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shPikachuhi ppl04:01
shPikachui want to install ubuntu 12.10 to a SD card for using it in my pandaboard04:02
shPikachuhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OmapDesktopInstall04:02
shPikachucan i install it to a SD instead of a flash drive?04:02
shPikachui mean, usb drive04:02
TheMusoshPikachu: So you want to install to a USB flash drive correct?04:06
shPikachuno, to the same SD card where the image is04:06
shPikachuits possible?04:07
infinityIt's not supported, though it's technically possible.04:07
TheMusoIts much better to run from a USB connected rotery disk.04:08
infinityIndeed.04:08
infinityMuch, much better.04:08
TheMusoAnd IMO a notebook drive is sufficient, since USB disk transfer still requires some CPU, so you're going to max out and get the best possible transfers, but my understanding could be incorrect WRT USB and CPU usage.04:10
shPikachui cant to that in this project since its an embedded system04:11
shPikachu:(04:11
shPikachui looked for a preinstalled 12.1004:12
shPikachubut i didnt find it04:12
TheMusoThere isn't one.04:13
shPikachuow04:13
TheMusoThere is for 12.04 though IIRC.04:13
shPikachui tested that one but it doesnt have some graphics driver04:13
shPikachuand i wasnt able to install it , though, because of "broken dependencies"04:14
shPikachuthe package is : PowerVR SGX54004:15
shPikachuif anybody knows how to make the driver work in 12.04 ill be thankful04:15
TheMusoI think 12.10 has the prv-omap4 package, which is what you want. You don't need to use any panda/TI PPAs, again IIRC>04:16
shPikachuwhats IIRC i dont know04:17
shPikachu:)04:17
lilstevieif I recall correctly04:17
shPikachuTheMuso : how would you install 12.10 for arm into a SD card?04:18
TheMusoshPikachu: I wouldn't.04:21
shPikachu:(04:22
shPikachuheh04:22
shPikachuok thanks for your help04:22
TheMusoshPikachu: You could run a netboot image.04:22
TheMusoshPikachu: That would use a text-mode debian-installer to boot and install voer the network, and would thenwhipe and install your system to the Sd card that way.04:22
shPikachuill check for that then04:24
shPikachuthank you04:24
shPikachu:)04:24
TheMusonp04:25
TheMusoNo problem.04:25
dholbachgood morning07:42
[mbm]not yet.07:42
evilmoohello08:33
evilmoowhat would it take to rebuild ubuntu to support ARMv5?08:33
xranbyevilmoo: the quickest way is to install debian08:34
suihkulokkievilmoo: you could just install debian and save the effort08:34
* suihkulokki notices some echoes in the chamber08:34
infinityevilmoo: Also, you might want to try Debian.08:34
evilmooif I didn't want to go the debian route, how would I do it?08:35
xranbyevilmoo:it takes 20+ armv5 machines running 24h/7 for at least 2 months to get anywhere near a rebuild of ubuntu08:35
infinityevilmoo: If you really, really, really wanted to fork Ubuntu for armv5, I can let you in on a little secret, that all of main for quantal/armel was rebuilt for v5t.08:35
infinityevilmoo: So, that would be a good starting point.08:35
evilmooinfinity: that's a good secret to know. thank you08:36
xranbyinfinity: really! thats great news :)08:36
infinityevilmoo: That said, we're dropping armel entirely in raring as we speak, so going forward, we'll only support armhf.08:36
xranbyinfinity: i thought armel was about to get dropped08:36
infinityxranby: It was.  Note that I said "in quantal". :P08:36
infinityquantal/armel/main is pure v5t.08:36
infinityWhich one could use to bootstrap something else, I suppose.08:36
infinityBut yeah, going forward, we're only doing armhf (which is v7-only) and, of course, arm64.08:37
lilstevieI'm looking forward to arm6408:37
infinityMe too.08:37
infinityI'm looking forward to wiping the slate clean.08:37
lilsteviehopefully the inconsistencies will clean slate08:37
lilstevieheh08:37
lilsteviesame reason08:37
lilstevieer08:38
lilstevies/will clean/will disappear with a clean/08:38
infinityAnd, with any luck, Arnd ruling with an iron fist and refusing to let people splinter platform support.08:38
evilmoojust as long as we don't get all new shiny inconsistencies08:38
lilstevieinfinity, yeah, I saw that document recently, certainly will be a welcomed change08:39
lilstevieinfinity, my biggest concern is the next step with device trees08:39
infinitylilstevie: There's a lot of pressure from various directions for $hardware_detection_method_of_the_day to work fairly well on armv8 server platforms, at least.  It's when someone decides we need 64-bit tablets and phones and starts diverging into sketchy places again that I'll worry.08:41
infinitylilstevie: And, to be fair, that's always been an issue in x86-land too, except for the part where 99.9% of the x86 kit we care about it desktops/laptops/servers, and most people compltely ignore x86 embedded that lacks standard BIOS/ACPI/etc.08:42
infinitys/about it/about is/08:42
lilstevieinfinity, yeah, it is more with UEFI pushing ACPI and everyone else pushing FDT08:43
lilstevieinfinity, this is true, I myself am guilty of forgetting about x86 embedded08:43
infinitylilstevie: ACPI and FDT can coexist quite happily, even in the kernel.08:43
lilstevieinfinity, that is good to know08:43
infinityBut yeah.  Never will there be a perfect compile-once-detect-everywhere solution, so long as people like to do crazy things.08:46
infinityThe hope is that, like in the x86 world, the 99% follow some sane standards, and the 1% that don't are happy not being able to run general-purpose OSes.08:47
infinity(There's plenty of embedded x86 kit that runs Linux, but you'd never be able to boot a generic distro kernel on it)08:47
lilstevieI've never really even heard of them08:47
infinityYou're a lucky man. ;)08:48
lilsteviethe only embedded x86 that comes to mind is medfield cellphones08:48
infinityBut hey, they still sell i386s in volume.08:48
infinityAnd they're VERY low power now. :P08:48
lilstevieheh08:48
infinityAnd by i386, I mean 80386, not the arch.08:48
lilstevieI figured08:48
infinityI should probably sleep some day.08:53
lilstevienah08:54
lilsteviesleep is for the weak :p08:54
suihkulokkiI don't remember i386 being currently sold, but Vortex86 which is i486 compatible is still being sold at least08:55
lilstevieMy biggest hope though is for arm64 is better performance, kernel compiles are down to about 20min on my tegra3, would love  to see just a bit faster08:55
hrwsuihkulokki: vortex... please...09:58
hrwsuihkulokki: I have vortex86sx somewhere... and you had to remind me that ;(09:58
lilstevielol09:59
hrwlinux needs fpu emulator compiled in to boot09:59
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suihkulokkihrw: yes I have to remind people about that when someone complains arm is bad ;)11:00
hrwvortex86sx is not even debian compatible (req own kernel)11:01
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wookeysome shoniy arm64 status: http://people.linaro.org/~wookey/buildd/quantal-arm64/sbuild-ma/status-bootstrap.html12:01
wookeythere is some stuff that 'worked for me' so I need to check what's up, but it's a reasonable summary of current status12:03
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achiangogra-cb: janimo: mfisch: cwayne: ssweeny: will you be able to attend the nexus7 meeting in 12 minutes?15:48
ssweenyachiang, yes15:49
janimoachiang, I am there15:49
cwayneachiang: its irc right?15:49
achiangyep, #ubuntu-meeting15:49
janimocwayne, #ubuntu-meeting15:49
cwaynethanks, im in15:49
ogra_indeed15:49
achiangcool, be prepared to give a 1-line summary of what you are working on when i call on you. :)15:49
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brendandachiang, what's the line on bug reports which have nothing to do with the nexus 7 but are filed in that project?16:02
cwaynebrendand: we link them to an upstream16:11
cwayneif its seen on nexus7, then it has something to do with nexus 716:12
brendandcwayne, !16:12
cwaynebrendand: ?16:12
brendandcwayne, so for example: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/42166016:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 421660 in ubuntu-nexus7 "gksu's and gksudo's modal password prompt prevents OnBoard's virtual keyboard input, causing accessibility issues" [High,Confirmed]16:14
brendandand https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-nexus7/+bug/107774316:14
ubot2Launchpad bug 1077743 in ubuntu-nexus7 "gnome-screenshot isn't run via hotkey when menus open" [Low,Confirmed]16:14
cwaynebrendand: think of this as sort of a '100 papercuts' type of project.  these bugs affect the image on nexus7, and were logged there, so they stay at least linked to the n716:15
brendandcwayne, that's only going to be sustainable if there doesn't get to be a lot of these16:17
cwaynebrendand: with them affecting n7, it gives us more leverage to go to the upstreams and say 'hey, why hasn't this bug been looked at it 2 years?'16:18
brendandcwayne, why wouldn't you do the same thing in the absence of the nexus7?16:18
brendandthey affect *everything*16:18
cwaynebecause im not trolling around upstream bugs finding ones that havent been touched in 2 years16:19
dholbachmaybe autologin/multi-user should be added to the FAQ16:19
cwaynedholbach: +1, ill take an action to add it16:20
dholbachsweet :)16:20
dholbachthanks16:20
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dholbachyou guys are awesome!16:51
Snarkmy toshiba AC100 is showing signs of weakness (hinges...), so I'm looking around for replacement -- on which devices is it easy to use ubuntu?16:57
ogra-cbchromebook :)16:58
Snark(I'm thinking about things like the samsung nexus 10, asus transformers...)16:58
ogra-cbthough its only partitally there yet16:58
ogra-cband indeed the nexus716:58
Snark16Go is a little short, but if there's an SD port, it's good17:01
tassadar__there is 32gb version of nexus 7 now17:01
dholbachachiang, the pinning bits are on the wiki now - I'll just double check if they should also live somewhere else17:02
mfischthanks dholbach17:03
mfischachiang: can we get someone working on the rotation issues?17:03
Snarktassadar__, 7inch is a bit too small... I'll be mostly reading on that device17:03
achiangupdate on stuck button bug - http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2012-November/034449.html17:04
achiangdholbach: awesome!17:04
dholbachalright my friends - time to call it a day and clean up this place - I'll have guests over in a bit17:05
dholbachhave a great weekend :)17:05
achiangmfisch: alright, let's work on that this in a bit.17:05
mfischdholbach: I hope your spinning some beats for them17:05
dholbachmfisch, cooking :)17:05
dholbachso, got go go :)17:06
dholbachsee you17:06
mfischbye17:06
ogra-cbciao dholbach17:06
dholbachbye :)17:06
* ogra-cb will be in berlin tomorrow, but as usual likely not manage to visit you 17:07
ogra-cbbah, to slow :P17:07
* mfisch introduced a friend to Berliner Weisse last weekend, he was amazed17:08
ogra-cbhehe, yeah, its lovely17:08
ogra-cbthough rather something for hot summer evenings17:08
mfischwikipedia says uncommon these days in berlin?17:08
ogra-cbdunno, i rarely drink in berlin :) dholback or doko would know17:09
ogra-cbi still like it at times, but i'm no "berliner"17:09
mfischsince the US has no "style" of beer that's been brewed for 1000 years and no Reinheitsgebot we can drink almost anything17:10
achiangich bin ein berliner17:13
Snarkachiang, s/berliner/Berliner/ if I don't err17:13
vanhoofmfisch: we do have Mickeys my man!17:14
mfischachiang had a 40 party once17:15
mfischthe challenge is the last 1/3 of the bottle, when it's all warm17:16
cwaynemfisch: not if you do it fast enough17:18
achiangrelevant: http://www.40cozy.com/17:19
vanhoofachiang: edward 40 hands?17:22
vanhoof;)17:23
sfeolecwayne: taking a look at this FAQ i'm going to start from the top and work my way down17:29
sfeolecwayne: transfer the items into AU17:29
sfeoletheres only a handful of questions on AU that are tagged with nexus7, none of them appear to be duplicates of whats on the FAQ. for the most part, I have not finished going through all the questions yet17:32
Snarkthe latest ARM-based chromebook looks like (1) it isn't out (2) it is only 16Go (3) it doesn't have an SD port17:32
cwaynesfeole: make sure you're answering them at the same time17:33
tassadar__Snark: yeah, use them clouds :)17:33
sfeolecwayne: ack17:33
tassadar__Snark: what about the price, is it known yet?17:33
Snarktassadar__, eh, no cloud for me!17:37
SnarkI want my documents right here in my hand17:37
Snarksince there are quite a few places where I go and don't have much in the way of connection17:37
tassadar__not for me either, besides, using cloud with 150mb FUP, which is pretty much standard in our country, is kinda unreal17:38
ssweenyachiang, i've confirmed that the onboard snapshot builds for us and startup with ambiance theme is ~6s17:42
ssweenyachiang, i'll upload momentarily17:43
cwaynessweeny: \o/ nice!17:43
* infinity read that as "it takes 6s to start onboard", and hopes he misinterpreted.17:44
ssweenyinfinity, before this it was 30s17:44
infinityKay.  That doesn't make 6s good. ;)17:44
ssweenythat's only first startup from cold boot17:45
ssweenysubsequent appearances are < 1s17:45
ssweenystill not perfect, but much improved17:45
ssweenyhopefully when they release it'll be even faster17:45
achianginfinity: it's slow  w/ a certain theme (Ambience). the theme we actually use by default (blackboard) starts in < 1s17:55
ogra_iirc it took more than 6sec for me with ambience17:57
ogra_and the bad thing is that it draws the window long before any content17:57
ogra_Snark, i ordered my chrtomebook from amazon.uk two weeks ago ... no issues with shipping to germany (you have to live with the strange UK kbd indeed)17:59
ogra_Snark, my chromebook has an SDHC reader, USB 2.0 and 3.0 ports17:59
ogra_and indeed dual core A-15 and 2G of ram17:59
ogra_so adding storage is really no prob18:01
ogra_and with usb 3.0 you can even have it at close to SATA speed18:01
ogra_infinity, we should kick out the pandas and just buy 10 chromebooks18:01
ogra_(and 10 USB 3.0 disks)18:01
ogra_they even come with builtin UPS !18:02
infinityogra_: Heh.  Please don't suggest it where anyone can take you seriously. :P18:05
ogra_heh18:05
Snarkogra_, well, I'd rather have an azerty keyboard18:09
ogra_crazy french18:10
ogra_:)18:10
Snarkwell, french does have quite a few more accents than german, so having them handy is quite a must18:10
Snarkhttps://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/sage-devel/bdWVm4Pt0vc18:11
Snark^^^ apparently it's possible to fry an asus transformer...18:11
SnarkI'm pretty annoyed by the concept of a computer getting dead because it has too much work... since I'm quite used to giving too much work to my computers18:12
mfischxnox: ping18:17
xnoxmfisch: hola =)18:19
mfischxnox: achiang says you've updated smem in raring?  did you include smemcap?18:19
xnoxmfisch: hmm?18:20
xnoxmfisch: smem? don't think so.... id di upload android-tools-fsutils with many utilities in it.18:20
mfischxnox: okay, nevermind then18:20
achiangxnox: i thought you packaged a new version of smem?18:22
achiangxnox: or was that hrw?18:22
achiangoopsie, janimo18:22
achiang:)18:22
xnoxmfisch: but to answer your question: package smem has: smem & smemcap18:22
xnoxno worries =)18:22
mfischgreat18:25
mfischthanks18:25
tassadar__ogra_: Is there some reason why there is "/dev/mmcblk0p9" hardcoded in nexus' tarball-installer, instead of using kernel "root" parameter?18:43
janimomfisch, yes smemcap is there18:44
janimothat was the main reason for the new upload18:44
achiangwoo hoo, who can test this today? https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/nux/nux.depth-texture-detection-support/+merge/13472919:01
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diwicif I have this in debian/rules "ifeq ($(DEB_HOST_ARCH), armel)" i should remove the entire section, because armel is dropped. Correct?20:08
infinitydiwic: If it's an Ubuntu-only package, sure.  If you ever intend to also have it in Debian, you might want to keep it.20:11
diwicinfinity, ack20:12
Snarkogra_, http://ograblog.wordpress.com/ <- you didn't blog since long... what about that recent chromebook and ubuntu?20:18
tassadar__yaaay, nabootovano z flashky, tak po hodine20:51
tassadar__and this is the wrong channel20:52
tassadar__sorry20:52
* Snark was trying to parse that ;-)20:58
infinitySnark: Something about booting from a flash drive.21:05
infinityMy Czech is weak.21:05
tassadar__I've just tried booting ubuntu on N7 from flash drive, if you really want to know :)21:06
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