[16:49] <pleia2> akk: were you able to make it to the mt view ubuntu hour?
[16:49] <akk> pleia2: I was. It was small, only 5 people, but fun anyway.
[16:49] <pleia2> been trying to get ahold of some of the people running it to get DVDs down there, but no one is responding to my email :(
[16:49] <akk> Hmph!
[16:50] <pleia2> they didn't announce it to the mailing list or put it on the loco.ubuntu.com site either, so I'm not sure what's going on
[16:50] <pleia2> and I'm not sure what to do
[16:50] <akk> Yeah, sigh. Meetup is working well, but I have to think a lot of that is just that the event is actually announced there.
[16:51] <pleia2> to be honest it's not really an ubuntu california event if they're not even telling the rest of the team about it
[16:51] <akk> Would much rather have a non-proprietary place where things were announced.
[16:51] <pleia2> agreed
[16:51] <akk> True. Sadly.
[16:51] <pleia2> you can't even see the events without signing up
[16:51] <akk> Meetup is annoying and I can heartily understand people not wanting to sign up for it.
[16:51]  * pleia2 nods
[16:52] <akk> Though it is admittedly a good way to reach non-connected or not-so-techy people -- they seem to like it.
[16:52] <pleia2> I'm thinking maybe I put together a little wiki page that describes the steps to host an event with the team
[16:52] <akk> That would be helpful!
[16:52] <pleia2> we've gone from very strict "you must get permission and do full reports" to a looseness which people have taken to an extreme where they don't even bother telling the rest of us they're doing something
[16:53] <akk> Y'know, when I look for a list of upcoming ubuntu hours it always takes me several minutes of clicking around to find anything.
[16:53] <pleia2> yeah, you should just be able to go to ubuntu-california.org and click "events"
[16:53] <akk> Right.
[16:54] <pleia2> San Jose has gotten a lot better at adding theirs :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california/events/history
[16:54] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu California Events History | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[16:55] <akk> Is there any way to get them onto the page you get when you click "Events"? All I see there now is the IRC meeting.
[16:55] <pleia2> that link is past events
[16:56] <pleia2> there aren't any scheduled right now so there aren't any on the "Events" page
[16:56]  * pleia2 goes to add next SF one
[16:56] <akk> It's showing is Ubuntu California Team Meeting on Sunday, 18 Nov. 2012 at 19:00 PST
[16:56] <pleia2> right, that's the only thing right now
[16:57] <akk> But if I click on All Events, it says there are no events, I guess the meeting doesn't count.
[16:57] <pleia2> yeah, a "Meeting" is a meeting, Events are separate
[16:58] <akk> That's really confusing.
[16:58] <akk> I went to events, it showed me a meeting, I clicked on all events, suddenly the meeting wasn't there any more.
[16:58] <akk> It's sometimes an event and sometimes not.
[16:58] <pleia2> yeah, that's why I just link to the main page from our website :)
[16:58] <pleia2> no need for people to click around, everything is on that page
[16:59] <pleia2> unfortunately loco.ubuntu.com doesn't have active django developers beyond bug fixes
[17:00] <pleia2> ok, SF one is added, so now you should be able to see on when you go to http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california
[17:00] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu California | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[17:01] <akk> yep
[17:02] <akk> Y'know, yesterday a non-ubuntu friend was lamenting how people in his activist group aren't techie, they won't use calendaring (like google calendar) for scheduling
[17:02] <pleia2> hehe
[17:02] <akk> they insist on scheduling things by announcing them on a mailing list or facebook and nowhere else
[17:03] <akk> and I had to tell him well, guess what, even in techie groups specifically oriented to computers, the exact same thing happens.
[17:03] <pleia2> I'm very glad loco.ubuntu.com at least has the working calendar, that's what I use to update twitter and everything
[17:03] <pleia2> (which means mountain view doesn't get to twitter when it's not in loco.ubuntu...)
[17:03] <akk> yep
[17:03] <pleia2> I think our problem is that people don't use the tools, not that they don't exist
[17:04] <akk> I'd offer to be the one to update the MV ones, except it seems like I'm always the one asking "Hey, is there an MV UH tomorrow?"
[17:04] <pleia2> haha, yeah, you asking that is usually what reminds me there should be and start asking around
[17:04] <pleia2> I did ask the SV folks if they could assign someone to do it, but didn't get much of a response
[17:05] <akk> I think I said the same thing then, something like "I'll be happy to update the pages if you tell me when the events are" :)
[17:05] <akk> I guess I could try updating the loco page when I see the events announced on meetup, but ... that makes me feel dirty somehow. :)
[17:07] <akk> Oh, NM, looks like meetup isn't mailing me about new events any more anyway (I just checked the page and there's a bunch of stuff I had no idea was happening).
[17:08] <pleia2> :\
[17:33] <pleia2> ok, here's my first stab at a checklist https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HowTo
[17:33] <darthrobot`> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Projects/HowTo - Ubuntu Wiki]
[17:39] <akk> pleia2: Two things I would add: 1. Mention how to add to the portal (e.g. "Log in and click 'Add new event') -- I know that seems obvious but if it saves a few minutes of clicking around, it might increase the changes people will do it.
[17:39] <akk> 2. Suggest how long before an event to add it, e.g. you don't want people adding events the day before if they've known about it for three weeks.
[17:41] <akk> Maybe just something like, Add events as early as possible, so people can get them on their calendars and keep the day free.
[17:43] <pleia2> akk: thanks!
[17:44] <akk> and that should have been "increase the chances", not changes, of course. :)
[17:55] <pleia2> ok, done
[17:57] <akk> Aha, I did get notifications for those new meetup events, just today (even though one of them is scheduled for today :)
[17:58] <akk> They're not ubuntu hours anyway, so probably not worth listing on our site. But I'll try adding the next UH I see announced.
[17:59] <pleia2> there's an event today? :\
[17:59]  * pleia2 sighs
[18:01] <akk> There's somebody with a space in San Mateo who apparently decided he wants people to show up and help him install 12.04 on a bunch of old machines
[18:01] <akk> (I think that's what he's saying, anyway -- not entirely clear)
[18:02] <pleia2> hm, I seem to have gotten a notification for one happening on the 25th
[18:02] <akk> and apparently scheduled it both for today and for next Sunday, but I'm not clear whether that's a reschedule or if he really wants people there both weeks.
[18:02] <akk> I got the 25th notification right before the 18th notification in my mail.
[18:03] <akk> The discussion is all under the 18th page.
[18:03] <akk> I'm not clear what these computers are, who they're intended for or anything else.
[18:03] <pleia2> logged into meetup, looks like it's happening both days
[18:04] <akk> Ah, I see, "Stop by today if you like, and definitely on the 25th!"
[18:04] <akk> If it's a charity thing like Partimus, I'd be interested (except I can't make it on the 25th anyway).
[18:05] <pleia2> ok, time for me to take a break, else I'll quit the loco, open source and start spending all my volunteer time with the marine mammal center ;)
[18:05] <pleia2> meeting at 7 tonight!
[18:05] <akk> http://www.re-computer.org/ says "e-waste recycling and computer thrift store"
[18:05] <darthrobot`> Title: [re-computer.org | restoring hardware for the common good]
[18:06] <akk> Seeya tonight, pleia2! Go do something fun.
[18:06] <pleia2> :)
[18:06] <akk> volunteering with marine mammals would be tres awesome.
[18:06] <akk> (but don't do it, we need you here :)