmekaar
[17:26] <Kilos> oom inetpro is jy al tuis
[17:26] <Kilos> ?
[17:27] <Kilos> mazal, is your server working?
[17:29] <Kilos> i get so busy with tara and cooking and sheep that i forget who is doing what
[17:29] <Kilos> havent greeted Banlam bakuman for days
[17:40] <Kilos> im gonna try have an early night. sleep tight all of you
[17:40] <Kilos> will catch up inna morning
[18:42] <Cantide> what can i use to make an iso of a bootable CD?
[18:43] <Tonberry> dd ?
[18:44] <Cantide> dd?
[18:46] <Tonberry> http://www.wikihow.com/Create-an-ISO-File-in-Linux
[18:46] <Cantide> ty
[18:47] <Tonberry> just be careful with dd
[18:48] <Cantide> does it copy boot info?
[18:48] <Cantide> this CD is only useful as a boot CD; other than that the files on it are useless to me
[18:48] <Cantide> it's Hiren's Boot CD, if you're wondering
[18:49] <nuvolari> g'evening
[18:49] <nuvolari> sheesh it's hot
[18:51] <Cantide> hi nuvolari :)
[18:51] <Cantide> hot?
[18:51] <Cantide> seems cool here in Durban
[18:51] <nuvolari> humid and hot here in ballito :-/
[18:51] <Cantide> :-S
[18:51] <Cantide> and you're not even far away...
[18:54] <magespawn> evening
[18:54] <Cantide> magespawn '-'/
[18:54] <magespawn> o/
[18:55] <Cantide> thanks, Tonberry - I now have an ISO
[18:55] <Cantide> i'll figure out how to write that back to CD another day / week / month :p
[19:04] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <magespawn> evening inetpro 
[19:04] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[19:05] <inetpro> how goes it this evening?
[19:08] <magespawn> bit tired just got home otherwise peachy
[19:08] <nuvolari> meh. when I read something like this I just feel like quitting my job prematurely: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428610/in-the-olympics-of-algorithms-a-russian-keeps-winning-gold/
[19:11] <smile4ever> hi :D
[19:11] <nuvolari> howdy smile4ever 
[19:11] <smile4ever> nuvolari: :)
[19:12] <smile4ever> does someone know batch aliases? :)
[19:15] <superfly> smile4ever: you mean bash aliases?
[19:16] <inetpro> lol
[19:16] <smile4ever> yea :p
[19:16] <smile4ever> sorry :p
[19:16] <superfly> smile4ever: what about them? they're not very complicated
[19:17] <smile4ever> well yeah, I wonder if you can give them a parameter at runtime :)
[19:17] <inetpro> smile4ever: alias ll='ls -alF'
[19:17] <smile4ever> list files? :|
[19:17] <inetpro> hmm... smile4ever, I don't think so
[19:18] <smile4ever> alias update="sudo apt-get update" :)
[19:18] <smile4ever> inetpro: ok :(
[19:18] <inetpro> smile4ever: depending what you mean with runtime
[19:18] <smile4ever> I would like to have "install"
[19:18] <smile4ever> with "sudo apt-get install [parameter]"
[19:19] <inetpro> alias install="sudo apt-get install"
[19:19] <inetpro> then just "install mypackage"
[19:20] <inetpro> but I wouldn't call an alias install
[19:20] <inetpro> or even update
[19:20] <magespawn> how are bash aliases stored?
[19:20] <inetpro> those terms are way to generic
[19:20] <inetpro> magespawn: in your profile folder as ~/.bash_aliases or something like that
[19:21] <inetpro> or .bashrc
[19:21] <smile4ever> inetpro: okay :D
[19:21] <smile4ever> thanks :)
[19:21] <inetpro> depending obvioulsy on whether you're using the bash shell
[19:21] <inetpro> obviously*
[19:22] <smile4ever> I'm using it ;)
[19:22]  * smile4ever is sure
[19:22] <inetpro> man bash
[19:22] <inetpro> it's all in there
[19:23] <magespawn> and aliases are usee to make certain jobs shorter?
[19:23] <inetpro> magespawn: yes, but
[19:23] <inetpro> be careful
[19:24] <inetpro> try not to rely on to many aliases
[19:24] <inetpro> you tend to forget the real commands very quickly if you do
[19:24] <inetpro> but they can be very useful
[19:25] <smile4ever> :)
[19:25]  * inetpro likes putting a few standard aliases in /etc/bash.bashrc
[19:25] <smile4ever> inetpro: for example? :p
[19:26] <inetpro> hmm.. hang on... I realise I have not even set those on me home system... yet
[19:28] <inetpro> smile4ever: alias h='history 25'
[19:29] <inetpro> alias mxlookup='nslookup -type=mx'
[19:29] <smile4ever> useful commands :p
[19:30] <inetpro> and a few exim shortcuts
[19:30] <inetpro> like
[19:30] <inetpro> alias psexim='sudo ps -x -U mailnull'
[19:30] <magespawn> is there any limit to the length or compelxity of aliases?
[19:31] <inetpro> magespawn: just keep them short or write a script when it gets complicated
[19:32] <inetpro> KilosKid: wb tara
[19:32] <KilosKid> inetpro: Thanks. :)
[19:32] <inetpro> or should I rather say good morning
[19:33] <smile4ever> good night! :D
[19:33] <inetpro> magespawn: but I have seen very long and complex aliases
[19:34] <inetpro> magespawn: oh and linux shells are just magic when you really get to know them
[19:35] <inetpro> worth spending some time learning a few basics... and then get a bit deeper as well
[19:35] <KilosKid> Okay, I have a question.
[19:35] <inetpro> KilosKid: shoot
[19:35] <KilosKid> How do I install my lexmark printer onto Linux?
[19:35] <inetpro> don't ask to ask just ask
[19:35] <magespawn> been working on that a bit, have the n900 so have it there, so can learn it on the go
[19:36] <KilosKid> I booted up my PC with the printer plugged in and installed
[19:36] <KilosKid> Hiya, magespawn. :)
[19:36] <magespawn> hey KilosKid
[19:36] <inetpro> KilosKid: and it's not working?
[19:37]  * inetpro enjoys his HP printer that just plugs in and just prints at the click of a button
[19:37] <magespawn> hp and samsung are good for that
[19:38] <inetpro> a printer is one device that I will make absolutely sure that it works on Linux before I buy
[19:38] <KilosKid> Well
[19:38] <inetpro> make sure as well
[19:38] <KilosKid> I've had this printer for about three years
[19:38] <KilosKid> So I had it whilst I had XP
[19:38] <KilosKid> I just clicked 'print' to print a page from Firefox, but nothing happened
[19:38] <KilosKid> It didn't even tell me that a printer wasn't connected
[19:38] <inetpro> I honestly don't know lexmark, but I shall go google
[19:39] <inetpro> KilosKid: what model?
[19:39] <KilosKid> It is aaaaa....
[19:39] <KilosKid> All In One X8350
[19:39] <magespawn> have tried to install from printers?
[19:40] <superfly> KilosKid: you said its plugged in via USB?
[19:40] <KilosKid> Yeah
[19:40] <KilosKid> Hi Supahflahhh. :)
[19:41] <KilosKid> Figures my printer isn't on the 'tested' or 'needs retesting' list. How annoying.
[19:41]  * inetpro hates reading stuff like this: "I contacted Lexmark about the incompatibility with Linux and they have no interest in cooperating at all...."
[19:41] <magespawn> idiots
[19:42] <KilosKid> O.o
[19:42] <magespawn> just give the community the code and we will get it done ourselves
[19:42] <KilosKid> lol
[19:43] <superfly> KilosKid: it doesn't have any networking capabilities, does it?
[19:43] <nuvolari> joh, 'commercial' printers are just as bad
[19:43] <magespawn> never really liked them any way, ink is too expensive
[19:43] <KilosKid> superfly: What do you mean?
[19:43] <nuvolari> we have an Olivetti at the office and to get the proper drivers for ubuntu was a nightmare
[19:43] <KilosKid> Hiya nuvolari :)
[19:43] <magespawn> hey nuvolari 
[19:43] <superfly> KilosKid: my printer actually has a network port, and so it is plugged into my network rather than my PC
[19:43] <nuvolari> hellos KilosKid 
[19:43] <KilosKid> Oh.
[19:44] <KilosKid> Let me see.
[19:44]  * nuvolari poses for some photographs with KilosKid and have them autographed
[19:44] <KilosKid> Well, it's got a fax in it, so...?
[19:44] <KilosKid> lol nuvolari :P
[19:44] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn 
[19:44] <superfly> KilosKid: some printers are easier to work with when they're on the network
[19:44] <nuvolari> how are you doing?
[19:44] <superfly> KilosKid: fax != network
[19:44] <KilosKid> Yay!
[19:44] <magespawn> lol
[19:45] <magespawn> good and you?
[19:45]  * inetpro agrees with superfly, a networked printer makes life so much easier
[19:45] <KilosKid> But how can I put it on the network when I only have one interwebz cable?
[19:45] <inetpro> KilosKid: get a switch
[19:45] <KilosKid> What's a switch?
[19:45] <superfly> KilosKid: both your computer and your mom's plug into the same router, right?
[19:45] <nuvolari> magespawn: doing good... 2 days too many this week... but doing good :P
[19:45] <KilosKid> Yeah...
[19:46] <KilosKid> But mom's cable is aaaaall the way in her room, and the wire is pinned along the sides of the walls.
[19:46] <superfly> KilosKid: can you plug the printer into the router too?
[19:46] <KilosKid> Quite securely.
[19:46] <KilosKid> No
[19:46] <KilosKid> Because the router is in the kitchen 
[19:46] <KilosKid> And I don't want my idiot housemate touching my stuff.
[19:46] <magespawn> lol
[19:46] <inetpro> lol
[19:47] <nuvolari> KilosKid: don't talk bad about people on the web, it might reach them in a million ways :P
[19:47] <KilosKid> Trust me, he wouldn't care.
[19:47] <magespawn> i think he means does it have a network port?
[19:47] <KilosKid> He doesn't care about anything but eating.
[19:47] <KilosKid> Yessss
[19:47] <KilosKid> It has two interwebz cable ports
[19:48] <inetpro> interesting that there are only two
[19:48] <magespawn> sure those are not phone cable ports?
[19:48] <magespawn> for the fax
[19:48] <nuvolari> a closeup pic could help? :P
[19:49] <magespawn> we are still talking about the printer
[19:49] <nuvolari> me too
[19:49] <nuvolari> sheesh, what are you thinking magespawn 
[19:49] <nuvolari> *cough*
[19:49] <inetpro> KilosKid: when you have time you can read about a switch on wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch but for the moment don't just go out to buy one... it may not help you much for now
[19:50] <nuvolari> anyone here running analytics? 
[19:50] <nuvolari> *google analytics
[19:51] <inetpro> nuvolari: I like blocking it with noscript
[19:51] <nuvolari> inetpro: oh, but I meant on the other side of the analytics :P being able to see the stats
[19:51] <inetpro> lol
[19:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: they look very impressive for managers
[19:52] <nuvolari> it keeps on 'killing' the browsers 
[19:52] <nuvolari> both firefox and chrome
[19:53] <KilosKid> o.o
[19:54] <KilosKid> I dunno. They look the same. Could be phone, could be internet.
[19:54] <KilosKid> brb
[19:56] <inetpro> by the way KilosKid, I suggest the unregistered nick tarals for you, rather than KilosKid
[19:57] <inetpro> or go choose something else
[19:57] <inetpro> and then go register the address and set your irc client with that nick
[19:58] <inetpro> oops, register the nick*
[20:03] <magespawn> nuvolari: just making sure KilosKid and I are on the same page
[20:04] <magespawn> the lexmark spec sheet says the network ports are optional on that model
[20:08] <KilosKid> back
[20:08] <inetpro> KilosKid: sign the petition
[20:08] <inetpro> http://www.petitiononline.com/YALB1975/petition.html
[20:08] <KilosKid> What petition?
[20:09] <KilosKid> Oyes.
[20:09] <inetpro> To: All Printer Manufacturers not supporting the Linux Operating System
[20:13] <nuvolari> meh. bed is calling
[20:13] <nuvolari> 'night
[20:14] <KilosKid> Night, nuvolari.
[20:15] <magespawn> night nuvolari 
[20:18] <KilosKid> I guess I may have to buy a new printer/scanner if I want to keep using Ubuntu, huh?
[20:20] <KilosKid> So I read about the "Spectrum Tools", but I'm still a little confused as to what it does.
[20:27] <magespawn> never heard of them
[20:29] <TaraKilos> Okay, well...
[20:29] <magespawn> TaraKilos: do you have a nick you prefer?
[20:29] <TaraKilos> Printer issue is just gonna have to wait
[20:29] <TaraKilos> I don't care what my nick is. People just keep telling me to change it :P
[20:31] <magespawn> not sure why inetpro said that, but it is a good idea to register the one you like, then only you can use it
[20:33] <inetpro> TaraKilos: it just makes life easier if your name is not so similar to that of kilos
[20:33] <TaraKilos> Okay. One moment.
[20:36] <zeref> hmmmmmmmmmmm
[20:36] <inetpro> TaraLS: great!
[20:36] <inetpro> when I respond to you I just type ta and press tab and it will complete the nick for me for TaraLS 
[20:36] <inetpro> if your nick is KilosKid the the completion can get confusing very quickly
[20:36] <TaraLS> Yep, I got it.
[20:36] <TaraLS> But.
[20:36] <TaraLS> There's a NickServ thingy..
[20:37] <TaraLS> msg NickServ set email <your_email@address.org>
[20:37] <TaraLS> With a slash
[20:37] <TaraLS> Hooow do I use that? O.o
[20:37] <inetpro> you don't
[20:37] <TaraLS> That's how it says to register your name, though.
[20:37] <inetpro> it's for when the freenode guys have to contact you
[20:37] <inetpro> well, hang on
[20:37] <TaraLS> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XChatHowto
[20:37] <TaraLS> Hm
[20:38] <inetpro> TaraLS: read this: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering
[20:41] <TaraLS> So I use : /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com
[20:41] <TaraLS> ?
[20:41] <inetpro> yep
[20:42] <inetpro> well, Replace password with a secure, unguessable password that you keep secret.
[20:42]  * inetpro stating the obvious
[20:42] <magespawn> no password is unguessable
[20:43] <magespawn> or rather un workable outable
[20:43] <inetpro> magespawn: uh
[20:43] <TaraLS> There we are.
[20:43] <TaraLS> I registered TaraLS
[20:43] <inetpro> cool, nice job
[20:43] <magespawn> hows that for mangling the english language
[20:43] <TaraLS> rofl
[20:43] <inetpro> now next time we can actually focus on the real problems :-)
[20:44] <TaraLS> Okay, so, seems like the printer issue is probably not fixable...
[20:44] <TaraLS> So next potentially fixable problem!
[20:44] <TaraLS> My speakers.
[20:44] <TaraLS> Only two play sound. When I had XP, all of them played sound.
[20:44] <TaraLS> I did have to download a soundblaster thingy thouh.
[20:44] <TaraLS> though*
[20:44] <magespawn> guessing implies randomness, workable outable means actually running through every combination
[20:44] <TaraLS> I selected in sound management to play through 5.1 channels
[20:44] <inetpro> superfly: you where saying about the speakers?
[20:44] <TaraLS> But it didn't make a difference
[20:45] <superfly> *were
[20:45] <superfly> just checking that they were plugged into the right sockets
[20:45] <inetpro> oops, right
[20:45] <TaraLS> Yeah. Mine definitely are. I'm not -that- computer-dense. :P
[20:45] <superfly> I don't really know much about setting up 5.1 sound unfortunately, I suffer with my monitor speakers
[20:45] <TaraLS> lol
[20:45] <magespawn> is it an add on sound card TaraLS?
[20:46] <TaraLS> Ummm
[20:46] <TaraLS> It doesn't look like it.
[20:46] <magespawn> then maybe check the mb manufacturers site
[20:47] <inetpro> TaraLS: what software are you using to play your music? Just for interest sake...
[20:47] <TaraLS> I'm using the default Rhythmbox. I used VLC once, though, and the sound didn't really change.
[20:47] <TaraLS> Lemme double check
[20:49] <inetpro> maybe we should ask jono in the #ubuntu-community-team about this when he is available that is
[20:49] <inetpro> I know he is a music guru of sorts
[20:49] <inetpro> and he will definitely know other experts in the field 
[20:50] <TaraLS> Yeah, it plays through only two channels when in Rhythmbox and VLC
[20:50] <TaraLS> Ooh
[20:51] <inetpro> I have seen some very nifty music software on linux
[20:51] <inetpro> and if I remember correctly even superfly has suggested some fancy stuffs
[20:52] <superfly> Ardour is very fancy... rivals most of the commercial solutions
[20:53] <TaraLS> Ardour doesn't have confidence-building reviews, though
[20:54] <TaraLS> Besides, I'm not talking about recording software anyhoo. Just want to get all my speakers working.
[20:54] <inetpro> lol
[20:55] <inetpro> well I sure hope that we'll be able to get you there
[20:56] <magespawn> i am off to bed, night all
[20:58] <inetpro> TaraLS: btw, you should not believe all the reviews that you read, many of them are written by peeps with hidden agendas... best to try things for yourself
[20:58] <inetpro> magespawn: good night
[20:58] <TaraLS> I'm just paranoid about getting things that might mess up the computer.
[20:58] <TaraLS> I've had months and months of PC problems.
[20:58] <TaraLS> magespawn: Night. :)
[20:59] <inetpro> well you have done well to get here
[21:00] <inetpro> we don't charge you an arm and a leg in here
[21:00] <inetpro> all we need is patience
[21:01] <inetpro> bye vin[tab]
[21:02] <TaraLS> Well I've got plenty of patience. lol
[21:02] <inetpro> lol
[21:02] <TaraLS> My tablet's probably not gonna work either, huh? :(
[21:02] <inetpro> TaraLS: I'll talk to jono when I see him
[21:03] <TaraLS> inetpro, thanks much.
[21:04] <inetpro> or you could try contact him yourself
[21:04] <inetpro> his blog is at http://www.jonobacon.org/
[21:05] <inetpro> a real nice approachable guy
[21:05] <inetpro> though I have not met him in person
[21:05] <superfly> TaraLS: this is Ubuntu/Linux, unless you wildly install software not available in Software Centre, you won't mess up your computer
[21:06] <inetpro> not easily at least
[21:08] <TaraLS> Okay.
[21:08] <TaraLS> Well a program like that would make my comp freeze anyway. :P
[21:08] <TaraLS> I have to sort out this freezing issue first.
[21:09] <inetpro> TaraLS: I agree
[21:09] <inetpro> seems like a real buggy hardware issue anyway
[21:10] <TaraLS> Yeah
[21:10] <TaraLS> I did the stresslinux test
[21:11] <TaraLS> It didn't show me anything by way of fail or success
[21:11] <TaraLS> And the CDROM was quiet for about an hour
[21:11] <TaraLS> With nothing happening, so I just stopped it.
[21:12] <inetpro> hmm
[21:23] <inetpro> yikes! where did the time go?
[21:23] <inetpro> TaraLS: please hold the fort for us
[21:24] <TaraLS> Okeydoke. O.o
[21:24] <inetpro> good night
[21:26] <TaraLS> Is MAC the same as Linux?
[21:26] <TaraLS> Or is MAC its own OS?
[21:34] <zeref> hurrrmmmm
[21:35] <zeref> Mac is "based" on BSD
[21:35] <TaraLS> What's BSD?
[21:35] <zeref> but Apple have made so many changes to the kernel
[21:35] <TaraLS> Reason I ask is because GIMP is in Ubuntu, and I wanted to get GIMPshop, the one that is GIMP but looks like Photoshop.
[21:35] <zeref> that you could say its not BSD
[21:35] <TaraLS> But it only has "Windows" or "Mac" download.
[21:36] <zeref> www.bsd.org
[21:36] <zeref> heeehhhh
[21:37] <zeref> sudo apt-get install gimp?
[21:39] <zeref> TaraLS: Gimp will be all you need
[21:40] <zeref> unless you use it profenssionally
[21:40] <zeref> is that how you spell it?
[21:47] <TaraLS> I just wanted GIMPShop because it has the Photoshop interface
[21:47] <TaraLS> Which I prefer.
[21:47] <TaraLS> professionally?
[21:47] <TaraLS> I think
[21:51] <superfly> TaraLS: Well, GIMP these days looks and acts more like PS, and I think that GIMPShop is not really maintained much... certainly not on Linux. On top of that, I think you can install PhotoShop keybindings into GIMP
[21:51] <TaraLS> What's a keybinding?
[21:55] <superfly> TaraLS: the shortcuts keys are configurable
[21:56] <superfly> so a set of shortcuts is sometimes called a keybinding
[21:57] <TaraLS> Oh. I don't even use shortcut keys.
[22:27] <TaraLS> Hey guys
[22:27] <TaraLS> Can I just use my CDROM to install my Genius tablet?
[22:35] <zeref> o0o0o0
[22:35] <zeref> what do you mean?
[22:53] <TaraLS> What do you mean what do I mean?
[22:53] <TaraLS> I have a tablet and it came with an installation CD.
[22:53] <TaraLS> Can I use that CD on Ubuntu to install the tablet driver?
[22:57] <superfly> No, that only has the Windows driver. Check in your system settings to see if you can configure your tablet in the same place you configure your mouse.
[22:57] <superfly> I don't use Ubuntu (I use its cousin Kubuntu) so I can't tell you exactly where to find the configuration window, just that there should be one somewhere.
[22:58]  * superfly goes to bed
[23:00] <TaraLS> Okeydokey
[23:01] <TaraLS> superfly: Niiight, Supahflahhh.
[23:06] <TaraLS> I found a way to install a printer
[23:06] <TaraLS> And I selected Lexmark
[23:06] <TaraLS> But it doesn't have my model there.
[23:06] <TaraLS> Go figure.
[23:06] <TaraLS> HEAPS of others, but not mine.
[23:06]  * TaraLS pulls hair out.
[23:16] <KilosKid> Comp froze.
[23:16] <KilosKid> And bah. It says, "TaraLS already in use."