[14:02] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[14:02] <tumbleweed> hi
[14:03] <tumbleweed> warning, I'm in the middle of a "planned" outage at work, so my attention is divided
[14:05] <bdrung> anyone else? we are not enough even with Laney
[14:07]  * stgraber waves
[14:07] <stgraber> my phone thinks the meeting is in an hour though
[14:08] <bdrung> DST?
[14:08] <stgraber> and it's wrong ;)
[14:08] <stgraber> yeah, apparently my calendar event was on some weird timezone instead of UTC
[14:09] <tumbleweed> who owns the event?
[14:09] <tumbleweed> (do we know?)
[14:09] <bdrung> barry
[14:10] <bdrung> tumbleweed: or you if we skip unavailable members
[14:11] <tumbleweed> I meant the fridge calendar event. The person who put it there can change its timezone
[14:11] <bdrung> ups. dunno
[14:12] <tumbleweed> bdrung: aren't you the chair after barry?
[14:13] <tumbleweed> I thought we went in the order of https://launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+members
[14:13] <bdrung> tumbleweed: i was chair when stgraber wasn't attending
[14:14] <bdrung> so i will be skipped once
[14:14] <tumbleweed> wow, I am next then
[14:14] <stgraber> congratulations :)
[14:14] <tumbleweed> ok, so shall we get this rolling, we're pretty late already
[14:14] <wookey> :-)
[14:14] <tumbleweed> #startmeeting Developer Membership Board
[14:15] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 19 14:14:59 2012 UTC.  The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:15] <tumbleweed> #topic Review of previous action items
[14:15] <tumbleweed> stgraber: is the wiki up to date, there?
[14:15] <tumbleweed> they all belong to micahg, as usual:
[14:15] <tumbleweed>     micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[14:15] <tumbleweed>     micahg to ask docs people if they want to apply for a packageset
[14:15] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yep
[14:16] <tumbleweed> so, moving on
[14:17] <tumbleweed> #topic Core Developer Application for Wookey
[14:17] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wookey/DeveloperApplication
[14:17] <tumbleweed> wookey: would you care to introduce your application?
[14:18] <wookey> erm, yes.
[14:18] <wookey> I've been a DD for over a decade, and recently have been doing some Ubuntu work as side-effect of being in Linaro
[14:19] <wookey> I've doing things that affect $everything: cross-building, and multiarch
[14:19] <wookey> And when debian is frozen it makes sense to upload things to ubuntu directly
[14:20] <wookey> I've been filing patches for some time now and have been encouraged to apply for actual membership so I can do stuff without having to pester others for Ubuntu uploads
[14:20] <wookey> Obviously I can do Debian uploads as required already
[14:21] <wookey> that's the core of it
[14:21] <tumbleweed> thanks
[14:21] <tumbleweed> questions for wookey?
[14:22] <wookey> currently I'm doing the arm64 bootstrap, mostly in Ubuntu because the multiarch state is much more advanced here
[14:22] <barry> sorry folks, system problems this morning :(
[14:24] <wookey> look - shiny results: http://people.linaro.org/~wookey/buildd/quantal-arm64/sbuild-ma/status-bootstrap.html
[14:25] <tumbleweed> I assume everyone is still busy re-reading your appplication (or twiddling their thumbs or something)
[14:25] <tumbleweed> wookey: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[14:25] <wookey> Or there are no questions :-)
[14:26] <wookey> tumbleweed: I don't think so
[14:26] <wookey> Easy enough to fix
[14:26] <xnox> wookey: did any of ubuntu / lp systems require two names?
[14:26] <bdrung> i just checked xdeb. the current situation looks good.
[14:26] <tumbleweed> thanks, it's where freezes etc are announced
[14:26] <wookey> xnox: not that I recall - pleasingly little agravation on that front
[14:27] <xnox> wookey: ok cool.
[14:27] <wookey> yes xdeb is in maintenance mode now really
[14:27] <xnox> (for context http://wookware.org/name.html )
[14:27] <wookey> multiarch is the one true way forward
[14:29] <wookey> OK. subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce
[14:29] <barry> wookey: you have experience in developing software for debian, ubuntu, and linaro.  how would you compare the workflows, and what do you think would be the 1-3 most important things to do to improve developing and sharing s/w across all three communities?
[14:30] <wookey> The presuambly tell me when we enter 'stopped syncing' and 'feature freeze' etc?
[14:30] <wookey> Hmm. potentially long-answer question :-)
[14:30] <wookey> I was surprsied how much difference there is in internal process between debian and Ubuntu.
[14:30] <barry> wookey: agreed
[14:31] <wookey> That part is almost completely different in many ways
[14:31] <wookey> Linaro was effectively just camping on ubuntu processes/machinery for 1st two years, but is now trying to separate itself
[14:31] <wookey> I think the sharing part is much more about culture than process
[14:32] <wookey> I pretty-much ignored Ubuntu for years, probably like many DDs as 'just another derivative' and not really anything I had to take much notice of beyond getting occaisional patch back
[14:32] <wookey> And that was just habit.
[14:33] <bdrung> what changed then?
[14:33] <wookey> BUt once I had a reason to use it I found some thing easier to get done in Ubuntu than debian, due to very-fast patch turnaround
[14:33] <wookey> I got a job where a) official desktop was Ubuntu (ARM), and images being produced were ubuntu (linaro)
[14:34] <wookey> Now that I understand the Ubuntu processes I view Debian and Ubuntu as essentially 'the same thing'
[14:34] <wookey> And just do work fixes in both as much as possible, with a bias to doing it in Debian first as that's less work all round
[14:35] <wookey> I think zak has done a great job of getting Debian and Ubuntu to ignore each other less
[14:35] <barry> wookey: quick question: when you work on ubuntu packages, do you generally apt-get source or bzr branch?
[14:36] <wookey> So I guess the answer to the question is 'nurture the projects that encourage upstreaming and cross-distro work'
[14:36] <wookey> I'm old-fashion - I apt-get source
[14:36] <wookey> I was just reading the merging page and thing that maybe I should look at useing that work-flow
[14:36] <wookey> thinking
[14:37] <wookey> Because it'll be easier to keep moving patches forward that aren't fully upstremaed yet.
[14:37] <barry> wookey: cool, thanks for your answers (there's no right or wrong answer, i am just curious :)
[14:37] <stgraber> wookey: So, let's say you want to get mythtv into precise-updates on the 15th of January 2013 for a fix that's just been published upstream. What would you do and what can you do?
[14:37] <wookey> It is hard work keeping track of patches in quantal/raring/unstable/experiemntal
[14:38] <wookey> I'd go read the ubuntu developer docs, and then probably ask someone to check
[14:38] <wookey> One good thing about ubuntu is that process is _much_ better documented than debian
[14:39] <stgraber> how much do you currently know about the SRU process? did you do any SRU?
[14:40] <wookey> I have done a couple of SRUs yes
[14:40] <tumbleweed> after this question is complete, we'll go to a vote
[14:40] <stgraber> ok, so if you get a fix into Debian experimental that you want into precise-updates, where should you upload that fix?
[14:42] <wookey> sorry someon asking questions here
[14:42] <wookey> I was wondering today whether Ubuntu ever pulls from experiemntal. The docs say only from testing or unstable
[14:43] <wookey> So I presume you never do that.
[14:43] <stgraber> well, you can manually sync from experimental, syncpackage lets you do that, we just don't do it automatically
[14:44] <stgraber> so let's say you have the new version into raring (as it's where it needs to land first anyway), where do you go from there to get it into precise-updates?
[14:44] <bdrung> we often sync from experimental when debian is in freeze
[14:44] <wookey> OK, so I guess I'd file an SRU requesting tosync/merge the version from experiemental
[14:45] <stgraber> tumbleweed: I guess we're out of time, we probably should vote now
[14:45] <tumbleweed> yeah
[14:45] <wookey> I don't know. I'd ask #release on IRC
[14:46] <tumbleweed> #voters stgraber barry tumbleweed bdrung Laney
[14:46] <meetingology> Current voters: Laney barry bdrung stgraber tumbleweed
[14:46] <tumbleweed> #vote grant wookey core-dev rights?
[14:46] <meetingology> Please vote on: grant wookey core-dev rights?
[14:46] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:47] <stgraber> +0 [Not satisfied regarding the knowledge of Ubuntu processes but on the other hand, I'm sure wookey will ask before doing anything he doesn't know]
[14:47] <meetingology> +0 [Not satisfied regarding the knowledge of Ubuntu processes but on the other hand, I'm sure wookey will ask before doing anything he doesn't know] received from stgraber
[14:48] <barry> +0 [more familiarity w/ubuntu process would be good, but i think by asking lots of question for bits you don't know, you'll be okay]
[14:48] <meetingology> +0 [more familiarity w/ubuntu process would be good, but i think by asking lots of question for bits you don't know, you'll be okay] received from barry
[14:50] <tumbleweed> +1 [ I'm also concerned about the ubuntu process knowledge, I am fairly confident that this wouldn't be dangerous to the project, but would expect more from a core-dev ]
[14:50] <meetingology> +1 [ I'm also concerned about the ubuntu process knowledge, I am fairly confident that this wouldn't be dangerous to the project, but would expect more from a core-dev ] received from tumbleweed
[14:50] <tumbleweed> err that was supposed to be +0, edting ftl
[14:50] <tumbleweed> +0
[14:50] <meetingology> +0 received from tumbleweed
[14:51] <tumbleweed> bdrung: ?
[14:53] <bdrung> +0 [ same option as the other voters ]
[14:53] <meetingology> +0 [ same option as the other voters ] received from bdrung
[14:53] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[14:53] <meetingology> Voting ended on: grant wookey core-dev rights?
[14:53] <meetingology> Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:4
[14:53] <meetingology> Deadlock, casting vote may be used
[14:53] <tumbleweed> pish, meetingology
[14:54] <tumbleweed> wookey: I'm sorry we couldn't accept your application right now. I suggest getting a little more experience with the procedures around SRUs and freezes
[14:54] <wookey> yeah. fair enough. It wasn;t me that said I was ready :-)
[14:55] <tumbleweed> hope to see you again soon
[14:55] <wookey> I've usually dealing with unstable /letest, so have not worried about SRUs much
[14:55] <tumbleweed> #topic Dmitry Shachnev's PPU application for retext and unity-mail
[14:55] <mitya57> Hi barry, bdrung, stgraber, tumbleweed!
[14:56] <barry> hi mitya57
[14:56] <tumbleweed> mitya57: hi, we're able to run over time a little
[14:56] <stgraber> wookey: I have no doubt that you are ready from a technical point of view but the freezes and SRU processes are important when contributing to the Ubuntu project so I hope to see you apply again soon
[14:56] <tumbleweed> so, we should be able to process your application
[14:56] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DmitryShachnev/PPUApplication
[14:56] <tumbleweed> mitya57: please introduce yourself and your application
[14:56] <mitya57> OK
[14:57] <mitya57> I'm developer of ReText editor and some other smaller projects, usually written in Python
[14:57] <mitya57> In Ubuntu, I'm involved with my apps, their dependencies, and some python stuff
[14:57] <mitya57> Last week I was, for example, adding/fixing dep-8 tests for pygments, python-markdown and nose
[14:57] <mitya57> Earlier this cycle I was involved with Python 3.3 transition of sphinx/python-docutils
[14:58] <mitya57> I'm also Ubuntu packaging guide contributor and do some other random things
[14:58] <mitya57> ... and I'm also Debian maintainer (since this spring) and member of some teams there (Python + JavaScript)
[14:59] <mitya57> I would like to start with these two packages because these are my "oldest" ones and I've done more uploads for them than for anything else
[15:00] <tumbleweed> I saw very little discussion of your Debian work on your application. For reference - http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Dmitry%20Shachnev
[15:01] <mitya57> tumbleweed, in fact, I'm having 4 unsponsored items in Debian right now, so that list will grow soon
[15:01] <mitya57> (I hope)
[15:01] <tumbleweed> :)
[15:01] <tumbleweed> any questions for mitya57?
[15:01] <bdrung> mitya57: why is unity-mail a native package?
[15:02] <mitya57> bdrung, because it was written exclusively for Ubuntu and I maintain packaging in the same branch as source code
[15:03] <bdrung> mitya57: maybe one day unity can be deployed on other systems than Ubuntu (e.g. Debian). will it be still good to have it as native package?
[15:04] <mitya57> bdrung, I think it is possible to change format in future
[15:04] <mitya57> but right now I don't see any need
[15:04]  * Laney phases in
[15:04] <mitya57> Hi Laney
[15:05] <barry> mitya57: how painful has it been working with quilt in udd branches?
[15:05] <bdrung> barry: very painful (that's what i remember from my last try)
[15:05] <mitya57> barry: for example, patches are stored applied by default but when I create a new patch, it doesn't get applied by default
[15:06] <barry> mitya57: i know ;}
[15:06] <mitya57> and also there are some packages whose maintainers don't care about making them build twice in a row,
[15:06] <mitya57> so when you clone such a package from udd it won't build
[15:06] <barry> mitya57: perhaps the build tools should help enforce that?
[15:06] <mitya57> "nose" is my recent example
[15:07] <mitya57> barry, of course, but I meant it's not perfect _by default_
[15:09] <barry> mitya57: in the meantime, we could improve the docs i suppose.  i can't recall anywhere where this issue is even discussed (though it comes up in sponsor reviews)
[15:11] <tumbleweed> mitya57: where you paying attention earlier, and did you subscribe to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[15:11] <mitya57> tumbleweed: I am subscribed
[15:11] <mitya57> "where" — you mean Debian vs Ubuntu?
[15:12] <mitya57> If so, Ubuntu of course :)
[15:12] <tumbleweed> *were
[15:12]  * tumbleweed is tired, long day of fighting fires at work
[15:13] <tumbleweed> mitya57: so, when do we expect you to come back with a MOTU application?
[15:14] <mitya57> tumbleweed, If I were writing my application today, I would apply for MOTU. But I was writing it in September (and today was the first slot suitable for me)...
[15:14] <mitya57> ... so I decided to leave it as is.
[15:15] <tumbleweed> it'd be nice to see work on a wider range of packages, for that
[15:16] <mitya57> tumbleweed, that's in progress :)
[15:16] <tumbleweed> as a DM, I assume you're already familiar with the upload process?
[15:17] <mitya57> Yes, I am. The only difference is that our uploads are source-only, right?
[15:18] <tumbleweed> yup
[15:18] <tumbleweed> and you've the Ubuntu tools for syncing, finding merges you need to do, etc?
[15:18] <tumbleweed> you've *seen*
[15:18] <mitya57> yes, I have seen that
[15:18] <tumbleweed> bdrung: you have a question?
[15:18] <bdrung> mitya57: How does it come that you do your work in Debian first?
[15:19] <bdrung> (besides the Ubuntu-only unity-mail)
[15:19] <mitya57> bdrung, I had read that the Debian is primary place to upload new packages to, so I went there...
[15:19] <bdrung> good to see that we communicate it clearly :)
[15:19] <mitya57> ah, you said "do", not "did"
[15:20] <mitya57> The ideal workflow for me is getting a package uploaded to Debian, and then getting it synced
[15:21] <bdrung> the tool syncpackage is handy for doing the sync
[15:21] <mitya57> bdrung, I meant that when I said I was familiar with the tools
[15:22] <tumbleweed> ok, looks like we're done with questions
[15:22] <tumbleweed> #vote grant mitya57 PPU rights on retext and unity-mail?
[15:22] <meetingology> Please vote on: grant mitya57 PPU rights on retext and unity-mail?
[15:22] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[15:22] <Laney> +1 looking forward to you coming back to apply for MOTU soon with a little more experience
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 looking forward to you coming back to apply for MOTU soon with a little more experience received from Laney
[15:23] <bdrung> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[15:23] <barry> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[15:23] <tumbleweed> +1
[15:23] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[15:24] <tumbleweed> stgraber?
[15:28] <stgraber> +1
[15:28] <meetingology> +1 received from stgraber
[15:29] <tumbleweed> #endvote
[15:29] <meetingology> Voting ended on: grant mitya57 PPU rights on retext and unity-mail?
[15:29] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:29] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:29] <bdrung> mitya57: btw, do you want to become an uploader (in Debian) of ubuntu-packaging-guide?
[15:29] <tumbleweed> mitya57: welcome, we hope to see you back soon for MOTU rights
[15:29] <tumbleweed> #topic any other business?
[15:30] <mitya57> bdrung, I won't be against that
[15:30] <mitya57> \o/ thanks everybody!
[15:30] <bdrung> mitya57: feel free to add yourself to the list in the bzr branch.
[15:30] <tumbleweed> next chair: barry
[15:31] <tumbleweed> backup: cody-somerville
[15:31] <tumbleweed> anything else?
[15:31] <bdrung> reducing the after-meeting-things-to-do list
[15:32] <bdrung> can we reduce or automate the paperwork?
[15:33] <tumbleweed> not trivially, that i can think of
[15:35] <tumbleweed> looks like we've run out of things to say
[15:35] <tumbleweed> #endmeeting
[15:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 19 15:35:37 2012 UTC.
[15:35] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-14.14.moin.txt
[15:35] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-14.14.html
[15:35] <tumbleweed> thanks everyone
[15:36] <barry> tumbleweed: thanks
[15:36] <tumbleweed> stgraber: you'll add the PPU rights?
[15:36]  * tumbleweed added him to the ubuntu-dev team
[15:37] <stgraber> tumbleweed: yep, sometimes later today (sorta busy atm)
[15:41] <dholbach> congratulations mitya57!
[15:42] <mitya57> danke dholbach!
[15:42] <dholbach> :-)
[15:43] <stgraber> tumbleweed, mitya57: PPU added
[15:44] <mitya57> thanks once again!
[15:44] <mitya57> I will test it soon for new unity-mail :)
[15:44] <dholbach> awesome :)
[18:01] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:02] <tyhicks> hello!
[18:02] <jjohansen> hi
[18:02] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Nov 19 18:02:07 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:02] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:02] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:02] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:03] <mdeslaur> hi!
[18:03] <jdstrand> it is a short week for me. I'm off Thu and Fri
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'm on triage
[18:04] <jdstrand> I have a pending update and a small regression fix I need to do for python-django
[18:04] <jdstrand> I also am working on packaging for secure boot db/dbx updates
[18:04] <jdstrand> I think that is it for me
[18:04] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I'm on community this week
[18:05] <mdeslaur> and I'm currently working on a python-keyring fix, that is turning into a can of worms
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I've almost caught all the worms though
[18:05] <mdeslaur> after that, I'll continue going down the list
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I have a virt-manager work item I hope to poke at this week too
[18:05] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:06] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:06] <sbeattie> I have a short week this week, I'm off weds through fri
[18:06] <sbeattie> I'm still poking at the display manager apparmor stuff
[18:07] <sbeattie> I also am slowly reviewing jjohansen's parser patches
[18:07] <sbeattie> that's it for me
[18:07] <sbeattie> tyhicks: I think micahg's not here at the moment, so you're up
[18:07] <micahg> no, I'm here
[18:07] <sbeattie> oops, sorry
[18:08] <micahg> I've got the Mozilla releases tomorrow and then webkit
[18:08] <micahg> and short week (off Thu)
[18:08] <micahg> tyhicks: you're up
[18:08] <tyhicks> Short week for me as I'm off Thursday and Friday
[18:08] <tyhicks> I'm finally wrapping up the audit debdiff for the audit MIR
[18:09] <tyhicks> I have a small bit of testing left for the ecryptfs-utils SRU (didn't make much progress on it last week)
[18:09] <tyhicks> and the apparmor dbus work
[18:09] <tyhicks> that's it
[18:09] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:09] <jjohansen> short week for me as well, I am off Thursday and Friday
[18:10] <jjohansen> I am going to finish getting the latest revision of the new interface and rcu locking work up for people to look at and play with (sticking it in a ppa)
[18:10] <jjohansen> and then I will try to get the labeling part of the stacking work up for people to play with before the end of the week
[18:10] <mdeslaur> bunch of turkey eaters
[18:11] <jjohansen> that is it for me, sarnold your up
[18:11] <jjohansen> Mmmmm turkey
[18:11] <sarnold> short week for me, off thursday, will be eating mashed potatos and who knows what else... mmm.
[18:12]  * micahg won't be having turkey, but that's another story
[18:12] <sarnold> still working on the perl update, some new tests added with cgi.pm security patches are failing during builds, it will take some investigation, as the problem wasn't obvious.
[18:12] <sarnold> I'll answer the testing team's question about uinput today, here's hoping that simple facl are sufficient..
[18:13] <sarnold> slightly off-topic, I installed my pandaboard this weekend :) fun little thing.
[18:13] <sarnold> jdstrand: here's the token!
[18:13] <mdeslaur> sarnold: let me know if you get stuck with the perl stuff
[18:13] <sarnold> mdeslaur: thanks
[18:13] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:13] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:13] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/freeciv.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ziproxy.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/glusterfs.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/smarty3.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/pgbouncer.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:14] <mdeslaur> sarnold: I believe the old thinkfinger packages used to override permissions for uinput, maybe you can take a look at that
[18:14] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:15] <sarnold> mdeslaur: ooh, quite old, edgy. :) thanks.
[18:17] <mdeslaur> sarnold: could have been in a ubuntu-specific patch also, can't remember
[18:18] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:18] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Nov 19 18:18:20 2012 UTC.
[18:18] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-18.02.moin.txt
[18:18] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-19-18.02.html
[18:18] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[18:18] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks
[18:18] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:18] <tyhicks> thanks!
[18:18] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)