[01:15] <Blazeix> i really liked 1devday
[01:16] <Blazeix> there were a few good talks. the jvm concurrency and 'using types to write your code' were my favorite
[01:17] <Blazeix> both keynotes were _really_ bad though
[01:18] <Blazeix> i really wanted to go the Neo4j talk but decided at the last second not to. I heard that was good too, though
[02:01] <widox> Blazeix: I almost hit the types talk
[02:01] <Blazeix> that was a good one. i just barely knew enough haskell to hang on
[02:01] <widox> haha, yeah the first keynote was pretty awful
[02:11] <jrwren> who gave it?
[02:11] <jrwren> and who gave the good ones?
[02:13] <Blazeix> Ted Neward gave the first keynote.
[02:14] <jrwren> ah, i do not like him very much.
[02:14] <Blazeix> Nilanjan Raychaudhuri (from Typesafe) gave the jvm concurrency one
[02:14] <jrwren> i don't know him.
[02:14] <Blazeix> and Job Vranish from Atomic Object gave the haskell types talk
[02:14] <jrwren> cool
[02:14] <Blazeix> yeah, i didn't know him either, but typesafe is a pretty popular company in the scala world
[02:16] <Blazeix> would a pythony person be willing to tell me if this is reasonably idiomatic python? http://vpaste.net/yueLT?bg=dark
[02:16] <Blazeix> it finds the mathematical modes of a list of ints
[02:17] <jrwren> looks reasonably pythonic
[02:18] <Blazeix> the freqs[0][1] feels a bit dirty to me
[02:18] <jrwren> its a local, i don't care about those.
[02:20] <Blazeix> yeah, true. i suppose it's a simple enough method that it doesn't really matter
[02:20] <Blazeix> s/method/function/
[02:21] <Blazeix> this will be used as a reference implementation for a programming quiz, so i want to put it under a bit of scrutiny
[04:29] <derekv> https://github.com/DerekV/stacksp/blob/master/stacksp.lisp *evil laugh*
[04:29] <Blazeix> derekv: haha, nice
[04:31] <derekv> so with that code "2 3 4 +" emits "( 9 )" and "2 3 4 + 20 -" is "( 11 )" etc
[04:32] <derekv> but what i'm going to work on next is being able to define functions from inside the language, and nested stacks
[12:24] <snap-l> Blazeix: I've used that convention before (freqs[0][1]), but not sure if it's the most pythonic way to do it
[12:29] <rick_h> Blazeix: yea, I feel dirty with that stuff, but native types ftw and you don't keep around the freq. value so there's no point turning it into a NamedTuple for the pretty code factor
[12:33] <snap-l> rick_h: I'm glad I'm not the only one. :)
[12:35] <rick_h> yea, if Counter was your own method I'd say make it return a namedtuple
[12:35] <rick_h> and then use that
[12:35] <rick_h> but it's a stdlib biult in so no point
[12:46] <rick_h> Blazeix: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/840/ though is what I'd go with. Move hte return to avoid the Collection at all. max is a reserved word since it's a built in method.
[12:47] <rick_h> Blazeix: and the optional is returning a generator vs the actual list to make it lazy
[12:51] <snap-l> Wow, Quantal is pretty slow in a virtual machine as far as rendering
[12:51] <snap-l> I mean "watch, as I fade in this window" slow
[12:52] <rick_h> they removed the unity 2d stuff so you get sofware rendering
[12:52] <rick_h> so need 3d on there or non-unity I think
[12:53] <snap-l> Even with it turned on, it's pretty slow.
[12:55] <brousch> Unity?
[12:57] <snap-l> Yeah
[12:58] <snap-l> And as such, you can't turn the transitions off without help
[13:33] <Blazeix> rick_h: oh yeah, good call on the 'max' variable name
[13:36] <Blazeix> not sure about returning a generator though. most_common() returns a list, so i think i'll try to ape that pattern
[13:36] <rick_h> yea just tossed that out as an optional over optimized version :)
[13:40] <Blazeix> haha, thanks snap-l rick_h jrwren for your help
[14:19] <jrwren> anytime.
[14:19] <jrwren> did you pylint it?
[14:20] <rick_h> only lint issues are the testing code at the bottom missing spaces after the ,
[14:20] <rick_h> :)
[14:20] <rick_h> I looked at it
[14:22] <jrwren> cool
[14:22] <jrwren> just a suggested first step
[15:03] <rick_h> gah, monday screw up.
[15:03] <rick_h> forgot my headphones at the coffee shop and sitting next to EMTs with their radios going off every other minute
[15:05] <ColonelPanic001> working without headphones < death
[15:05] <rick_h> yea, #firstworldproblems and all that jazz
[15:05] <ColonelPanic001> I should seriously start trying to get up really early in the morning. The cube farm is much less annoying when it's nearly empty
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> the problem is, I'm more of a "sleep from 2am-10am" person
[15:06] <rick_h> yea, always loved my quiet morning time in the cube
[15:06] <rick_h> ugh, yea no good there
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> I miss Traffic Engine et. al.
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> being able to get up at 10am, walk into the living room and check email
[15:06] <rick_h> well it should think out a bit after 5pm
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> etc
[15:06] <jjesse> our office has gotten louder since we've gone to non-assigned cubes
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> non-assigned cubes? may as well hang yourself
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> this is MY CUBE
[15:06] <ColonelPanic001> IT SUCKS, BUT IT IS MINE
[15:06] <jjesse> so we have people who make phone calls all day sitting in the open area
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> seriously, murder them.
[15:07] <rick_h> more reason to get in early
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> murder.
[15:07] <rick_h> get the good cubes
[15:07] <jjesse> that's what i do
[15:07] <jjesse> or work more from home :)
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> one thing I do like about working on a campus, though - I coule grab a laptop and gtfo, go to many other buildings
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> the problem is I have two monitors here, and that is a thing of beauty
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> and finding another location that has power/decent net/desk/etc
[15:08] <rick_h> hah, yea.  understand that
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> but the potential exists
[15:08] <rick_h> gah, christmas music
[15:08] <rick_h> I'm not going to make it here at the coffee shop until lunch ... ugh
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> rick_h: you're really facing many problems this morning that are worse than death
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> are you sure life is still worth living?
[15:08] <rick_h> ColonelPanic001: hmm, debating
[15:08] <ColonelPanic001> EMTs radios and christmas music? Think carefully.
[15:09] <rick_h> but UPS has toys in the mail...I need to live until Wed at least
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> bequeath them to me
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> problem solved :D
[15:09] <rick_h> hah!
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> speaking of dark/morbid humor, ordered Cards Against Humanity a little while ago, came in the other day. Have to do a test play of that soon
[15:10] <rick_h> heh, the first few runs through it are the best
[15:11] <rick_h> so make sure to make the first ones great groups of peeps with plenty of accessory liquids
[15:15] <ColonelPanic001> heh
[15:16] <widox> ColonelPanic001: I hope you don't /really/ miss TE ;)
[15:16] <jrwren>  i hate cubes. i refuse to wok in them. this cubbie is bad enough.
[15:16] <jrwren> i like open desks everywehre.
[15:18] <ColonelPanic001> widox: just the workplace
[15:19]  * widox still works from home
[15:19] <ColonelPanic001> If they gave us open desks up here, I'd never come here again. Laptop workin' from a library or something
[15:19] <ColonelPanic001> I hear enough inane babbling here as it is
[15:20] <jrwren> it depends on how many people to a room you have.
[15:20] <jrwren> we have a max of about 7.
[15:20] <jrwren> there are 6 in my room.
[15:20] <jrwren> WALLS ARE GOOD!
[15:21] <jrwren> Wall all the things!
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> I have about 20 or 30 in here probably
[15:37] <ColonelPanic001> I'd kill for walls around me. And a light switch.
[15:40] <jrwren> i assume for lights out?
[15:41] <jrwren> tahnkfully, we 6 are lights out.
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> open desks might be okay if it were with 4-5 others who worked on similar/same things as me. Collaboration and cross-pollination would be awesome. But, that's my limit.
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> exactly
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> I hate lights
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> my monitors light up guys, stop turning on the damn lights
[15:41] <jrwren> what do you do?
[15:41] <jrwren> are you looking for a new job?
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> no, despite my whining right now, I love working here
[15:41] <jrwren> WSU IT, right?
[15:41] <ColonelPanic001> yeah
[15:42] <jrwren> do you know Glen ?
[15:42] <ColonelPanic001> same group as _stink_, actually
[15:42] <ColonelPanic001> maybe
[15:42] <ColonelPanic001> Wasik, I think his last name is?
[15:42] <jrwren> does Banner stuff? I worked with him at Oakland 10 yrs ago.
[15:42] <jrwren> yes, I think that is his last name.
[15:42] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, not well, but we've met
[15:42] <ColonelPanic001> seems like a nice guy
[15:42] <jrwren> he is.
[15:42] <jrwren> what kind of IT systems do you do at WSU ?
[15:43] <jrwren> do they still do mirapoint email?
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> I, in particular, wrote the Android app for the uni, and now spend all my time getting a Magento installation working
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> and yeah, I think so. Merit's email, with Zimbra for the web interface
[15:44] <jrwren> wtf is magento?
[15:44] <ColonelPanic001> ecommerce site thing. PHP written with Zend Framework
[15:45] <jrwren> wtf does wsu need with an ecommerce platform?
[15:45] <ColonelPanic001> we sell stuff.
[15:45] <ColonelPanic001> on the internets
[15:46] <jrwren> athletics?
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> software clearinghouse, WSU Press, events, etc
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> Athletics is another one, yeah
[15:46] <jrwren> interesting!
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> Institute of Gerontology is looking to sell spots at ongoing learning events, etc
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> mostly very small stores (not all, but mostly), but before we'd do all these one-off things for them, and that was just annoying. This is before I got here, so couldn't speak from experience
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> so now we can start up a new store in like, minutes, and just say "here, use this" and they can self-manage it
[15:47] <ColonelPanic001> that's the goal anyway, and so far it seems pretty feasible
[15:48] <ColonelPanic001> I know the Press seemed to fall in love with it when they saw it. They're looking for a new place to sell subscriptions and issues of their journals, and when they got to playing with it, started talking about just moving everything to it.
[15:49] <ColonelPanic001> but I know what you mean, when it was first mentioned to me, I wondered if it was really worth the investment, too. But, now that it's coming up, departments are coming out of thw woodwork with stuff they might like to use it for, now that it's here.
[15:51] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: don't incriminate me
[15:52] <ColonelPanic001> too late, CRM-boy
[15:52] <ColonelPanic001> he maintains our relationships.
[15:52] <_stink_> <3
[15:52] <ColonelPanic001> makes them more intimate
[15:54] <ColonelPanic001> he sends the Dear John letters to people that fail out.
[16:02] <rick_h> hah, geeked about lightbulbs. Crazy http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/in-living-color-ars-reviews-the-hacker-approved-philips-hue-leds/
[16:49] <snap-l> I'm not sure how you folks deal with sick kids.
[16:50] <snap-l> I swear, JoDee and I are going to enter into a suicide pact if Pixel doesn't get better soon
[16:51] <brousch> It can be rough
[16:52] <brousch> When they are sick and pitiful and there's nothing you can do but snuggle
[16:53] <snap-l> It's hard to snuggle her when she's under the bed.
[16:54] <snap-l> I think we're going to need to teach her how to communicate better with us humans
[16:55] <rick_h> good luck
[16:59] <snap-l> hh
[16:59] <snap-l> heh
[17:09] <greg-g> is this an elaborate troll? http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/11/how-goatse-cx-went-from-shock-site-to-webmail-service/
[17:12] <rick_h> greg-g: honeypot ftw
[17:32] <rick_h> http://de2.eu.apcdn.com/full/89181.png
[17:48] <snap-l> rick_h: lol
[18:17] <snap-l> New CoC is up for signing
[18:17] <snap-l> (And no, that's not Call of Cthulhu, Corrosion of Conformity, or god knows what else has that acronym)
[18:17] <snap-l> https://launchpad.net/codeofconduct
[18:18] <rick_h> I know, I deployed it :P
[18:18] <snap-l> The current version is 2.0, released 2005-04-11
[18:18] <rick_h> lol, well I didn't say I wrote it?
[18:18]  * rick_h runs and hides
[18:18] <brousch> If I don't sign it can I be politically incorrect?
[18:19] <snap-l> brousch: Nope, you already signed one, so you must be on your best behavior
[18:19] <brousch> dangitalltoheck
[18:19] <snap-l> or you can un-sign it, but then we get to shun you.
[18:19] <snap-l> Actually, we might just shun you anyway, just for grins.
[18:20] <brousch> That might be good for me. Last night I dreamt of Federated Wiki
[18:20] <snap-l> Commence the shun-o-tron 5000
[18:20] <brousch> And in the dream I remember thinking "OMG, greg-g and snap-l are going to love this!"
[18:21] <rick_h> heh, federated wiki...Google Wave fail coming
[18:21] <snap-l> SHUUNNNNNNNNNNNNN
[18:21] <snap-l> SHUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNanananananananananananananana
[18:21] <snap-l> SHUUNNNNNNNNNNNNN
[18:21] <snap-l> ;)
[18:23] <jrwren> greg-g: what is up with the bacon photos on flicr? make you rown?
[18:23] <greg-g> jrwren: yep :)
[18:24] <greg-g> too bad we just determined that carrie is allergic to pig :/
[18:24] <jrwren> buy a pork belly and smoke it?
[18:24] <jrwren> Oh NO!
[18:24] <greg-g> (but that just means I get to eat all the bacon!)
[18:24] <jrwren> well, allah prefers she not eat the swine.
[18:24] <brousch> I thought you were vegans
[18:24] <greg-g> yep, well, baked it to 140/150 since I don't have a smoker
[18:25] <greg-g> brousch: I was a vegetarian from 2003 to about 4 months ago :)
[18:25] <brousch> Ah, then I'm not crazy
[18:25] <jrwren> why eat meat again?
[18:25] <brousch> Because it tastes good!
[18:25] <jrwren> CA has ruined you!
[18:25] <greg-g> :)
[18:26] <greg-g> jrwren: we're doing the paleo thing
[18:26] <brousch> If god didn't want you to eat animals, why'd he make them taste so good?
[18:26] <jrwren> greg-g: i've considered vege paleo.
[18:26] <jrwren> brousch: in what religeon does go not want people to eat animals?
[18:26] <greg-g> yeah, we don't eat a whole lot of meat really, since the meat we buy is so expensive
[18:26] <brousch> I don't know. I just like the saying
[18:28] <snap-l> Just FYI: Paleo is rather bunk if you think it actually dates back to diets from the paleozoic era
[18:28] <snap-l> if you want to eat meat and cut carbs, call it a low carb diet.
[18:28] <snap-l> But thinking you're some form of neo-caveman dietician is rubbish. :)
[18:28] <snap-l> here endeth the skeptic
[18:28] <greg-g> snap-l: I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what I eat with that statement
[18:28] <_stink_> i had to look that term up, heh
[18:29] <_stink_> you eat wooly mammoth?
[18:29] <snap-l> greg-g: I figure you're more careful about what you put in your mouth tan most
[18:29] <greg-g> _stink_: you wouldn't believe the farmers markets here in SF!
[18:29] <_stink_> hahah
[18:29] <snap-l> Just the term paleo really gets my goat and offers it up for sacrifice.
[18:30] <_stink_> or goat stew.  with no flour.
[18:30] <greg-g> snap-l: you're sometimes too easily offended by what other people do ;)
[18:30] <snap-l> greg-g: You're damn right I am. ;)
[18:31] <brousch> I am offended by how easily offended you are
[18:31] <snap-l> greg-g: I just have a real difficult time with fad diets, of which paleo is the latest in a long line
[18:32] <snap-l> I attribute some of the complications in my uncle's diabetes with the Atkins Diet he was on
[18:32] <greg-g> alright, time to do last minute stupidness for this webinar bs
[18:32] <snap-l> No proof, mind you, so I have nothing to base this on
[18:33] <greg-g> atkins was shit, any diet from one single book sold in the self help section is shit, but, that doesn't mean that the research I have done re my food intake is any less valid just because I use a term that is easily recognizable to refer to a certain set of guidelines. "What Greg has decided to eat after reading a lot and pooping a lot" is'nt the best name for my diet (diet, here, is the definition number 1: what you eat.)
[18:34] <jrwren> atkins should be good for diabetes. it wasn't for him?
[18:35] <snap-l> greg-g: I'm sure you researched this. You're one of the more careful folks about figuring out what's edible
[18:36] <snap-l> hell, you ate stuff from the weed-pile we loosely call a garden. :)
[18:37] <snap-l> jrwren: I've heard that anecdotally, but I'm not sure.
[18:38] <jrwren> type2 i assume?
[18:39] <snap-l> He's having trouble with his eyesight, yes.
[20:16] <brousch> snap-l: Your prayers have been answered! http://www.lazytruth.com/
[20:17] <snap-l> Now I need one for Hotmail. ;)
[20:17] <snap-l> But this is a good start in the right direction
[20:22] <user-12345> Hi Group, I am new to linux. I got a question about. Create a new group Called mygroup. Hint: / usr/ sbin/ groupadd.
[20:23] <user-12345> My friend is trying to this, but getting error msg
[20:23] <user-12345> permission denied
[20:23] <user-12345> any clue?
[20:23] <brousch> sudo groupadd
[20:24] <_stink_> i think people typically use the addgroup, though
[20:24] <_stink_> it's a bit friendlier
[20:24] <brousch> I always do sudo adduser group
[20:24] <brousch> But lack of sudo is probably the issue here
[20:25] <greg-g> snap-l: hehe, that was fun (eating stuff out of your uhhh, backyard) ;)
[20:26] <brousch> That sounds dirty
[20:26] <greg-g> to YOU
[20:27] <brousch> You're the one putting the suspicious uhhh in there
[20:28] <brousch> So I have to try to find out what you are insinuating
[20:29] <user-12345> THank you, will ask to try that
[20:34] <greg-g> oh man, I'm the worst ambassador now
[20:35] <brousch> Ambassador to what?
[20:35] <greg-g> this channel
[20:36] <greg-g> I used to be so good at welcoming and not encouraging off-color jokes when new people were here
[20:38] <snap-l> greg-g: That's why we banished you to California. :)
[20:39] <snap-l> user-12345: Welcome, BTW. :)
[20:54] <greg-g> heh, the best way to say GNU/Linux on a CD: http://penguin-pete.tumblr.com/post/36083435184/and-it-isnt-produced-by-murderers-like-mcafee
[20:55] <brousch> nice
[21:05] <jrwren> just contributed to by murderers like Hans Rieser
[21:05] <greg-g> jrwren: he mentions that :)
[21:07] <brousch> Did you see the blog by Mcaffee?
[21:08] <brousch> http://www.whoismcafee.com/
[21:11] <jrwren> oh, lol, how did I miss that.
[21:11] <greg-g> wait, what, that's real?!
[21:12] <jrwren> https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git;a=tree;f=fs/reiserfs;h=37c1da6b2c3ee2da3e0a71aee4d3578b555f0593;hb=f4a75d2eb7b1e2206094b901be09adb31ba63681  <-- not out of the repositories or default kernel.
[21:12] <snap-l> Y'know, I'd rather McAffee wasn't tried by the media before he gets even questioned.
[21:13] <jrwren> snap-l: we are teh masses, its what we do.  Assange too
[21:13] <snap-l> Precisely.
[21:13] <snap-l> That's why we have courts, and not lynch-mobs
[21:14] <snap-l> Hah, the Republic Wireless pre-order is now up
[21:14] <snap-l> Too bad Ting got me first. :)
[21:16] <snap-l> Ah, forgot, McAfee isn't in the US.
[21:17] <snap-l> Something tells me this is going to get much, much weirder.
[21:19] <jrwren> i wonder who he pissed off to frame him.
[21:20] <jrwren> i wonder if anonymous will take sides and attack the belizian gvment
[21:20] <brousch> jrwren: It's all on the blog
[21:21] <brousch> Apparently he pissed off the Belizian president
[21:21] <jrwren> nice.
[21:28] <greg-g> brousch: huh (re Synder's edu reform article)
[21:29] <greg-g> the one part I'm not sure of is getting rid of summer vacation!
[21:29] <greg-g> oh, right, that was on twitter....
[21:31] <brousch> summer vacation is useless
[21:31] <brousch> It's for farmers
[21:32] <greg-g> that's the POINT
[21:32] <brousch> Kids sit around playing video games at home all day
[21:32] <greg-g> (not the farmers, it being useless)
[21:32] <greg-g> yeah, and..... ;)
[21:32] <snap-l> Big problem is the funding for schools will get distributed so only a handful of schools will get all of the money
[21:33] <greg-g> actually, I see your point, I'm mostly joking, I just have great memories of summer camping trips
[21:33] <brousch> There is still a lot of time off, it's just spread out more
[21:33] <snap-l> I can see some districts getting completely shut out
[21:34] <brousch> Yeah, I'm as sure about the funding part
[21:34] <greg-g> brousch: can you be my lazyweb and find me a url of the actual proposal?
[21:34] <snap-l> Of course it'll get spun that the teachers are so wedded to summer vacation, and pretty much gloss over the funding
[21:34] <brousch> greg-g: It's a report, so I don't know if they published it
[21:34] <greg-g> ah
[21:35] <snap-l> And it's wxyz, so lord knows what it actually says. ;)
[21:35] <greg-g> hahaha
[21:35] <greg-g> I just saw the teaser for "Why would anyone want to give money to a politician, but keep it a secret?
[21:35] <snap-l> TV news = crap.
[21:35] <greg-g> Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/governor-snyder-report-proposes-michigan-education-overhaul#ixzz2Chsv1s60
[21:35] <greg-g> FUCK YOU FUCKING COPY/PASTE BUFFER MODIFYING JAVASCRIPT
[21:36] <greg-g> that shit is everywhere on news sites
[21:36] <greg-g> thanks for annoying your fucking users, assholes
[21:36]  * greg-g is especially annoyed by this stuff because it is sold as a snake oil as a way to "track use and reuse of CC licensed materials"
[21:36] <brousch> hehehe
[21:37] <snap-l> greg-g: You mean the pop-up ads for monkey-punching give us your gold we'll turn it into chocolate aren't enough of a nut-kicker?
[21:37] <greg-g> snap-l: I have adblock for that :)
[21:37] <greg-g> some javascript is good, though, so I don't want to block it all by default :/
[21:37] <snap-l> It's the only way I'll head to the Detroit News. (adblock)
[21:37] <brousch> Better one from wdiv http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/20139266/mich-plan-would-give-money-for-early-graduation
[21:38] <snap-l> I went to detnews without adblock on my parents machine, and my ees bled.
[21:38] <snap-l> eyes, even
[21:38] <snap-l> brousch: That's WJBK
[21:38] <jrwren> NOSCRIPT block it all by default, allow per site as necessary.
[21:38] <snap-l> WDIV is "clickondetroit"
[21:38] <brousch> blah, whatever
[21:40] <snap-l> Also, love detnews, or "what the current pro sports team and college teams are doing, mixed with auto news"
[21:40] <brousch> greg-g: Links to drafts of the bill here http://oxfordfoundationmi.com/michigan-education-finance-act-updates/michigan-public-education-finance-project-draft/
[21:40] <snap-l> as opposed to the Freep, which is "what the current pro sports team and college teams are doing, mixed with Mitch Albom pretending he's a profound writer"
[21:41] <greg-g> brousch: thanks man!
[21:44] <jrwren> pretty sure many days on new york times best seller list means he is a well sold writer, not a profound writer.
[21:44] <jrwren> although having read a book by him, its obvious he is trying for profound :)
[21:44] <snap-l> jrwren: There's a lot of bleed-over into his column
[21:45]  * snap-l wonders if he could get on the NY Times best seller list for "the book of shit"
[21:46] <snap-l> and get some gigs on talk shows talking about "the book of shit"
[21:46] <brousch> yes
[21:46] <snap-l> What is it about? It's a book of shit.
[21:57] <jrwren> IMO you just described half of the books on said list.