[01:46] <jcastro_> bkerensa: misleading headline
[01:46] <jcastro_> that's just some wine thing!
[01:47] <bkerensa> jcastro_: on Ubuntu
[02:27] <mhall119> I'd be fine with it being wine, but it's still pretty hacked together it seems
[02:27] <mhall119> also, it's still silverlight
[02:27] <mhall119> so not a FLOSS solution
[02:29] <bkerensa> mhall119: the hacked together part is getting sorted it will all be patched upstream and a ppa made to make install painless
[02:29] <bkerensa> there likely will not be a FLOSS solution since Netflix has been adamant about not working on Linux
[02:30] <mhall119> it's not that they don't want to work on Linux, it's that they can't provide DRM on an open system
[02:30] <bkerensa> correct
[02:30] <bkerensa> much like Steam is not open sourcing its platform for a very similar reason
[02:31] <mhall119> I'm sure they'd happily support Netflix on Linux with Silverlight
[02:31] <bkerensa> lol
[02:31] <bkerensa> well the thing is they are moving away from silverlight
[02:31] <mhall119> right, IIRC Microsoft is killing it off
[02:31] <bkerensa> and last time I checked Microsoft was not willing to work with Mono folks in the past anyways
[02:32] <mhall119> they've been very willing to work with Mono
[02:32] <bkerensa> wat
[02:32] <mhall119> they just won't guarantee a DRM implementation on an open source codebase
[02:32] <bkerensa> hah
[02:32] <bkerensa> :D
[02:32] <mhall119> If memory serves, Microsoft did a lot of work with the Mono project to create Moonlight
[02:33] <mhall119> What they won't provide is the DRM bits (Playsforsure or something like that)
[02:33] <mhall119> so while the Netflix client will likely run on Moonlight just fine, without the DRM parts it won't be able to decode the videos
[02:34] <bkerensa> so solution is
[02:34] <bkerensa> Canonical subsidizes Netflix to provide a closed package
[02:34] <bkerensa> :P
[02:34] <bkerensa> otherwise how will Ubuntu TV ever work?
[02:34] <mhall119> same way Roku does, the OEM provides the DRM bits in hardware
[02:35] <bkerensa> so it will be a open source tv but with closed hardware?
[02:36] <mhall119> yes
[02:36] <mhall119> DRM doesn't work with "open"
[02:36] <mhall119> since it, by necessity, must give you a copy of the decryption key without letting you access the decryption key
[02:39] <mhall119> which is why a closed-source package from Canonical isn't likely, we would have to guarantee to the content producers that users will not be able to access the key we ship with the package
[02:39] <mhall119> and given that our users can do a lot of things to access it that they can't do on Windows or Mac, that'd be very, very hard to guarantee
[07:42] <dholbach> good morning
[08:37] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:47] <elfy> hi czajkowski
[12:16] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:48] <daker> hi
[13:30] <Pici> Is http://ubuntu.mirocommunity.org/ supposed to still exist?
[13:30] <Pici> Where would a user find content that was there.
[13:30] <czajkowski> Pici: what was on there?
[13:30] <czajkowski> never heard of it before
[13:32] <jcastro_> it used to have ubuntudeveloper content
[13:33] <Pici> Oh, I misread the user request, they're looking for content from UDS-M
[13:33] <jcastro_> it should be on ubuntudeveloper and/or the blip channel
[13:33] <Pici> jcastro_: righto, I'll point them in that direction.
[15:09] <jcastro_> so originally we uploaded all the videos to blip
[15:09] <jcastro_> and then it would distribute to youtube and miro
[15:09] <jcastro_> but miro and blip changed interfaces/goals at some point
[15:09] <jcastro_> so now it's just basically using blip to autoupload to youtube
[15:21] <jcastro_> dholbach: hey did you guys figure out what to do with the FAQ? SHould I idle in your meeting?
[15:22] <dholbach> jcastro_, I think cwayne18 is on it and it might take a while
[15:22] <dholbach> but I'm not 100% sure
[15:22] <dholbach> I can ask him in the meeting
[15:22] <jcastro_> k, #ubuntu-meeting?
[15:22] <dholbach> yep
[16:10] <dholbach> what a great meeting
[16:14] <nhandler> /134/85
[17:06] <dholbach> have a great weekend everyone
[21:13] <bkerensa> jcastro_: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4795880 (posted) also upboat on Reddit