[00:00] Maybe it has been fixed there is a build for today, but I can't upgrade the low latency kernel still. [00:00] Len-nb: You should be able to install the image separately [00:01] Len-nb: I notified apw about it [00:01] The guy who maintains it atm [00:01] Ah, I thought that was you for some reason... [00:01] Len-nb: I haven't yet taken over maintenance [00:02] Ok, I am not in a hurry to get it, just thought it should work is all :) [00:03] Yep [08:29] OK guys we got the build actually built but you can't install it. [08:29] Bug 1079193 breaks installation in all images (all flavours) [08:29] Launchpad bug 1079193 in linux (Ubuntu) "aufs overlay error shortly after starting installer" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1079193 [09:28] astraljava1, why extra nick? [09:39] Got disconnected, hold on. === astraljava1 is now known as astraljava [09:41] Oh...That's why. [14:24] Hi scott-work [14:36] Ladies and Gentlemen: Ubuntu Studio is now in Wubi!!!!! [14:37] smartboyhw: So, will you be able to test install it? [14:38] zequence, hopefully yes. Some guy bcbc actually tested the original version of the code and told me it was wrong, I fixed it and the code was now merged into Wubi source code. Hopefully he will test it again [14:48] Bug 1070682 closed:D [14:48] Launchpad bug 1070682 in Wubi "wubi and ubuntu studio" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1070682 [14:57] micahg, can you please upload ubuntustudio-icon-theme 0.14 for len-dt I think we will want that fix a.s.a.p. [14:59] gee then someone should go update the seeds and the metas [15:00] Seems like Steam coming to Ubuntu will improve chances of working ATI graphic drivers [15:00] zequence, I have it here already (though it is 13.04) [15:01] smartboyhw: fglrx? [15:01] zequence, I mean Steam Beta [15:02] ATI graphic drivers have their ups and downs. The open source drivers are fully functional and I think support more devices than the proprietary ones, but seem to have problems with overheating [15:03] fglrx on the other hand may or may not work, depending on the Ubuntu release [15:03] From what I understand, Steam will put pressure on AMD to get their proprietary drivers working well on Ubuntu [15:04] Right now, Nvidia and Intel graphic card are well supported, but not AMD ATI [15:05] Hopefully with Steam coming to Linux there will be more focus on well working graphic drivers [15:06] A quote from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve, "NOTE: The fglrx-experimental-9 driver will be available in precise-proposed soon, but is not yet available." [15:18] bye zequence [17:05] zequence: Yeah, I wonder how they'll do that. They just axed the OS folks department in Germany. [17:26] astraljava: Since fglrx already exists, I'd imagine it wouldn't take them too much resources to make it work ok [17:28] zequence: Well... they've had fglrx existing for quite some while. Look where it's gotten them. :) [17:32] astraljava: They didn't have good enough reason to get it working better in the past. And from what I hear, Valve does work closely with Nvidia and AMD to better graphics, as does probably a lot of big gaming companies [17:34] Sure, it does sound logical when you put it that way. But then their actions tell a different story. [17:40] astraljava: I haven't followed AMD business closely, but from what I understand, they are putting less effort on x86 arch [17:40] And I wouldn't know how that would affect ATI graphic cards [17:46] Well, I don't think arch has anything to do with it. Most of the major linux distributions have announced the majority of their new installs base is non-x86 anyway, so it doesn't sound like the reason. [17:46] But, with big business, what do the outsiders know. [18:15] astraljava: I don't think the linux distros not using x86 are as concerned with the development of fglrx (servers, and such). [18:15] AMD announced that they were no longer competing with Intel on x86 as they used to [18:16] And I'm assuming the cuts are somehow related, I don't really know [18:16] AMD ATI Radeon however, is a different issue all together [18:24] This is about the open source driver problem http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE3ODg [19:13] hmm. When I maximize windows in 12.10, the top window bar disappears just like in Unity? [19:14] This install is messed up, but I'm still a little surprised to see it happen [19:14] Ah, the top panel is set to autohide, but it doesn't hide [22:20] zequence: i ask users to run as root as a troubleshooting step for permissions [22:22] zequence: i actually used the word "temporarily" in my susggetion [22:22] suggestion* [22:23] 14:36 < holstein> paul__: try running temporarily as root [22:26] holstein: Yea, but if he can start jack, then you can conclude he doesn't have a permission problem [22:26] zequence: i wasnt convinced it was starting [22:26] zequence: it was a choice i made, and i said "temporarily".. but im trying to appreciate you clarifying [22:27] it wont hurt [22:27] i dont think that is the issue for him though [22:28] its not an ardour issuse... [22:29] i think its making noise becuase he's trying to push too much with it [22:30] if he comes back, we'll see... and i'll just keep quiet [22:30] its nice having other supportes in the channel [22:30] supporters* [22:30] There does seem to be a tendency for other users to help out [22:30] yup... now a days, we have a few [22:31] Don't know if the amount of users logged in has increased much. Can't remember from before [22:31] 36 is not a bad number [22:31] i popped in the channel at the end of 2009 and asked a question... waited a week and asked again.. and i was the only one answering questions for the most part til recently [22:32] i think 12.04 is solid [22:32] attracting users again :) [22:32] Only problem with 12.04 is jack though [22:32] works OK for me [22:32] so far at least [22:32] jackdbus? [22:32] Or jackd [22:32] i havent had any issues doing my normal thing with 12.04 [22:33] If you stop jackdbus, eventually it crashes and stays running in the background [22:33] You can't kill it from the system monitor [22:33] zequence: so far, its been clean starts and stops [22:33] holstein: jackdbus, or jackd? [22:33] just jackd AFAIK [22:33] jackd will work fine, but not jackdbus [22:33] jackdbus is the default [22:34] i didnt change anything [22:34] i just hit start, and its been working fine [22:34] holstein: Did you disable dbus? [22:34] start, stop ..edit settings .. start [22:34] zequence: not at first [22:34] holstein: It's a known and verified bug with jackdbus, it crashing when trying to stop it [22:34] zequence: i can test more though and see.. when i get my firewire device back over here [22:34] One which I'm about to fix [22:35] cool [22:35] i had read about it.. but im not intersted in the dbus thing anyways [22:35] Many users have had to reboot in order to be able to start jack again [22:35] zequence: i did notice that in 12.10 in testing, but i assumed it was just me [22:36] There's also the matter with the kernel not being as well performing as pre version 3.* [22:37] You might get random xruns at fairly high latencies. [22:37] well, i get noticably better performance in 10.04 with the rt kernel from 9.10 [22:37] and falks realtime kernels [22:37] You mean aboganis :) [22:37] its a bit of a regression, but im still hopeful [22:37] zequence: those are falks though.. he patched them for nvidia [22:37] I haven't yet tested the raring kernel. 12.10 is still a bit sucky [22:38] i suppose i might have to learn to make my own [22:38] Don't think realtime is much better [22:38] Haven't been for me on Debian anyway [22:38] hmm. that sux [22:38] Depends more on the kernel version than on realtime/lowlatency for me [22:39] i assumed a realtime would be on par with the old one [22:39] This is why I'll be using 2.6.37 version, no matter which release [22:39] i might too... [22:39] Nah, the realtime kernels have been worse since 3.0 or there around [22:39] i like the old kernels abogani and falk had [22:39] they work great... [22:40] The lowlatency kernel 2.6.37 was awesome [22:40] i need that damn nvidia driver for dual head :/ [22:40] i might look into friendlier hardware for this though... [22:41] holstein: Here's a howto I made on building 2.6.38 lowlatency [22:41] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BuildOldLowlatency [22:41] zequence: cool.. i'll bm that for later [22:45] holstein: That is using the official ubuntu 2.6.38 kernel, and since you build not just the image, but also the headers, you'll be able to install proprietary graphic drivers [22:45] yeah, im fuzzy on all that [22:46] i glaze over about 3 lines in.. but thats where i am [22:46] i think i need a basic linux class or something, if im going to properly contribute [22:46] making my own kernel would be helpful it think [22:46] anyways.. i gotta go to work [22:47] holstein: Building a kernel in itself is not that difficult. But, I guess understanding each step might take a few moments to go through [22:47] picked up thursdays and fridays at a club here from thanksgiving til the end of the year :) [22:47] holstein: Have fun [22:47] zequence: its pretty daunting if you literally have no idea about he jargon [22:48] its like a question i got recently.. "whats the difference between a URL and an HTTP?" [22:48] i mean, you gotta unwind that a bit just to even say yes or no... and thats where i am with most of this lower level stuff [22:48] holstein: There are mostly three things to worry about. 1. vanilla or generic source? 2. make sure you have the right config file(the one that makes it -lowlatency) 3. command to build it [22:48] im not a coder.. and im not sure i want to be, but i like learning and helping support USB [22:49] US* [22:49] anyways... chow! and enjoy the evening/day!