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[08:27] <christel> morning
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:29]  * christel snuggles MartijnVdS 
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> It's going to be a cold run today :(
[08:32] <christel> yes, i suspect it would -- i woke up to a pretty but cold landscape covered in frost :)
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> oh it's about 7-8°C here
[08:33] <MartijnVdS> but there's a cold wind
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> good thing I have winter running gear ;)
[08:55] <christel> :)
[09:16] <AlanBell> good news everybody http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20356613
[09:23] <ali1234> i got consecutive bugs again
[09:24] <ali1234> bug report rate has really dropped recently
[09:48] <jacobw> hallo
[09:57] <jacobw> i'm looking for a photo manager that lets me put photos in to events and export the all the photos in an event as a set of similary formatted PNGs
[09:59] <jacobw> like "all these photos are from this party, color correct and scale them all to 500x500 and put them in this folder"
[10:00] <jacobw> maybe this function has a name that i don't know yet :)
[10:42] <ali1234> popey: bug #770258 - did you see it on none-nvidia hardware?
[10:47] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:49] <jacobw> morning brobostigon
[10:49] <brobostigon> morning jacobw
[11:29] <popey> ali1234, yes, intel laptop
[11:30] <ali1234> hmm. i can't reproduce with mainline
[12:31] <ali1234> my brother: "how to i get usb flash drive on ubuntu?"
[12:31] <ali1234> me: "what version are you using?"
[12:31] <ali1234> my brother: "knoppix"
[12:31] <brobostigon> lol
[12:32] <brobostigon> dd :)
[12:37] <ali1234> i think he even burned it to a cdr
[13:13] <penguin42> don't suppose anyone has ever got DOS booting in kvm?
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: they have
[13:42] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Don't suppose you know how? I've got both DRDOS and OpenDOS failing
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Guest_Support_Status#Others
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: "Do not load emm386.exe"
[13:43] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: That's MSDOS, the FreeDOS one says it just works
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> I think it should yes
[13:43] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: FreeDOS boots from it's install CD and seems to work OK, but the install to the hard drive just hangs
[13:44] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: chainloading it from GRUB doesn't seem to help either
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: are you using libvirt "hardware" or IDE emulation?
[13:44] <penguin42> IDE
[13:45] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: And the fact that I can install onto it means that the BIOS hooks for accessing the drive are OK
[15:16] <Aivaras> Is it possible to test ram reading speed in MB/s?
[15:18] <penguin42> there are various benchmarks/tests that should be able to do that
[15:18] <penguin42> there are probably some nice ones, I like LMBench though - it'll measure *everything* but is rather complex
[15:20] <Aivaras> ok, thanks :)
[15:26] <SuperEngineer> My using a KVM switch in reverse experiment [1 pc switching between monitor & TV] is a success!
[15:27] <SuperEngineer> Total cost: 1x9v 6oomA power pack. To those who offered advice, thank you.
[17:27] <simondbull> Hey guys, just wanted ask a question. I am running Ubuntu 12.10, and am suffering from regular lock-ups (around 2 a day). What usually happens is that Firefox or Empathy force quits, and then I am randomly logged out. When I log back in, X dies. Any suggestions about what may be causing the issue? It would be highly appreciated. Thanks, Simon.
[17:27] <ali1234> nouveau
[17:28] <simondbull> ali1234, I'm running Intel :)
[17:28] <ali1234> ok then, intel driver
[17:28] <ali1234> it's just as bad
[17:28] <ahayzen> ali1234, i'm running exactly the same hardware and have had no lockups
[17:29] <ali1234> exactly the same hardware?
[17:29] <ahayzen> ali1234, same laptops
[17:29] <ali1234> then it's bad ram
[17:30] <ahayzen> ali1234, it seems more related to flash usage...any log files tht we could look at to find the issue?
[17:30] <ali1234> dmesg
[17:31] <ahayzen> ali1234, does the issue have to be in the same session?
[17:31] <ali1234> yes
[18:24] <EXORCIST> UBUNTU IS QUITE BLOATED
[18:28] <EXORCIST> MY CAPS LOCK IS BROKEN BECVAOUSE OF UBUNTU
[18:28] <EXORCIST> HELP ! HELP!
[18:28]  * Azelphur nudges popey
[18:29] <popey> oh dear
[18:30] <Azelphur> something is under our bridge sir :(
[18:30] <Azelphur> :)
[18:30] <ahayzen> :)
[18:30] <popey> ta
[18:30] <directhex> man, the quality of trolls has fallen these days :(
[18:31] <Azelphur> indeed
[18:31] <directhex> it's not trolling if it's obvious.
[18:31] <directhex> trolling is a art
[18:31] <directhex> you need to get under their skin
[18:31] <IdleOne> that sort gives the really bad (read good) trolls a bad name
[18:32] <directhex> it's the subtle things that work, the tiny little stuff that makes most normal people lose there cool
[18:32] <EXORCIST> F8CK.
[18:32] <directhex> and this is why web irc is crap
[18:32] <Azelphur> directhex: not really, he just kicked not banned, he's back on exactly the same host
[18:32] <Gargoyle> Evening!
[18:32] <popey> one of the reasons
[18:33] <directhex> one of the reasons
[18:33] <IdleOne> kick it, kick it hard.
[18:33] <IdleOne> break off a foot
[18:33] <popey> Sunday evenings in Turkey are clearly dull.
[18:33] <directhex> IdleOne, again, there is no pleasure in eliminating a bad troll
[18:34] <Gargoyle> Is there a correct way to fully clean up un-installed software? I removed apache2, and it left behind config files, log files and it's logrotate and cron scripts!
[18:34] <directhex> there's no battle of wits involved. it's just cleaning the toilet, which is not an enjoyable task
[18:34] <popey> sudo apt-get autore-move --purge
[18:34] <popey> Gargoyle, ^^
[18:34] <directhex> Gargoyle, yeah, so this is called "purge"
[18:34] <popey> er
[18:34] <IdleOne> Gargoyle: remove --purge package
[18:34] <popey> minus the typo
[18:34] <popey> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[18:34] <IdleOne> that works also
[18:35] <Gargoyle> So if I had already done the autoremove, I can't do it again with --purge?
[18:35] <IdleOne> try
[18:35] <popey> probably need to reinstall the package and remove again with --purge
[18:37] <directhex> dpkg accepts the --purge flag for packages not currently installed
[18:38] <directhex> but you need to know the exact package name
[18:38] <popey> should be able to get that from /var/log/dpkg.log
[18:38] <popey> if it was recently removed
[18:38] <Gargoyle> hmm. It's not just log / config files!
[18:39] <Gargoyle> this seems to be a lot of "leftovers" even for just a normal "remove". http://pastie.org/private/nvmji1t8y3khbjmqtpmo2a is this standard?
[18:40] <popey> apache2 isnt the package name
[18:41] <popey> you may have something like apache2-mpm-prefork installed
[18:41] <Darael> popey: Given that it was apt-get removed, I'd use /var/log/apt/history.log rather than /var/log/dpkg.log since it gives all relevant package names at once.
[18:41] <directhex> /usr/sbin/apache2 is provided by one of the apache back-end packages
[18:41] <directhex> apache2-mpm-event, apache2-mpm-itk, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-worker
[18:41] <popey> apache2-mpm-event
[18:42] <popey> if you'd used autoremove it probably have worked
[18:42] <popey> because apache2-mpm-event got pulled in by apache2
[18:45] <Gargoyle> I did autoremove after doing apt-get remove apache2.
[18:45] <Gargoyle> Have you been having trouble with EXORCIST in here ?
[18:46] <directhex> "trouble"
[18:46] <directhex> low quality trolling
[18:53] <penguin42> Gargoyle: He's in #ubuntu-bugs at the moment offering to sell an exploit
[18:53] <directhex> he's a troll, but this network is full of people who are far too fluffy to apply k-lines when required
[18:54] <Laney> too much rising to the bait
[18:54] <Laney> needs a more global soltuion
[18:54] <directhex> anyone from freenode/staff about in here, for quick resolution?
[18:54] <penguin42> I think you can always ask in #ops ?
[18:55] <popey> loco teams are dealt with in #ubuntu-irc
[18:55] <Laney> /stats p
[18:55] <Pendulum> or, probably, #ubuntu-irc since it's in Ubuntu namespace (to at least get him out of Ubuntu channels)
[18:55] <popey> -ops is for core channels
[18:55] <Gargoyle> I think I'll ask in ops. As he is PM'ing people as such:- http://pastie.org/private/zxgrpsil7lbthgca0sx0vw
[18:55] <Gargoyle> So it's not just an ubuntu issue!
[18:55] <popey> yes, I'm getting that kind of thing too
[18:56] <popey> nvm
[18:56] <directhex> aha!
[18:56] <popey> there we go
[18:57] <directhex> he was trying the switcheroo in #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-steam, i.e. summon an op and try to get the people fingering him kickbanned
[18:57] <directhex> which would work fine if ubuntu weren't a community
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> this is me being an under-bridge-dweller...
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> ...Ubuntu is bad, so bad, so very bad...
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> ...so bad I only have it installed on three pooters...
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> - I've only got the 3 to install it on ;)
[19:00] <SuperEngineer> [unless someone wants to send me a forth?]
[19:01]  * penguin42 throws his spare P200 at SuperEngineer
[19:01] <directhex> fourth.
[19:01] <directhex> forth is a programming language
[19:01] <Laney> now i want to listen to under the bridge
[19:01] <Laney> all saints version
[19:01] <penguin42> directhex: 2 2 + .
[19:01] <SuperEngineer> and a bridge
[19:02]  * SuperEngineer thanks penguin42 
[19:05] <Gargoyle> Quick check I have understood the docs properly - Is the command at the bottom of the paste the correct one to clean up? http://pastie.org/private/77eiwlukfoh80zydi0zna
[19:10] <popey> i wouldn't
[19:10] <popey> i would sudo apt-get autoremove --purge apache2-utils apache2.2-bin apache2.2-common libapache2-mod-php5
[19:13] <Gargoyle> What's the difference / concequence of using dpkg over apt-get autoremove?
[19:14] <popey> dpkg wont remove deps, apt-get autoremove will
[19:14] <Gargoyle> Ahh cool.
[19:48] <ali1234> how does one post an image on reddit?
[19:49] <Azelphur> ali1234: upload it to imgur then post the link
[19:49] <ali1234> i see
[20:40] <X3N> What's the status of GNOME on ubuntu? is it a supported option at all?
[20:45] <brobostigon> !info ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[20:46] <brobostigon> X3N: look up ubuntu gnome remix.
[20:46] <brobostigon> !info gnome-shell
[20:47] <popey> X3N, jbicha is working on a gnome based flavour
[20:47] <X3N> hmm
[20:48] <X3N> it's a bit odd that there are thing like gnome-shell in the main repos but it won't really work correctly
[20:48] <brobostigon> X3N: i have tested it, it does work correctly, including gdm3 etc.
[20:49] <X3N> brobostigon: from the main repos ?
[20:49] <brobostigon> X3N: yep.
[20:49] <X3N> What about things like the indicator? is there an gnome-shell extension to support that?
[20:50] <brobostigon> X3N: define, indicator?
[20:51] <X3N> http://unity.ubuntu.com/projects/appindicators/
[20:52] <X3N> there are a bunch of applications that use that either natively or have been patched in ubuntu
[20:52] <brobostigon> X3N: those are designed for unity, they wont work in gnome-shell. that i know of.
[20:53] <X3N> so you can't use gtk-recordmydesktop for instance?
[20:54] <brobostigon> X3N: last time i tried that, here in debian, with gnome-shell it did work, yes.
[20:54] <X3N> on debian it would work, because it's not patched
[20:54] <brobostigon> X3N: so i see no reason why it shouldnt work.
[20:55] <brobostigon> X3N: i have ubuntu 12.10 here, with gnome-shell 3.6, however havent tried it, so couldnt tell you.
[21:04] <ali1234> X3N: unity allows old style tray icons too
[21:04] <ali1234> but apps have to be whitelisted
[21:05] <ali1234> also gnome-panel still works fine
[21:05] <ali1234> it fully supports both systray and indicators
[21:06] <ali1234> gnome remix is not much better than the standard desktop tbh
[21:06] <ali1234> no U1, no compiz, no indicators
[21:07] <X3N> I read that with gnome-panel you need to add the applet / indicator-applet-complete
[21:07] <ali1234> yeah, it's installed by default
[21:07] <ali1234> it's part of gnome-fallback-session
[21:08] <X3N> do you know if you have to add it manually or not?
[21:08] <ali1234> add what?
[21:08] <X3N> the panel applet
[21:08] <ali1234> no, it's on panel by default
[21:08] <ali1234> it doesn't work properly on 12.04 though
[21:08] <ali1234> you need 12.10
[21:08] <X3N> ah
[21:10] <X3N> all a bit of a mess
[21:10] <ali1234> yeah
[21:13] <ali1234> for best results you have to use compiz 0.8, even on 12.10 there's problems
[21:16] <X3N> I was doing detection of whether or not to use the indicator based on whether the library for it is installed, but if people are switching between unity and gnome that kind of goes to pot
[21:26] <ali1234> yes
[21:26] <ali1234> however, there is a way to do it
[21:26] <ali1234> i don't know what it is, but there is a way
[21:27] <ali1234> and as mentioned, gnome-panel fully supports both ways at the same time
[21:28] <ali1234> similar related bug, consider this "how not to do it" : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1074314
[21:34] <d3ngar> Hello there
[21:34] <d3ngar> I seem to have a problem with my VPN server
[21:34] <d3ngar> It doesn't seem to be listening
[21:35] <d3ngar> Albeit running
[21:44] <dwatkins> d3ngar: can you check if the ports are in use by the process, or whether it's possible to access those ports through the firewall (if applicable)?
[21:45] <d3ngar> No, they were simply not listed in netstat -anp | grep pptpd
[21:45] <d3ngar> Or the one port
[21:45] <dwatkins> does fuser $PORT/tcp (replacing as appropriate) show the VPN process listening on that one?
[21:49] <d3ngar> it is now
[21:49] <d3ngar> I uninstalled pptpd
[21:49] <d3ngar> and reinstalled
[21:49] <d3ngar> I can see the port listening now
[21:50] <d3ngar> But I still can't connect
[21:50] <d3ngar> The log file is not at all helpful
[21:51] <dwatkins> can you telnet to the port and at least confirm it's listening from the external system?
[21:51] <d3ngar> http://pastebin.com/p18S9zGc
[21:51] <dwatkins> i.e. that it's accepting connections
[21:51] <d3ngar> Yes
[21:51] <d3ngar> It is accepting connections
[21:52] <dwatkins> The format of wtmp is a little hoopy, I think 'last' reads it.
[21:52] <dwatkins> ok, so it's either a client or server configuration issue, assuming it's the right process that's listening.
[21:53] <d3ngar> I guess when telnet says it's connected, it is connected?
[21:53] <d3ngar> telnet host 1723?
[21:53] <dwatkins> actually, no
[21:53] <d3ngar> :/
[21:53] <dwatkins> it is connected when you get a response, or can send text, iirc
[21:54] <d3ngar> Sorry?
[21:54] <dwatkins> sorry, I'm not familiar with any vpn software, so all I can do is help on the IP/tcp side
[21:54] <d3ngar> how do I get a response?
[21:54] <dwatkins> no idea, send it some text perhaps
[21:55] <dwatkins> if it just sits there telling you the control character, it may not be connected
[21:55] <d3ngar> I keep getting connection closed by foreign host
[21:55] <dwatkins> what's between you and the machine in question, routers? firewalls?
[21:55] <d3ngar> Router, yes
[21:55] <d3ngar> But the port is open
[21:55] <d3ngar> (it used to work, so I'm surprised to have difficulties now)
[21:55] <d3ngar> I doubt it's the router
[21:55] <dwatkins> hmm, what changed?
[21:55] <d3ngar> System
[21:56] <d3ngar> I tried upgrading to 12.04
[21:56] <d3ngar> But there were some problems and I ended up re-installing the whole system
[21:56] <dwatkins> ah ok
[21:56] <dwatkins> in that case, it's most likely the VPN configuration on the server.
[21:56] <d3ngar> I also get a connection closed error from the local host
[21:57] <d3ngar> (That's via telnet)
[21:57] <d3ngar> Why is there no log, I wonder?
[21:57] <dwatkins> not even anything recently appended in /var/log?
[21:58] <d3ngar> I'm not familiar with that file
[21:58] <d3ngar> I don't have it, apparently
[21:58] <d3ngar> /var/log?
[21:58] <dwatkins> cd /var/log ; ls -lrt
[21:58] <dwatkins> reverse temporal order
[21:59] <dwatkins> if a logfile in there is being written to, it should show a timestamp of when you connected, or the syslog might be being used
[21:59] <d3ngar> yes
[22:00] <d3ngar> It's the wtmp file
[22:00] <d3ngar> But there is nothing notable in there
[22:00] <dwatkins> hmm, that file just contains login records
[22:01] <d3ngar> It has the gibberish in there that I posted to pastebin
[22:01] <dwatkins> yeah, see the output of 'last' for human readable format, iirc
[22:01] <d3ngar> When I used last, there was only a message:
[22:01] <d3ngar> wtmp begins Mon Nov 12 16:11:32 2012
[22:02] <d3ngar> Otherwise the file is empty
[22:02] <dwatkins> That's strange, my 'last' output begins with a note about my current login. Are you logged in?
[22:02] <d3ngar> logged in?
[22:02] <d3ngar> On the remote host?
[22:02] <d3ngar> Yes, via SSH
[22:03] <dwatkins> Strange that it's not being updated, I'm running 11.04; not sure if it's changed or something.
[22:03] <d3ngar> mmm
[22:29] <X3N> any python peeps about?
[22:29] <X3N> if someone could try in a python console, from gir.repository import AppIndicator3; AppIndicator3.init ()
[22:29] <X3N> that would be helpful :)
[22:30] <popey> ImportError: No module named gir.repository
[22:32] <X3N> sorry, should have been gi.repository
[22:33] <popey> X3N, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1368919/
[22:33] <X3N> thanks
[23:05] <simondbull> Hey everyone. Been having issues with 12.10, where it's been randomly logging off and freezing. I have dmesg'ed it, and put the output in pastebin http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1368906/ . Hope you can help. Thanks, Simon