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MartijnVdSGood morning everyone!06:21
* soreau puts on a pot of coffee06:24
MooDoomorning all07:00
diploMorning all08:05
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AlanBellmorning08:16
popeymorning08:18
AlanBellhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-2032551708:19
theopensourcererThat's what I keep telling my kids... "The Geeks will inherit the Earth"08:25
ali1234slow news day?08:30
czajkowskiAlanBell: you filed them nexus 7 bugs you found yet :)08:41
AlanBellnot yet :)08:46
popeynice one for setting up #ubuntu-steam AlanBell08:47
AlanBellbug 107959108:49
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1079591 in ubuntu-nexus7 "onboard can be made thin to the point of unusable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/107959108:49
AlanBellpopey: I didn't08:49
popeyAlanBell, did you try 3-finger press to get big grab handles on onboard to make it bigger?08:51
czajkowskipopey: we tried everything08:52
czajkowskiit was amusing08:52
czajkowski:)08:52
czajkowskiAlanBell: thanks told mfisch about that one08:53
czajkowskipopey: http://twitter.com/i/#!/czajkowski/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FUgV9RnvD08:54
popeyso you _did_ try 3 finger touch?08:55
selinuxiummorning all   o/08:55
AlanBellyes, tried to popey08:55
popeyinteresting08:56
AlanBellcouldn't get the handles to appear08:56
AlanBelland even when it was big and was showing the handles they didn't seem to be draggable08:56
popeyheh08:57
* theopensourcerer reminds AlanBell we have an interview in 1 hr08:58
AlanBellthere needs to be a simpler reset of onboard and possibly some minimum size anyhow08:58
* AlanBell knows08:58
* AlanBell will be in the office shortly08:58
* theopensourcerer makes a note on his timesheet ;-)08:58
theopensourcererwhats the cli name of the pdf viewer in Ubuntu?09:03
theopensourcererI *hate* it when Firefox does this... Sometime it seems to get its app to mime type/file extension mapping screwed up. Has been offering to open .doc and .pdf with gedit :-(09:05
theopensourcerernm - found it. evince. That's obvious.09:06
popeyjust like "acrobat" is obviously a pdf reader09:07
theopensourcererI also hate it that you are not shown a list of apps to which you might like to open said file with. Instead one has to browse to /usr/bin and find it. Usability failure or what.09:08
popeyright click -> open with other application09:08
popeythat should list some apps09:09
popeybut yeah, the firefox "browse for an app" thing is mental09:09
theopensourcererthe right click doesn't work when the file is sent as a result of clicking a link (i.e. not a direct link to the file).09:11
popeydoes it download though, so show up in the downloadificator window of firefox?09:12
popeyright click, open folder09:12
popeystill, ballsache09:12
theopensourcererOh I see what you mean. Possibly. But I tend to nebvedownloadificator window09:13
theopensourcererkbd fail.09:13
theopensourcerernever have the downloadificator window open ;-)09:13
popeyme either, i use chromium :)09:16
theopensourcererI use both09:17
theopensourcererBut FF is the main one. I found chrome/ium a bit more buggy and resource hungry <surprisingly>09:18
popeythat is odd09:18
ali1234theopensourcerer: xdg-open whatever.pdf09:20
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AlanBellanyone want a steam invite?09:31
diplobeta ?09:32
AlanBellyeah09:32
diplo.o/09:32
daubersAlanBell: Go on then09:32
AlanBelltoo late daubers  :)09:32
daubersn/m :)09:32
danfishmorning09:34
danfishAlanBell: you use hetzner iirc - do you use their nameserver robot?09:34
AlanBellno, don't use them for DNS09:35
MooDoohello all09:46
SuperMatthi hi09:48
danfishAlanBell: ok. tx09:48
MooDoohow is everyone today?09:48
SuperMattspiffy, thanks09:49
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:32
SuperMattmorning brobostigon10:40
brobostigonmorning SuperMatt10:41
directhexAzelphur, so, are you running a beta tf2 server?10:42
Laneyit's too frustrating that the mouse doesn't click where the pointer is10:47
Laneyhttp://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/882965239606145629/ that10:51
popeyanyone got 12.04 on an nVidia dual-screen machine perchance?11:36
diplo12.10 on both mine sorry11:40
SuperMattdang, 12.1011:44
popeynp11:48
SuperMattwho runs 12.04 these days anyway?11:52
SuperMattI'm moments away from upgrading to 13.0411:52
* popey runs 12.04 on his laptop11:52
popeyalong with millions of others11:52
dogmatic69popey: what is the actual bug you posted on twitter?11:53
* dogmatic69 has 2x monitors and nvidia11:53
dogmatic69and 12.0411:53
czajkowskimrevell: make sure you post to the Ubuntu-ie and ILUg ( irish linux user) groups if holding a meet up in Dublin11:55
mrevellczajkowski, Cool, I didn't want to spam but will do if you think it'll ok11:56
czajkowskiyeha hell ya11:56
popeydogmatic69, follow the link?12:03
popeydogmatic69, you need to update to ppa:unity-team/sru  and try opening the dash on one screen then the other12:04
czajkowskihmm where did the restart later button go12:06
MartijnVdSright click on the icon in the task bar thingy, close app :)12:08
dogmatic69popey: When I open on 1) fine, then 2) flashes quick and goes away.12:14
MooDoogood afternoon everyone12:15
popeydogmatic69, what version of unity you running (output from apt-cache policy unity) ?12:16
dogmatic69Installed: 5.16.0-0ubuntu112:17
popeyok, so the version shipped in ubuntu, not the one from ppa:unity-team/sru ?12:17
dogmatic69yep12:17
popey5.16.0+bzr2410sruubuntu0+709 is the sru version12:17
popeythis is good news, thank you!12:17
popeycan you comment on the bug that it happens with 5.16.0-0ubuntu1 (so not a regression in our sru)12:17
dogmatic69I figured I would give you the current version12:17
popeyyeah, brilliant, very helpful12:18
popeyyou dont need to upgrade and test12:18
popeythats sufficient12:18
popeyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/1079287 in case you lost the link12:18
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1079287 in Unity "Week 46 - Multimonitor dash display flickers" [Undecided,New]12:18
SuperMattoh, out of interest, I've had a bug plaguing me for a while, and I think I saw it in 12.04 and before: essentially, after being on for a short while, opening a new gnome-terminal causes my machine to hang for about 10 seconds before it is loaded. Any one else see this ever?12:19
dogmatic69popey: updated12:19
popeythanks a million12:20
czajkowskiMartijnVdS: genius!12:20
dogmatic69everyone gone to vote for a police guy...12:22
MooDoodogmatic69: yes yesterday12:26
dogmatic69MooDoo: seems like not many people went.12:27
MooDoodogmatic69: yeah not many people that interested here either12:27
dogmatic69imo its a dumb idea.12:27
dogmatic69Or at least not executed very well.12:28
MooDoodogmatic69: or most people just don't care12:28
dogmatic69well I have not had a single paper through the door regarding it12:30
dogmatic69no clue who was even up for election12:30
dogmatic69hardly a way to win support.12:31
dogmatic69s/a/the12:31
MooDoodogmatic69: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-1997073412:31
BigRedSOne day I'll get used to the way that almost everything is available already-packaged in the Debian repositories14:16
BigRedSbut I just got blown away by it again14:16
dwatkinsWhat particular package pleased you thus, BigRedS?14:22
daubersdwatkins: Umm.... might be worth rephrasing that....14:35
bokjhvHi there, I'm missing the Ubuntu 10.10  x32 edition off my LXFDisc  does anyone know where the download is ??14:39
SuperMattI believe 10.10 is no longer supported14:40
SuperMatthttp://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/14:40
daubersbokjhv: Do you mean 12.10?14:40
SuperMattbut you should be able to get it from there14:40
bokjhvthanx SuperMatt.14:40
SuperMattbokjhv: I should have asked the same question as daubers14:41
SuperMattare you sure it's 10.10 you want? 12.10 is the latest version14:41
SuperMattoh well14:41
BigRedSdwatkins: tilecache14:41
dwatkinsBigRedS: hehe, good point, thanks, just curious14:42
SuperMattI answered his question, can't do much more than that14:42
BigRedSdwatkins: it's more that I keep getting lists of things to install, fill /opt with tarballs and *then* check apt and find it's all in there14:42
dwatkinsBigRedS: yep, that sounds very familiar14:43
ali1234everything is packaged in debian14:43
andylockranhey guys - I'm running VirtualBox and one of my ubuntu machines has stopped at the grub prompt14:55
andylockranany recommendations on how to get past it?14:55
SuperMattwhat messages do you get at the prompt?14:56
SuperMattandylockran: this doesn't answer *your* question, but actually the steps are the same: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows14:58
andylockranit just hangs - can log in to VirtualBox on the server (via X forwarding) and then click through14:58
SuperMattwell, actually, it does answer the question, but it's a different question14:58
SuperMatthurm14:58
SuperMattmaybe it won't answer your question14:58
SuperMattgive it a try though, see what happens15:00
ndfhey guys, I've been out of the loop for a while and haven't really used Ubuntu for like, a year... i realise it still has apt-get but no aptitude - is there a reason I "shouldn't" have aptitude?15:00
andylockrankewl, thanks!15:00
ndfi used it for find and list15:00
SuperMattndf: I have aptitude, and this is a fresh  install of quantal15:00
ndf=/15:01
dwatkinsndf: I have aptitude, I'm running 11.04.15:01
ndfodd15:01
SuperMattI guess you could apt-get install aptitude15:01
ndfyeah, that's what I was about to do, I was just wondering if there was a reason (maybe deprecation) that it wasn't already on here15:02
dwatkinsah, I think I had to install it, I guess it's not installed by defauilt15:02
ndfit used to be, because I don't ever remember having to apt-get install it15:02
kirrusIt's kinda depreciated, but I think it'll still be supported15:03
SuperMattI know synaptic isn't installed by default15:03
diploI think it waws removed 10.04 time15:03
ndfriiight15:03
kirrusit's just apt-get has been patched tonns to make it better than aptitude at fun stuff like dependency tracking and resolution15:03
diploI preferred it if i was honest on some of the results, but they didn't want two maybe so used apt-get as default15:03
diploAs per kirrus  :D15:03
ali1234aptitude has not been in the default install for as long as i can remember15:03
MartijnVdSali1234: your memory is <1.5 years? :)15:03
ali1234i didn't know it ever was15:03
ndfyeah i think it was still in 10.0415:04
ali1234right, so it was probably removed at the same time as synaptic15:04
ndfahaa15:04
ali1234which was removed when we got software center15:05
ndfyeah that makes sense15:05
ndflol15:05
ndfto point out that it doesn't do SCP, the help says "This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers"15:06
dogmatic69man. rm somefolder and now server has died.15:06
dogmatic69load is like 1515:06
* diplo thinks dogmatic69 has done rm -rf /15:06
diplo:P15:06
dogmatic69no15:07
dogmatic69deleted a submodule15:07
dwatkinsI'm so paranoid, I add '--' to my rm -rf commands to ensure no additional options are prepended.15:08
diploI am now as well dwatkins, did my first mistake last year15:08
diploGood learning curve :)15:08
dogmatic69How can I see what is causing this?15:09
ndfif a window has focus and another opens on top but the one below still has focus, clicking on it doesn't bring it to front unless it loses focus first... how annoying15:09
dogmatic69htop is reloading every 10 seconds :/15:09
dogmatic69swap -> 4029/402915:09
SuperMattouch15:10
dogmatic69ram 3779/389615:10
dogmatic69I guess I will have to pull the plug...15:10
MartijnVdS*beep* *beep* *beeeeeeeeeeep*15:10
dogmatic69yey for hp ilo15:11
ndfwtf, i have this samsung netbook, and the CMOS has no boot order settings =/15:12
MartijnVdSndf: maybe it shows something like "Press F12 to enter boot menu"?15:13
ndfseperate from the rest of the CMOS setup?15:13
ndfhm15:13
MartijnVdSyes15:13
ndfis this quite common now?15:13
MartijnVdSno idea15:13
MartijnVdSthings are changing, with UEFI etc. ;)15:14
ndfah15:14
ndfty I'll take a look now15:14
ndfit says f2 is setup, f4 is recovery, and doesn't mention anything else... f12 started PXE net boot15:15
ndf(which fialed)15:15
ndf*failed15:15
ndflol i was being retarded15:29
ndfi was looking at the bios n thinking there was just no list under the title 'boot device priority'15:30
ndf(it's a menu item you have to go /into/)15:30
ndfhaha15:30
* ndf slaps himself15:30
ndfsweet brb - this live usb key has to go into the netbook now15:32
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kvarleyI've install apache2 on ubuntu 12.10 and enabled the user dir module but I'm getting permission denied when I visit http://localhost/~kevin/ Any ideas?16:59
directhexkvarley, what are the permissions on /home/kevin and /home/kevin/public_html ?17:00
directhexi.e. does www-data have read & execute permissions on those dirs?17:00
kvarleydirecthex: I did chmod -R 775 on public_html17:01
kvarleydirecthex: How can I grant www-data access?17:01
directhexkvarley, so on public_html, but what about on /home/kevin ?17:02
SuperMattkvarley: did you restart apache after you enabled the mod?17:02
kvarleydirecthex: Ah ok, doesn't seem like it gives access to anybody but me17:03
kvarleySuperMatt: yes17:03
kvarleydirecthex: Oh, just realised my homedir is encrypted17:04
SuperMattthat might do it17:05
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directhexAzelphur, so, srsly, beta server? the best pings i can find on populated beta servers are 150+17:07
kvarleyIs it possible to reload permissions without logging out and back in again?17:09
SuperMattnot really :/17:09
kvarleyOk, brb then ;)17:10
kvarleyAskUbuntu has to be one of the most awesome help sites out there :) That and #ubuntu-uk ofc :)17:12
SuperMattthere's always #omg!ubuntu!, but no one ever talks in there :(17:17
dogmatic69any idea why I cant telnet into irc?17:41
dogmatic69telnet irc.freenode.net 666717:41
dogmatic69gets hostname, checks ident and then hangs for a while and times out17:42
dogmatic69ERROR :Closing Link: 127.0.0.1 (Connection timed out)17:42
ndfanyone know of any software that prevents windows from opening at a size larger than the resolution of the screen? i'm on a netbook with a short height screen =(17:43
dogmatic69helps if I sent the actual commands :D17:49
Priyankhow to install drivers in ubuntu. please help.18:47
Priyankanyone there to help??18:49
brobostigonPriyank: you can install them, using the normal, apt/dpg method.18:51
brobostigonand using aptitude/synaptic etc.18:51
Priyanki'm a absolute beginner in this. . can u please help me by giving me the steps.18:52
Priyanki cant connect to internet/wifi.18:52
brobostigonPriyank: ok, look up on packages.ubuntu.com thr name of the driver package you need. then look that up, in software centre, and install it.18:53
brobostigonPriyank: ah, ok, that makes things more complex. look up the package as a said, within the package details, download the .deb package to that machine, ie copy via a usb stick for example. then install with "sudo dpkg -i PACKAGENAME"18:54
Priyankok, i''ll try that.18:55
Priyankcan i contact u in future for further assistance??18:55
brobostigonPriyank: also, download any dependencies it shows it needs.18:55
brobostigonPriyank: of course, yes. just check that i am here first.18:55
Priyankany other way to contact u??18:56
brobostigonPriyank: just ask youre question here, there are loads of people here, that can help.18:56
kirrusPriyank: you might need to be a little patient for one of us to answer though :-)18:57
Priyankhow do i know which package to download??18:57
brobostigonPriyank: read the package description, and make sure it matches the ubuntu version you use.18:58
Priyankwhat is precise and quantal??18:59
brobostigon!precise18:59
lubotu3Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) is the current !LTS release of Ubuntu.  Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/120418:59
brobostigon!quantal18:59
lubotu3Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) is the current stable release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ - Release notes: http://ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/12.1018:59
Priyanki have installed ubuntu 12.04, so i have precise19:01
brobostigonyes19:01
bokjhvbrobostigon, Hi there .. what was the comand line command in Ubuntu  to kill wireless (?) .. kill connections ?19:02
brobostigonbokjhv: sudo ifdown NETWORKDEVICE19:03
Priyankits very confusing, i cant understand anythng there. . .19:04
brobostigonPriyank: ok, lets have more info, put "iwconfig" into a terminal, and pastebin the output for us.19:05
directhexPriyank, okay, start from the beginning. you have no WiFi support, or no wired networking support, or both?19:06
Priyankboth.19:06
Priyank"no wireless extension"19:06
directhexhuh, that's uncommon. what's the hardware? e.g. model of laptop?19:06
brobostigonthats in the networkmanager applet ?19:06
Priyankmodel dell 14r19:07
directhexPriyank, so, in the general case, drivers for all types of hardware except graphics cards are built into the linux kernel, so all hardware should work "out of the box" as long as the kernel supports it19:08
brobostigonexception, some still require closed firmware blobs.19:08
bokjhvPriyank, I've got a samsung  N135 .. just updating atmo.19:08
directhexbrobostigon, ubuntu installs all firmwares by default, the only thing not included is out-of-tree drivers not maintained via ubuntu patches to mainline19:09
Priyankbrobostigon??19:09
Priyanku htere??19:10
brobostigondirecthex: ok, good point, maybe just used to debian not including such things.19:10
directhexPriyank, so, apparently there might be a bug in the 14R's BIOS. can you reboot it into the BIOS, and disable the setting "WLAN Toggle"?19:11
Priyanki'll try tht.19:11
Priyankwhat should i do after that.19:11
directhexjust boot back into ubuntu, see if it feels better19:12
Priyanku guys dont upload video tutorials. . it makes work much more easier.19:12
directhexPriyank, this isn't a tutorial job, it's a specific issue support job19:13
directhexPriyank, in most cases, stuff should just work out of the box19:13
Priyankwhat is wlan toggle, there is nothing like dat.19:13
directhexi don't own a dell 14r, i can't give you anything more precise than i'm reading in other peoples' reports19:14
directhexsomething like the top entry on http://en.community.dell.com/cfs-file.ashx/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/3324/8664.bios.JPG19:15
Priyanki'll check.19:16
brobostigoni like the new android 4.2 topbar pulldown, especially showing battery percentage, without having to go all the way into settings.19:26
directhexokay, android fans, how do i make the home etc button not be at the bottom of the screen?19:28
ali1234battery percentage is a massive lie19:28
directhexbuttons at the bottom of the screen render android unusable for kids. so how to dispose? go!19:28
ali1234the home button is a hardware button19:28
directhexali1234, not since android 3.019:28
ali1234what? how do you get to the home screen when you're in an app then?19:29
directhexyou press the software home button which android injects into the bottom of every screen19:29
directhexregardless of screen orientation19:29
ali1234wow19:29
ali1234that sucks19:29
LaneyI always accidently mash those19:29
Laneyespecially when typing at a pace19:30
ali1234so if you remove it, how will you get to the home screen, or go back, or open the menu?19:30
directhexali1234, i don't care. move the buttons to the top, or some kind of ssecret tap to make them reappear. whatever. point is, toddlers lean on the bottom of the screen, therefore any app with bottom-of-screen buttons is junk. an entire *os* with bottom of screen buttons is junk19:31
brobostigonali1234: i agree, but it is useful, also with it being a shortcut, as to what is using cpu and wake time etc, is useful.19:31
ali1234anyway, it must be possible somehow, because my SGS still has hardware buttons and doesn't put silly extra buttons on the screen19:32
brobostigonwell, i can run, android 4, on my g1, and it has the hw controls, and also shows the software controls also. weird, but thats how it is. i agree, in such situation there must be a way of changing it.19:33
directhexremember, touchwiz =~ android19:33
directhexsamsung may have mangled the controls in touchwiz, but they're fixed in upstream android19:34
ali1234i don't use samsung rubbish19:34
ali1234i use cyanogen 1019:34
ali1234it's android 4.1.2.19:34
Azelphurali1234: ^519:34
ali1234^5?19:35
Azelphurhigh five :P19:35
Azelphurhttps://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/2012/August/IMG_20120831_205728.jpg19:35
ali1234pretty much19:35
ali1234anyway cyanogen knows how to get rid of the software buttons19:35
AzelphurI'd have a Nexus 4 too if google built more than 3 of them19:36
ali1234so it must be possible somehow19:36
ali1234touchwiz is really bad19:36
brobostigonali1234: it is possible, because early 4* builds for my g1, had only those hw controls.19:37
ali1234Azelphur: did you manage to sell that phone you were selling?19:37
Azelphurali1234: the galaxy s3? luckily ebay randomly banned me so no19:37
Azelphurwhich is a mixed blessing, on the plus side google made a total of 3 nexus 4's, so I didn't get one, so if it had of sold I'd have had no phone19:38
Azelphuron the downside, I'm of course banned from ebay19:38
directhexOI Azelphur! BACK TO WORK!19:42
Azelphur:o19:42
Azelphurdirecthex:  I don't have any TF2 beta server, only TF2 official19:42
directhexreportbug -s "OPEN A TF2 BETA SERVER FOR LINUX STEAM TESTERS!" azelphur19:44
Azelphurhehe19:44
Azelphursupporting the official release is annoying enoug19:44
Azelphurh19:44
directhex:'(19:45
directhexdude, 150 ping19:45
Azelphurdirecthex: you probably won't get amazing ping to my server either, it's in east coast US19:45
Azelphurtry pinging azelphur.com19:45
directhexlaaaaaaaame19:45
directhexi'm amazed just how few beta servers there are tbh19:45
directhexi.e. 1019:46
Azelphurhaha19:46
Azelphuryea, not many people do beta19:46
directhexnot full or empty or passworded = 819:46
directhexwell, there's one good thing about beta19:47
directhexi still own max's severed head19:47
AzelphurInteresting, that does tempt me to get into19:47
Azelphurshiny advertising revenue :319:47
bokjhvmmhphf .. I went for the MIUI thingy.20:03
Azelphurhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LG-GOOGLE-Nexus-4-16GB-Black-Unlocked-Smartphone-BNIB-/110977272495?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item19d6c2caaf&autorefresh=true20:05
Azelphurnexus 4's are getting ridiculous amounts on ebay o.O20:05
AlanBellso you take a reasonable phone, add the awesome feature of not costing much, and people are prepared to pay well over the odds for it, thus discarding it's main feature20:15
Azelphurhaha20:16
ali1234well it has the other awesome feature of actually possibly getting updates from time to time20:41
ali1234but only if you buy it from google20:41
ali1234why does TF2 linux need a special server?20:42
directhextf2 beta does. it's a different product20:43
ali1234how does that make any sense?20:43
ali1234i mean i get that it has to have a different product ID so that only beta users can install it20:43
directhextf2 has a steam appid of 440. tf2 beta has a steam appid of 52020:44
directhexeveryone on every platform can install either, but you can't interact between the two products20:44
ali1234so if you go into TF2 beta and manually type in a regular TF2 server address, the steam DRM prevents you from connecting to the server?20:44
directhexyou don't need to be in the steam beta to use the tf2 beta. just run steam://install/52020:45
directhexali1234, not a drm question, an incompatible protocol question20:45
directhexremember the old days, where e.g. quake 2 server & client needed the same version?20:45
ali1234not really no20:45
* AlanBell remembers doom, when you needed to make up a serial cable20:46
ali1234besides, those were the old days20:46
ali1234or set up IPX netwrking20:46
AlanBelland wolfenstein which I don't recall being multi player20:46
directhexi think the main issue is the economy20:47
directhexthe beta and the "real" game are not part of the same economy. i.e. no hats for sale in the beta20:47
ali1234the economy?20:47
ali1234you mean like the hat exchange rate could crash due to it?20:47
directhexyeah20:47
directhexhats are big business20:47
ali1234that kinda makes sense i suppose20:47
kvarleydirecthex: You can play  tf2 without a beta invite? 0.o20:47
kvarleydirecthex: Or does it just let you download it?20:48
directhexkvarley, on windows you can play tf2 or tf2 beta, without any special things. on linux you cannot play tf2, and can play tf2 beta only with an invite20:48
Azelphurali1234: yea, the protocols are different20:48
directhexali1234, it's an 8-figure economy!20:48
Azelphurkvarley: you can't play tf2 without a beta invite, you can login to steam though20:48
* Azelphur is in the beta :p20:48
ali1234beta schmeta20:48
ali1234this stuff is too complicated20:48
* kvarley is envious of Azelphur20:48
Azelphurhehe20:48
ali1234they should just make 1 beta20:48
ali1234not millions20:49
kvarleyI bought and played Killing Floor via the Steam Beta20:49
kvarleyIt's like Christmas has come early this year20:49
Azelphurali1234: there's the Linux beta, which is a closed beta20:49
kvarleyBeen hoping for this for 7+ years :P20:49
Azelphurand there's the team fortress 2 beta, where they test out new ideas before implementing them in the release version20:49
AzelphurTF2 beta is like WoW's PTR20:49
ali1234yeah eve has a server like that too20:50
Azelphur:)20:50
ali1234makes sense that they'd keep it seperate20:50
directhexhaaaaats20:50
AzelphurAdvanced hat simulator 2012.20:50
Azelphur:p20:50
directhextf2 is the world's favourite war-themed hat simulator20:50
kvarleyhaha20:50
ali1234so the "TF2 for linux" just happens to be a build of TF2 beta, rather than TF2 stable20:50
directhexand assassin's creed 3 is the most advanced pig petting simulator ever20:50
directhexali1234, bingo20:51
Azelphurali1234: no, it's both20:51
ali1234the TF2 beta is not specifically a build for linux20:51
ali1234ok, i get it now20:51
Azelphuryou can play TF2 stable or TF2 beta on Linux20:51
Azelphur:)20:51
directhexAzelphur, i can't20:51
directhexi get "servers are busy" from appid 44020:51
Azelphurdirecthex: you can play TF2 beta without being in the beta?20:51
directhexAzelphur, i'm in the beta20:52
Azelphuroh, fun20:52
directhexAzelphur, but i don't have access to stable tf220:52
Azelphur:<20:52
directhexi even paid for the orange box, damnit20:53
ali1234what's the deal with invites?20:53
Azelphurali1234: invite is for the Linux beta20:54
AlanBellyou had to be registered in Launchpad for UDS20:54
ali1234AlanBell: no i meant, how were you able to give one away? they're not tied to specific steam accounts? or is this just for UDS people?20:54
directhexali1234, so the way the beta is being implemented at the moment is by making the beta quit unless you own a specific game, "Steam for Linux". canonical are emailing people the CD key for this game, which they add to their steam accounts20:54
AlanBellthere was an email with a code in it because I was registered for UDS20:55
AlanBellI don't know how it relates to steam accounts20:55
ali1234yeah, figures, if registered for UDS they can't know your steam account (if you even have one)20:55
AzelphurAlanBell: you probably start up steam and click redeem gift voucher20:56
AlanBelldunno if it is even a personal key or not20:56
directhex"Activate a Product on Steam"20:56
Azelphurwhich would be amusing thinking about it, because you'd have to exploit steam to be able to do so20:56
directhexor paste steam://open/activateproduct in your browser address bar20:57
popeythats exactly what I did, redeem product on steam20:59
Azelphurfun21:00
popeygot a mail with a code from valve21:00
popeyopened the client on windows and punched in the code, then unpacked the tarball on linux and ran it, job done21:00
Azelphuryou got a tarball? everyone else only got a .deb21:01
ali1234i see21:01
directhexunless borderlands 2 gets added to the beta in the next half hour, i think i'll reboot to windows21:01
AlanBellso is that a personal single use code, or did everyone get the same code?21:01
AzelphurI'd imagine it'd be personal single use21:02
ali1234if everyone got the same code it would be getting passed around by now21:02
directhexthey're personal single use codes21:02
directhexCD keys, like you find in a game box21:02
popeyAzelphur, i got it before it went public21:02
Azelphurfun :)21:03
popeyit was encrypted too21:03
AlanBelldiplo is my gaming deputy21:03
selinuxium_Hmm... Trying to install openvas on a 12.04 server apparently, the version of libmicrohttpd package was updated recently which has broken openvas. How do I go about installing a previous version?21:12
popeydepends if its still in the repo21:14
popeyapt-get install packagename=versionnumber21:14
popeye.g. sudo apt-get install unity=5.16.0-0ubuntu121:14
popeyor apt-get install package/pocket21:14
popeye.g sudo apt-get install unity/precise21:15
selinuxium_Oooh... Cheers popey  :)21:15

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