[18:22] morning [19:12] morning [19:17] morning [19:26] morning [19:26] good morning [19:26] anyone used mint? [19:33] morning [20:23] Atamira: only as a herb [20:24] * ojwb really can't see a distro which is just derived from another catching on [20:27] herb? [20:28] ohh [20:28] heh [20:28] i just want to get off unity [20:30] sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [20:31] or whichever takes your fancy, it can be easier than reinstalling with a different distro [20:32] * ajmitch currently just uses the gnome fallback session when not using unity [20:33] ooo thanks. ill do it when i get back [20:33] i like some things in it, but trying to find what i want when i dont know the name of it is annoyin g [21:04] stupid question, but is there an easy way of telling if an apt-style dependency (e.g. pkg-name >= 0.1) is satisfied on the current system? [21:05] I sometimes use apt-cache policy to see what version is installed and if there are candidates [21:05] but that's me, do you need something for a program to read? [21:06] ideally [21:06] i guess i want to know, given a string $str, if apt-get install $str would do anything [21:07] i guess i could parse the output of apt-get install --dry-run... [21:08] that might not be completely insane, actually [21:08] yeah, I was just about to suggest that, and maybe the return value tells you whether something would have happened [21:08] * chilts guesses [21:09] apparently not [21:10] if you can 'apt-cache policy $pkg' and compare the 2nd fields of lines 2 and 3, there's your answer [21:10] there may well be a shorter way :D [21:10] but that's a start [21:10] that doesn't consider whether it could actually be installed though [21:10] chilts: no, i don't think that's right [21:11] i think apt-get install --dry-run $str | grep ^Inst is pretty close though [21:11] though without knowing the motivation, it's hard to know exactly what the right answer is [21:11] yeah, just a suggestion :) [21:11] ojwb: motivation is to allow people to declare requirements and complain if they are not met [21:11] mwhudson: why do you need to know if it _might_ do something? [21:11] kinda like build-deps i guess, except not actually the same [21:12] what does the complaining? [21:12] ojwb: my code [21:12] to explain a bit more [21:12] i do automated testing [21:13] when running code that depends on packages on the device being tested which just install them [21:13] but we're now starting to do things like run audio capture on the system driving it all [21:13] to do this you need to have some packages installed [21:13] mwhudson: if something _can_ be done, would you then just install it? [21:13] no [21:13] ok [21:14] i would reject the test job [21:14] the trick things like pbuilder use is to generate a dummy package with the dependencies and (try to) install that [21:14] ojwb: yeah i've done that too [21:14] ojwb: but i don't want to install the dependencies [21:14] oh, you just want to test [21:14] just know if they are already there [21:14] and fail if not [21:15] i guess i could abuse dpkg-checkbuilddeps …. [21:19] anyway, back to real work [21:19] morning [21:40] ooo.i like xubuntu [22:25] does xubuntu not install Ubunto One and all the other stuff by default? [22:27] not sure, I've never installed from an iso for xubuntu [22:27] xubuntu-desktop doesn't look to depend on or recommend ubuntuone [22:28] most of the UI integration for ubuntuone is in nautilus [22:29] I might try Lubuntu or Xubuntu next time [22:30] in fact, I might be reinstalling my new laptop [22:35] when I come to wipe my old netbook I'm going to try other versions