[05:27] <gnomefreak> anyohne try to file a bug on 13.04 using "ubuntu-bug bleh"?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> apport keeps crashing here
[05:28] <chilicui1> gnomefreak: give me a second, I'll give it a try
[05:28] <gnomefreak> chilicui1: thanks
[05:33] <gnomefreak> chilicui1: here is what i get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1366843/
[05:41] <chilicui1> gnomefreak: ok, do you think it's similar to this one? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2084222
[05:41] <chilicui1> gnomefreak: I'm updating raring to check if it breaks here too
[05:44] <gnomefreak> chilicui1: its not the same. He is getting to when lp page should open, i dont get past collecting info
[05:49] <chilicui1> gnomefreak: kt
[05:49] <chilicui1> gnomefreak: it's working fine here
[05:54] <gnomefreak> chilicui1: gnome or kde?
[05:58] <chilicui1> gnomefreak: unity/gnome/gtk
[05:59] <chilicui1> btw, if anyone of the bugcontrol team shows up, I'd like that they marked as triaged bug #1023329 with importance 'low'
[05:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1023329 in cdo (Ubuntu) "cdo does not do what it is supposed to do" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1023329
[06:01] <gnomefreak> thas odd. sorry chilicui1 some reason i cant change them
[06:01] <gnomefreak> wth happened to my bug team status
[06:02] <chilicui1> gnomefreak: np =), thanks anyway
[09:43] <ali1234> if i reported a bug and it got fixed in the new release of ubuntu, but not the old one, and it's anot a good candidate for SRU, and anyway nobody ever commented on my bug report, what's the approriate way to close the bug report?
[10:08] <mitya57> ali1234, just mark it as fix released
[10:11] <ali1234> ok, thanks
[10:13] <patr|ck> looks like nobody reviews mine either
[14:13] <melodie> hello
[14:14] <melodie> I come to see if I can have a disussion here about a bug related to network-manager not started at boot. It is related to an error message which let me at two bug reports:
[14:14] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/881079
[14:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881079 in console-tools (Ubuntu Precise) "FIXED: spurious "Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration" message at startup, but all network devices are up" [High,Triaged]
[14:14] <melodie> and this one:
[14:14] <melodie> no, just that one.
[14:15] <melodie> for me it is not fixed yet in Precise
[14:52] <melodie> hi again
[18:39] <melodie> hi, does anyone have information about this bug ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12361224#post12361224
[18:40] <melodie> does anyone coming here deal with bugs ?
[18:40] <melodie> :)
[18:42] <penguin42> melodie: Are you sure that's the same bug?
[18:43] <EXORCIST> I think I found a bug
[18:43] <melodie> penguin42, it looks very much like it
[18:43] <melodie> so much that I didn't even think it could be a different one
[18:44] <melodie> I'd like to see someone tell me : show this log, and that log on pastebin, then a knownledgeable person would look and find out what happens really
[18:44] <penguin42> melodie: Go back a step, when did you start getting it and what version are you on?
[18:45] <melodie> I started having it immediatly and I have provided the version I'm on on the forum
[18:45] <melodie> version ubuntu you mean ?
[18:45] <melodie> or version packages ?
[18:45] <melodie> it also happens in a netbook where I did the same install, a Samsung N210
[18:46] <EXORCIST> i found a remote exploit in ubuntu
[18:46] <melodie> I thought it was because of the wireless, which I have deactivated since, but the problem persisted so when I noticed it also here in this one box I thought I would start working on it and search the web a bout it
[18:46] <penguin42> EXORCIST: Then please report the bug and mark it as security
[18:47] <EXORCIST> I want to make full disclosure here
[18:47] <EXORCIST> I will use pastebin
[18:47] <penguin42> EXORCIST: It's unlikely people here will notice it
[18:47] <penguin42> EXORCIST: If you report it on lp and mark it as security then the security team will be informed
[18:47] <EXORCIST> Who is in the security team?
[18:48] <EXORCIST> where is the security team channel
[18:48] <penguin42> EXORCIST: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security
[18:49] <penguin42> melodie: Have you done some basic debug ignoring nm and wicd?
[18:49] <melodie> penguin42, I wish I knew how to do that
[18:49] <melodie> I'll have to bbl
[18:49] <melodie> and I'll be back. :)
[18:49] <melodie> thanks
[18:49] <penguin42> melodie: I'd try doing some basic config with ifconfig
[18:50] <melodie> penguin42, i go for dinner and will be back after
[18:50] <penguin42> I may or may not be here
[18:51] <penguin42> EXORCIST: I'd ask you to go through launchpad and mark it as security, and you can make it public or private; I'd ask you to make it private and give them time to sort it
[18:52] <EXORCIST> I think ubuntu is widely used
[18:52] <penguin42> yep
[18:52] <EXORCIST> You can buy the exploit from me if you want
[18:52] <penguin42> haha no thanks
[18:55] <EXORCIST> !ops
[18:55] <ubot2> Help! Seveas, Hobbsee, gnomefreak, coleSLAW, or dholbach
[18:55] <EXORCIST> !ops
[18:57] <penguin42> Pricey: Ta
[19:11] <melodie> penguin42, ? are you still here ? :)
[19:13] <melodie> penguin42, my aim is not to get a successful configuration. In need a "sudo dhclient eth0" or eth1 will do the trick. What i would want is to get help to find where the problem lies, and get the devs to fix it really, if possible. I would like Ubuntu to be even better than it is now
[19:13] <melodie> I also meet with an issue with something else, but... one problem at a time.
[19:14] <melodie> if you are still here, and if you know the /etc/init scripts, I would like to say what I have been looking at there ?
[19:37] <melodie> bbl
[19:37] <penguin42> oops, missed
[19:42] <patr|ck> not to be a pest, but what about my bug - what can i do to get it reviewed?
[19:42] <patr|ck> i mean: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1079801
[19:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1079801 in xorg (Ubuntu) "3D apps do not load for the intel "sandy bridge" gfx chip" [Undecided,New]
[19:43] <penguin42> let me just look at that
[19:43] <patr|ck> cool
[19:45] <penguin42>  patr|ck: Does something simple like glxgears work?
[19:45] <patr|ck> glxgears works, yes
[19:45] <patr|ck> with about 60 FPS
[19:45] <melodie> hi again
[19:46] <melodie> penguin42, I rebooted, didn't find any way to fix it so far
[19:47] <penguin42> patr|ck: OK, can you attach the output of glxinfo ?
[19:47] <patr|ck> not at the moment, because i am on 12.04
[19:47] <penguin42> melodie: Right, so while you say your intent is not to find a working config, but to get the devs to fix it, the 1st step is to find out which bit is broken
[19:48] <penguin42> patr|ck: OK, so I suggest you 1) get the output of glxinfo, 2) try something heavy 3d that's native Ubuntu (e.g. blender or one of the games) 3) can you attach the output error text message from running google earth?
[19:48] <patr|ck> you mean to run the glxinfo on the "broken" versions 12.10 and 13.04 right?
[19:49] <melodie> this is what I was trying to find out
[19:49] <penguin42> patr|ck: Yes, broken version please
[19:49] <penguin42> melodie: OK, so does running dhclient or the like work?
[19:49] <penguin42> melodie: And apologies, I'm muxing a few bugs at the same time here; so can you remind me, what does the output of ifconfig -a   say?
[19:50] <patr|ck> okay, so i got some "homework" :-)
[19:50] <penguin42> patr|ck: I'm wondering if it's only 32 bit programs that are broken and that you need to install some missing 32 bit library
[19:50] <patr|ck> 32bit only, yesw
[19:50] <patr|ck> sorry: yes
[19:50] <penguin42> patr|ck: So you're sure 64bit stuff is happy?
[19:51] <patr|ck> i have no 64bit
[19:51] <melodie> penguin42, no problem, you do as you can and yes, dhclient does work, so do network-manager : just under the condition that the former packages are installed ! the ones from updates repos does not start at boot
[19:51] <penguin42> patr|ck: Oh ok, mis read it - so this is a 32bit install?
[19:51] <melodie> I might have found why by the way
[19:51] <patr|ck> it is, yes
[19:52] <melodie> not sure of that but if you have a few minutes available to look at that at same time as me I might be able to point to a detail in a start file
[19:52] <penguin42> melodie: OK, so if it's working but failing on an update please file that as a separate bug; I don't think it's necessarily the same as that old one - please state the versions that work/fail and tell someone here because then it's a regression
[19:52] <penguin42> patr|ck: OK, so wasn't what I was thinking - so still fill that home work in :-)
[19:52] <melodie> and the problem which still is here is this terrible delay at boot !
[19:52] <patr|ck> roger!
[19:53] <melodie> penguin42, someone here ? who ?
[19:53] <penguin42> melodie: Yeh if you're lucky someone here (bugcontrol/bugsquad) should be able to make sure it's marked as a regression and mark it high; a regression on an LTS is pretty important
[19:53] <penguin42> melodie: But you need to make sure you show the before/after package numbers
[19:54] <melodie> and what about the 60 more seconds delay in the early start of boot ? I didn't find yet how to narrow it.
[19:54] <melodie> penguin42, yes, I know the version numbers, this guy at the forum gave it all !
[19:54] <penguin42> melodie: They're tricky, two ways, look to see if you can see the gap in /var/log/boot* or any other stuff, also try running bootchart
[19:55] <melodie> how do I run bootchart ? what is it ?
[19:55] <melodie> in X  console ? as root ? as user ?
[19:55] <penguin42> melodie: It's a package you install, it records (into /var/log/bootchart I think) a recording of your boot process and leaves a trace and .png there showing a trace
[19:55] <melodie> I have been in /var/log/boot.lot
[19:55] <melodie> log
[19:56] <melodie> ok
[19:56] <melodie> bootchart packages installing now
[19:56] <penguin42> melodie: One thing to watch out for though, the last message you see before the hang is not necessarily the cause
[19:57] <melodie> which hang ? nothing hangs : the boot process is slowed down by the 60 seconds delay
[19:57] <melodie> the same as here:
[19:57] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/881079
[19:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881079 in console-tools (Ubuntu Precise) "FIXED: spurious "Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration" message at startup, but all network devices are up" [High,Triaged]
[19:57] <melodie> "Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration" message at startup, but all network devices are up"
[19:58] <melodie> oh bots !
[19:58] <melodie> :|
[19:59] <penguin42> it's a nice friendly bot
[19:59] <melodie> the file under /etc/init having for name "network-manager.conf" seem not to be the same in the package from update and in the one from the former package.
[19:59] <melodie> the newer seems to want the network-manager program to be started after I don't remember what (I'll have to reinstall it to see what and compare)
[20:00] <melodie> I didn't know about upstart way of working, I had to dig there a bit to find out.
[20:00] <penguin42> upstart is still a bit of a mysetery to me
[20:00] <penguin42> try
[20:01] <melodie> penguin42, mystery or misery ? ;D
[20:01] <penguin42> both!
[20:01] <melodie> mysetery looks like a mix or both. :)
[20:01] <melodie> systemd in other boxes is quite a new stuff with lots of complexity as well...
[20:02] <melodie> I installed bootchart, is there anything else I should try before restarting the box ?
[20:02] <penguin42> yeh I have a certain preference for a nice simple /etc/rc :-(
[20:02] <melodie> :)
[20:02] <penguin42> melodie: Just reboot, log in and then have a look at the nice image in /var/log/bootchart
[20:03] <melodie> ok
[20:03] <melodie> I'll bb
[20:13] <melodie> penguin42, ?
[20:13] <penguin42> hi
[20:14] <melodie> i have the bootchart directory in /var/log but I don't understand anything from it. who wants it can have it...
[20:14] <melodie> o_^
[20:14]  * penguin42 has to go in a minute or two
[20:14] <penguin42> melodie: You should find there is a big .png image
[20:14] <penguin42> melodie: And it just shows time across the bottom and you can see all the things that are happening
[20:16] <melodie> I have looked al right :D
[20:17] <melodie> may I upload them somewhere, maybe you could have a look and try to figure out what goes on there ?
[20:17]  * penguin42 has to go now
[20:17] <melodie> ok.
[20:21] <melodie> is there someone here belonging to the bugsquad ?
[20:27] <melodie> is there someone here belonging to the bugsquad ? here are all the reports related to the same bug as what I am meeting with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=Waiting+for+60+more+seconds&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target= and the same thread includes late reports involving Ubuntu Precise, such as myself
[20:28] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/console-common/+bug/881079
[20:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 881079 in console-tools (Ubuntu Precise) "FIXED: spurious "Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration" message at startup, but all network devices are up" [High,Triaged]
[21:12] <melodie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1080454
[21:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1080454 in network-manager (Ubuntu) "New network-manager is not started at boot" [Undecided,New]
[21:12] <melodie> and good night