| xixor | BluesKaj: we were discussing streaming media over samba shares the other day. I came across this blog post just now: http://www.jfdesignnet.com/?p=1281 has some info. Apparently kio fallsback to copying the file instead of using the remote URL in certain instances: http://www.jfdesignnet.com/?p=1281 | 00:15 |
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| unheeding | does anyone else use KDE? | 00:45 |
| almoxarife | unheeding: yes | 00:49 |
| unheeding | yay | 00:53 |
| unheeding | friends! | 00:53 |
| nawaal | hi | 00:58 |
| nawaal | how do you install gnumed | 00:58 |
| nawaal | on ubuntu | 00:58 |
| nawaal | including postgresql | 00:59 |
| nawaal | anyone who can guide please | 00:59 |
| CruX| | hello when I'm logged into system on local machine in kde i have plastik style | 01:01 |
| CruX| | when I start konsole from remote machine (via ssh -X) i am in oxygen | 01:01 |
| CruX| | why ? | 01:01 |
| CruX| | what needs to be changed to have plastik style from everywhere ? | 01:01 |
| unheeding | has anyone had success with installing the KFaenza icons? | 01:09 |
| xixor | unheeding: I was able to install it directly from the System Settings->Application Appearance->Icons page | 01:13 |
| xixor | unheeding: it took a few minutes to install/download, I kept the dialog open until it was finished, seems to work fine. I'm on KDE 4.9.3 | 01:14 |
| unheeding | did you use the .tar.gz file? | 01:14 |
| xixor | no | 01:15 |
| xixor | I downloaded and installed it directly from application appearance->Icons->Get New Themes. T yped Kfaenza into the search box, and selected the latest version | 01:15 |
| unheeding | ohhh! | 01:16 |
| xixor | I don't know how to install icon themes manually | 01:16 |
| unheeding | good call mate | 01:16 |
| unheeding | i was trying to use the ./INSTALL file but it kept coming up with errors | 01:16 |
| unheeding | thanks xixor | 01:19 |
| calcmandan | hi folks | 01:27 |
| unheeding | hello calcmandan! | 01:29 |
| xixor | hi | 01:29 |
| calcmandan | how goes it? | 01:29 |
| xixor | unheeding: a lot of KDE themes/styles and such can be downloaded and installed directly from system settings | 01:29 |
| unheeding | i had to compile one, have you tried Chromi? | 01:29 |
| xixor | no | 01:30 |
| unheeding | http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Chromi?content=119069 check out the screenshot, it's a really neat idea | 01:30 |
| xixor | unheeding: hm... that does look neat | 01:31 |
| xixor | unheeding: here is my kde desktop: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/18/snapshot1.png | 01:31 |
| unheeding | nice | 01:32 |
| unheeding | too dark for my taste, but cool nonetheless | 01:33 |
| unheeding | here's mine: http://i.imgur.com/raexy.png | 01:36 |
| xixor | I spent an evening tweaking with KDE, now I don't really want to mess with it anymore... it works well enoyugh | 01:37 |
| xixor | unheeding: looks cool, I like the icons. Whic irc client? | 01:37 |
| unheeding | that's Quassel, comes standard on Kubuntu | 01:38 |
| Obsidian1723 | nice | 01:38 |
| unheeding | brb, have to restart for some driver stuff | 01:39 |
| Obsidian1723 | xixor: here's mine http://i.imgur.com/U7ZDX.jpg | 01:40 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: cool | 01:40 |
| Obsidian1723 | I run a dual monitor setup btw | 01:40 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: what is that greenlight/redlight widget? | 01:40 |
| Obsidian1723 | It's for monitoring | 01:41 |
| Obsidian1723 | One of many such things I have going. | 01:41 |
| xixor | use the system monitor on a hidden panel on the right-most side of the screen | 01:43 |
| Obsidian1723 | I just have all of my monitoring stuff on one of my 4 virtual desktops | 01:43 |
| xixor | ah, I see | 01:44 |
| xixor | so what do you monitor? | 01:44 |
| Obsidian1723 | logs, packet datagrams, processes, ports | 01:44 |
| xixor | I don't monitor anything | 01:45 |
| xixor | I haven't found plasmoids and widgets to be especially stable | 01:46 |
| Obsidian1723 | mine seem to be. | 01:47 |
| Obsidian1723 | sysklogd is a nice tool for monitoring with. | 01:48 |
| xixor | That just watches logfiles and emails you or something, doesn't it? | 01:48 |
| Obsidian1723 | yeah | 01:49 |
| xixor | I run a debian server, I used to have a bunch of automatic tools for watching the log files installed that would email me on every ssh failed auth attempt, etc | 01:49 |
| xixor | eventually, I just disabled them | 01:49 |
| Obsidian1723 | well, if you aren't going to watch logs, verify info, no point in monitoring. | 01:50 |
| Obsidian1723 | Hopefully you didnt leave ssh on port 22. | 01:50 |
| xixor | lol, of course I did | 01:50 |
| Obsidian1723 | Just moving that port will save a lot of hassles. | 01:50 |
| xixor | changing the default ssh port is just security theater | 01:52 |
| vbgunz | anyone know why smplayer will not automatically move on to the next item in the playlist? | 01:52 |
| aj041191 | hello im a new kde user and i would like to get help on how to achieve this setup? | 01:58 |
| aj041191 | http://kde-users.deviantart.com/gallery/37232101#/d5kn7gf | 01:58 |
| aj041191 | =)) | 01:58 |
| aj041191 | what i mean is the global menu | 01:59 |
| unheeding | it's a widget, called "Window Menubar" | 01:59 |
| aj041191 | i see, what about this "be::shell" the are talking? | 02:00 |
| aj041191 | im searching for it but to know avail, i dont know how to compile sources, do i need to? | 02:01 |
| aj041191 | and also this bespin | 02:01 |
| Obsidian1723 | xixor: I would disagree. | 02:02 |
| Obsidian1723 | Security theater is taking off your shoes at the airport, which really does nothing to help make you secure. Moving the ssh port in and of itself does not make you secure either, however, if you monitor ssh both before and after moving the port off of 22, you will see a lot less traffic hitting on it after the port move. I cannot say the same real world demonstartion can be said about shoe removal. | 02:04 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: Yes, but seeing attempts on port 22 isn't a big deal | 02:04 |
| Obsidian1723 | Moving the port alone is not enough, but it is a huge start | 02:04 |
| Obsidian1723 | xixor: Anytime someone probes a machine or attempts to gai naccess, I see it as a threat and a problem. | 02:05 |
| xixor | You've eliminated the users who can't use nmap. Those "hackers" wouldn't have been able to get in your box anyway. A simple nmap is going to determine the new ssh port. Your system isn't any more secure than it was before | 02:05 |
| Obsidian1723 | Again, that's part of it. Using portknockd helps, limiting what users can assh in helps, setting up throttling in iptables and ip6tables helps, using properly configured daemons like denyhosts and fail2ban helps, likewise with a good demarc protection. | 02:06 |
| xixor | In the security theater analogy, it's the equivalent of taking away nail trimmers at the Xray scanner | 02:06 |
| xixor | Your patting yourself on the back for eliminating a non-threat | 02:07 |
| Obsidian1723 | If you use portknockd, the port won't show as open unless you send the proper sequence to it. | 02:07 |
| xixor | sure, I would agree with that | 02:07 |
| Obsidian1723 | xixor: to each their own opinion, but no back patting going on here... you consider it a non-threat if someone probes your machine, I consider that a threat. Different mindset between us. | 02:08 |
| xixor | any machine on the internet is going to be probed | 02:08 |
| Obsidian1723 | Someone goes probing around my house, I consider that a threat too.. | 02:08 |
| Obsidian1723 | and I likewise have protection there as well. | 02:09 |
| xixor | I used to run portknockd, used to change the default ssh port, and a variety of things | 02:10 |
| xixor | end of the day, I didn't feel anymore secure for the amount of hastle | 02:10 |
| Obsidian1723 | If security was easy, then it really wouldn't be security. | 02:11 |
| xixor | I didn't feel like my security was increased. ssh isn't a common vector for intrusion | 02:11 |
| xixor | when you're running a public facing web/sql server and other network services | 02:11 |
| Obsidian1723 | and security isn't just a piece of hardware, software, or configuration, it's a way of living, thinking, acting, and being on a 24x7x365 basis. | 02:11 |
| Obsidian1723 | Well, on every box I've come across running ssh on 22, they are getting naikled pretty hard. I'd say that it's proetty common. Maybe not as common as say port 25 for mail relays, but common enough to warrant changing it along with some other measures. | 02:12 |
| Obsidian1723 | and when you are running a pubically-known and accessed box like a web server, all the MORE reason to secure it vs a home client pc. | 02:13 |
| xixor | those machines are still getting hammered on other ports | 02:13 |
| Obsidian1723 | Well, the least amount they can get hammered on, the better. | 02:14 |
| xixor | seeing a failed root login attempt on port 22 on ssh, sure, it looks alarming | 02:14 |
| Obsidian1723 | Ive seen a lot more than that... | 02:14 |
| xixor | they're still getting hammered though | 02:14 |
| xixor | you're just not seeing it in the logs | 02:14 |
| Obsidian1723 | Well, I have my box to drop packets not reject them, so they can try to hammer, but nothing will happen if the box doesn't respond to it. | 02:15 |
| xixor | yes | 02:15 |
| xixor | I think I had it set to block all traffic from that IP after 10 incorrect logins or something like that | 02:16 |
| Obsidian1723 | I do monitor that too btw. | 02:16 |
| Obsidian1723 | So I do see dropped packets. | 02:16 |
| xixor | my website, www.xixor.net, demands the strictest of security protocols | 02:16 |
| Obsidian1723 | I have mine tighter than that, but yeah, throttling helps. | 02:16 |
| Obsidian1723 | You're running STIG? | 02:17 |
| xixor | STIG? | 02:17 |
| === unheeding is now known as pinkie_pie | ||
| Obsidian1723 | yeah, it's a security implementation. | 02:17 |
| xixor | no | 02:17 |
| Obsidian1723 | http://iase.disa.mil/stigs/ | 02:17 |
| xixor | I haven't been that rigorous with security for a few years | 02:17 |
| Obsidian1723 | hehe I have. My last job was with a defense contractor. I just let the company for another one in the IT Security field. | 02:18 |
| xixor | is this one of those network scanners that automatically tries a bunch of the common exploits on your system, and keeps a database of them? | 02:18 |
| xixor | cool | 02:18 |
| Obsidian1723 | Yeah, fun times having federal agents investigate you all the time. whooo hoo | 02:19 |
| Obsidian1723 | I won't miss that. | 02:20 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: well, that sounds pretty intense. Definitely outside the range of security experience I have had | 02:28 |
| Obsidian1723 | yeah its beyond what most people deal with, but it';s made me extra anal about security as well. | 02:29 |
| Obsidian1723 | Usually the less one knows about security, the more secure they feel, but the less they really are. I'm not saying that about you, but about people in general. When one understands it, they go down the rabbit hole and see all of the flaws, realizing nothing is ever 100% secure, just more securable than other things are. | 02:31 |
| Obsidian1723 | It's why I refuse to use a lot of technologies people use. If I didn't have to have a cell phone, I wouldn't. | 02:31 |
| Obsidian1723 | I don't do or use any social media, texting, no Internet access on my cell phone, no facebook, twitter, four square, linked in, myspace, etc. | 02:32 |
| xixor | I'm security concious, I think I'm more security aware than most linux users. I've deployed some clusters, and read about linux security quite a bit. I use social networking and online services, usually sign up with a secondary email address, and a fake birthdate | 02:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | but you do it from the same machine that you do other stuff on? | 02:35 |
| xixor | sure | 02:35 |
| xixor | my resources are limited | 02:35 |
| Obsidian1723 | do you login to facebook and leave it open while you brose the web? | 02:36 |
| xixor | probably | 02:36 |
| Obsidian1723 | well, one way to better protect yourself would be to setup a VM and do all of that stuff from there. | 02:36 |
| xixor | and then I notice that some news site wants me to comment from my facebook profile, so then I logoff | 02:36 |
| Obsidian1723 | If you browse the web while using facebook, they track it. | 02:36 |
| xixor | sure, they track it | 02:39 |
| xixor | how else will they know how to give me advertisements that I want to see? | 02:39 |
| xixor | what am I, supposed to look at advertisements that are drawn from a statistical likelihood model of what I might like? | 02:40 |
| xixor | aj041191: try yakuake | 02:40 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: I will repeat what I just said | 02:41 |
| xixor | sure, they track it | 02:41 |
| xixor | how else will they know how to give me advertisements that I want to see? | 02:41 |
| xixor | what am I, supposed to look at advertisements that are drawn from a statistical likelihood model of what I might like? | 02:41 |
| Obsidian1723 | hehe avoid advertisments? | 02:42 |
| xixor | I have an ethical objection to that | 02:42 |
| xixor | the alternative is for online content sources to go to a subscription model, which I'd rather not have | 02:44 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: what do you do now? | 02:48 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: if you can disclose the details without having to kill me | 02:48 |
| Obsidian1723 | I work for a VAR, in the IT Sec field. | 02:54 |
| xixor | cool | 02:54 |
| xixor | I work for myself, doing geoscience consulting, programming, R&D | 02:55 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: I do a lot of high performance scientific computing.. I cut my security teeth setting up and securing small linux "beowolf" style clusters for solving geoscience problems | 02:59 |
| xixor | back in the 1999-2002 days when everything was "beowolf" this, and "beowolf" that | 02:59 |
| Obsidian1723 | right on. I remember. | 03:00 |
| xixor | but I was self-taught, and the computers were fairly low-risk... low-risk in the sense that, it wasn't defense/government/corporate secrets on them | 03:02 |
| xixor | just a bunch of geoscience data | 03:02 |
| xixor | and by geoscience data, I mean, absolutely raw geoscience data. Measurements of electromagnetic fields measured somewhere in the world. Even the people who collect them have trouble figuring them out. The value to someone stealing them is nill. | 03:02 |
| Obsidian1723 | right on.. soundsx like good stuff | 03:03 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: yeah. I write HPC computing codes, developing new and innovative algorithms for finding mineral deposits. http://www.xixor.net/shot1.png | 03:04 |
| xixor | Obsidian1723: here is a screenshot I like, of a "small" problem, 12 threads at 100% on a dual-hexcore machie, only 16Gb of ram allocated | 03:04 |
| Obsidian1723 | right on.... | 03:05 |
| Obsidian1723 | everyone has their areas of expertise eh? | 03:05 |
| xixor | yes | 03:06 |
| xixor | I would like to run my own secure mail server | 03:07 |
| xixor | I've used linux for 16 years now, and mail server administration seems like the only thing that hasn't improved in that time | 03:07 |
| Obsidian1723 | yeah, I started back in 1996 using Linux, but 1978 for using PCs in general. | 03:08 |
| xixor | Cool. I'm 31. Started linux in 1996/97 with redhat, but quickly moved to debian. Started programming in 94 with Turbo Pascal, 95/96 started programming in C/C++. Started using computers with commodore 64s at about 86 | 03:09 |
| xixor | What were the pre-80's PCs like? | 03:09 |
| xixor | Commodore 64's and Appple IIe's are about the first computers I can remember | 03:10 |
| Daz646 | Hello everyone, having a little issue with flash player when on youtube. I seem to crash mostly when using full screen mode. | 03:13 |
| Daz646 | Anybody else getting this issue? | 03:13 |
| xixor | Daz646: I have trouble with full screen flash videos as well | 03:18 |
| xixor | Daz646: I'm using google chrome. It doesn't crash, but it won't play them full screen | 03:19 |
| xixor | Daz646: If it makes you feel any better, almost everyone on linux, and MacOSX has problems with flash. | 03:19 |
| Daz646 | xixor: with chrome i think the picture just freezes? | 03:19 |
| xixor | Daz646: yes, exactly, just freezes | 03:19 |
| Daz646 | xixor: on mozilla it plays for a while then freezes | 03:19 |
| xixor | Daz646: flash is an inferior technology. The sooner we put the energy of getting flash to work various places into replacing flash, the better | 03:20 |
| Daz646 | xixor: i purged and then reinstalled and that sorted the issue out for a day but now back to normal. | 03:20 |
| Daz646 | xixor: Ok, im not complaining i went to linux from windows for a reason :) | 03:20 |
| xixor | flash videos look like shit anyway, does going full screen gain you anything? | 03:20 |
| Daz646 | xixor: Yeah depending on which monitor i use. 1080p looks a bit off but 720 is fine. | 03:21 |
| Daz646 | xixor: i sit a bit far back sometimes aswell. | 03:22 |
| xixor | hm.. yes, and flash videos don't resize as you make the browser bigger | 03:22 |
| Daz646 | Its no biggie i can enlarge the video | 03:24 |
| Daz646 | thanks anyway for the help i thought it was something to do with my settings etc first. | 03:24 |
| ablyss | how to make the icons bigger on the dolphin side panel | 03:32 |
| === pinkie_pie is now known as unheeding | ||
| IdleOne | I am getting constant crash reports for akondi_maildispatch_agent every 5 minutes or so on a fresh install of kubuntu 12.04.1 | 05:02 |
| IdleOne | Any hints on how I make it? | 05:02 |
| IdleOne | make it stop* | 05:02 |
| OerHeks | IdleOne, edit ~/.config/akonadi/aknoadiserverrc and changed "StartServer=true" to "StartServer=false", logout & back in would do >> answer from ajstone http://forum.kde.nl/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=97385 | 05:08 |
| OerHeks | oh wrong, that file does not exist | 05:11 |
| IdleOne | This is very annoying, I keep getting a crash report window every 5 minutes or so | 05:12 |
| OerHeks | oke the file akonadiserverrc should be there, in ~.config/akonadi/ | 05:17 |
| OerHeks | just wondering why it wouldn' open on my side :( | 05:17 |
| OerHeks | ah | 05:17 |
| IdleOne | not sure but I just tried http://forum.kde.nl/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=97385#p206223 . Going to wait 5-10 minutes and see if that helps | 05:17 |
| OerHeks | not akno but ako | 05:17 |
| IdleOne | OerHeks: thank you for helping :) | 05:18 |
| OerHeks | Should that service not restart? | 05:18 |
| OerHeks | or does it auto accept new config? | 05:18 |
| IdleOne | the service will continue to restart apparently | 05:18 |
| IdleOne | I am not even certain of what akonadi does | 05:19 |
| OerHeks | Oke, i learned something too, thank you | 05:19 |
| Daskreech | IdleOne: waht's going on? | 05:20 |
| OerHeks | full: The Akonadi framework is responsible for providing applications with a centralized database to store, index and retrieve the user's personal information. This includes the user's emails, contacts, calendars, events, journals, alarms, notes, etc. | 05:20 |
| IdleOne | Daskreech: I am getting constant crash reports for akondi_maildispatch_agent every 5 minutes or so on a fresh install of kubuntu 12.04.1 | 05:20 |
| IdleOne | OerHeks: I tried the solution you suggested. | 05:22 |
| IdleOne | hopefully it will stop driving me crazy now :) | 05:22 |
| IdleOne | I tried the solution you suggested also* | 05:22 |
| OerHeks | Will it stop all error notifications, also the wanted? | 05:22 |
| IdleOne | OerHeks: no idea | 05:23 |
| IdleOne | OerHeks: Daskreech Bug report if it might be useful to help me https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=310274 | 05:29 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 310274 in Mail Dispatcher Agent "akonadi_maildispatcher_agent continually crashes" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 05:29 |
| Daskreech | IdleOne: That's what you are seeing? | 05:30 |
| IdleOne | yes | 05:30 |
| IdleOne | that is my bug report | 05:30 |
| OerHeks | looks equal to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309970 | 05:31 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 309970 in Mail Filter Agent "Akonadi problem" [Crash,Unconfirmed] | 05:31 |
| IdleOne | 30097 seems to be akonadi_mailfilter_agent | 05:33 |
| IdleOne | they are probably both related somehow | 05:33 |
| skreech_ | IdleOne: Do you have debugging packages installed? | 05:35 |
| IdleOne | skreech_: yes. | 05:36 |
| skreech_ | Ok just checking | 05:36 |
| IdleOne | hah, you came out of nowhere' | 05:37 |
| IdleOne | lol I just made the connection | 05:38 |
| OerHeks | :-D | 05:38 |
| IdleOne | think it might be time to sleep | 05:38 |
| skreech_ | Oh my net drops randomly | 05:38 |
| skreech_ | Forces a name change here | 05:38 |
| * gnomefreak pours some bourbon on rocks and watches all the bugs on KDE :) | 05:38 | |
| skreech_ | Always thought it was amusing that binoculars were part of the standard icons with Bug tracking software | 05:39 |
| gnomefreak | there is? | 05:40 |
| skreech_ | most of the time yeah | 05:40 |
| gnomefreak | never noticed it before | 05:40 |
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| === bob_ is now known as i_am_null | ||
| skreech_ | KDE still has bugs in it but nothing like the Glory bonfire days :) | 05:41 |
| === skreech_ is now known as Daskreech | ||
| Daskreech | Back in KDE 3.97.x when you poured a glass of scotch just cause it booted :) | 05:42 |
| Daskreech | Or KDE 4.0 to 4.2 when alt-tabbing would crash the kernel | 05:43 |
| Daskreech | no wait it was the Xserver | 05:44 |
| Daskreech | I think ssh still worked if you alt-tabbed | 05:44 |
| * Daskreech hugs His_Dog | 05:56 | |
| LulzPirate | hey | 07:32 |
| Daskreech | hi | 07:38 |
| simplew | anyone that can help with launchpad? | 07:41 |
| Daskreech | simplew: such as? | 08:00 |
| ManDay | Which is a Video VoIP SIP Client for Kubuntu? | 08:40 |
| Alarm | hello , i got a weak signal on my realtek 8187 wireless. i thought of manually installing the drivers from realtek . i saw on their website that the drivers are for kernels Linux driver for Kernel 3.0.0/3.1.0/3.2.0. i have a kernel version 3.5 , would that be a problem ? | 09:45 |
| === david is now known as Guest7948 | ||
| walex | Alarm: try it and see. | 09:49 |
| Alarm | my question is mainly if i can damage my os with that or if i can easily roll back | 09:50 |
| Torch | Alarm: this can seriously damage your installation especially if you're unexperienced with kernel modules and drivers under linux | 10:10 |
| Torch | Alarm: so unless you know exactly what you're doing, don't do it ;-) | 10:10 |
| Alarm | well i don't but someone has to fix it :D | 10:11 |
| Torch | Alarm: what? | 10:11 |
| Alarm | i don't really know what i am doing, i will read some installation instructions how to do it . | 10:12 |
| Torch | Alarm: if the code provided by realtek or whoever only works for 3.0.x, this will get messy | 10:12 |
| Torch | (it _might_ just work, but it's unlikely) | 10:13 |
| Alarm | i see | 10:13 |
| Torch | Alarm: imho it's also advisable to not build and install kernel modules manually if it can be avoided in general. makes for a cleaner system and easier updates. | 10:14 |
| Alarm | i just try to find a solution with the realtek chipset . my signal reception seems like 50% lower than on windows, i also see the download rates being redeculous , something like 5-10kb/s | 10:15 |
| Alarm | many bug reports available on web , but no standard or clear solution | 10:16 |
| Torch | Alarm: maybe there is none | 10:16 |
| Alarm | :/ | 10:17 |
| Torch | Alarm: complain to realtek about it | 10:17 |
| Torch | Alarm: but i'm just guessing here, i have absolutely no idea about this card or this driver or how well it works | 10:18 |
| Alarm | its ok, i will make a small research on the web if i can find something. if not unfortunately i have to boot again in windows to work properly | 10:19 |
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| * genii sippity-sips | 12:20 | |
| ManDay | Please recommend a Video SIP Application | 12:20 |
| genii | !info linphone | ManDay | 12:22 |
| ubottu | ManDay: linphone (source: linphone): SIP softphone - graphical client. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.5.2-10 (quantal), package size 75 kB, installed size 244 kB | 12:22 |
| ManDay | genii: I take that as an answer to my question, i.e. a _recommendation_ ;) Thank you | 12:24 |
| avihay | anyone changed to lightDM after the recent package update? (12.04) for some reason it took a while to change from KDM to lightDM for me, also, no obvious keyboard control, and it doesn't remember my username | 12:48 |
| avihay | well, I changed the layout, that will hopefully solve the issue of remembering my username | 12:54 |
| genii | avihay: You can also just take a picture of yourself and put it in your home directory with the filename of .face, it should appear in the lightdm-kde-greeter | 12:58 |
| avihay | ahh, I don't like looking at pictures of myself | 12:59 |
| avihay | keyboard only usability is more concerning for me | 12:59 |
| genii | avihay: Do you have just lightdm installed, or the lightdm-kde-greeter ? | 13:01 |
| avihay | I guess it's the latter, I had the kcm installed for me and all | 13:02 |
| avihay | I'll check | 13:03 |
| avihay | ya, it's installed | 13:03 |
| avihay | well, qml creator is no real help, so is plasmate... I need kate and the docs infront of me to add tab key support | 13:19 |
| ManDay | Does anyone have VoIP with Video running? | 13:20 |
| phoenix_firebrd | hello everyone | 13:22 |
| avihay | ManDay: if you find a SIP solution that work, be so kind as to drop me a line please | 13:22 |
| avihay | works* | 13:22 |
| ManDay | avihay: ok | 13:23 |
| === Vito_away is now known as Vito | ||
| === ubuntu is now known as Guest97726 | ||
| bismal | Кто есть здесь? | 13:59 |
| phoenix_firebrd | !russian | 14:00 |
| ubottu | Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. | 14:00 |
| bismal | Hello! From? | 14:01 |
| phoenix_firebrd | bismal: hi | 14:02 |
| * OerHeks is typing from kubuntu | 14:02 | |
| phoenix_firebrd | OerHeks: hi | 14:03 |
| bismal | I'm sorry I do not speak, are you from? | 14:05 |
| === beppe is now known as beppe__ | ||
| === beppe__ is now known as beppe | ||
| bismal | It generally is anyone else? Or am I alone here? | 14:07 |
| phoenix_firebrd | bismal: You want help? | 14:07 |
| bismal | <phoenix_firebrd> What? Most of all I Nouzha some help! I've signed up and have not yet dokontsa understand what's what! | 14:10 |
| phoenix_firebrd | bismal: did you try in #ubuntu-ru channel? | 14:10 |
| bismal | many thanks | 14:13 |
| phoenix_firebrd | bismal: welcome | 14:15 |
| bismal | Only one problem here, there is no one has ( | 14:17 |
| bismal | Where are you from? | 14:18 |
| phoenix_firebrd | bismal: I can't tell you that | 14:19 |
| phoenix_firebrd | bismal: If you want to chat goto #kubuntu-offtopic channel | 14:19 |
| bismal | try | 14:20 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 14:49 |
| === forlornhope is now known as Forlornhope22 | ||
| dougl | hey BluesKaj - how are you? | 16:03 |
| BluesKaj | fine thanks dougl , and you ? | 16:04 |
| dougl | very well - thanks for asking :) | 16:04 |
| dougl | pretty quiet in here... I don't have anything timestamped so not sure if chat was recent or not. | 16:05 |
| * dougl still has 404 errors in sources list and k-mail has 2 of every folder containing identical emails in both sets of folders. | 16:07 | |
| TheLordOfTime | dougl, the sources.list 404s mean the PPA is not supporting the given OS or something, but that's usually dependent on the 404s. | 16:08 |
| dougl | TheLordOfTime, ok, thanks - hard to correct? | 16:09 |
| TheLordOfTime | dougl, depends. pastebin the complete output including errors, i'll take a look | 16:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | (usually easy to fix though) | 16:11 |
| TheLordOfTime | (depending on the issues) | 16:11 |
| dougl | TheLordOfTime, http://pastebin.com/fg8g4ffs is the errors... will do the complete list, was not sure if it was of any interest - sec. | 16:15 |
| TheLordOfTime | dougl, give me the sources.list, and the items in sources.list.d/* | 16:16 |
| TheLordOfTime | since its likely the PPAs are in the folder i mentioned | 16:16 |
| dougl | TheLordOfTime, http://pastebin.com/L2rWLEJL is the complete output of apt-get update... looking for sources.list | 16:18 |
| TheLordOfTime | /etc/apt/sources.list, and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* (everything in that folder) | 16:19 |
| tsimpson | dougl: the team-xbmc PPA does not have anything publushed for quantal | 16:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | team-xbmc/ppa <-- that's why | 16:19 |
| tsimpson | "http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found", and indeed "http://ppa.launchpad.net/team-xbmc/ppa/ubuntu/dists/" does not list quantal | 16:19 |
| AMDAthlon | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:19 |
| TheLordOfTime | tsimpson ninja'd me :/ | 16:20 |
| dougl | TheLordOfTime, http://pastebin.com/FmU8rStH is the list and contents... | 16:22 |
| ManDay | Can anyone recommend a SIP w/ Video client for Kubuntu? | 16:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | dougl, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/team-xbmc-ppa-quantal.list | 16:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/team-xbmc-ppa-quantal.list.save | 16:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | remove those two files | 16:23 |
| dougl | TheLordOfTime tsimpson do I just delete the offending items or how do I correct? | 16:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | then do sudo apt-get update | 16:23 |
| TheLordOfTime | and see if 404s are back | 16:23 |
| dougl | TheLordOfTime, ok | 16:23 |
| yofel | apt should ignore entries in .save files though | 16:24 |
| BluesKaj | dougl, no need for a ppa for xbmc | 16:24 |
| yofel | (iirc) | 16:24 |
| tsimpson | you can ignore the .save, apt only read the .list files | 16:24 |
| TheLordOfTime | yofel, still not necessary if you remove the .list :P | 16:24 |
| yofel | well, it is a backup file | 16:24 |
| tsimpson | or use the package manager and just disable the PPA source from there, no need to delete anything ;) | 16:25 |
| tsimpson | or edit via the command line and comment them out | 16:25 |
| dougl | HEY!!! thanks guys :) I have been pretending not to obsess about those 404's for a few weeks now (they were secretly bugging the crap out of me) and now they are gone... | 16:28 |
| dougl | thanks alot guys :) | 16:28 |
| ManDay | anyone? Is linphone actually good? | 16:37 |
| ManDay | I have my doubts, somehow | 16:38 |
| dougl | ManDay, what is linphone? | 16:41 |
| ManDay | a SIP client | 16:42 |
| dougl | sounds good... skype of google whatever does not work for you? | 16:42 |
| dougl | of = or | 16:42 |
| ManDay | no | 16:43 |
| ManDay | That's why I'm asking for help here | 16:43 |
| avihay | I've head it's disappointing, but I haven't tried. skype getting to micro...commercialized, gonna have to switch soon, the current owner publishing a patent to wiretap skype also isn't reassuring | 16:43 |
| avihay | to->too | 16:43 |
| * dougl installing linphone | 16:47 | |
| ManDay | linphone is NOT a recommendation! | 16:48 |
| ManDay | I think YATE is good | 16:48 |
| ManDay | but I haven't tried it yet | 16:48 |
| dougl | ManDay, technically speaking linphone sux! | 16:49 |
| ManDay | I readily believe it | 16:49 |
| dougl | lol | 16:49 |
| dougl | how do you remove? - sudo apt-get purge linphone | 16:50 |
| kyubotsu | proprietary amd driver made fonts look quite horribly here.. :-/ | 16:51 |
| BluesKaj | purge if you like but apt-get remove works | 16:52 |
| dougl | gotcha BluesKaj - thanks | 16:52 |
| kyubotsu | the system is working nicely otherwise.. ; i just finished a fresh install. memory usage is also lower than with unity, | 16:56 |
| kyubotsu | AND , rekonq is finally working out of the box | 16:57 |
| * dougl is happy for kyubotsu | 16:59 | |
| dougl | Nice when it all works out :) | 16:59 |
| BluesKaj | odd , moving some media files from wife's W7 pc to my external drive ,, the speed started out at 6MiB/s for about 20 mins, now it's dropped to 2,2 and doesn't go any faster , the cpu is working overtime at 98% for some reason ...looking at all the processes , it seems to add up , butr all the process needed for simple transfer of files | 16:59 |
| kyubotsu | rekonq was next to useless to me . now it actually works as i expect it | 16:59 |
| BluesKaj | but why all the processes | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | kyubotsu, rekonq is next to useless for everyone | 17:00 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: is it an NTFS drive? | 17:00 |
| BluesKaj | the source drive is , the external is ext4 | 17:01 |
| BluesKaj | xixor,^ | 17:01 |
| xixor | I remember reading that NTFS drivers can eat up CPU... not sure though | 17:01 |
| yofel | they can | 17:01 |
| kyubotsu | BluesKaj: that's what i USED to think .. ; much better nowadays, at least for me | 17:02 |
| yofel | I once imported a mysql dump in a WUBI install, the bottleneck was mount.ntfs CPU usage | 17:02 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: are these lots of small files? Or a few number of large files? | 17:03 |
| BluesKaj | I originally used NTFS on the external , but it was too slow and since most pcs in this house are ext4 , the ewxternal backup should be as well | 17:04 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, my music files , mostly wav , some mp3 | 17:05 |
| kyubotsu | unity does work better with the proprietary AMD driver enabled though... | 17:05 |
| BluesKaj | at this reate it's going to take 12 hrs | 17:06 |
| kyubotsu | like FLAC files? that's some hefty media you're transfering there | 17:06 |
| BluesKaj | I should have plugged the drive directly into wife's pc | 17:06 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: as a test, I am copying a movie file from an NTFS drive on my desktop, to a 500Mb external 2.5" 5400rpm laptop hard drive, I get an average of 30MiB/s | 17:08 |
| BluesKaj | kyubotsu, I'm not a mp3 fan , i have lot's of room so I copy cds directly without any conversion ...I don't understand ppl stripping 80% of the data from music files to make them fit on a pc | 17:08 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, over your network , ot directly connected | 17:09 |
| BluesKaj | or | 17:09 |
| BluesKaj | ? | 17:09 |
| dougl | flac? | 17:10 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: directly connected over USB 2.0 | 17:10 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: I get the same speeds when transfering files between machines using Samba over wifi | 17:10 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, I'm moving them over our local network | 17:10 |
| kyubotsu | BluesKaj: portability. although most modern devices tend to count in gigabytes, most people prefer sacrifice some fidelity for quantity | 17:11 |
| BluesKaj | kyubotsu, well, i'm an audio guy and audio quality comes first | 17:11 |
| BluesKaj | I don't walk around with hps on blasting in my ears ...prefer to do that in my easy chair :) | 17:12 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: I just copied a directory of mp3s from my samba nas storage, to the attached NTFS USB 2.0 hard drive, got 13MiB/s | 17:13 |
| BluesKaj | xixor, and how does that help me ? | 17:13 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: it tells you that with a similar setup someone gets 6x the speed | 17:14 |
| BluesKaj | I don't have NAS | 17:14 |
| BluesKaj | aamof I think I ruined a mobo trying to install nas | 17:14 |
| xixor | the NAS in this instance is just a usb hard disk attached to my consumer router. Compared to a computer sharing files, its pretty under powered | 17:15 |
| dougl | is there such a thing as mouse trails on kubuntu - still googling for the mac | 17:15 |
| BluesKaj | well, good for you , but I don't have usb capability (server) on my router | 17:16 |
| BluesKaj | xixor,^ | 17:16 |
| xixor | BluesKaj: this is offtopic, perhaps you should take this to #kubuntu-offtopic | 17:16 |
| BluesKaj | why i'm transferring files from windows to kubuntu and it should be faster , I think that's an issue for here | 17:17 |
| kyubotsu | my comparison between 128 to 320 didnt yield much improvement at the headphone level . so they were right, 128 kbit/s is more practical for portability [read, internet : streaming] | 17:19 |
| === crazydiamond is now known as CrazyD1am0nd | ||
| avihay | I get 5.7-6.1MB/s on samba and 5.3-5.4MB/s on sftp (ssh) | 17:19 |
| kyubotsu | obviously your case is different to say the least , BluesKaj | 17:20 |
| BluesKaj | kyubotsu, I avoid mp3 or other compressed music as much as possible | 17:20 |
| kyubotsu | noted. just saying | 17:20 |
| BluesKaj | dougl, FLAC = Free Audio Lossless Codec ,,it's basically a compresased Wav file without any data loss | 17:22 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Hello, Newb here and loving Kubuntu so far. I have a strange annoyance though, and cannot figure out what is causing it. Occasionally ny screen will FLASH a pixulated image of a zoomed in part of my desktop | 17:22 |
| kyubotsu | even then, 320 kbit/s mp3 's are still quite portable considering the 8 gigs of most ipods .. or other | 17:22 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Desktop effects enabled | 17:22 |
| BluesKaj | kyubotsu, 8G holds alot of wav or flac files as well | 17:23 |
| kyubotsu | yah, just read cd quality is rated at 1,411.2 kbit/s , so at 320 you still have a pretty decent conversion. not that 'am trying to sell you anything anyway | 17:25 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Is this the support channel? | 17:26 |
| kyubotsu | !patience | 17:26 |
| ubottu | Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com/ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ or http://www.kubuntuforums.net/ while you wait. | 17:26 |
| Tm_T | CrazyD1am0nd: sounds like display driver bug, what display card & drivers you're using? | 17:28 |
| kyubotsu | CrazyD1am0nd: it's obvious you're having video issues.. i'd start with reinstalling the driver | 17:28 |
| Tm_T | kyubotsu: reinstall most likely won't solve anything (: | 17:29 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | That was a nightmare to get working.. I have an ATI HD 7770 2GB and the drivers are ATI fir GL | 17:30 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | From the 'Additional drivers' | 17:30 |
| kyubotsu | Tm_T: "most likely" there is still a 3% chance in there i'd take | 17:30 |
| kyubotsu | :-P | 17:30 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Everything runs so smoothly now though, Games, MKv's Blu-Rays etc.. Where as before I had so much screen tearing and odd behavior | 17:31 |
| kyubotsu | yah, i JUST uninstalled the proprietary driver here . fonts looked horrible with it enabled [i have an ATI too] | 17:31 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Last thing I want to do is mess around with the drivers again. I have Kubuntu running in a way now that I am very happy with. Last time I tried messing with drivers my whole screen got messed up and a reinstall was needed | 17:34 |
| kyubotsu | well. then test it without effects and see what you get | 17:35 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Good thinking, Thanks very much.. Whats the difference between the 2 drivers I can choose in 'Additional drivers' One is 'fireGL' and the other 'ATI drivers' | 17:36 |
| kyubotsu | i say, perhaps the trade off is worth the small annoyance of the flickering .. but right now none has a good answer to solve your issue | 17:36 |
| kyubotsu | CrazyD1am0nd: or, that.. | 17:37 |
| kyubotsu | trial and error is my favorite method | 17:38 |
| kyubotsu | lulz | 17:38 |
| Tm_T | CrazyD1am0nd: FireGL is AMD/ATI product line for professional graphics acceleration, it's not what your device is (: | 17:40 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Ok thanks very much. Its an Intermittant problem (the worst to diagnose) So I will keep an eye on when it happends next and see if I can narrow it down to what applications are open etc. I am really enjoying Linux finally there seems to be a good Distro and support for gaming in the near future, I appreciate all your support and the work the community does. | 17:40 |
| Tm_T | CrazyD1am0nd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATI_FireGL | 17:40 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | Thanks Tm_T | 17:41 |
| Tm_T | CrazyD1am0nd: so the other driver would be right one for you | 17:41 |
| CrazyD1am0nd | I think I did originally have that driver but tried the other due to tearing problems, whilch I later solved through trial and error. Thanks again. Will enable the ATI driver and keep a close watch. Goodbye Windows, Hello Kubuntu :) | 17:43 |
| Tygart | Does anyone know the command to get CPU info? | 17:58 |
| lordievader | Tygart: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? | 17:59 |
| BluesKaj | ot just cpuinfo | 17:59 |
| Tygart | Thanks | 18:00 |
| BluesKaj | Tygart, if you want more control over the cpu , install cpufrequtils | 18:04 |
| Tygart | BluesKaj: Thank you. Will that allow overclocking? | 18:05 |
| BluesKaj | Tygart, not theat I know of | 18:06 |
| dougl | so there are no mouse trails in kubuntu? | 18:29 |
| OerHeks | good Q, dougle, i can't find any | 18:36 |
| OerHeks | nnormally there is something wrong, when the mouse leve a trail | 18:36 |
| dougl | OerHeks, I have 3 monitors (windows,linux,OSX) controled by one keyboard (synergy) and sometimes when I come back to the machines I cannot find my cursor... forget where I left it - trails on all 3 machines would be pretty sweet. | 18:39 |
| avihay | dougl: there's a find mouse effect | 19:04 |
| avihay | called track mouse. closest I can think of | 19:06 |
| Subfusc | anyone tried to get oss4 working on 12.10? | 19:11 |
| dougl | avihay, thanks :) | 19:11 |
| skreech_ | Subfusc: I haven't. What's the issue? | 19:33 |
| ovidiu-florin | hello, I was using just now mc in konsole to copy some data to an remote location, and all of the suddent the Window bar of the konsole dissapeared, also the Panel from the desktop. I can start other programs using alt+F2, but how can I restore it? Can I restart X11 with out having to stop mc? | 19:37 |
| skreech_ | ovidiu-florin: alt+F2 -> plasma-desktop | 19:43 |
| skreech_ | ovidiu-florin: alt+F2 -> kwin | 19:44 |
| ovidiu-florin | I managed to runplasma-desktop, I think | 19:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | and the screen turned blank | 19:46 |
| ovidiu-florin | skreech_: at first the screen locked | 19:47 |
| skreech_ | ovidiu-florin: It is filling the video cache. | 19:47 |
| skreech_ | It does a pixmap cache of the vector graphics depending on how much stuff you have on teh screen it's noticeable when it starts | 19:47 |
| ovidiu-florin | but it havent turned black as usual, and when I moved the mouse the Prompt for password to unlock appeared | 19:48 |
| skreech_ | Oh that lock :) | 19:48 |
| skreech_ | ha I don't know | 19:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | what to do? | 19:48 |
| skreech_ | put in your password | 19:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | I unlocked it... | 19:48 |
| skreech_ | ok Good | 19:48 |
| skreech_ | alt+F2 -> kwin | 19:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | and I oppened a new konsole, to run plasma-desktop and kwin from there, and then a new konsole oppened | 19:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | and .... | 19:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | now .. | 19:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | the laptop has entered stand by :)) | 19:49 |
| === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw | ||
| ovidiu-florin | what is happening? | 19:49 |
| skreech_ | Battery? | 19:49 |
| ovidiu-florin | just plugged in, even though the battery should have held annother 1-2 hours | 19:50 |
| skreech_ | Can Yo move the windows around? | 19:51 |
| === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ | ||
| ovidiu-florin | resumed from standby | 19:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | skreech_: no, I cannot | 19:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | the windows bar has dissapeared | 19:52 |
| skreech_ | alt+f2 -> kwin | 19:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | now I can see the konsole, it's like it's in fullscreen | 19:52 |
| skreech_ | yeah | 19:52 |
| skreech_ | kwin | 19:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have mapped a shortcut to open a new konsole: alt+t and I oppened a neew one, but I cannot focus it | 19:52 |
| ovidiu-florin | I can use the menubar from konsole, but i cannot focut in the prompt | 19:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | I can go to tty | 19:53 |
| ovidiu-florin | should I export DISPLAY=:0 ? | 19:54 |
| skreech_ | did you run kwin ? | 19:54 |
| ovidiu-florin | no, cannot focus on krunner, it appears, but I cannot type in it | 19:55 |
| ovidiu-florin | can I run this from tty? | 19:56 |
| skreech_ | yes | 19:57 |
| skreech_ | export DISPLAY=:0 && kwin& | 19:57 |
| ovidiu-florin | I ran: 'export DISPLAY=:0' and then kwin and got: error BadWindow() invalid window parameter 3 | 19:57 |
| skreech_ | Erm | 19:58 |
| skreech_ | Did it try to open? | 19:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | the window bar to konsole has been restored... | 19:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | but the rest of the desktop is blank | 19:58 |
| Subfusc | skreech_: it doesn't detect my soundcard and makes noises. :) But I gave it up | 19:58 |
| ovidiu-florin | nothig else on the desktop | 19:59 |
| ovidiu-florin | skreech_: yes, it tried, but failed | 19:59 |
| ovidiu-florin | I would just reboot, But The data I am copying right now is important, And I cannot stop it | 20:00 |
| ovidiu-florin | I've managed to restore my desktop, barely | 20:23 |
| ovidiu-florin | but I get an error the the disk is full, how can this be, since I am copying data from my HDD to a remote location? | 20:24 |
| skreech__ | ovidiu-florin: logs? | 20:37 |
| skreech__ | which disk is full? | 20:37 |
| ovidiu-florin | skreech__: the local one | 20:39 |
| ovidiu-florin | whitch log shoul I check? | 20:40 |
| skreech__ | df -h | 20:40 |
| ovidiu-florin | Available 18G | 20:41 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have no I deea what is happening with my computer today | 20:42 |
| skreech__ | ovidiu-florin: something is up. All your disks have space? | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | yes | 20:43 |
| skreech__ | ick something is going there | 20:43 |
| ovidiu-florin | I have a question about mc. when copying date to/from a remote location, the progress bar goes up to 100% and then it just stays like that, while at the bottom of the screen over the prompt, I can see some numbers which i guess that are bytes. I have here a total and a copied which grows, I think. Why doesnt the progress bar also include this ? and it just lags at 100% untill this is finished? | 20:48 |
| ovidiu-florin | also what does it mean when the numbers on the bottom have a - in front of them? | 20:48 |
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| === Guest80147 is now known as eugene1976 | ||
| ubuntu | hello | 21:04 |
| ubuntu | i need help | 21:04 |
| === ubuntu is now known as Guest34074 | ||
| Guest34074 | i have an kubutu live cd | 21:04 |
| Guest34074 | and i will install vlc player | 21:05 |
| Guest34074 | we can do that | 21:05 |
| internetN00b | Guest34074: I do not understand your problem | 21:08 |
| lordievader | Guest34074: In a live environment you can install VLC, yes. However it is not persistent. | 21:10 |
| skreech__ | Guest34074: If you are asking if you can install VLC in a live CD yes you can install anything until your Ram fills up | 21:26 |
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| zseller | hi everyone | 22:14 |
| zseller | anyone familiar with setting up a zte m195 usb modem? This thing works in live mode but does not on an installed system. | 22:15 |
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| zseller | bangarang | 22:29 |
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| === Guest45778 is now known as thekleine | ||
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