[01:51] hello goodmorning [01:52] can i ask a question about customizing kde? or is there a channel for it? [01:52] im new to kde things x.x [02:10] aj041191: sure [02:11] you can have a look at Kubuntu-default-settings which contains modifications [02:12] shadeslayer: where is that located?. i need to install it?. i think i dont understand youre answer =) [02:12] or if you have questions about something you want to configure for yourself, #kde and #kubuntu [02:13] thanks2, #Kubuntu seems no one is answering, they are talking aliens :) [02:13] aj041191: what exactly do you want to customize ? [02:13] http://kde-users.deviantart.com/gallery/37232101#/d5kn7gf [02:13] i know now how to make that like global menu [02:13] but im hearing about this be::shell and bespin [02:13] now i install bespin but what to do with it. [02:14] ok, user support questions in #kubuntu or #kde [02:15] And I woukdnt know, barely do any customizing :) [02:16] haha. thanks anway, i just like a good desktop =) [02:16] gnome is easy to customize x.x [02:18] that sounds like a oxymoron, but I don't want to get into that discussion :P [02:22] why? xD ok ill google that hehe === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [11:59] * apachelogger wonders what a beshell is [12:01] "BE::Shell is a simple desktop shell on KDE technology (namely KIO and Solid) for the rest of us." [12:01] * apachelogger bets 50 euros that it uses qgraphicsfail :P [12:03] do we have a plasma applet that uses konsole? I can't find one === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:03] there is a python one that is a terminal emulator [12:03] dunno about a konsole kpart [12:03] oh, the widget downloader doesn't crash anymore in 4.9.3 \o/ [12:04] Plasmacon is a terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology (uses libkonsolepart). - that looks kinda nice [12:04] oh lol [12:04] beshell does appear to use qwidgets [12:04] heh [12:05] * apachelogger fears for his sanity [12:08] I wanted nothing more than to finish kubuntu-settings and now I am reading codez I did not know about 10 minutes ago -.- [12:10] looks like (yet) another "I want a Mac, but don't have a gazillian monies" thing [12:11] yeah [12:11] well [12:11] no [12:11] while it is from the bespin/whateverspinoff dude this thing actually is semi-sane [12:11] i.e. there is nothing wrong with using qwidgets [12:15] I mean more aesthetically [12:15] there is no such thing [12:15] and yes, qwidgets are much nicer than the insanity of graphics-whatever [12:16] be::shell relies on the user to come up with a config and css [12:16] from the screenshots posted [12:16] I presume you can make it pink ;) [12:19] tsimpson: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/18/plasma-desktopYM5541.png [12:19] that's what it actually looks like [12:20] not the authors fault that users make shit always look like osx for some reason :P [12:20] I was mostly going off http://sourceforge.net/p/be-shell/discussion/showroom/thread/b7f99467/ [12:21] as I said, it's just how that particular invidual chose to theme the shell ;) [12:22] I have to say, there's a part of me that would be quite happy with nothing but a context menu on the desktop [12:23] use fluxbos [12:23] fluxbox [12:23] also a word of advise: do not try beshell [12:23] my plasma found out that I am seeing something else [12:24] now I have 4 panels [12:24] ontop of each other [12:24] and there is the crash [12:24] * apachelogger sighs [12:25] I did use fluxbox a while back, but then I start to miss launchers. I'm one of those people who can't make up their minds [12:25] or rather it changes based on my mood [12:25] * apachelogger likes to use konsole [12:27] I do take yakuake to whatever DE I'm using [12:27] it's the first thing I install [12:29] I could live with ttys alone if there were sensible audio players :P [12:37] debfx, Riddell, shadeslayer, Quintasan: if you don't reply to the 'kubuntu-settings restructuring' thread I'll go ahead and break it [12:46] https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings [12:47] ready for upload except for possible dep changes etc. [14:49] Hey all [19:43] apachelogger: looking [19:43] or lemme know if you broke it already === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [19:55] agateau: ping [19:56] apachelogger: ping [19:57] yes? [19:58] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/609992 [19:58] Is this even remotely dep-5 compatible [19:58] * Quintasan wonder is he actually has to care about dep-5 compatibility [19:58] who would know what with there not being a sensible parser and all that :P [19:59] Wait. [19:59] So you mean there is no dep-5 parser at this point in time? [19:59] have not seen one [19:59] it's spec compliant though [20:00] apachelogger: so it's good according to the specs? [20:00] Good. [20:00] hm, lintian has some limited dep-5 parsing support [20:00] looks fine though [20:00] * Quintasan wonders why introduce dep-5 if you have no parsing for it [20:01] It's like, useless now [20:02] yofel,apachelogger: symbols are needed only for libs that export public fuctions, right? [20:02] * Quintasan has no idea how to determine whether library does that or not [20:03] every library does that [20:03] uhm, if it doesn't have anything public you won't have any public symbols either... [20:03] there are only public interfaces [20:04] * yofel is in weekend-leathargy mode and has his brain on powersave [20:04] SO [20:04] how the hell do I know that about homerun? [20:04] does it ship headers? [20:04] if there are no headers, nothing will link against the lib and you don't need a symbol file [20:04] some [20:04] usr/include/homerun/abstractsource.h [20:04] usr/include/homerun/homerun_export.h [20:04] usr/include/homerun/pathmodel.h [20:04] usr/include/homerun/sourceconfigurationwidget.h [20:04] that there is a much saner policy ... every library that has header files associated with it needs to have a symbols file ;) [20:05] homerun_export.h -> you can't get anymore public than that [20:05] yofel: that is technically a false statement [20:05] well, I meant nothing not from the same package... [20:05] AFAIR pdebuild should yield something about missing symbols file but I didn't get that [20:05] e.g. qt has api that is not in an installed header but comprises interfaces that an application having the headers will be able to link against [20:06] that what qtcreator does [20:06] ... fun [20:06] yofel: Your definiton of "fun" is definitely weird [20:06] :P [20:06] well, I know I'm weird. I like things that don't work :P [20:07] I like things that work after you kick them [20:09] yofel, apachelogger: should I use pkgkde-gensymbols magic or just use dpkg-gensymbols? [20:10] if it's c++ use pkgkde [20:11] yay for homerun [20:36] apachelogger, yofel: dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/homerun_0.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc [20:36] I need review [20:45] Quintasan: can you please add a comment to override_dh_auto_test so whoever looks at the package in a year from now still knows why they're disabled? [20:46] and maybe put the libs into the libs section [20:46] looks fine otherwise [20:48] yofel: Like adding Section: libs to the binary packages or put the whole source package into libs? [20:49] the former (the libs should be in libs, the plasma widget in kde, not sure about the source) [20:55] Quintasan: don't forget to send me a merge request for the homerun daily packages [20:56] sure [20:56] will upload somewhere to LP [21:08] shadeslayer: uhh, I can't branch https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/homerun/packaging for some reason, want me to bzr init my packaging, upload it to my lp space and request a merge? [21:09] bzr branch lp:~blue-shell/homerun/packaging doesn't work ? [21:10] odd ... [21:11] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [21:11] ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying [21:11] ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host [21:11] bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist. [21:11] whaaa ... [21:12] Quintasan: nevermind then, will check your package later then [21:12] yofel: I fixed the things you mentioned, uploading to raring [21:13] \o/ [21:13] better testbuild once again [21:17] yofel, shadeslayer: uploaded to raring-proposed, the bug #1078889 should get closed automagically soon [21:17] Launchpad bug 1078889 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] homerun" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1078889 [21:17] why -proposed? [21:17] kool [21:18] yofel: That's how raring works [21:18] but you didn't really put that into the changelog, right? [21:18] First it goes to proposed then is copied to raring AFAIR [21:18] ofc I did not :P [21:18] ok, then I just misunderstood ;) [21:22] (note that the bug is only closed when it's published in RELEASE)