[00:49] <thank> hi
[00:50] <thank> how do i add and write "noapic" option permanent to grub?
[00:52] <knome> !grub2
[00:52] <knome> those links should help fixing the grub configuration
[00:52] <thank> mever mind, just figured out, thnx
[00:52] <knome> np
[00:53] <nicekiwi> grrr... how the $%&^%& do I edit the main apps menu in XFCE?
[00:53] <nicekiwi> the menu editor dosnt work and Ive edited the config files adn even they dont work
[00:53] <knome> nicekiwi, first step is to calm down and remember this is a family-friendly channel
[00:53] <nicekiwi> menulibre dosnt cover it either
[00:53] <nicekiwi> are % signs not friendly? :)
[00:54]  * nicekiwi im a nicekiwi, im a nicekiwi, im a nice kiwi.. deep breaths.. 
[00:54] <knome> nicekiwi, don't be nosey ;) obfuscated stuff is only a step away from the real thing... :)
[00:55] <knome> nicekiwi, what's the exact problem with the menu files?
[00:56] <nicekiwi> well i know how there a menu item for the Ubuntu software centre between 2 seperators, well I removed the USC cause I dont like it and  I want to either remove one of the seperators or add Synaptic where the USC used to be, but i cant do either
[00:56] <nicekiwi> you know*
[00:56] <knome> nicekiwi, open /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/menus/xfce-applications.menu with sudo
[00:56] <nicekiwi> the config files referenced .desktop files, so I changed the USC one to reference synaptic, but it still shows nothing
[00:57] <knome> nicekiwi, find a line that says <Layout>
[00:57] <knome> nicekiwi, around line 21
[00:57] <knome> nicekiwi, there's the actual menu layout. you want to edit that
[00:58] <nicekiwi> knome, yes. I have edited that
[00:58] <nicekiwi> in the slot that used to say USC it now has the filename of the synatpci .desktop file
[00:58] <nicekiwi> ive rebooted since I edited it and still no chnage
[00:59] <knome> nicekiwi, right, if you want to change it to synaptic, find the <Include> line (above <Layout>, around 11)
[00:59] <knome> nicekiwi, then change USC to synaptic there as well
[01:01] <nicekiwi> knome, oooo.. didnt see that before,
[01:01] <nicekiwi> kj4, now how do I see if it worked?
[01:01] <nicekiwi> opps
[01:01] <nicekiwi> knome, , now how do I see if it worked?
[01:01] <knome> save the file, wait like 2 seconds, and open the menu
[01:03] <nicekiwi> knome, the menu has no chnaged
[01:04] <knome> nicekiwi, are you using "the default" menu file?
[01:06] <nicekiwi> knome, nvm works now, was using the full name of the app, but the .desktop filename
[01:06] <nicekiwi> not the*
[01:06] <knome> nicekiwi, great :)
[01:06] <nicekiwi> ty for ur help
[01:07] <knome> no problem
[01:25] <nencinip> Hello :)
[01:26] <nencinip> Is here someone on ?
[01:28] <knome> no, we're all hiding
[01:28] <nencinip> :)
[01:28] <xubuntu339> why's there so many people here, but nobody is talking about anything :o
[01:28] <knome> nobody has a problem
[01:28] <xubuntu339> well of course, it's Linux :P
[01:28] <knome> if you want general chatter, we have #xubuntu-offtopic for that
[01:29] <nencinip> sssssz all sllep :) ;) !
[01:29] <xubuntu339> no, i'm just wondering how come there's so many people if... you know
[01:29] <xubuntu339> well my installation completed, so i'm off lol
[01:29] <xubuntu339> bye :*
[01:29] <knome> xubuntu339, enjoy
[01:30] <knome> nencinip, almost
[01:30] <nencinip> some one trouble with ram abuse with xubuntu and chrome ?
[01:30] <nencinip> knome :)
[01:34] <nencinip> Heeeeiiiiiii :)
[01:35] <nencinip> is there any one about Xubuntu ??
[01:35] <knome> about what?
[01:37] <nencinip> after installed12 (fantastic), star browsing) it become very slow & use a lot of disk
[01:37] <nencinip> why ?
[01:37] <knome> 12. what?
[01:37] <knome> 12.04 or 12.10 ?
[01:37] <nencinip> (k8 1,5 Kb Ram)
[01:37] <knome> 1,5KB? that's nothing... :)
[01:37] <nencinip> good quest
[01:38] <nencinip> where an "about" ?
[01:38] <nencinip> 12.10
[01:39] <nencinip> ouuu sorry Gb
[01:39] <nencinip> not a Vic20 :) !
[01:39] <knome> right, have you looked at top?
[01:41] <nencinip> chrome 1 gb tot of ram used (most virtua) with 6 page opened, no other
[01:41] <nencinip> also i've disable chrome(chrminum) cache
[01:41] <knome> hmm. sounds like a chrome problem. lots of tabs with flash?
[01:42] <nencinip> 4 fb 2 simple old tabbed html style
[01:42] <knome> weird. do you have similar experiences with other browsers?
[01:42] <nencinip> i 've notice that firefox do same
[01:42] <nencinip> yse
[01:42] <nencinip> ues
[01:42] <nencinip> yes
[01:43] <knome> it definitely sounds like a browser issue
[01:43] <knome> maybe there's some flash stuff, that bumps the memory usage up really easily
[01:44] <nencinip> i notice some sync between disk & browsing
[01:45] <knome> how much actual ram do you have?
[01:45] <nencinip> even, no other expirience with other application
[01:45] <knome> it's most certainly the browsers..
[01:45] <nencinip> and when start disk read, browser start noisly to lag
[01:45] <nencinip> 1,5 GB
[01:46] <knome> if they need to use swap, it's no wonder if they slow down
[01:46] <nencinip> it's possible to diagnose if dma is enabled ?
[01:46] <nencinip> (i dont know how  can do it)
[01:47] <knome> http://thedaneshproject.com/posts/how-to-enable-dma-in-linux/
[01:47] <nencinip> tnx
[01:49] <nencinip> i try some test with about dma
[01:55] <nencinip> nencinip# hdparm -d /dev/sdb
[01:55] <nencinip> /dev/sdb:
[01:55] <nencinip>  HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[01:55] <nencinip> root@nencinip-K8N:/home/nencinip# hdparm -d /dev/sda
[01:55] <nencinip> /dev/sda:
[01:55] <nencinip>  HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[01:55] <nencinip> why ?
[01:56] <knome> don't know
[02:08] <nencinip> Xfce if really boost in this years
[02:09] <nencinip> ligh, pretty & fully configurable, great
[02:10] <nencinip> knome, however thanks
[02:10] <knome> np
[02:10] <nencinip> np ?
[02:11] <knome> "no problem" :)
[02:12] <nencinip> :) ok, (it's my firm too :) NenciniP )
[02:21] <nencinip> bye
[04:09] <Cookie> Hi, what does orage globaltime record button do?
[04:35] <tomatopotato> setting noapic in grub does not allow the suspend mode to work properly, the psu fan is still turning and it seem like the computer does not shut down, but when i push the button and turn of the computer and turn it on again, it resumes, is there any reason why it is like that? do i need to use a different option? because without noapic, i get a kernel panic error
[04:36] <holstein> tomatopotato: maybe you just cant suspend on that hardware.. at least not easily.. i might just try different kernels, though its challenging to test that sometimes from live CD's
[04:36] <tomatopotato> the system is installed already
[04:37] <tomatopotato> will noacpi or acpioff wmaybe work?
[04:37] <holstein> tomatopotato: correct.. im suggesting live CD's are an easy way to test other kernels on your hardware without modifying your current install
[04:38] <holstein> tomatopotato: i would just try all those options.. that wont take long to test.. but it could come down to just hardware support
[04:38] <tomatopotato> ic
[04:38] <tomatopotato> thnx
[04:39] <tomatopotato> is it the board or some component? the only component i have installed is an ati x1950 pro
[04:39] <tomatopotato> i mean which could it be
[04:39] <holstein> tomatopotato: im guessing something on the board.. but i usually just troubleshoot different kernels til something works
[04:40] <tomatopotato> ic thnx again
[04:40] <holstein> tomatopotato: you can lspci and check some logs... and paste them here though.. someone might know
[04:40] <tomatopotato> ok good idea
[04:41] <tomatopotato> http://pastebin.com/Cw9GCPY3
[04:42] <holstein> tomatopotato: also, you could try the non xubuntu support channels and lists.. since its likely not xfce related and more about the kernel
[04:43] <tomatopotato> what would be the best channel to go for?
[04:43] <holstein> tomatopotato: it can get slow in here around this time
[04:43] <holstein> tomatopotato: hmm.... just #ubuntu or #ubuntu-kernel maybe? not sure... just somewhere with more eyes is what im thinking
[04:44] <tomatopotato> thnx
[08:57] <xubuntu006> hi everyone
[09:00] <xubuntu006> Just installing xubuntu now....it looks like it's come a LONG way since the last time I used it
[09:00] <xubuntu006> looks and feels fantastic
[11:22] <Marek01> hello which language is used here? Just only English?
[11:23] <Marek01> does anybody know how to pass from Ubuntu 10.10 to xUbuntu 12.04 without reinstalling everything?
[11:24] <Marek01> I just have the CD with the mentioned release and am running Ubuntu 10.10.
[11:47] <Ancientcookie> hello
[11:49] <knome> !hi
[11:52] <Ancientcookie> Can anyone help me here? I've got xubuntu 12.10 installed and when I use the free driver for my amd 6450 I get screentear when moving windows. when I use the proprietary driver and enable "tear free desktop" the tearing is gone, but now scrolling in firefox is very choppy. any Ideas??
[11:53] <knome> Ancientcookie, you could try disabling the "smooth scrolling" in firefox
[11:53] <Ancientcookie> didn't make it better:/
[11:54] <knome> then i'm out of ideas - i've no experience of amd
[11:54] <Ancientcookie> ok, thanks.
[11:54] <knome> np
[11:58] <nikolam> seems to me that 'Disk performance monitor' xfce panel applet does not care for displaying bars in colors, but displaying them in dark grey all the time, not quit able to distinguish to the black background. 12.04 LTS 64bit here
[11:59] <nikolam> not quite able
[15:44] <lessless> hello! I occasionally removed volume applet from the systray. How can I restore it? :)
[15:45] <djtf> lessless: It should show up in the widget called Indicator Plugin; try adding it again.
[15:47] <lessless> djtf, yeah, that's it! thank you :))
[15:47] <djtf> lessless: Good to hear.
[16:20] <xubuntu076> hello i can get the steam beta to work
[16:20] <xubuntu076> cant*
[16:20] <pleia2> xubuntu076: try #ubuntu-steam
[16:20] <pleia2> lots of people there who have been helping debug issues :)
[16:21] <xubuntu076> is that a irc ?
[16:21] <pleia2> yes, just like this is
[16:21] <pleia2> /join #ubuntu-steam
[16:21] <xubuntu076>  /join #ubuntu-steam
[16:21] <pleia2> no space :)
[16:22] <xubuntu076> many thanks
[16:55] <PhoenixSTF> does xfce got the side-border magnet type for application windows?
[16:55] <PhoenixSTF> auto resize to half of the screen?
[16:56] <raytray> magnet type? You mean snapping or resistance? Yes. Auto resize to half.. not sure.
[16:58] <PhoenixSTF> horizontal works... now vertical?
[17:03] <PhoenixSTF> got it working
[17:03] <PhoenixSTF> ty
[17:10] <PhoenixSTF> does ubuntu one works well under Xubuntu?
[17:23] <PhoenixSTF> sorry to barge in like this, but for laptop battery life and speed, 32 or 64 bit?
[17:25] <baizon> PhoenixSTF: what hardware?
[17:27] <PhoenixSTF> baizon, Asus eeepc 1215b, APU e-350, 4Gb ddr3
[17:27] <baizon> PhoenixSTF: 64
[17:27] <baizon> got the same one :D
[17:27] <PhoenixSTF> hey :D
[17:28] <PhoenixSTF> ubuntu is too heavy for it
[17:28] <PhoenixSTF> so I am changing
[17:28] <baizon> yes, i switched from ubuntu to xubuntu :)
[17:28] <baizon> now everything is smooth
[17:28] <PhoenixSTF> ohh... really?
[17:28] <baizon> yep
[17:28] <baizon> battery life went from 3:30 to 6:10 :)
[17:29] <PhoenixSTF> with no jupiter?
[17:29] <baizon> no
[17:29] <PhoenixSTF> will it make any diference to have jupiter?
[17:29] <baizon> i think it can :)
[17:30] <PhoenixSTF> hmm, man i tell you, Unity is not what I expected to be...
[17:33] <baizon> i like it very much
[17:33] <baizon> but its slow and uses to much power
[17:34] <PhoenixSTF> thats is what mean, it's cute butr too heavy :(
[17:37] <PhoenixSTF> they could do the dash button for xfce
[17:38] <baizon> im using synapse :) instead of dash
[17:51] <PhoenixSTF> checking it
[18:43] <Cookie> What does orage globaltime record button do?
[18:43] <Cookie> that is under preferences
[18:48] <well_laid_lawn> Cookie: if no one here knowss you could try in #xfce
[18:54] <PhoenixSTF> baizon, what version of xubuntu you got on your laptop?
[18:56] <IvarB> fresh install of xubuntu 12.10 on a ordinary Dell laptop... couple of years old
[18:56] <IvarB> its running kinda hot, and I can hear the fan running all the time
[18:56] <IvarB> this wasn't going on in ubuntu 12.04
[18:57] <IvarB> I haven't installed any thirdparty gfx drivers
[18:57] <IvarB> is there anything I can do about this?
[18:58] <TheSheep> use powertop to see what is waking it up
[18:58] <PhoenixSTF> to top on the terminal and check what is pushing your cpu
[18:58] <IvarB> ok
[19:00] <IvarB> 100.0%                      Device         Audio codec hwC0D0: IDT
[19:00] <IvarB> normal?
[19:00] <PhoenixSTF> nop
[19:01] <TheSheep> yes
[19:01] <PhoenixSTF> yes?
[19:01] <IvarB> ... ?
[19:01] <PhoenixSTF> did you tun top
[19:01] <PhoenixSTF> ?
[19:01] <IvarB> run?
[19:01] <PhoenixSTF> yes run
[19:02] <PhoenixSTF> on console
[19:03] <IvarB> htop, top or powertop?
[19:03] <IvarB> htop does not list anything out of the ordinary..
[19:04] <IvarB> X, htop and xfce is using around 1-2% cpu
[19:06] <PhoenixSTF> run something that says what program is abusing your cpu
[19:06] <IvarB> nt20:01 < PhoenixSTF> yes?
[19:06] <PhoenixSTF> it can be task manager if you want
[19:06] <IvarB> I dont think anything is abusing the CPU
[19:07] <IvarB> but something might be abusing the GPU?
[19:07] <PhoenixSTF> what is your gpu?
[19:08] <IvarB> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV730 XT [Mobility Radeon HD 4670]
[19:09] <PhoenixSTF> have you installed the normal drivers?
[19:09] <PhoenixSTF> if any?
[19:10] <PhoenixSTF> proprietary?
[19:10] <IvarB> I don't think I did install any proprietary drivers when I installed xubuntu
[19:10] <IvarB> but I might be wrong, if so... how do I check for that?
[19:12] <PhoenixSTF> check for fglrx
[19:12] <PhoenixSTF> if it is installed
[19:15] <IvarB> ok
[19:15] <IvarB> its not
[19:17] <PhoenixSTF> seeting aditional drivers, do you have that?
[19:18] <baizon> PhoenixSTF: 12.10
[19:18] <IvarB> no, where/how do I get that?
[19:18] <PhoenixSTF> baizon, upgrade or clean install?
[19:19] <baizon> clean
[19:19] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, on settings-> aditional drivers
[19:19] <IvarB> PhoenixSTF: its not there...
[19:20] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, sudo apt-get install fglrx
[19:20] <PhoenixSTF> try it out
[19:20] <PhoenixSTF> no garantee ;)
[19:21] <IvarB> ok
[19:21] <PhoenixSTF> baizon, I put upgrade, I hope it turns out ok ;)
[19:22] <baizon> it will
[19:22] <PhoenixSTF> from ubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 12.10
[19:22] <PhoenixSTF> updating usually leaves a bit of garbage
[19:23] <PhoenixSTF> right?
[19:23] <djtf> PhoenixSTF: what do you mean by garbage?
[19:24] <PhoenixSTF> non needed or old packages
[19:24] <PhoenixSTF> and or programs
[19:25] <djtf> I wouldn't say 'usually,' but if an update isn't packaged quite right or if dependencies for a package are removed as part of an upgrade then it can.
[19:25] <djtf> you can run
[19:25] <djtf> sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:26] <IvarB> PhoenixSTF: it has been installed, but it won't run
[19:26] <IvarB> fglrx
[19:26] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, try and reboot
[19:27] <IvarB> tried log-out, log-in
[19:27] <IvarB> not enough?
[19:27] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, i dont think so, its a new driver that means probably the kernel needs to load something
[19:28] <IvarB> okay
[19:28] <PhoenixSTF> djtf, yes I tough of that, but last upgrade I did didn't go soo well
[19:29] <PhoenixSTF> djtf, lots of unmeet dependencies, loads of broken programs
[19:29] <PhoenixSTF> djtf, I think it was from 10.10 to 11.04
[19:32] <djtf> PhoenixSTF: I can't say I've had any problems on the machine I've upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10, but that's only one box. I tend to stick to the LTS releases.
[19:32] <IvarB> ok, screen-res went down to 1400x1050
[19:32] <PhoenixSTF> djtf, thanks anyway :)
[19:32] <IvarB> and AMD control center won't launch, because there are no drivers installed
[19:33] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, what is your dell model?
[19:33] <IvarB> Studio XPS 16
[19:33] <djtf> PhoenixSTF: I have seen problems where plugins or patches for individual programs don't work after a distro upgrade due to a version change. From what I've read though, it sounds like the 12.04 > 12.10 change goes pretty smoothly. omgubuntu.co.uk has a pretty good article on it.
[19:33] <IvarB> 1920x1080 default screen res
[19:34] <PhoenixSTF> djtf, well if anything goes wrong i can always reinstall
[19:35] <djtf> PhoenixSTF: ha ha. that is a nice option :D
[19:40] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1484203
[19:40] <PhoenixSTF> seems to be a usual problem
[19:43] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, you can try and install from amd site, but no garantees it will work, some old laptops have these issues... more trial and error
[19:46] <IvarB> hmm yes
[19:47] <PhoenixSTF> baizon, did you install anything for the gpu?
[19:47] <baizon> yes, fglrx
[19:48] <PhoenixSTF> so far so good
[19:49] <PhoenixSTF> IvarB, go to software sources
[19:50] <PhoenixSTF> there you have something on adicional drivers
[20:03] <PhoenixSTF> baizon, 134 processes, 5-9% cpu, mem 11%
[20:16] <PhoenixSTF> baizon, does suspend works out of the box?
[20:20] <baizon> PhoenixSTF: dont know, not using it. Got an SSD
[20:21] <PhoenixSTF> lol
[20:44] <SiDi> hi pals
[20:44] <SiDi> anybody using notify osd here?
[20:50] <djtf> I haven't used it in xubuntu, but I've set it up in Arch before; what's going on?
[20:51] <SiDi> green background
[20:51] <SiDi> out of nowhere
[20:51] <SiDi> ...
[20:54] <djtf> ...weird. Any recent graphics updates?
[20:56] <SiDi> well i installed official repos drivers
[20:57] <SiDi> and im kind of using an intel card
[20:57] <SiDi> i dont know why id have issues
[20:59] <djtf> SiDi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/128474/how-to-customize-on-screen-notifications
[20:59] <SiDi> found that thanks :)
[21:07] <SiDi> djtf: moved onto an AUR package with built in patch
[21:07] <SiDi> got rid of canonical antiergonomic and antifoss craziness :)
[21:15] <djtf> SiDi: good to hear.
[21:28] <xubuntu496> hello
[21:29] <PhoenixSTF> has anyone tried ubuntu one on xubuntu?
[21:29] <xubuntu496> i'm trying to remove the password prompt for xubuntu496 sudo as described here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:29] <xubuntu496> but it doesn't work
[21:29] <xubuntu496> anyone have any idea why?
[21:29] <PhoenixSTF> not good idea?
[21:29] <xubuntu496> so i've been told, but i'm more interested in why it doesn't work
[21:30] <xubuntu496> it says it should, i don't know what i could have done wrong
[21:31] <PhoenixSTF> are you in sudo?
[21:32] <PhoenixSTF> is the user in sudoers file?
[21:33] <xubuntu496> he is
[21:33] <xubuntu496> it's me and i am always able to do "sudo -s"
[21:34] <xubuntu496> so now i just want to avoid having to enter password
[21:34] <PhoenixSTF> have you log out and log in?
[21:35] <xubuntu496> well no...
[21:35] <xubuntu496> i'm gonna now :P
[21:36] <xubuntu529> lol it works after logging in again :)
[21:36] <xubuntu529> thank you :)
[21:37] <xubuntu529> well, bye :)
[21:37] <PhoenixSTF> you need to read all instructions
[21:37] <PhoenixSTF> ;)
[21:38] <xubuntu529> oh it does say that... didn't see it :o
[21:38] <xubuntu529> k, byebye :)
[22:06] <MrDyne> My friend and I are building a desktop server to host our group's website and our own Minecraft server. I want to know if it's easier to build a web server out of Xubuntu or just install Xfce on Ubuntu Server so we can still use the server as a desktop.
[22:07] <knome> MrDyne, if you need a lot of server software, i imagine installing xfce on ubuntu server is faster, but both ways should get you there
[22:08] <malv1> xubuntu should work on that xscreensaver lock splash screen
[22:08] <knome> malv1, patches welcome
[22:08] <MrDyne> LAMP stack, ftp, ssh, vnc, java for Minecraft server. We still want it to be a desktop so we can play Minecraft on it  and also use Blender on it as it's a high end gamers desktop we are trying to build.
[22:09] <malv1> i can only offer encouragement at the moment
[22:10] <knome> MrDyne, it really comes to how you want to do it. i don't have a strong preference, but my knee jerk reflex says go with server
[22:10] <malv1> also, I <3 XFCE
[22:10] <knome> malv1, can you add that item to our roadmap in the wiki under new ideas? thanks. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/
[22:11] <MrDyne> I guess it's only wasted time... I'll start with Ubuntu Server and install on XFCE and the desktop software.
[22:11] <knome> malv1, we're probably trying to do something to the screen locking stuff, but it doesn't hurt if we have a reminder
[22:11] <MrDyne> And see how it goes.
[22:11] <knome> MrDyne, yeah :) good luck!
[22:11] <malv1> knome: ok. thanks
[22:11] <knome> malv1, np
[22:12] <MrDyne> Ya XFCE is very nice. I'm quite disappointed with Ubuntu Desktop, last time I tried it it seemed it had become OSX.
[22:17] <MrDyne> I have Xubuntu installed on a really old 1.6GHz AMD single core 1GB RAM desktop for a friend to get online. It powers right threw everything online just fine. Were as my Windows XP Dell 2400 lags like a piece of crap, and it doesn't even have A/V installed.
[22:26] <tomatopotato> is there a way to hide all icon names in osx?
[22:26] <tomatopotato> mean in xubuntu
[23:53] <mistaknly> CAn anybody answer disk and network questions?
[23:56] <Salman> Help with desktop?
[23:58] <mistaknly> is there hfs+ and exFAT support ?