[00:00] <surfn__> I'm trying to configure rdesktop - what files do I need to install on the target machine to make this work?
[00:05] <xixor> surfn__: rdesktop, the Microsoft RDP client?
[00:05] <xixor> surfn__: I do this all the time.  The target machine just needs to be running the RDP server
[00:06] <surfn__> Sorry, its a linux box, what do I need to install to run the RDP server?
[00:06] <surfn__> xixor: does that make sense?
[00:07] <zacarias> Is there a place (like an editable text fikle) where the application settings are stored?
[00:07] <xixor> surfn__: RDP server only runs on windows
[00:07] <surfn__> I've installed the rdesktop on the local Kubuntu box, but what do I need to install on the target (Debian) to rdesktop into it?
[00:08] <xixor> surfn__: you cannot.  rdesktop is a client for Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP), which is a service that only windows computers have
[00:08] <DarthFrog> !vnc | surfn__
[00:08] <xixor> surfn__: there are some technologies that can do this for linux: VNC, NX, Xforwarding, Xforwarding over SSH
[00:10] <surfn__> k cheers, I'll look into VNC...
[00:14] <xixor> For the past 10 years I've used VNC, NX, Xforwarding.... none of them hold a candle to RDP
[00:15] <zacarias> I set Gwenview to open on full screen (in a compulsory way) in the "special aplication settings". Now, I can't access the window bar of the application to turn the setting off, because it doesn't leave full screen. Any help?
[00:15] <DarthFrog> zacarias: What happens when you press ALT-M when the gwenview window has the focus?
[00:17] <zacarias> DarthFrog: Nothing happens. Should it show the window menu?
[00:17] <DarthFrog> Try Alt-W.
[00:18] <zacarias> DarthFrog: Again, nothing.
[00:18] <DarthFrog> Hmm, strange.
[00:18] <DarthFrog> Alt-F should help.
[00:19] <DarthFrog> or Alt-S
[00:23] <phiscribe> f11
[00:36] <zacarias> DarthFrog: Hi, I managed how to do it: System Settings->Window Behaviour->Window Rules, and there it was for me to edit. Thanks anway! :-)
[00:37] <DarthFrog> zacarias: Glad to hear it.
[02:21] <Brustofski-Fan> 12.10 is a big improvement over 12.04. boot time seems twice as fast.. apt-get is faster.. not geting the kde errors like i did in 12.04.
[02:22] <satyam> Hi
[02:22] <Brustofski-Fan> hello
[02:22] <xixor> Brustofski-Fan: I found 12.04 to be pretty unstable as well
[02:23] <satyam> I use 12.04 and love it
[02:23] <satyam> I put 12.10 on my laptop but given the difference in hardware haven't notice any performance differences
[02:24] <Brustofski-Fan> from boot to login screen 14 sec
[02:25] <Brustofski-Fan> think 12.04 was like 20 22 sec
[02:25] <satyam> wow, quite a difference
[02:25] <satyam> I'll have to get around to upgrading
[02:26] <Brustofski-Fan> i know... Like windows 8 has about a 10 sec faster boot then win 7 did
[02:26] <Brustofski-Fan> but 12.10 jumped from kernel 3.2 to 3.5
[02:26] <satyam> have you used windows 8
[02:27] <Brustofski-Fan> Yeah.. downloaded file share.. and a activation crack
[02:28] <satyam> What's it like?
[02:29] <sevenhill> satyam: just like all m$ crap useless
[02:29] <satyam> I don't use windows and kind of selfishly hope it sucks, but I'd like to know for sure
[02:30] <satyam> That's what I wanted to hear :)
[02:30] <Brustofski-Fan> Desktop is cleaner.. The metro UI is different... But i download a program.. called start8. That gives the win7 start menu
[02:30] <sevenhill> satyam: they try to make a market store like in android
[02:30] <satyam> My KDE setup right now is the best windowing environment I've had in 20 years.
[02:31] <satyam> They want to lock in people to their $
[02:31] <xixor> satyam: KDE is pretty good, eh?
[02:31] <Brustofski-Fan> Really all i need windows for is adobe photo shop CS5..
[02:31] <xixor> satyam: it's no windows 7, but it's pretty good
[02:32] <sevenhill> Brustofski-Fan: did you try with wine ?
[02:32] <satyam> I use a very old photoshop 7 in wine, and CS3 in virtual box sometimes
[02:33] <satyam> I like KDE much better than windows 7
[02:33] <sevenhill> Brustofski-Fan: by the way do you restart your computer to start ps cs5 or are you using one of virtual machines ?
[02:33] <Brustofski-Fan> Yeah.. about 5 times.. never get it to work... Going to put vbox on in a bit.. then win8 in vbox
[02:33] <satyam> I can do so much more
[02:33] <satyam> Virtual box runs programs very fast these days
[02:34] <satyam> No restart
[02:34] <Brustofski-Fan> I know. only thing i came across with virtual box and windows.. is video play back sucks
[02:35] <sevenhill> i think next version of ps must be work on cloud so they can easily make its client for linux ( most of filter or other craps will do in their cloud servers )
[02:35] <satyam> Interesting idea about ps
[02:35] <genewitc1> how do i tell what video card my system is currently using?
[02:36] <genewitc1> and/or is there better documentation for vgaswitcheroo
[02:37] <satyam> bye
[02:40] <genewitc1> hm
[02:46] <Brustofski-Fan> Now find me a good clean gray theme for the panel
[04:55] <vbgunz> Does anyone know how to shut up Instant Messenger up when it first launches? It somehow feels a need to tell me about 5 times it cannot connect to an account and when I check it, each account is connected. every single time and it's overly annoying :/
[04:56] <OerHeks> to what service, msn messenger?
[04:57] <vbgunz> I think every service, I get about 1 message for every account or atleast the messages pop up on full auto
[04:57] <vbgunz> I'm checking notifications in system settings for instant messenger *but* I believe turning that off will turn off other more important messages that I should probably be made aware of
[04:59] <OerHeks> are you on Kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[04:59] <vbgunz> kubuntu
[05:00] <vbgunz> I just realized I cannot shut down the instant messenger
[05:00] <vbgunz> I'd probably have to kill it but I am having a field day trying to find the proper way to exit it
[05:05] <vbgunz> running xkill and shooting down the instant messenger window results in just chilling and sipping a margarita in my system tray... really?
[05:05] <vbgunz> that's a crazy app
[05:07] <OerHeks> blame msn, i guess, heard it more before.
[06:37] <ghostconn00> hello
[06:57] <Barami> Hello.
[06:58] <Barami> I have a question. Ho w to use ibus in kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:00] <Barami> In the kde, gtk application can input by ibus. but. qt applications cannot input cjk by ibus.
[07:00] <Barami> I had installed ibus-qt.
[07:01] <Barami> What do i do?
[07:03] <sevenhill> could you try this : open konsole then
[07:03] <sevenhill> write : export QT_IM_MODULE=ibus
[07:03] <sevenhill> then start an application for example kate or kwrite
[07:03] <Barami> aleady setted to ibus.
[07:04] <sevenhill> i mean start kwrite in that konsole
[07:04] <sevenhill> because there were a small bug about fetching env before i'm not sure if it fixed or not
[07:05] <Barami> i have tried. But.. don't work.
[07:06] <Barami> only english can input..
[07:08] <sevenhill> could you also try this : export XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
[07:08] <sevenhill> then start kwrite
[07:08] <Barami> ok.
[07:09] <Barami> Hmm.. dont work..
[07:09] <sevenhill> is ibus deamon working background ?
[07:09] <sevenhill> ps -ef | grep ibus
[07:11] <Barami> yes. and ibus icon showed in tray area.
[07:11] <sevenhill> which app are you trying on ?
[07:11] <Barami> kwrite
[07:14] <sevenhill> @Barami : is  ibus-qt4 installed  ?
[07:15] <Barami> yes
[07:16] <Barami> http://i45.tinypic.com/3460w2s.jpg
[07:18] <sevenhill> @Barami : this is for ubuntu but you may try : http://code.google.com/p/ibus/wiki/Ubuntu
[07:20] <Barami> yes.. i tried aleady.
[07:22] <sevenhill> This ? : http://rail02000.blogspot.com/2012/04/kubuntu-1204-beta2ibus.html
[07:22] <Barami> After installed ubuntu-desktop, i installed kubuntu-desktop meta package.
[07:28] <Barami> sevenhill, i cant see those setting page.
[07:28] <Barami> http://oi45.tinypic.com/240y6pv.jpg
[09:16] <giordano> antonio ci sei?
[09:24] <giordano> salve
[11:06] <jahoval> buenos días
[11:07] <jahoval> pues sí que sois habladores por aquí!
[11:07] <jahoval> algún español, por casualidad?
[11:08] <jahoval> o catalán? :-o)))
[11:09] <tsimpson> !es
[11:11] <jahoval> muchas gracias
[11:33] <Marius80> I've got a big problem
[11:33] <Marius80> I installed KDE 4.9.3 from the Backports
[11:34] <Marius80> since I realized, that this version is very buggy,  I would like to downgrade again
[11:34] <Marius80> question:  How do downgrade to the "normal" KDE  version  kubuntu 12.04 has been shipped with?
[11:35] <Peace-> Marius80: mm it's not easy
[11:36] <Peace-> Marius80: you need to ... for example install another DE for example razor-qt or lxde
[11:36] <Peace-> Marius80: then remove all kde stuff
[11:36] <Peace-> Marius80: remove the ppa form your source list
[11:36] <Peace-> Marius80: then reinstall kde from the standard repository
[11:36] <Marius80> Peace-, I just found a posting on a forum
[11:36] <Marius80> only problem is,  that I cannot understand it *LOL*
[11:37] <Marius80> Peace-, they use terms I never heard before
[11:37] <Marius80> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1378709
[11:37] <Marius80> Peace-, actually I do have things like gnome here
[11:37] <Marius80> gnome, icewm,  and trinity desktop
[11:38] <Peace-> Marius80: you have other desktop
[11:38] <Peace-> oh well
[11:39] <Marius80> Peace-, do you know what this guy is talking about?
[11:39] <Marius80> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8650035&postcount=6
[11:40] <Peace-> Marius80: i know
[11:41] <Marius80> Peace-,  can you explain it to me?
[11:41] <Marius80> what is a leader?
[11:41] <Marius80> what is left?
[11:41] <Peace-> Marius80: listen you wanna install your kde yes or not ?
[11:41] <Marius80> yes
[11:41] <Peace-> ok so remove evey kubuntu package cuz you have gnome like secondary DE
[11:42] <Peace-> then remove the ppa
[11:42] <Peace-> then reinstall kubuntu-desktop that's all
[11:42] <Marius80> how will I find out what packages belong to KDE?
[11:43] <Peace-> wait a moment i guess i need to upgrade my page
[11:44] <Marius80> will be back soon
[11:58] <Peace-> Marius80:  do this sudo apt-get install $(apt-cache show kubuntu-desktop | awk '/Depen/ || /Rec/{ gsub(/\,/,"") ;gsub(/Recommends:/,"");gsub(/Depends:/,""); print} ' | awk '{ printf "%s", $0 }')
[11:58] <Peace-> it should work but i am not sure
[11:58] <Peace-> this comamand get the dependeces of kubuntu-desktop package and converts it into a string that apt-get install should read
[12:00] <tsimpson> (hint) you know just about everything KDE related depends on kdelibs5
[12:01] <tsimpson> so removing that should just about remove everything, add autoremove and it should get rid of everything Kubuntu related too
[12:04] <Marius80> Peace-, re
[12:04] <Marius80> Peace-, thank you very much, I will try it out
[12:04] <Peace-> tsimpson: good
[12:05] <Peace-> tsimpson: i was thinkin to release a little bash script called kubuntu-kde-reinstaller
[12:13] <Marius80> other question:  How can I install a package with a broken dependency?
[12:14] <Marius80> there is a software, telling me that it needs a certain package,  but I know,  that this is not true
[12:14] <Marius80> how can I install it anyway?
[12:15] <Peace-> Marius80: You should not install it
[12:15] <Peace-> cuz the package is not well done
[12:15] <Marius80> Peace-, anyway,  how can I ?
[12:15] <Peace-> Marius80: dpkg man google
[12:16] <Marius80> hum?
[12:23] <Peace-> Marius80: 2 link here http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dpkg+force+broken+dependencies
[12:25] <Marius80> Peace-, that was the word ... "force" :)
[12:25] <Marius80> thank you!
[12:26] <Peace-> Marius80: teh force will be with you lol
[12:26] <Marius80> thank you :)
[12:26] <Marius80> I need to go to work now
[12:26] <Marius80> thank you very much!
[12:26] <Marius80> see you soon
[12:34] <xixor> !ppa
[12:34] <xixor> !addppa
[12:34] <xixor> !backports
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:18] <alf_> hola alp1
[13:18] <alp1> hi alf
[13:19] <alf_> quehaces
[13:19] <alp1> hablar contigo
[13:20] <alf_> mandame el pingüino
[13:22] <alf_> si
[13:43] <Lectus> Hi! My microphone is not working on Kubuntu. Can anyone help me?
[13:45] <thelionroars> Lectus, have you tried setting the device priority in System Settings?
[13:47] <Lectus> No
[13:47] <Lectus> where's that?
[13:48] <thelionroars> Click on the Start (K) Menu, the 'System Settings'. Select Multimedia which is under the hardware section
[13:49] <thelionroars> In multimedia, click on 'Phonon' on the left, then click on 'Audio Recording'.
[13:49] <Lectus> Ok
[13:49] <Lectus> there's only one device in the list
[13:50] <thelionroars> are you able to test it?
[13:50] <Lectus> I tested my mic in a recording program... the problem is when I set it to rear mic it works, then it changes automatically back to front mic
[13:50] <Lectus> which doesn't work
[13:51] <thelionroars> strange. Is that after a restart or something
[13:51] <Peace-> Lectus: so it's a proigram problem
[13:51] <Peace-> not a device problem
[13:51] <Lectus> I guess it's something with pulse audio
[13:51] <Lectus> when it was just alsa it used to work
[13:52] <Peace-> Lectus: pulse shoul dnot be the problem
[13:52] <Peace-> anyway you can try with record -o test.wav
[13:52] <Peace-> press CRTL C to stopp
[13:52] <BluesKaj> Lectus, open alsamixer i the terminal , F6 to show all ctrls and make sure the inputs aren't muted (MM) , use the arrowe keys to navigate and the up down keys to increase / decrease the volume
[13:52] <Peace-> then play test.wav
[13:54] <BluesKaj> it's always best to start with alsmixer then setup phonon and pavucontrol (pulseaudio)
[13:54] <Lectus> volumes are fine in alsamixer
[13:54] <BluesKaj> und unmuted ?
[13:54] <Lectus> yes
[13:54] <BluesKaj> and
[13:55] <Lectus> is there a way to make it set rear mic as default?
[13:55] <Lectus> that would solve the problem
[13:55] <BluesKaj> ok , install pavucontrol
[13:55] <Lectus> I already have pavucontrol
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Lectus, then set the imput devices
[13:57] <mrlukeparry> I'm just wondering if anyone know's how I can test the kdevelop 4.4.1 packages
[13:57] <mrlukeparry> I have downloaded them but it says external dependencies aren't met
[13:58] <BluesKaj> mrlukeparry, best to ask in #kubuntu-devel
[13:59] <mrlukeparry> cool thank you
[13:59] <Lectus> strange... using "record" program it says /dev/mixer can't be found
[14:00] <BluesKaj> do you have sound with your audio outputs from amarok or ...?
[14:00] <Lectus> yes
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Lectus,^
[14:00] <Lectus> output is fine
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Lectus, and you're sure your mic inputs are enabled in pavucontrol
[14:01] <Lectus> yes
[14:02] <BluesKaj> what audio chip is loaded in alsamixer?
[14:02] <Lectus> it seems I got it to work now
[14:03] <Lectus> it's set to rear mic in pavucontrol
[14:03] <Lectus> and it isn't changing back to front mic
[14:06] <BluesKaj> my mic experience rather limited , but sometimes a reboot is in order after I/O changes
[14:09] <Lectus> I think I triggered the problem
[14:09] <Lectus> when I set the volume too high of the rear mic
[14:09] <Lectus> it changes automatically to front mic for some reason
[14:10] <BluesKaj> Lectus, what about kmix settings , sometimes they don't follow the changes
[14:13] <Lectus> kmix has the same settings
[14:15] <BluesKaj> anyone else have any suggestions ? but a reboot may be order to make the settings stick
[14:16] <Lectus> I'll try a reboot to see if settings stay in rear mic
[15:09] <Tonberry> is the kde battery plasmoid supposed to have support for more than one battery?
[15:09] <Tonberry> there is a tickbox that seems to do nothing
[15:10] <Tonberry> and quickly looking at the source code seems to show only hardcoded references to Battery0 as a data source
[15:28] <Tonberry> some digging showed that the feature was removed and readded recently so the new code has not made a release yet
[15:47] <uberTaco> hiya folks
[15:47] <uberTaco> I've got a weird one.
[15:48] <uberTaco> So I'm using Kubuntu pretty happily on multiple machines. On this machine in particular (my personal laptop)
[15:48] <uberTaco> qt4 fonts are...unpleasant.
[15:48] <uberTaco> Most particularly, Clementine uses "Abyssinica", size 14. Which is huge.
[15:49] <uberTaco> I know that it's using that font, because that's what it shows in qtconfig every time I launch qtconfig.
[15:49] <uberTaco> I've used qtconfig to adjust fonts, but to no effect. After some googling, I found out about ~/.config/Trolltech.conf and tried manually setting that (no dice), checking its permissions (no good either), and deleting it entirely in case it was corrupted (still no help).
[15:50] <uberTaco> I'm on 12.10, if that makes any impact.
[15:57] <BluesKaj> uberTaco, I have to ask , but have you tried setting the fonts in system settings>app appearance>fonts ? or are you using Font Management in sys settings?
[16:14] <uberTaco> BluesKaj: I've tried using the System Settings config
[16:14] <uberTaco> and it works for most KDE apps
[16:14] <uberTaco> it's just apps that are not-KDE-specific but are QT apps (like for example Clementine)
[16:16] <tsimpson> uberTaco: install qt4-qtconfig and run qtconfig, you should be able to set the default fonts for Qt apps from there
[16:20] <BluesKaj> uberTaco, i didn't run the qtconfig because it couldn't connect o X server on my system , but setting fonts in system settings as root seems to work for clewmentine , kdesudo systemsettings in the krunner
[16:44] <uberTaco> BluesKaj: I'll give it a shot
[16:44] <uberTaco> tsimpson: 10:49:52 uberTaco | I've used qtconfig to adjust fonts, but to no effect.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> uberTaco, in he meantime qtconfig finally did work here as tsimpson suggested ..looks like it will work for you
[16:45] <uberTaco> if only.
[16:45] <uberTaco> that would be easy
[16:46] <BluesKaj> then try the root system settings route
[16:46] <uberTaco> just gave that a shot too
[16:46] <uberTaco> no dice. :\
[16:47] <BluesKaj> reload clementine
[16:47] <uberTaco> okay, I realize I'm in a support channel, but I'm not an idiot. clementine is closed until I test settings each time. Change settings -> Launch Clementine -> Close Clementine GOTO 10
[16:48] <uberTaco> gonna pastebin what my ~/.config/Trolltech.conf looks like after saving changes in qtconfig and then what it looks like after launching qtconfig again
[16:49] <uberTaco> mmkay, here's after saving changes: http://paste.kde.org/609350/
[16:51] <uberTaco> hm. it's staying the same after relaunching qtconfig, but qtconfig is ignoring font settings
[16:51] <uberTaco> and qtconfig doesn't output anything to stdout or stderr either when I launch it from a terminal
[16:51] <uberTaco> so no error messages
[16:53] <kdebooth> Hello
[16:53] <kdebooth>  Can I get some assistance in cleaning up my / drive?
[16:54] <kdebooth> I have 22 mb free
[16:54] <kdebooth> not sure how that happened
[16:56] <uberTaco> kdebooth: start by uninstalling packages you don't need
[16:56] <uberTaco> kdebooth: I'd stay clear of deleting things manually on your / drive, since there could be important stuff in there
[16:57] <bjrohan> Helllppp. For a few weeks i have been recording my desktop with RecordMyDesktop, all has been fine. Today I did a recording and I do not have audio. When I open up Pulse Audio, I get  a response from my webcam  on the input devices. Where may the connection be broken, and how do I remedy it?
[16:58] <uberTaco> kdebooth: in general, "du -d1 -h" (in a terminal) will show you how much space is used by each directory
[16:58] <kdebooth> uberTaco: Suggesions for tracking down stuff I don't need
[16:58] <kdebooth> uberTaco: I use ducks
[16:59] <uberTaco> kdebooth: try this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/debian-linux-remove-unwanted-packages-and-files-to-reclaim-disk-space.html
[16:59] <kdebooth> bjrohan: As in the webcam audio works fine?
[16:59] <uberTaco> ! with caution though !
[16:59] <uberTaco> not you, ubottu.
[16:59] <uberTaco> anyhow, I guess QT just doesn't like me. :\ I've gotta leave
[16:59] <uberTaco> thansk for at least trying, BluesKaj
[17:00] <bjrohan> kdebooth: Yep. and I can play audio from my speakers. Only thing I did was apply an update this morning
[17:01] <BluesKaj> uberTaco, it's difficult to know what users are doing so sometimes suggestions that appear rude really aren't ..spend some time in here and you'll understand :)
[17:01] <kdebooth> He bounced BluesKaj
[17:01] <kdebooth> bjrohan: what was in the update?
[17:02] <BluesKaj> yeah , kdebooth , another quit while trying to reply ...it happens afrequently
[17:02] <bjrohan> kdebooth: I dunno. How do I check?
[17:02] <kdebooth> bjrohan: Apt logs?
[17:04] <bjrohan> kdebooth: looks like gnome-keyring, krdc, kppp, libpam-gnome-keyring, kde-zeroconf, skanlite, kdenetwork-filesharing
[17:04] <bjrohan> my RecordMyDesktop gtk shows audio as default. How do I know if my webcam is set as some kind of default
[17:07] <kdebooth> lookin pulseaudio settings
[17:08] <BluesKaj> bjrohan, also alsamixer mic input settings
[17:09] <bjrohan> I found a solution in Google. Change audio from default to pulse. Not sure why it was working as default for weeks, and now I have to change it
[17:10] <kdebooth> !info deborphan
[17:23] <kdebooth> Hmm
[17:23] <kdebooth> I'm on raring for some reason
[17:43] <BluesKaj> kdebooth, did you run sudo do-release-upgrade -d by any chance ? :)
[17:45] <kdebooth> BluesKaj: looks like I did and cancelled it
[17:45] <kdebooth> I don't think apt-get remove is working
[17:47] <kdebooth> Ok I have 16k of space left now
[17:54] <kdebooth> everytime I delete something i have less space
[17:54] <kdebooth> I have 12k now
[17:54] <kdebooth> I can't tab complete anymore
[17:57] <kdebooth> going to try shutting down the X server
[17:58] <Torch> kdebooth: if you have your home for your user on the same file system as the root file system you'll at some point only be able to login as root
[17:58] <Torch> kdebooth: make sure you know what you're going to do then ;-)
[17:59] <Torch> kdebooth: probably a good idea to have a live CD or memory drive ready
[18:02] <kdebooth> Torch: Different partitions. The ~ partition has 20GB free
[18:03] <kdebooth> Hooray i have 40K free now on /
[18:03] <Torch> ouch....
[18:03] <kdebooth> I can tab complete again :)
[18:03] <Torch> kdebooth: question is what fills up the root partition then
[18:03] <kdebooth> I know I can't find it whatever it is
[18:03] <kdebooth> ate like 7GB and I can't figure out where
[18:03] <kdebooth> and apt-get doesn't work so I can't remove packages
[18:04] <Torch> kdebooth: you could try manually cleaning out /var/cache/apt/archives
[18:04] <Torch> kdebooth: that's just the cache, not the packages, of course
[18:04] <kdebooth> I did already
[18:05] <Torch> installing iotop is not an option if we can't install....
[18:06] <kdebooth> yep
[18:07] <Torch> how bad is /tmp filled up?
[18:07] <Torch> the tab complete thing is fishy, that shouldn't happen when logged in with a regular user
[18:08] <kdebooth> i currently don't have enough space to have a package and it's installed files
[18:08] <kdebooth> Torch: not sure
[18:08] <Torch> what does du -hs /tmp say?
[18:08] <kdebooth> most stuff in /tmp/ I dont' have access to
[18:09] <Torch> as root ;-)
[18:09] <kdebooth> 32k
[18:09] <Torch> ok, that's not it then ;-)
[18:09] <Torch> what about /var/tmp ?
[18:09] <kdebooth> yeah I kinda suspected
[18:10] <kdebooth> 482
[18:10] <kdebooth> Thats significant
[18:10] <Torch> meg?
[18:10] <kdebooth> Thats iptop space
[18:11] <kdebooth> Meg
[18:12] <Torch> i have about the same here so it's not unusual
[18:12] <Torch> also, if you're missing 7 GiB, half a MiB won't save you in the long run
[18:12] <Torch> no, wait, confused.... half a GiB
[18:12] <kdebooth> +Whoopps
[18:13] <kdebooth> almost confused du with dd :)
[18:13] <Torch> ouch ;-)
[18:13] <Torch> though the syntax is different enough to notice
[18:13] <kdebooth> Yeah
[18:13] <kdebooth> dd is obtuse on purpose
[18:14] <kdebooth> Ok so I have KDE shutdown
[18:15] <kdebooth> Can I blow away the kdecache ?
[18:15] <Torch> yes
[18:15] <kdebooth> It should just rebuild it on login right?
[18:15] <Torch> yes, no worries
[18:16] <Torch> you could also symlink /var/tmp to somewhere else, but i wouldn't recommend doing things like that until you get really desperate
[18:16] <kdebooth> ok so I just deleted it and now I have 18 M free
[18:17] <Torch> after restarting KDE?
[18:17] <kdebooth> No
[18:17] <kdebooth> after rm -rf && df -h
[18:17] <Torch> hmm
[18:18] <kdebooth> like before I'd remove something and I'd have less space
[18:18] <Torch> you did try rebooting the machine at some point?
[18:18] <kdebooth> I started out with 252 MB and removing stuff dropped me down to 16k
[18:18] <kdebooth> Yes
[18:18] <kdebooth> this is post reboot
[18:19] <kdebooth> LIke I said somethign is filling it up but I can't find where
[18:19] <kdebooth> at least I have install space now
[18:19] <kdebooth>  lets see if apt-get remove works again
[18:20] <kdebooth> Nope
[18:20] <Torch> what's it say?
[18:20] <kdebooth> It just drops back to the command line instantly
[18:21] <kdebooth> I ran deborphan since /usr/lib is the second biggest dir
[18:21] <kdebooth> after /usr/share/games
[18:21] <kdebooth> It gives me a list of libraries
[18:21] <Torch> what's in /usr/share/games? i don't have it.
[18:22] <kdebooth>  trying to uninstall them doesn't give any feedback it just drops it back to the command line. Running deborphan again gives the same list
[18:22] <kdebooth> Games I would suppose
[18:22] <kdebooth>  Warzone
[18:22] <Torch> did you install any?
[18:22] <kdebooth> which ironically is one of the reasons I upgraded to 12.10 which kicked off this whole thing
[18:23] <dougl> My Kubuntu is being retarded... kmail is sending emails with a reply address of doug@ubuntu - this is not my email address, how/where do I correct this 12.10 feature?
[18:23] <Torch> wouldn't it make sense to remove those games temporarily?
[18:23]  * dougl thinks 12.10 is not ready for prime time.
[18:23] <Torch> dougl: set up your account in kmail, i guess
[18:23] <kdebooth> I could but I can't apt-get remove
[18:23] <Torch> dougl: it's using your login information
[18:24] <kdebooth> and so far doing that results in my having less space when it actually removes rather than more
[18:24] <Torch> kdebooth: but you _can_ move the games directory somewhere else for the time being
[18:24] <kdebooth> Torch: Hmm should
[18:24] <Torch> kdebooth: and move it back once the situation improves
[18:25] <dougl> Torch, that was my guess too - where should I guess next?
[18:25] <kdebooth> runing sudo apt-get update right now
[18:25] <Torch> dougl: i don't understand the question?
[18:26] <kdebooth> Torch: I think he means he checked that already
[18:26] <Torch> dougl: in that case check again ;-)
[18:27] <Torch> dougl: make sure there's only one account and that it's being used for sending mail
[18:27] <kdebooth> 40M
[18:28] <Torch> you might think about installion iotop again, but it will pull in half of python, i think, so 40 MiB might not suffice
[18:28] <kdebooth> moving the games dir
[18:28] <kdebooth> Torch: For a command line program?
[18:28] <Torch> I've got to run errands now, good luck, maybe see you later
[18:29] <Torch> kdebooth: for a complete language including a monster of a framework
[18:29] <dougl> Torch, there is only one outgoing account adn I config'd use custom sender address to my correct e-mail address and it made no difference... outgoing email indicate return e-mail address is doug@ubuntu - how/where do I configure the correct email address?
[18:29] <kdebooth> Whoohoo! Moved 500 Megs of dir and got 200 Megs free
[18:29] <kdebooth> dougl: Oh return e-mail
[18:29] <kdebooth> I set that up somewhere.. I forget where now though
[18:30] <kdebooth> and I have no X server so I can't check
[18:30] <kdebooth> crap it's dropped to 122 Megs now
[18:31] <kdebooth> Im going to uninstall the Xserver and all qt and gtk libs
[18:32] <kdebooth> lets see if it gives me any space
[18:34] <kdebooth> dougl: I would guess it's either in Identity or sending account
[18:34] <dougl> thanks guys I stumbled across it - appreciate the help.
[18:38] <kdebooth> dougl: wher was it?
[18:38] <kdebooth> Seriously? I have 500 Meg free after uninstalling near everything
[18:39] <dougl> kdebooth, in identity under the general tab.
[18:40] <dougl> my home directory is from a 10.10 install that I keep migrating to my new ubuntu installs and some stuff does not work quite rite
[18:42] <kdebooth> dougl: Yeah Identity would have been my first guesss
[18:45] <dougl> kdebooth, I never guess right the first time... I was looking under pop3 crap then smtp area... funny I will install new sound drivers before I check the volume - guess that makes me stupid, no worries tho I got you and Torch . Thanks again for the help :)
[18:50] <kdebooth> dougl: :) just means you'll find the right solution faster than us sometimes
[19:32] <kdebooth> Ok I just counted all my files and there is 5.5 GB of files on a 15 GB partition with 800 megs left free
[19:35] <Tm_T> kdebooth: how did you count?
[19:48] <ptomblin> There are a bunch of reasons for that - 1. files in directories you don't have permission to read, 2. files that have been deleted but some process still have them open, 3. lots of small files - the reported size may be a few bytes, but it really takes up a full block.
[19:56] <kdebooth> Tm_T: du
[19:56] <kdebooth> Tm_T: df has 800 megs free
[19:57] <kdebooth> ptomblin: I was root. I rebooted. Thats a lot of files
[19:58] <ptomblin> Ok, post your df and 'du | sort -n'
[19:58] <ptomblin> (Actually, I think floodbot will get upset unless you use a pastebin instead of posting them)
[20:08] <sgdx> Just installed Kubuntu 12.10 onto /dev/sda
[20:08] <sgdx> have 3 other sata disks, one of which is /dev/sdd1
[20:09] <sgdx> I'd like to mount /dev/sdd1 and use it
[20:09] <sgdx> but created partition using KDE partition editor that came with 12.10
[20:09] <sgdx> it mounts so only root users can write and use it
[20:10] <sgdx> tried udisks --mount /dev/sdd1 but it mounts same so only root users can write
[20:10] <sgdx> what the heck am I missing here? Google has not been all that friendly
[20:13] <kdebooth> ptomblin: What do you want the sort -n on ?
[20:13] <ptomblin> 'du | sort -n'
[20:14] <kdebooth> ptomblin: yes but on / ?
[20:14] <ptomblin> On the partition that you think is wrongly full.
[20:14] <kdebooth> ptomblin: Don't want a du -x ?
[20:14] <ptomblin> If the partition has other partitions mounted below it, then sure.
[20:15] <kdebooth> ok
[20:27] <dougl> I have a samba shared printer connected to my windows machine and when I  print to it from 12.10 kubuntu asks me for a password... printer does not require password so I just click ok and the print job prints - How do I stop kubuntu from asking for a user and password for a  printer that does not require it?
[20:28] <kdebooth> sgdx: Do you have it mounted in fstab
[20:35] <kdebooth> ptomblin: I'm coming this is taking a while
[20:37] <kdebooth> ptomblin: do you mind if I split it into two pastes?
[20:37] <ptomblin> Fine by me.
[20:37] <kdebooth> ok
[20:38] <kdebooth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1366005/
[20:38] <kdebooth> That's the first part let me give you the full output for the second one
[20:42] <kdebooth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1366017/
[20:42] <kdebooth> ptomblin: there you go
[20:44] <kdebooth> ptomblin: the first 16,000 or so files are all 0 size though they shouldn't be
[20:44] <ptomblin> you didn't get any permission errors?
[20:45] <kdebooth> Did it as root
[20:45] <kdebooth> all the commands there are done as root
[20:46] <ptomblin> ok, that's very odd
[20:46] <kdebooth> du -x / | sort -n | pastebinit
[20:46] <kdebooth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1366017/
[20:47] <kdebooth> is the output from the terminal
[20:47] <kdebooth>  Course this machine has been doing strange things like apt-get returning as if it has done something when in fact nothing has been done
[20:47] <kdebooth> a lot of those are from linux-headers
[20:47] <kdebooth> Wonder if I can remove those
[20:48] <ptomblin> YEah, on my system, links like /etc/apt/preferences.d have some small space.
[20:49] <kdebooth> The Dirs should be 4
[20:49] <kdebooth> the hardlinks should be 8
[20:50] <ptomblin> And there's nothing in /var/log?  Something should be shouting at you, either on the stderr or in /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog
[21:00] <kdebooth> not seeing anything jumping out at me
[21:04] <ptomblin> weird.  Have you tried fscking the disk?
[21:05] <ptomblin> "touch /forcefsck" and then reboot.
[21:06] <ptomblin> or just use "shutdown -rF now"
[21:16] <kdebooth> ptomblin: rebooting
[21:28] <kdebooth> It's mounting network filesystems
[21:28] <kdebooth>  I've never setup any network filesystems
[21:37] <kdebooth> yay for bash regex expansion :)
[21:39] <kdebooth> ptomblin: so whats going on?
[21:40] <kdebooth> I'm removing the  linux headers files and it's about a gig of space though it's reading them as 0
[21:40] <ptomblin> With me, or with you?
[21:40] <kdebooth> du reads them as 0
[21:40] <ptomblin> After fsck it's still reading as 0?
[21:40] <kdebooth> removiing them actually frees up space
[21:41] <ptomblin> what does "ls -l" tell you then?
[21:41] <ptomblin> Are the ones that du says are zero length showing as zero length with ls?
[21:48] <kdebooth> yes they are
[21:49] <ptomblin> I'm amazed fsck didn't fix that.  Ok, at this point I'd suggest using smartctl to see if the disk is completely dying, and if not, reformat and reinstall.
[21:49] <ptomblin> Sorry, I wish I could suggest more, but it sounds like the file system is complete corrupt.
[21:51] <ptomblin> ^complete^completely^
[21:52] <ptomblin> I've got to go feed my dogs, so I'm going AFK.  Good luck.
[21:53] <kdebooth> Ok
[21:53] <kdebooth> Running smartctl
[22:07] <kdebooth> might as well start putting together a USB boot drive :)
[23:14] <mint_> hello
[23:14] <TheLordOfTime> olleh
[23:20] <mint_> HARO
[23:22] <artaeun> hi to all
[23:22] <artaeun> would somebody mind giving me a hand with a little problem i've got with booting up kubuntu?
[23:24] <artaeun> anybody?
[23:29] <artaeun> would somebody mind giving me a hand with a little problem i've got with booting up kubuntu?
[23:33] <favelier_> CC
[23:34] <artaeun> would somebody mind giving me a hand with a little problem i've got with booting up kubuntu?
[23:39] <Tygart> artaeun: Please ask your question
[23:39] <Tygart> someone will try and get to it.
[23:41] <artaeun> startx won't start correctly. "no screens detected error". I have an IntelGMA 3600 GPU
[23:41] <artaeun> Tygart: thank you
[23:41] <Tygart> artaeun: :-)
[23:58] <xixor> howdy