| Len-nb | Maybe it has been fixed there is a build for today, but I can't upgrade the low latency kernel still. | 00:00 |
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| zequence | Len-nb: You should be able to install the image separately | 00:00 |
| zequence | Len-nb: I notified apw about it | 00:01 |
| zequence | The guy who maintains it atm | 00:01 |
| Len-nb | Ah, I thought that was you for some reason... | 00:01 |
| zequence | Len-nb: I haven't yet taken over maintenance | 00:01 |
| Len-nb | Ok, I am not in a hurry to get it, just thought it should work is all :) | 00:02 |
| zequence | Yep | 00:03 |
| smartboyhw | OK guys we got the build actually built but you can't install it. | 08:29 |
| smartboyhw | Bug 1079193 breaks installation in all images (all flavours) | 08:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1079193 in linux (Ubuntu) "aufs overlay error shortly after starting installer" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079193 | 08:29 |
| smartboyhw | astraljava1, why extra nick? | 09:28 |
| astraljava1 | Got disconnected, hold on. | 09:39 |
| === astraljava1 is now known as astraljava | ||
| smartboyhw | Oh...That's why. | 09:41 |
| smartboyhw | Hi scott-work | 14:24 |
| smartboyhw | Ladies and Gentlemen: Ubuntu Studio is now in Wubi!!!!! | 14:36 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: So, will you be able to test install it? | 14:37 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, hopefully yes. Some guy bcbc actually tested the original version of the code and told me it was wrong, I fixed it and the code was now merged into Wubi source code. Hopefully he will test it again | 14:38 |
| smartboyhw | Bug 1070682 closed:D | 14:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1070682 in Wubi "wubi and ubuntu studio" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070682 | 14:48 |
| smartboyhw | micahg, can you please upload ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.14 for len-dt I think we will want that fix a.s.a.p. | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | gee then someone should go update the seeds and the metas | 14:59 |
| zequence | Seems like Steam coming to Ubuntu will improve chances of working ATI graphic drivers | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I have it here already (though it is 13.04) | 15:00 |
| zequence | smartboyhw: fglrx? | 15:01 |
| smartboyhw | zequence, I mean Steam Beta | 15:01 |
| zequence | ATI graphic drivers have their ups and downs. The open source drivers are fully functional and I think support more devices than the proprietary ones, but seem to have problems with overheating | 15:02 |
| zequence | fglrx on the other hand may or may not work, depending on the Ubuntu release | 15:03 |
| zequence | From what I understand, Steam will put pressure on AMD to get their proprietary drivers working well on Ubuntu | 15:03 |
| zequence | Right now, Nvidia and Intel graphic card are well supported, but not AMD ATI | 15:04 |
| zequence | Hopefully with Steam coming to Linux there will be more focus on well working graphic drivers | 15:05 |
| zequence | A quote from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve, "NOTE: The fglrx-experimental-9 driver will be available in precise-proposed soon, but is not yet available." | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | bye zequence | 15:18 |
| astraljava | zequence: Yeah, I wonder how they'll do that. They just axed the OS folks department in Germany. | 17:05 |
| zequence | astraljava: Since fglrx already exists, I'd imagine it wouldn't take them too much resources to make it work ok | 17:26 |
| astraljava | zequence: Well... they've had fglrx existing for quite some while. Look where it's gotten them. :) | 17:28 |
| zequence | astraljava: They didn't have good enough reason to get it working better in the past. And from what I hear, Valve does work closely with Nvidia and AMD to better graphics, as does probably a lot of big gaming companies | 17:32 |
| astraljava | Sure, it does sound logical when you put it that way. But then their actions tell a different story. | 17:34 |
| zequence | astraljava: I haven't followed AMD business closely, but from what I understand, they are putting less effort on x86 arch | 17:40 |
| zequence | And I wouldn't know how that would affect ATI graphic cards | 17:40 |
| astraljava | Well, I don't think arch has anything to do with it. Most of the major linux distributions have announced the majority of their new installs base is non-x86 anyway, so it doesn't sound like the reason. | 17:46 |
| astraljava | But, with big business, what do the outsiders know. | 17:46 |
| zequence | astraljava: I don't think the linux distros not using x86 are as concerned with the development of fglrx (servers, and such). | 18:15 |
| zequence | AMD announced that they were no longer competing with Intel on x86 as they used to | 18:15 |
| zequence | And I'm assuming the cuts are somehow related, I don't really know | 18:16 |
| zequence | AMD ATI Radeon however, is a different issue all together | 18:16 |
| zequence | This is about the open source driver problem http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE3ODg | 18:24 |
| zequence | hmm. When I maximize windows in 12.10, the top window bar disappears just like in Unity? | 19:13 |
| zequence | This install is messed up, but I'm still a little surprised to see it happen | 19:14 |
| zequence | Ah, the top panel is set to autohide, but it doesn't hide | 19:14 |
| holstein | zequence: i ask users to run as root as a troubleshooting step for permissions | 22:20 |
| holstein | zequence: i actually used the word "temporarily" in my susggetion | 22:22 |
| holstein | suggestion* | 22:22 |
| holstein | 14:36 < holstein> paul__: try running temporarily as root | 22:23 |
| zequence | holstein: Yea, but if he can start jack, then you can conclude he doesn't have a permission problem | 22:26 |
| holstein | zequence: i wasnt convinced it was starting | 22:26 |
| holstein | zequence: it was a choice i made, and i said "temporarily".. but im trying to appreciate you clarifying | 22:26 |
| holstein | it wont hurt | 22:27 |
| holstein | i dont think that is the issue for him though | 22:27 |
| holstein | its not an ardour issuse... | 22:28 |
| holstein | i think its making noise becuase he's trying to push too much with it | 22:29 |
| holstein | if he comes back, we'll see... and i'll just keep quiet | 22:30 |
| holstein | its nice having other supportes in the channel | 22:30 |
| holstein | supporters* | 22:30 |
| zequence | There does seem to be a tendency for other users to help out | 22:30 |
| holstein | yup... now a days, we have a few | 22:30 |
| zequence | Don't know if the amount of users logged in has increased much. Can't remember from before | 22:31 |
| zequence | 36 is not a bad number | 22:31 |
| holstein | i popped in the channel at the end of 2009 and asked a question... waited a week and asked again.. and i was the only one answering questions for the most part til recently | 22:31 |
| holstein | i think 12.04 is solid | 22:32 |
| holstein | attracting users again :) | 22:32 |
| zequence | Only problem with 12.04 is jack though | 22:32 |
| holstein | works OK for me | 22:32 |
| holstein | so far at least | 22:32 |
| zequence | jackdbus? | 22:32 |
| zequence | Or jackd | 22:32 |
| holstein | i havent had any issues doing my normal thing with 12.04 | 22:32 |
| zequence | If you stop jackdbus, eventually it crashes and stays running in the background | 22:33 |
| zequence | You can't kill it from the system monitor | 22:33 |
| holstein | zequence: so far, its been clean starts and stops | 22:33 |
| zequence | holstein: jackdbus, or jackd? | 22:33 |
| holstein | just jackd AFAIK | 22:33 |
| zequence | jackd will work fine, but not jackdbus | 22:33 |
| zequence | jackdbus is the default | 22:33 |
| holstein | i didnt change anything | 22:34 |
| holstein | i just hit start, and its been working fine | 22:34 |
| zequence | holstein: Did you disable dbus? | 22:34 |
| holstein | start, stop ..edit settings .. start | 22:34 |
| holstein | zequence: not at first | 22:34 |
| zequence | holstein: It's a known and verified bug with jackdbus, it crashing when trying to stop it | 22:34 |
| holstein | zequence: i can test more though and see.. when i get my firewire device back over here | 22:34 |
| zequence | One which I'm about to fix | 22:34 |
| holstein | cool | 22:35 |
| holstein | i had read about it.. but im not intersted in the dbus thing anyways | 22:35 |
| zequence | Many users have had to reboot in order to be able to start jack again | 22:35 |
| holstein | zequence: i did notice that in 12.10 in testing, but i assumed it was just me | 22:35 |
| zequence | There's also the matter with the kernel not being as well performing as pre version 3.* | 22:36 |
| zequence | You might get random xruns at fairly high latencies. | 22:37 |
| holstein | well, i get noticably better performance in 10.04 with the rt kernel from 9.10 | 22:37 |
| holstein | and falks realtime kernels | 22:37 |
| zequence | You mean aboganis :) | 22:37 |
| holstein | its a bit of a regression, but im still hopeful | 22:37 |
| holstein | zequence: those are falks though.. he patched them for nvidia | 22:37 |
| zequence | I haven't yet tested the raring kernel. 12.10 is still a bit sucky | 22:37 |
| holstein | i suppose i might have to learn to make my own | 22:38 |
| zequence | Don't think realtime is much better | 22:38 |
| zequence | Haven't been for me on Debian anyway | 22:38 |
| holstein | hmm. that sux | 22:38 |
| zequence | Depends more on the kernel version than on realtime/lowlatency for me | 22:38 |
| holstein | i assumed a realtime would be on par with the old one | 22:39 |
| zequence | This is why I'll be using 2.6.37 version, no matter which release | 22:39 |
| holstein | i might too... | 22:39 |
| zequence | Nah, the realtime kernels have been worse since 3.0 or there around | 22:39 |
| holstein | i like the old kernels abogani and falk had | 22:39 |
| holstein | they work great... | 22:39 |
| zequence | The lowlatency kernel 2.6.37 was awesome | 22:40 |
| holstein | i need that damn nvidia driver for dual head :/ | 22:40 |
| holstein | i might look into friendlier hardware for this though... | 22:40 |
| zequence | holstein: Here's a howto I made on building 2.6.38 lowlatency | 22:41 |
| zequence | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency | 22:41 |
| holstein | zequence: cool.. i'll bm that for later | 22:41 |
| zequence | holstein: That is using the official ubuntu 2.6.38 kernel, and since you build not just the image, but also the headers, you'll be able to install proprietary graphic drivers | 22:45 |
| holstein | yeah, im fuzzy on all that | 22:45 |
| holstein | i glaze over about 3 lines in.. but thats where i am | 22:46 |
| holstein | i think i need a basic linux class or something, if im going to properly contribute | 22:46 |
| holstein | making my own kernel would be helpful it think | 22:46 |
| holstein | anyways.. i gotta go to work | 22:46 |
| zequence | holstein: Building a kernel in itself is not that difficult. But, I guess understanding each step might take a few moments to go through | 22:47 |
| holstein | picked up thursdays and fridays at a club here from thanksgiving til the end of the year :) | 22:47 |
| zequence | holstein: Have fun | 22:47 |
| holstein | zequence: its pretty daunting if you literally have no idea about he jargon | 22:47 |
| holstein | its like a question i got recently.. "whats the difference between a URL and an HTTP?" | 22:48 |
| holstein | i mean, you gotta unwind that a bit just to even say yes or no... and thats where i am with most of this lower level stuff | 22:48 |
| zequence | holstein: There are mostly three things to worry about. 1. vanilla or generic source? 2. make sure you have the right config file(the one that makes it -lowlatency) 3. command to build it | 22:48 |
| holstein | im not a coder.. and im not sure i want to be, but i like learning and helping support USB | 22:48 |
| holstein | US* | 22:49 |
| holstein | anyways... chow! and enjoy the evening/day! | 22:49 |
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