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=== UnknownFork___ is now known as UnknownFork
thankhi00:49
thankhow do i add and write "noapic" option permanent to grub?00:50
knome!grub200:52
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10)00:52
knomethose links should help fixing the grub configuration00:52
thankmever mind, just figured out, thnx00:52
knomenp00:52
nicekiwigrrr... how the $%&^%& do I edit the main apps menu in XFCE?00:53
nicekiwithe menu editor dosnt work and Ive edited the config files adn even they dont work00:53
knomenicekiwi, first step is to calm down and remember this is a family-friendly channel00:53
nicekiwimenulibre dosnt cover it either00:53
nicekiwiare % signs not friendly? :)00:53
* nicekiwi im a nicekiwi, im a nicekiwi, im a nice kiwi.. deep breaths.. 00:54
knomenicekiwi, don't be nosey ;) obfuscated stuff is only a step away from the real thing... :)00:54
knomenicekiwi, what's the exact problem with the menu files?00:55
nicekiwiwell i know how there a menu item for the Ubuntu software centre between 2 seperators, well I removed the USC cause I dont like it and  I want to either remove one of the seperators or add Synaptic where the USC used to be, but i cant do either00:56
nicekiwiyou know*00:56
knomenicekiwi, open /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu with sudo00:56
nicekiwithe config files referenced .desktop files, so I changed the USC one to reference synaptic, but it still shows nothing00:56
knomenicekiwi, find a line that says <Layout>00:57
knomenicekiwi, around line 2100:57
knomenicekiwi, there's the actual menu layout. you want to edit that00:57
nicekiwiknome, yes. I have edited that00:58
nicekiwiin the slot that used to say USC it now has the filename of the synatpci .desktop file00:58
nicekiwiive rebooted since I edited it and still no chnage00:58
knomenicekiwi, right, if you want to change it to synaptic, find the <Include> line (above <Layout>, around 11)00:59
knomenicekiwi, then change USC to synaptic there as well00:59
nicekiwiknome, oooo.. didnt see that before,01:01
nicekiwikj4, now how do I see if it worked?01:01
nicekiwiopps01:01
nicekiwiknome, , now how do I see if it worked?01:01
knomesave the file, wait like 2 seconds, and open the menu01:01
nicekiwiknome, the menu has no chnaged01:03
knomenicekiwi, are you using "the default" menu file?01:04
nicekiwiknome, nvm works now, was using the full name of the app, but the .desktop filename01:06
nicekiwinot the*01:06
knomenicekiwi, great :)01:06
nicekiwity for ur help01:06
knomeno problem01:07
nencinipHello :)01:25
nencinipIs here someone on ?01:26
knomeno, we're all hiding01:28
nencinip:)01:28
xubuntu339why's there so many people here, but nobody is talking about anything :o01:28
knomenobody has a problem01:28
xubuntu339well of course, it's Linux :P01:28
knomeif you want general chatter, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for that01:28
nencinipsssssz all sllep :) ;) !01:29
xubuntu339no, i'm just wondering how come there's so many people if... you know01:29
xubuntu339well my installation completed, so i'm off lol01:29
xubuntu339bye :*01:29
knomexubuntu339, enjoy01:29
knomenencinip, almost01:30
nencinipsome one trouble with ram abuse with xubuntu and chrome ?01:30
nencinipknome :)01:30
nencinipHeeeeiiiiiii :)01:34
nencinipis there any one about Xubuntu ??01:35
knomeabout what?01:35
nencinipafter installed12 (fantastic), star browsing) it become very slow & use a lot of disk01:37
nencinipwhy ?01:37
knome12. what?01:37
knome12.04 or 12.10 ?01:37
nencinip(k8 1,5 Kb Ram)01:37
knome1,5KB? that's nothing... :)01:37
nencinipgood quest01:37
nencinipwhere an "about" ?01:38
nencinip12.1001:38
nencinipouuu sorry Gb01:39
nencinipnot a Vic20 :) !01:39
knomeright, have you looked at top?01:39
nencinipchrome 1 gb tot of ram used (most virtua) with 6 page opened, no other01:41
nencinipalso i've disable chrome(chrminum) cache01:41
knomehmm. sounds like a chrome problem. lots of tabs with flash?01:41
nencinip4 fb 2 simple old tabbed html style01:42
knomeweird. do you have similar experiences with other browsers?01:42
nencinipi 've notice that firefox do same01:42
nencinipyse01:42
nencinipues01:42
nencinipyes01:42
knomeit definitely sounds like a browser issue01:43
knomemaybe there's some flash stuff, that bumps the memory usage up really easily01:43
nencinipi notice some sync between disk & browsing01:44
knomehow much actual ram do you have?01:45
nencinipeven, no other expirience with other application01:45
knomeit's most certainly the browsers..01:45
nencinipand when start disk read, browser start noisly to lag01:45
nencinip1,5 GB01:45
knomeif they need to use swap, it's no wonder if they slow down01:46
nencinipit's possible to diagnose if dma is enabled ?01:46
nencinip(i dont know how  can do it)01:46
knomehttp://thedaneshproject.com/posts/how-to-enable-dma-in-linux/01:47
nenciniptnx01:47
nencinipi try some test with about dma01:49
nencinipnencinip# hdparm -d /dev/sdb01:55
nencinip/dev/sdb:01:55
nencinip HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device01:55
nenciniproot@nencinip-K8N:/home/nencinip# hdparm -d /dev/sda01:55
nencinip/dev/sda:01:55
nencinip HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device01:55
nencinipwhy ?01:55
knomedon't know01:56
nencinipXfce if really boost in this years02:08
nencinipligh, pretty & fully configurable, great02:09
nencinipknome, however thanks02:10
knomenp02:10
nencinipnp ?02:10
knome"no problem" :)02:11
nencinip:) ok, (it's my firm too :) NenciniP )02:12
nencinipbye02:21
CookieHi, what does orage globaltime record button do?04:09
tomatopotatosetting noapic in grub does not allow the suspend mode to work properly, the psu fan is still turning and it seem like the computer does not shut down, but when i push the button and turn of the computer and turn it on again, it resumes, is there any reason why it is like that? do i need to use a different option? because without noapic, i get a kernel panic error04:35
holsteintomatopotato: maybe you just cant suspend on that hardware.. at least not easily.. i might just try different kernels, though its challenging to test that sometimes from live CD's04:36
tomatopotatothe system is installed already04:36
tomatopotatowill noacpi or acpioff wmaybe work?04:37
holsteintomatopotato: correct.. im suggesting live CD's are an easy way to test other kernels on your hardware without modifying your current install04:37
holsteintomatopotato: i would just try all those options.. that wont take long to test.. but it could come down to just hardware support04:38
tomatopotatoic04:38
tomatopotatothnx04:38
tomatopotatois it the board or some component? the only component i have installed is an ati x1950 pro04:39
tomatopotatoi mean which could it be04:39
holsteintomatopotato: im guessing something on the board.. but i usually just troubleshoot different kernels til something works04:39
tomatopotatoic thnx again04:40
holsteintomatopotato: you can lspci and check some logs... and paste them here though.. someone might know04:40
tomatopotatook good idea04:40
tomatopotatohttp://pastebin.com/Cw9GCPY304:41
holsteintomatopotato: also, you could try the non xubuntu support channels and lists.. since its likely not xfce related and more about the kernel04:42
tomatopotatowhat would be the best channel to go for?04:43
holsteintomatopotato: it can get slow in here around this time04:43
holsteintomatopotato: hmm.... just #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel maybe? not sure... just somewhere with more eyes is what im thinking04:43
tomatopotatothnx04:44
=== `mOOse` is now known as m00se
xubuntu006hi everyone08:57
xubuntu006Just installing xubuntu now....it looks like it's come a LONG way since the last time I used it09:00
xubuntu006looks and feels fantastic09:00
=== marek_ is now known as Marek01
Marek01hello which language is used here? Just only English?11:22
Marek01does anybody know how to pass from Ubuntu 10.10 to xUbuntu 12.04 without reinstalling everything?11:23
Marek01I just have the CD with the mentioned release and am running Ubuntu 10.10.11:24
Ancientcookiehello11:47
knome!hi11:49
ubottuHi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!11:49
AncientcookieCan anyone help me here? I've got xubuntu 12.10 installed and when I use the free driver for my amd 6450 I get screentear when moving windows. when I use the proprietary driver and enable "tear free desktop" the tearing is gone, but now scrolling in firefox is very choppy. any Ideas??11:52
knomeAncientcookie, you could try disabling the "smooth scrolling" in firefox11:53
Ancientcookiedidn't make it better:/11:53
knomethen i'm out of ideas - i've no experience of amd11:54
Ancientcookieok, thanks.11:54
knomenp11:54
nikolamseems to me that 'Disk performance monitor' xfce panel applet does not care for displaying bars in colors, but displaying them in dark grey all the time, not quit able to distinguish to the black background. 12.04 LTS 64bit here11:58
nikolamnot quite able11:59
=== Celso is now known as slac
lesslesshello! I occasionally removed volume applet from the systray. How can I restore it? :)15:44
djtflessless: It should show up in the widget called Indicator Plugin; try adding it again.15:45
lesslessdjtf, yeah, that's it! thank you :))15:47
djtflessless: Good to hear.15:47
xubuntu076hello i can get the steam beta to work16:20
xubuntu076cant*16:20
pleia2xubuntu076: try #ubuntu-steam16:20
pleia2lots of people there who have been helping debug issues :)16:20
xubuntu076is that a irc ?16:21
pleia2yes, just like this is16:21
pleia2/join #ubuntu-steam16:21
xubuntu076 /join #ubuntu-steam16:21
pleia2no space :)16:21
xubuntu076many thanks16:22
PhoenixSTFdoes xfce got the side-border magnet type for application windows?16:55
PhoenixSTFauto resize to half of the screen?16:55
raytraymagnet type? You mean snapping or resistance? Yes. Auto resize to half.. not sure.16:56
PhoenixSTFhorizontal works... now vertical?16:58
PhoenixSTFgot it working17:03
PhoenixSTFty17:03
PhoenixSTFdoes ubuntu one works well under Xubuntu?17:10
PhoenixSTFsorry to barge in like this, but for laptop battery life and speed, 32 or 64 bit?17:23
baizonPhoenixSTF: what hardware?17:25
PhoenixSTFbaizon, Asus eeepc 1215b, APU e-350, 4Gb ddr317:27
baizonPhoenixSTF: 6417:27
baizongot the same one :D17:27
PhoenixSTFhey :D17:27
PhoenixSTFubuntu is too heavy for it17:28
PhoenixSTFso I am changing17:28
baizonyes, i switched from ubuntu to xubuntu :)17:28
baizonnow everything is smooth17:28
PhoenixSTFohh... really?17:28
baizonyep17:28
baizonbattery life went from 3:30 to 6:10 :)17:28
PhoenixSTFwith no jupiter?17:29
baizonno17:29
PhoenixSTFwill it make any diference to have jupiter?17:29
baizoni think it can :)17:29
PhoenixSTFhmm, man i tell you, Unity is not what I expected to be...17:30
baizoni like it very much17:33
baizonbut its slow and uses to much power17:33
PhoenixSTFthats is what mean, it's cute butr too heavy :(17:34
PhoenixSTFthey could do the dash button for xfce17:37
baizonim using synapse :) instead of dash17:38
PhoenixSTFchecking it17:51
CookieWhat does orage globaltime record button do?18:43
Cookiethat is under preferences18:43
well_laid_lawnCookie: if no one here knowss you could try in #xfce18:48
PhoenixSTFbaizon, what version of xubuntu you got on your laptop?18:54
IvarBfresh install of xubuntu 12.10 on a ordinary Dell laptop... couple of years old18:56
IvarBits running kinda hot, and I can hear the fan running all the time18:56
IvarBthis wasn't going on in ubuntu 12.0418:56
IvarBI haven't installed any thirdparty gfx drivers18:57
IvarBis there anything I can do about this?18:57
TheSheepuse powertop to see what is waking it up18:58
PhoenixSTFto top on the terminal and check what is pushing your cpu18:58
IvarBok18:58
IvarB100.0%                      Device         Audio codec hwC0D0: IDT19:00
IvarBnormal?19:00
PhoenixSTFnop19:00
TheSheepyes19:01
PhoenixSTFyes?19:01
IvarB... ?19:01
PhoenixSTFdid you tun top19:01
PhoenixSTF?19:01
IvarBrun?19:01
PhoenixSTFyes run19:01
PhoenixSTFon console19:02
IvarBhtop, top or powertop?19:03
IvarBhtop does not list anything out of the ordinary..19:03
IvarBX, htop and xfce is using around 1-2% cpu19:04
PhoenixSTFrun something that says what program is abusing your cpu19:06
IvarBnt20:01 < PhoenixSTF> yes?19:06
PhoenixSTFit can be task manager if you want19:06
IvarBI dont think anything is abusing the CPU19:06
IvarBbut something might be abusing the GPU?19:07
PhoenixSTFwhat is your gpu?19:07
IvarBVGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV730 XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4670]19:08
PhoenixSTFhave you installed the normal drivers?19:09
PhoenixSTFif any?19:09
PhoenixSTFproprietary?19:10
IvarBI don't think I did install any proprietary drivers when I installed xubuntu19:10
IvarBbut I might be wrong, if so... how do I check for that?19:10
PhoenixSTFcheck for fglrx19:12
PhoenixSTFif it is installed19:12
IvarBok19:15
IvarBits not19:15
PhoenixSTFseeting aditional drivers, do you have that?19:17
baizonPhoenixSTF: 12.1019:18
IvarBno, where/how do I get that?19:18
PhoenixSTFbaizon, upgrade or clean install?19:18
baizonclean19:19
PhoenixSTFIvarB, on settings-> aditional drivers19:19
IvarBPhoenixSTF: its not there...19:19
PhoenixSTFIvarB, sudo apt-get install fglrx19:20
PhoenixSTFtry it out19:20
PhoenixSTFno garantee ;)19:20
IvarBok19:21
PhoenixSTFbaizon, I put upgrade, I hope it turns out ok ;)19:21
baizonit will19:22
PhoenixSTFfrom ubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 12.1019:22
PhoenixSTFupdating usually leaves a bit of garbage19:22
PhoenixSTFright?19:23
djtfPhoenixSTF: what do you mean by garbage?19:23
PhoenixSTFnon needed or old packages19:24
PhoenixSTFand or programs19:24
djtfI wouldn't say 'usually,' but if an update isn't packaged quite right or if dependencies for a package are removed as part of an upgrade then it can.19:25
djtfyou can run19:25
djtfsudo apt-get autoremove19:25
IvarBPhoenixSTF: it has been installed, but it won't run19:26
IvarBfglrx19:26
PhoenixSTFIvarB, try and reboot19:26
IvarBtried log-out, log-in19:27
IvarBnot enough?19:27
PhoenixSTFIvarB, i dont think so, its a new driver that means probably the kernel needs to load something19:27
IvarBokay19:28
PhoenixSTFdjtf, yes I tough of that, but last upgrade I did didn't go soo well19:28
PhoenixSTFdjtf, lots of unmeet dependencies, loads of broken programs19:29
PhoenixSTFdjtf, I think it was from 10.10 to 11.0419:29
djtfPhoenixSTF: I can't say I've had any problems on the machine I've upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10, but that's only one box. I tend to stick to the LTS releases.19:32
IvarBok, screen-res went down to 1400x105019:32
PhoenixSTFdjtf, thanks anyway :)19:32
IvarBand AMD control center won't launch, because there are no drivers installed19:32
PhoenixSTFIvarB, what is your dell model?19:33
IvarBStudio XPS 1619:33
djtfPhoenixSTF: I have seen problems where plugins or patches for individual programs don't work after a distro upgrade due to a version change. From what I've read though, it sounds like the 12.04 > 12.10 change goes pretty smoothly. omgubuntu.co.uk has a pretty good article on it.19:33
IvarB1920x1080 default screen res19:33
PhoenixSTFdjtf, well if anything goes wrong i can always reinstall19:34
djtfPhoenixSTF: ha ha. that is a nice option :D19:35
PhoenixSTFIvarB, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=148420319:40
PhoenixSTFseems to be a usual problem19:40
PhoenixSTFIvarB, you can try and install from amd site, but no garantees it will work, some old laptops have these issues... more trial and error19:43
IvarBhmm yes19:46
PhoenixSTFbaizon, did you install anything for the gpu?19:47
baizonyes, fglrx19:47
PhoenixSTFso far so good19:48
PhoenixSTFIvarB, go to software sources19:49
PhoenixSTFthere you have something on adicional drivers19:50
PhoenixSTFbaizon, 134 processes, 5-9% cpu, mem 11%20:03
PhoenixSTFbaizon, does suspend works out of the box?20:16
baizonPhoenixSTF: dont know, not using it. Got an SSD20:20
PhoenixSTFlol20:21
=== billy_idle is now known as march
SiDihi pals20:44
SiDianybody using notify osd here?20:44
djtfI haven't used it in xubuntu, but I've set it up in Arch before; what's going on?20:50
SiDigreen background20:51
SiDiout of nowhere20:51
SiDi...20:51
djtf...weird. Any recent graphics updates?20:54
SiDiwell i installed official repos drivers20:56
SiDiand im kind of using an intel card20:57
SiDii dont know why id have issues20:57
djtfSiDi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/128474/how-to-customize-on-screen-notifications20:59
SiDifound that thanks :)20:59
SiDidjtf: moved onto an AUR package with built in patch21:07
SiDigot rid of canonical antiergonomic and antifoss craziness :)21:07
djtfSiDi: good to hear.21:15
xubuntu496hello21:28
PhoenixSTFhas anyone tried ubuntu one on xubuntu?21:29
xubuntu496i'm trying to remove the password prompt for xubuntu496 sudo as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo21:29
xubuntu496but it doesn't work21:29
xubuntu496anyone have any idea why?21:29
PhoenixSTFnot good idea?21:29
xubuntu496so i've been told, but i'm more interested in why it doesn't work21:29
xubuntu496it says it should, i don't know what i could have done wrong21:30
PhoenixSTFare you in sudo?21:31
PhoenixSTFis the user in sudoers file?21:32
xubuntu496he is21:33
xubuntu496it's me and i am always able to do "sudo -s"21:33
xubuntu496so now i just want to avoid having to enter password21:34
PhoenixSTFhave you log out and log in?21:34
xubuntu496well no...21:35
xubuntu496i'm gonna now :P21:35
xubuntu529lol it works after logging in again :)21:36
xubuntu529thank you :)21:36
xubuntu529well, bye :)21:37
PhoenixSTFyou need to read all instructions21:37
PhoenixSTF;)21:37
xubuntu529oh it does say that... didn't see it :o21:38
xubuntu529k, byebye :)21:38
MrDyneMy friend and I are building a desktop server to host our group's website and our own Minecraft server. I want to know if it's easier to build a web server out of Xubuntu or just install Xfce on Ubuntu Server so we can still use the server as a desktop.22:06
knomeMrDyne, if you need a lot of server software, i imagine installing xfce on ubuntu server is faster, but both ways should get you there22:07
malv1xubuntu should work on that xscreensaver lock splash screen22:08
knomemalv1, patches welcome22:08
MrDyneLAMP stack, ftp, ssh, vnc, java for Minecraft server. We still want it to be a desktop so we can play Minecraft on it  and also use Blender on it as it's a high end gamers desktop we are trying to build.22:08
malv1i can only offer encouragement at the moment22:09
knomeMrDyne, it really comes to how you want to do it. i don't have a strong preference, but my knee jerk reflex says go with server22:10
malv1also, I <3 XFCE22:10
knomemalv1, can you add that item to our roadmap in the wiki under new ideas? thanks. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/22:10
MrDyneI guess it's only wasted time... I'll start with Ubuntu Server and install on XFCE and the desktop software.22:11
knomemalv1, we're probably trying to do something to the screen locking stuff, but it doesn't hurt if we have a reminder22:11
MrDyneAnd see how it goes.22:11
knomeMrDyne, yeah :) good luck!22:11
malv1knome: ok. thanks22:11
knomemalv1, np22:11
MrDyneYa XFCE is very nice. I'm quite disappointed with Ubuntu Desktop, last time I tried it it seemed it had become OSX.22:12
MrDyneI have Xubuntu installed on a really old 1.6GHz AMD single core 1GB RAM desktop for a friend to get online. It powers right threw everything online just fine. Were as my Windows XP Dell 2400 lags like a piece of crap, and it doesn't even have A/V installed.22:17
tomatopotatois there a way to hide all icon names in osx?22:26
tomatopotatomean in xubuntu22:26
mistaknlyCAn anybody answer disk and network questions?23:53
SalmanHelp with desktop?23:56
mistaknlyis there hfs+ and exFAT support ?23:58

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