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Blazeixi really liked 1devday01:15
Blazeixthere were a few good talks. the jvm concurrency and 'using types to write your code' were my favorite01:16
Blazeixboth keynotes were _really_ bad though01:17
Blazeixi really wanted to go the Neo4j talk but decided at the last second not to. I heard that was good too, though01:18
widoxBlazeix: I almost hit the types talk02:01
Blazeixthat was a good one. i just barely knew enough haskell to hang on02:01
widoxhaha, yeah the first keynote was pretty awful02:01
jrwrenwho gave it?02:11
jrwrenand who gave the good ones?02:11
BlazeixTed Neward gave the first keynote.02:13
jrwrenah, i do not like him very much.02:14
BlazeixNilanjan Raychaudhuri (from Typesafe) gave the jvm concurrency one02:14
jrwreni don't know him.02:14
Blazeixand Job Vranish from Atomic Object gave the haskell types talk02:14
jrwrencool02:14
Blazeixyeah, i didn't know him either, but typesafe is a pretty popular company in the scala world02:14
Blazeixwould a pythony person be willing to tell me if this is reasonably idiomatic python? http://vpaste.net/yueLT?bg=dark02:16
Blazeixit finds the mathematical modes of a list of ints02:16
jrwrenlooks reasonably pythonic02:17
Blazeixthe freqs[0][1] feels a bit dirty to me02:18
jrwrenits a local, i don't care about those.02:18
Blazeixyeah, true. i suppose it's a simple enough method that it doesn't really matter02:20
Blazeixs/method/function/02:20
Blazeixthis will be used as a reference implementation for a programming quiz, so i want to put it under a bit of scrutiny02:21
derekvhttps://github.com/DerekV/stacksp/blob/master/stacksp.lisp *evil laugh*04:29
Blazeixderekv: haha, nice04:29
derekvso with that code "2 3 4 +" emits "( 9 )" and "2 3 4 + 20 -" is "( 11 )" etc04:31
derekvbut what i'm going to work on next is being able to define functions from inside the language, and nested stacks04:32
snap-lBlazeix: I've used that convention before (freqs[0][1]), but not sure if it's the most pythonic way to do it12:24
rick_hBlazeix: yea, I feel dirty with that stuff, but native types ftw and you don't keep around the freq. value so there's no point turning it into a NamedTuple for the pretty code factor12:29
snap-lrick_h: I'm glad I'm not the only one. :)12:33
rick_hyea, if Counter was your own method I'd say make it return a namedtuple12:35
rick_hand then use that12:35
rick_hbut it's a stdlib biult in so no point12:35
rick_hBlazeix: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/840/ though is what I'd go with. Move hte return to avoid the Collection at all. max is a reserved word since it's a built in method.12:46
rick_hBlazeix: and the optional is returning a generator vs the actual list to make it lazy12:47
snap-lWow, Quantal is pretty slow in a virtual machine as far as rendering12:51
snap-lI mean "watch, as I fade in this window" slow12:51
rick_hthey removed the unity 2d stuff so you get sofware rendering12:52
rick_hso need 3d on there or non-unity I think12:52
snap-lEven with it turned on, it's pretty slow.12:53
brouschUnity?12:55
snap-lYeah12:57
snap-lAnd as such, you can't turn the transitions off without help12:58
Blazeixrick_h: oh yeah, good call on the 'max' variable name13:33
Blazeixnot sure about returning a generator though. most_common() returns a list, so i think i'll try to ape that pattern13:36
rick_hyea just tossed that out as an optional over optimized version :)13:36
Blazeixhaha, thanks snap-l rick_h jrwren for your help13:40
jrwrenanytime.14:19
jrwrendid you pylint it?14:19
rick_honly lint issues are the testing code at the bottom missing spaces after the ,14:20
rick_h:)14:20
rick_hI looked at it14:20
jrwrencool14:22
jrwrenjust a suggested first step14:22
rick_hgah, monday screw up.15:03
rick_hforgot my headphones at the coffee shop and sitting next to EMTs with their radios going off every other minute15:03
ColonelPanic001working without headphones < death15:05
rick_hyea, #firstworldproblems and all that jazz15:05
ColonelPanic001I should seriously start trying to get up really early in the morning. The cube farm is much less annoying when it's nearly empty15:05
ColonelPanic001the problem is, I'm more of a "sleep from 2am-10am" person15:06
rick_hyea, always loved my quiet morning time in the cube15:06
rick_hugh, yea no good there15:06
ColonelPanic001I miss Traffic Engine et. al.15:06
ColonelPanic001being able to get up at 10am, walk into the living room and check email15:06
rick_hwell it should think out a bit after 5pm15:06
ColonelPanic001etc15:06
jjesseour office has gotten louder since we've gone to non-assigned cubes15:06
ColonelPanic001non-assigned cubes? may as well hang yourself15:06
ColonelPanic001this is MY CUBE15:06
ColonelPanic001IT SUCKS, BUT IT IS MINE15:06
jjesseso we have people who make phone calls all day sitting in the open area15:06
ColonelPanic001seriously, murder them.15:07
rick_hmore reason to get in early15:07
ColonelPanic001murder.15:07
rick_hget the good cubes15:07
jjessethat's what i do15:07
jjesseor work more from home :)15:07
ColonelPanic001one thing I do like about working on a campus, though - I coule grab a laptop and gtfo, go to many other buildings15:07
ColonelPanic001the problem is I have two monitors here, and that is a thing of beauty15:07
ColonelPanic001and finding another location that has power/decent net/desk/etc15:07
rick_hhah, yea.  understand that15:08
ColonelPanic001but the potential exists15:08
rick_hgah, christmas music15:08
rick_hI'm not going to make it here at the coffee shop until lunch ... ugh15:08
ColonelPanic001rick_h: you're really facing many problems this morning that are worse than death15:08
ColonelPanic001are you sure life is still worth living?15:08
rick_hColonelPanic001: hmm, debating15:08
ColonelPanic001EMTs radios and christmas music? Think carefully.15:08
rick_hbut UPS has toys in the mail...I need to live until Wed at least15:09
ColonelPanic001bequeath them to me15:09
ColonelPanic001problem solved :D15:09
rick_hhah!15:09
ColonelPanic001speaking of dark/morbid humor, ordered Cards Against Humanity a little while ago, came in the other day. Have to do a test play of that soon15:10
rick_hheh, the first few runs through it are the best15:10
rick_hso make sure to make the first ones great groups of peeps with plenty of accessory liquids15:11
ColonelPanic001heh15:15
widoxColonelPanic001: I hope you don't /really/ miss TE ;)15:16
jrwren i hate cubes. i refuse to wok in them. this cubbie is bad enough.15:16
jrwreni like open desks everywehre.15:16
ColonelPanic001widox: just the workplace15:18
* widox still works from home15:19
ColonelPanic001If they gave us open desks up here, I'd never come here again. Laptop workin' from a library or something15:19
ColonelPanic001I hear enough inane babbling here as it is15:19
jrwrenit depends on how many people to a room you have.15:20
jrwrenwe have a max of about 7.15:20
jrwrenthere are 6 in my room.15:20
jrwrenWALLS ARE GOOD!15:20
jrwrenWall all the things!15:21
ColonelPanic001I have about 20 or 30 in here probably15:37
ColonelPanic001I'd kill for walls around me. And a light switch.15:37
jrwreni assume for lights out?15:40
jrwrentahnkfully, we 6 are lights out.15:41
ColonelPanic001open desks might be okay if it were with 4-5 others who worked on similar/same things as me. Collaboration and cross-pollination would be awesome. But, that's my limit.15:41
ColonelPanic001exactly15:41
ColonelPanic001I hate lights15:41
ColonelPanic001my monitors light up guys, stop turning on the damn lights15:41
jrwrenwhat do you do?15:41
jrwrenare you looking for a new job?15:41
ColonelPanic001no, despite my whining right now, I love working here15:41
jrwrenWSU IT, right?15:41
ColonelPanic001yeah15:41
jrwrendo you know Glen ?15:42
ColonelPanic001same group as _stink_, actually15:42
ColonelPanic001maybe15:42
ColonelPanic001Wasik, I think his last name is?15:42
jrwrendoes Banner stuff? I worked with him at Oakland 10 yrs ago.15:42
jrwrenyes, I think that is his last name.15:42
ColonelPanic001yeah, not well, but we've met15:42
ColonelPanic001seems like a nice guy15:42
jrwrenhe is.15:42
jrwrenwhat kind of IT systems do you do at WSU ?15:42
jrwrendo they still do mirapoint email?15:43
ColonelPanic001I, in particular, wrote the Android app for the uni, and now spend all my time getting a Magento installation working15:44
ColonelPanic001and yeah, I think so. Merit's email, with Zimbra for the web interface15:44
jrwrenwtf is magento?15:44
ColonelPanic001ecommerce site thing. PHP written with Zend Framework15:44
jrwrenwtf does wsu need with an ecommerce platform?15:45
ColonelPanic001we sell stuff.15:45
ColonelPanic001on the internets15:45
jrwrenathletics?15:46
ColonelPanic001software clearinghouse, WSU Press, events, etc15:46
ColonelPanic001Athletics is another one, yeah15:46
jrwreninteresting!15:46
ColonelPanic001Institute of Gerontology is looking to sell spots at ongoing learning events, etc15:46
ColonelPanic001mostly very small stores (not all, but mostly), but before we'd do all these one-off things for them, and that was just annoying. This is before I got here, so couldn't speak from experience15:46
ColonelPanic001so now we can start up a new store in like, minutes, and just say "here, use this" and they can self-manage it15:47
ColonelPanic001that's the goal anyway, and so far it seems pretty feasible15:47
ColonelPanic001I know the Press seemed to fall in love with it when they saw it. They're looking for a new place to sell subscriptions and issues of their journals, and when they got to playing with it, started talking about just moving everything to it.15:48
ColonelPanic001but I know what you mean, when it was first mentioned to me, I wondered if it was really worth the investment, too. But, now that it's coming up, departments are coming out of thw woodwork with stuff they might like to use it for, now that it's here.15:49
_stink_ColonelPanic001: don't incriminate me15:51
ColonelPanic001too late, CRM-boy15:52
ColonelPanic001he maintains our relationships.15:52
_stink_<315:52
ColonelPanic001makes them more intimate15:52
ColonelPanic001he sends the Dear John letters to people that fail out.15:54
rick_hhah, geeked about lightbulbs. Crazy http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/in-living-color-ars-reviews-the-hacker-approved-philips-hue-leds/16:02
snap-lI'm not sure how you folks deal with sick kids.16:49
snap-lI swear, JoDee and I are going to enter into a suicide pact if Pixel doesn't get better soon16:50
brouschIt can be rough16:51
brouschWhen they are sick and pitiful and there's nothing you can do but snuggle16:52
snap-lIt's hard to snuggle her when she's under the bed.16:53
snap-lI think we're going to need to teach her how to communicate better with us humans16:54
rick_hgood luck16:55
snap-lhh16:59
snap-lheh16:59
greg-gis this an elaborate troll? http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/11/how-goatse-cx-went-from-shock-site-to-webmail-service/17:09
rick_hgreg-g: honeypot ftw17:12
rick_hhttp://de2.eu.apcdn.com/full/89181.png17:32
snap-lrick_h: lol17:48
snap-lNew CoC is up for signing18:17
snap-l(And no, that's not Call of Cthulhu, Corrosion of Conformity, or god knows what else has that acronym)18:17
snap-lhttps://launchpad.net/codeofconduct18:17
rick_hI know, I deployed it :P18:18
snap-lThe current version is 2.0, released 2005-04-1118:18
rick_hlol, well I didn't say I wrote it?18:18
* rick_h runs and hides18:18
brouschIf I don't sign it can I be politically incorrect?18:18
snap-lbrousch: Nope, you already signed one, so you must be on your best behavior18:19
brouschdangitalltoheck18:19
snap-lor you can un-sign it, but then we get to shun you.18:19
snap-lActually, we might just shun you anyway, just for grins.18:19
brouschThat might be good for me. Last night I dreamt of Federated Wiki18:20
snap-lCommence the shun-o-tron 500018:20
brouschAnd in the dream I remember thinking "OMG, greg-g and snap-l are going to love this!"18:20
rick_hheh, federated wiki...Google Wave fail coming18:21
snap-lSHUUNNNNNNNNNNNNN18:21
snap-lSHUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNanananananananananananananana18:21
snap-lSHUUNNNNNNNNNNNNN18:21
snap-l;)18:21
jrwrengreg-g: what is up with the bacon photos on flicr? make you rown?18:23
greg-gjrwren: yep :)18:23
greg-gtoo bad we just determined that carrie is allergic to pig :/18:24
jrwrenbuy a pork belly and smoke it?18:24
jrwrenOh NO!18:24
greg-g(but that just means I get to eat all the bacon!)18:24
jrwrenwell, allah prefers she not eat the swine.18:24
brouschI thought you were vegans18:24
greg-gyep, well, baked it to 140/150 since I don't have a smoker18:24
greg-gbrousch: I was a vegetarian from 2003 to about 4 months ago :)18:25
brouschAh, then I'm not crazy18:25
jrwrenwhy eat meat again?18:25
brouschBecause it tastes good!18:25
jrwrenCA has ruined you!18:25
greg-g:)18:25
greg-gjrwren: we're doing the paleo thing18:26
brouschIf god didn't want you to eat animals, why'd he make them taste so good?18:26
jrwrengreg-g: i've considered vege paleo.18:26
jrwrenbrousch: in what religeon does go not want people to eat animals?18:26
greg-gyeah, we don't eat a whole lot of meat really, since the meat we buy is so expensive18:26
brouschI don't know. I just like the saying18:26
snap-lJust FYI: Paleo is rather bunk if you think it actually dates back to diets from the paleozoic era18:28
snap-lif you want to eat meat and cut carbs, call it a low carb diet.18:28
snap-lBut thinking you're some form of neo-caveman dietician is rubbish. :)18:28
snap-lhere endeth the skeptic18:28
greg-gsnap-l: I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what I eat with that statement18:28
_stink_i had to look that term up, heh18:28
_stink_you eat wooly mammoth?18:29
snap-lgreg-g: I figure you're more careful about what you put in your mouth tan most18:29
greg-g_stink_: you wouldn't believe the farmers markets here in SF!18:29
_stink_hahah18:29
snap-lJust the term paleo really gets my goat and offers it up for sacrifice.18:29
_stink_or goat stew.  with no flour.18:30
greg-gsnap-l: you're sometimes too easily offended by what other people do ;)18:30
snap-lgreg-g: You're damn right I am. ;)18:30
brouschI am offended by how easily offended you are18:31
snap-lgreg-g: I just have a real difficult time with fad diets, of which paleo is the latest in a long line18:31
snap-lI attribute some of the complications in my uncle's diabetes with the Atkins Diet he was on18:32
greg-galright, time to do last minute stupidness for this webinar bs18:32
snap-lNo proof, mind you, so I have nothing to base this on18:32
greg-gatkins was shit, any diet from one single book sold in the self help section is shit, but, that doesn't mean that the research I have done re my food intake is any less valid just because I use a term that is easily recognizable to refer to a certain set of guidelines. "What Greg has decided to eat after reading a lot and pooping a lot" is'nt the best name for my diet (diet, here, is the definition number 1: what you eat.)18:33
jrwrenatkins should be good for diabetes. it wasn't for him?18:34
snap-lgreg-g: I'm sure you researched this. You're one of the more careful folks about figuring out what's edible18:35
snap-lhell, you ate stuff from the weed-pile we loosely call a garden. :)18:36
snap-ljrwren: I've heard that anecdotally, but I'm not sure.18:37
jrwrentype2 i assume?18:38
snap-lHe's having trouble with his eyesight, yes.18:39
brouschsnap-l: Your prayers have been answered! http://www.lazytruth.com/20:16
snap-lNow I need one for Hotmail. ;)20:17
snap-lBut this is a good start in the right direction20:17
user-12345Hi Group, I am new to linux. I got a question about. Create a new group Called mygroup. Hint: / usr/ sbin/ groupadd.20:22
user-12345My friend is trying to this, but getting error msg20:23
user-12345permission denied20:23
user-12345any clue?20:23
brouschsudo groupadd20:23
_stink_i think people typically use the addgroup, though20:24
_stink_it's a bit friendlier20:24
brouschI always do sudo adduser group20:24
brouschBut lack of sudo is probably the issue here20:24
greg-gsnap-l: hehe, that was fun (eating stuff out of your uhhh, backyard) ;)20:25
brouschThat sounds dirty20:26
greg-gto YOU20:26
brouschYou're the one putting the suspicious uhhh in there20:27
brouschSo I have to try to find out what you are insinuating20:28
user-12345THank you, will ask to try that20:29
greg-goh man, I'm the worst ambassador now20:34
brouschAmbassador to what?20:35
greg-gthis channel20:35
greg-gI used to be so good at welcoming and not encouraging off-color jokes when new people were here20:36
snap-lgreg-g: That's why we banished you to California. :)20:38
snap-luser-12345: Welcome, BTW. :)20:39
greg-gheh, the best way to say GNU/Linux on a CD: http://penguin-pete.tumblr.com/post/36083435184/and-it-isnt-produced-by-murderers-like-mcafee20:54
brouschnice20:55
jrwrenjust contributed to by murderers like Hans Rieser21:05
greg-gjrwren: he mentions that :)21:05
brouschDid you see the blog by Mcaffee?21:07
brouschhttp://www.whoismcafee.com/21:08
jrwrenoh, lol, how did I miss that.21:11
greg-gwait, what, that's real?!21:11
jrwrenhttps://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=tree;f=fs/reiserfs;h=37c1da6b2c3ee2da3e0a71aee4d3578b555f0593;hb=f4a75d2eb7b1e2206094b901be09adb31ba63681  <-- not out of the repositories or default kernel.21:12
snap-lY'know, I'd rather McAffee wasn't tried by the media before he gets even questioned.21:12
jrwrensnap-l: we are teh masses, its what we do.  Assange too21:13
snap-lPrecisely.21:13
snap-lThat's why we have courts, and not lynch-mobs21:13
snap-lHah, the Republic Wireless pre-order is now up21:14
snap-lToo bad Ting got me first. :)21:14
snap-lAh, forgot, McAfee isn't in the US.21:16
snap-lSomething tells me this is going to get much, much weirder.21:17
jrwreni wonder who he pissed off to frame him.21:19
jrwreni wonder if anonymous will take sides and attack the belizian gvment21:20
brouschjrwren: It's all on the blog21:20
brouschApparently he pissed off the Belizian president21:21
jrwrennice.21:21
greg-gbrousch: huh (re Synder's edu reform article)21:28
greg-gthe one part I'm not sure of is getting rid of summer vacation!21:29
greg-goh, right, that was on twitter....21:29
brouschsummer vacation is useless21:31
brouschIt's for farmers21:31
greg-gthat's the POINT21:32
brouschKids sit around playing video games at home all day21:32
greg-g(not the farmers, it being useless)21:32
greg-gyeah, and..... ;)21:32
snap-lBig problem is the funding for schools will get distributed so only a handful of schools will get all of the money21:32
greg-gactually, I see your point, I'm mostly joking, I just have great memories of summer camping trips21:33
brouschThere is still a lot of time off, it's just spread out more21:33
snap-lI can see some districts getting completely shut out21:33
brouschYeah, I'm as sure about the funding part21:34
greg-gbrousch: can you be my lazyweb and find me a url of the actual proposal?21:34
snap-lOf course it'll get spun that the teachers are so wedded to summer vacation, and pretty much gloss over the funding21:34
brouschgreg-g: It's a report, so I don't know if they published it21:34
greg-gah21:34
snap-lAnd it's wxyz, so lord knows what it actually says. ;)21:35
greg-ghahaha21:35
greg-gI just saw the teaser for "Why would anyone want to give money to a politician, but keep it a secret?21:35
snap-lTV news = crap.21:35
greg-gRead more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/governor-snyder-report-proposes-michigan-education-overhaul#ixzz2Chsv1s6021:35
greg-gFUCK YOU FUCKING COPY/PASTE BUFFER MODIFYING JAVASCRIPT21:35
greg-gthat shit is everywhere on news sites21:36
greg-gthanks for annoying your fucking users, assholes21:36
* greg-g is especially annoyed by this stuff because it is sold as a snake oil as a way to "track use and reuse of CC licensed materials"21:36
brouschhehehe21:36
snap-lgreg-g: You mean the pop-up ads for monkey-punching give us your gold we'll turn it into chocolate aren't enough of a nut-kicker?21:37
greg-gsnap-l: I have adblock for that :)21:37
greg-gsome javascript is good, though, so I don't want to block it all by default :/21:37
snap-lIt's the only way I'll head to the Detroit News. (adblock)21:37
brouschBetter one from wdiv http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20139266/mich-plan-would-give-money-for-early-graduation21:37
snap-lI went to detnews without adblock on my parents machine, and my ees bled.21:38
snap-leyes, even21:38
snap-lbrousch: That's WJBK21:38
jrwrenNOSCRIPT block it all by default, allow per site as necessary.21:38
snap-lWDIV is "clickondetroit"21:38
brouschblah, whatever21:38
snap-lAlso, love detnews, or "what the current pro sports team and college teams are doing, mixed with auto news"21:40
brouschgreg-g: Links to drafts of the bill here http://oxfordfoundationmi.com/michigan-education-finance-act-updates/michigan-public-education-finance-project-draft/21:40
snap-las opposed to the Freep, which is "what the current pro sports team and college teams are doing, mixed with Mitch Albom pretending he's a profound writer"21:40
greg-gbrousch: thanks man!21:41
jrwrenpretty sure many days on new york times best seller list means he is a well sold writer, not a profound writer.21:44
jrwrenalthough having read a book by him, its obvious he is trying for profound :)21:44
snap-ljrwren: There's a lot of bleed-over into his column21:44
* snap-l wonders if he could get on the NY Times best seller list for "the book of shit"21:45
snap-land get some gigs on talk shows talking about "the book of shit"21:46
brouschyes21:46
snap-lWhat is it about? It's a book of shit.21:46
jrwrenIMO you just described half of the books on said list.21:57

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