| ojwb | morning | 18:22 |
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| mwhudson | morning | 19:12 |
| ajmitch | morning | 19:17 |
| chilts | morning | 19:26 |
| Atamira | good morning | 19:26 |
| Atamira | anyone used mint? | 19:26 |
| hads | morning | 19:33 |
| ojwb | Atamira: only as a herb | 20:23 |
| * ojwb really can't see a distro which is just derived from another catching on | 20:24 | |
| Atamira | herb? | 20:27 |
| Atamira | ohh | 20:28 |
| Atamira | heh | 20:28 |
| Atamira | i just want to get off unity | 20:28 |
| ajmitch | sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop | 20:30 |
| ajmitch | or whichever takes your fancy, it can be easier than reinstalling with a different distro | 20:31 |
| * ajmitch currently just uses the gnome fallback session when not using unity | 20:32 | |
| Atamira | ooo thanks. ill do it when i get back | 20:33 |
| Atamira | i like some things in it, but trying to find what i want when i dont know the name of it is annoyin g | 20:33 |
| mwhudson | stupid question, but is there an easy way of telling if an apt-style dependency (e.g. pkg-name >= 0.1) is satisfied on the current system? | 21:04 |
| chilts | I sometimes use apt-cache policy <pkgname> to see what version is installed and if there are candidates | 21:05 |
| chilts | but that's me, do you need something for a program to read? | 21:05 |
| mwhudson | ideally | 21:06 |
| mwhudson | i guess i want to know, given a string $str, if apt-get install $str would do anything | 21:06 |
| mwhudson | i guess i could parse the output of apt-get install --dry-run... | 21:07 |
| mwhudson | that might not be completely insane, actually | 21:08 |
| chilts | yeah, I was just about to suggest that, and maybe the return value tells you whether something would have happened | 21:08 |
| * chilts guesses | 21:08 | |
| mwhudson | apparently not | 21:09 |
| chilts | if you can 'apt-cache policy $pkg' and compare the 2nd fields of lines 2 and 3, there's your answer | 21:10 |
| chilts | there may well be a shorter way :D | 21:10 |
| chilts | but that's a start | 21:10 |
| ojwb | that doesn't consider whether it could actually be installed though | 21:10 |
| mwhudson | chilts: no, i don't think that's right | 21:10 |
| mwhudson | i think apt-get install --dry-run $str | grep ^Inst is pretty close though | 21:11 |
| ojwb | though without knowing the motivation, it's hard to know exactly what the right answer is | 21:11 |
| chilts | yeah, just a suggestion :) | 21:11 |
| mwhudson | ojwb: motivation is to allow people to declare requirements and complain if they are not met | 21:11 |
| chilts | mwhudson: why do you need to know if it _might_ do something? | 21:11 |
| mwhudson | kinda like build-deps i guess, except not actually the same | 21:11 |
| ojwb | what does the complaining? | 21:12 |
| mwhudson | ojwb: my code | 21:12 |
| mwhudson | to explain a bit more | 21:12 |
| mwhudson | i do automated testing | 21:12 |
| mwhudson | when running code that depends on packages on the device being tested which just install them | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | but we're now starting to do things like run audio capture on the system driving it all | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | to do this you need to have some packages installed | 21:13 |
| chilts | mwhudson: if something _can_ be done, would you then just install it? | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | no | 21:13 |
| chilts | ok | 21:13 |
| mwhudson | i would reject the test job | 21:14 |
| ojwb | the trick things like pbuilder use is to generate a dummy package with the dependencies and (try to) install that | 21:14 |
| mwhudson | ojwb: yeah i've done that too | 21:14 |
| mwhudson | ojwb: but i don't want to install the dependencies | 21:14 |
| ojwb | oh, you just want to test | 21:14 |
| mwhudson | just know if they are already there | 21:14 |
| ojwb | and fail if not | 21:14 |
| mwhudson | i guess i could abuse dpkg-checkbuilddeps …. | 21:15 |
| mwhudson | anyway, back to real work | 21:19 |
| ibeardslee | morning | 21:19 |
| Atamira | ooo.i like xubuntu | 21:40 |
| chilts | does xubuntu not install Ubunto One and all the other stuff by default? | 22:25 |
| ajmitch | not sure, I've never installed from an iso for xubuntu | 22:27 |
| ajmitch | xubuntu-desktop doesn't look to depend on or recommend ubuntuone | 22:27 |
| ajmitch | most of the UI integration for ubuntuone is in nautilus | 22:28 |
| chilts | I might try Lubuntu or Xubuntu next time | 22:29 |
| chilts | in fact, I might be reinstalling my new laptop | 22:30 |
| ibeardslee | when I come to wipe my old netbook I'm going to try other versions | 22:35 |
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