[05:13] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos good morning!
[05:13] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:23] <Kilos> hehe
[05:23] <Kilos> good morning all
[05:23] <Kilos> power going off soon for the day
[05:23] <Kilos> and wednesday
[05:23] <Kilos> sigh
[05:53]  * Kilos will be back when PTA electricity peeps turn the juice on again. will die any minute now
[05:53] <Kilos> sigh
[05:53] <Kilos> take care all of you
[06:51] <jrgns> morning all
[06:54] <superfly> morning jrgns
[07:26] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:26] <mazal> Have major lag , adsl router broken so are on webchat on the work's pc
[07:27] <superfly> morning mazal
[07:27] <Vince-0> SSUUUP
[07:27] <mazal> Does someone know if there is a cli command that will give me a list of all users on my ubuntu server ?
[07:27] <Vince-0> cat /etc/passwd ?
[07:29] <mazal> Ok that works , but looks a bit unneat with the home folder added and the /bin/bash also added
[07:29] <mazal> I would like a list that just shows the username and real name. It's for an inspection report
[07:30] <mazal> And it's about 300 users. So don't really have the time to edit out things that is not neccesary
[07:34] <superfly> mazal: that's why we have scripts
[07:38] <superfly> mazal: here's a starting point: cut -d : -f 1,5 --output-delimiter=", "  /etc/passwd
[07:38]  * mazal can't script
[07:38] <mazal> too blonde
[07:40] <superfly> mazal: command line tools with a bit of bash glue is how it goes... and it's really simple
[07:40] <superfly> mazal: if you're admin'ing an ubuntu server you *need* to know this stuff
[07:41] <mazal> Thanx superfly , that command works perfect
[07:42] <mazal> Ja , but if nobody teach me , how will I know and learn
[07:42] <superfly> mazal: like most other sysadmins, you teach yourself
[07:42] <superfly> mazal: you have access to the internet, not so?
[07:49] <mazal> Sometimes yes
[07:54] <Squirm2> Maaz: coffee on
[07:54]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:54] <superfly> mazal: then make use of the opportunities presented to you
[07:56] <mazal> Now I feel sorry that I dared to come ask for help
[07:56] <superfly> mazal: don't feel sorry, but don't depend on others to teach you... I'd never have my current job if I didn't make a point of teaching myself
[07:58] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Squirm2!
[07:58] <Squirm2> Maaz: thanks
[07:58] <Maaz> Squirm2: Okay :-)
[07:58] <Squirm2> hi Vince-0 
[07:58] <superfly> yo Squirm2 and Vince-0
[07:58] <Squirm2> hi there superfly 
[07:58] <Vince-0_> haai
[07:58] <Squirm2> lol
[07:59] <Squirm2> mazal: people are here to help(I help where i can), google ftw though :)
[07:59] <Squirm2> I try and make these rooms my last resort ^^ But I do end up coming here for help
[08:01] <Squirm2> ...or not
[08:01]  * Squirm2 falls asleep
[11:36] <Kilos> greetings fello buntu peeps and others
[11:37] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[11:37] <Kilos> and the fly too
[11:42] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[11:42]  * Maaz waves to Kilos
[11:42] <Kilos> yay not everyone asleep
[11:44] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[11:44] <Kilos> all good superfly ?
[11:45] <superfly> yup!
[11:45] <Superhuman> nuvolari: you got your ingress sorted?
[11:46] <Kilos> yay
[11:46] <Kilos> hi Superhuman nuvolari 
[11:46] <Superhuman> hey Kilos
[11:46] <Kilos> i have my 12.10 official dvds. so more to play with
[11:47] <Kilos> just hope the server one is 32bit
[12:00] <Kilos> hey Banlam 
[12:07] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[12:07] <Kilos> sup?
[12:10] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[12:10] <Kilos> days are so long without power
[12:24] <Squirm> you can see who is technologically dependant
[12:25] <Kilos> lol
[12:26] <Kilos> i have also spent weeks at a time in the bush with the only technology using gunpowder
[12:42] <nuvolari> Superhuman: not yet :-/
[12:42] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[12:42] <nuvolari> lo Squirm 
[12:42] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[12:43] <Kilos> chair tonight hey
[12:43] <nuvolari> jip, is reg oom Kilos 
[12:43] <Superhuman> awaiting invite?
[12:44] <Kilos> Superhuman, please join us here at 19.30 tonight
[12:45] <nuvolari> Superhuman: yeah
[12:45] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[12:45] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[12:45] <psyatw> hoi nuvolari 
[12:45] <psyatw> and others
[12:45] <nuvolari> hi psyatw 
[12:57] <Squirm> hi nuvolari 
[13:00] <Kilos> this iptables with the masquerading thing is super slow with lotsa packet errors
[13:03] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting tonight guys and gals. Please make an effort to attend
[13:03] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Monthly meeting tonight guys and gals. Please make an effort to attend
[13:04] <Kilos> ill be back shortly. just want to use modem on other pc for updates
[13:46] <Vince-0> what time is the meet?
[13:49] <inetpro> Vince-0: 19:30
[13:49] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos please note as mentioned last month I won't be at the meeting 
[13:49] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[13:50] <inetpro> hi everyone
[13:50] <Vince-0> haai!
[13:50] <Vince-0> gonna use my androIRC client
[13:53] <meesterarend> hi all
[13:57] <magespawn> hi meesterarend
[13:57] <magespawn> Vince-0: i found andchat to be nice too
[13:57] <magespawn> i am now using quasseldroid
[13:58] <Vince-0> gonna be out and about
[14:07] <Kilos> aw inetpro wassup oom?
[14:07] <Kilos> weird and wonderful things here
[14:07] <inetpro> Kilos: goed dankie en self?
[14:08] <Kilos> one pc connects with 3g other one not
[14:08] <Kilos> goed dankie
[14:08] <Kilos> net bietjie warm vandag
[14:08] <Kilos> son bak as jy onkruid uitgrou
[14:17] <Vince-0> Andchat whoot
[14:19] <Vince-0_> Whoami
[14:25] <Vince-0> Androchat and Swype
[14:26] <Vince-0> At least has arrow keys
[14:26] <Vince-0> Be back later
[14:42] <Kilos> aw no pro at meet tonight
[14:42] <Kilos> superfly, maiatoday you gonna be here?
[14:42] <Kilos> please please please
[14:43] <Kilos> and you timkeller and the weedetc
[14:43] <Kilos> oh my weed etc
[14:43] <maiatoday> you have all my best intention Kilos, at this point I want to but life may happen :)
[14:43] <superfly> Kilos: i dunno, ill try
[14:43] <Kilos> ouch
[14:44] <Kilos> life gets in the way of things hey?
[14:44] <Kilos> whew
[14:44] <superfly> Kilos: like maiatoday said, life may get in the way
[14:45] <Kilos> Banlam, barns bakuman bmg505 confluency meeting tonight
[14:46] <bakuman> pif
[14:46] <magespawn> later all see you at the meeting
[14:46] <Kilos> later magespawn  ty
[14:46] <Kilos> whats pif bakuman 
[14:47] <bakuman> niks ek moet nou gaan gym
[14:47] <Kilos> a
[14:47] <Kilos> marie baie mooier as gym
[14:50] <Kilos> plustwo, you gonna be here?
[14:50] <Kilos> and sakhi 
[14:51] <Kilos> buncha lurkers
[15:10] <Kilos> the monkey
[15:10] <Kilos> yay
[15:10] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey 
[15:10] <superfly> *yawn*
[15:10] <Kilos> uh oh you onna train superfly ?
[15:11] <superfly> Ya, just had a nap
[15:11] <Kilos> dont miss your station
[15:11] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[15:11] <kbmonkey> and superfly :)
[15:11] <superfly> Always feels better napping for 15 minutes on the train than hours at home
[15:12] <superfly> Kilos: no chance of that, still 20 minutes to go
[15:12] <superfly> hi kbmonkey
[15:13] <kbmonkey> how goes it?
[15:14] <Kilos> hmm
[15:14] <superfly> Tired. Been working late into the night, got lots to do and a deadline to meet.
[15:15] <Kilos> and you kbmonkey 
[15:15] <Kilos> still havent worked a way onto irc i see
[15:15] <superfly> Releasing version 2.0 of OpenLP on the 1st, busy getting a new site in order, write a manual and get bugs fixed.
[15:15] <Kilos> slacker
[15:15] <kbmonkey> hang in there mr fly
[15:16] <kbmonkey> Kilos you are feeling cheeky today, eh?
[15:16] <Kilos> hehe
[15:16] <Kilos> im too far you cant catch me
[15:16] <Kilos> we we we
[15:16] <superfly> mrs_fly knows I wouldn't have it any other way...
[15:16] <kbmonkey> 3g is responsive tonight. yay.
[15:17] <superfly> kbmonkey: tonight? Where are you, the north pole?
[15:17] <Kilos> mine sucks today cant even apt-get update other pc
[15:17] <Kilos> grrr
[15:17] <kbmonkey> might as well be, superfly ;)
[15:17] <kbmonkey> on friday eve irc had 30s+ ping times. 
[15:17] <superfly> The sun is still *high* in the sky here...
[15:18] <Kilos> at least no brat bugged to today superfly 
[15:18] <kbmonkey> the sun is just setting here
[15:18] <Kilos> she seems to have locked onto supahflahh
[15:18] <superfly> prolly got an hour more of sun before it sets proper
[15:18] <Kilos> hope she aint gone back to winsucks
[15:18] <superfly> Kilos: indeed...
[15:19]  * superfly goes to set up an alert for "supahflahhh" 
[15:19] <Kilos> kbmonkey, take off your shades and you will see its daytime
[15:19] <Kilos> lol
[15:19] <kbmonkey> the guys at work rave about win 8. not even a week later they were nagging how its update feature isnt that clever. ha ha
[15:20] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you missed the news
[15:20] <Kilos> the brat is on 12.10
[15:20] <Kilos> winsucks killed her pc
[15:21] <superfly> kbmonkey: what work do you do?
[15:22] <kbmonkey> a good solution for a bad problem
[15:22] <kbmonkey> superfly, im doing a couple months contract work for a financial institution. C#.
[15:22] <kbmonkey> joined the durbandevelopers group, had a chat to some of the nice folks about FOSS opportunities next year :)
[15:22] <Kilos> hehe as little as possible
[15:23] <Kilos> i go install 12.10 on ians drive
[15:23] <kbmonkey> also I am planning a project with a friend of mine involving biometric access control. that will take at least a year to get going though
[15:23] <superfly> kbmonkey: right, I think you mentioned it before.
[15:23] <Kilos> oo its pretty to start with
[15:24] <Kilos> they added some eye candy for the ms crowd
[15:25] <superfly> i have a friend who was a sworn Gnomite but has switched to KDE
[15:25] <Kilos> kde is cool superfly but slower than gnome2
[15:25] <superfly> Said Gnome is removing features now, and it is no longer usable
[15:26] <superfly> Kilos: anything is slower than Gnome 2. Gnome 2 is dead.
[15:26] <Kilos> yeah i wonder whats with the removing of things that most peeps loved
[15:26] <Kilos> hya ha ha
[15:26] <Kilos> my maverick still rocks
[15:26] <kbmonkey> Openbox is super fast
[15:26]  * kbmonkey zooooms
[15:27] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you *are* a maverick
[15:27] <Kilos> hmm
[15:27] <Kilos> is it gnome kbmonkey 
[15:27] <superfly> alrighty boys, my station next. Be good, and I might just appear briefly tonight.
[15:28] <Kilos> go safe superfly see you later
[15:28] <Kilos> no might
[15:28] <kbmonkey> byeee
[15:29] <kbmonkey> it is not Gnome Kilos. It is Yet Another Window Manager, like Gnome or KDE or ...
[15:29] <Kilos> screenshot?
[15:30] <Kilos> if no top and bottom panels its not too lekker to start with
[15:31] <Kilos> oh my it dont look too stable
[15:31] <kbmonkey> no no, I accidentally logged off. oops.
[15:31] <Kilos> blame 3g
[15:31] <Kilos> lol
[15:32] <kbmonkey> yea yea, it was the 3g ;O
[15:32] <Kilos> mine be kiff since i went to 8ta
[15:32] <Kilos> 3 days off in months
[15:32] <kbmonkey> 8ta is much stabler here too
[15:33] <Kilos> i think they are more stable everywhere they have towers
[15:33] <Kilos> havent heard anyone complain i think
[15:36] <kbmonkey> openbox resembles xfce, almost. here is a small picture from their site: http://ompldr.org/vZ2RhaQ
[15:36] <Kilos> power off here again on wednesday
[15:36] <Kilos> sigh
[15:36] <kbmonkey> but I am using another one called snapwm at the moment. there are no window decorations. lol.
[15:39] <kbmonkey> oh noes
[15:40] <Kilos> what?
[15:40] <kbmonkey> power?
[15:41] <Kilos> ya was off today from 8 am till after 1pm
[15:41] <kbmonkey> eish
[15:41] <Kilos> they putting the 3 lines vertical to make it harder to short them out and trip and steal
[15:43] <Kilos> just gonna put 3g on other pc some 12.10 sees to enable mobile broadband
[15:43] <Kilos> install finished
[15:44] <Kilos> hi birdy505 
[15:44] <Kilos> this is an ubuntu help channel
[15:45] <Kilos> not much here for blackberrys
[15:45] <Kilos> toods
[15:45] <Kilos> wbb now now guys. hold the fort
[15:48] <nuvolari> eek! meeting tonight
[15:48] <nuvolari> I have to go home
[15:49] <kbmonkey> :)
[16:15] <Kilos> sigh unity and its nm probs
[16:16] <Kilos> has enable broadband and sees modem but wont go to 8ta
[16:16] <Kilos> grrr
[16:16] <Kilos> maybe it wants to upgrade first
[16:17] <Kilos> without connection
[16:17] <Kilos> grrr
[16:17] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:17]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:17] <Kilos> Maaz, hurry
[16:17] <Maaz> Making decent coffee is an art Kilos and should never be rushed
[16:20] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn where you been?
[16:20] <Kilos> grrr
[16:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[16:22] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[16:22] <Kilos> i go try modem in 12.10 again
[16:46] <Kilos> aw poor neil be poegaai as well
[17:02] <Kilos> hi meesterarend 
[17:02] <Kilos> i gfo eat
[17:02] <Kilos> wbb for meeting
[17:02] <Kilos> go too
[17:02] <meesterarend> kilos :)
[17:03] <Kilos> you been scarce hey?
[17:03] <Kilos> whew
[17:03] <Kilos> long time no see
[17:03] <meesterarend> yip
[17:03] <meesterarend> we're moving
[17:03] <meesterarend> now we are stuck in bloem till friday
[17:04] <meesterarend> while our furniture is in upinton
[17:04] <meesterarend> I seeprevious mentions of life happening :0
[17:10] <nuvolari> meh, we don't have an agenda
[17:10] <nuvolari> open meeting? :D
[17:10] <kbmonkey> hello again
[17:10] <nuvolari> howdy kbmonkey 
[17:10] <nuvolari> hello meesterarend 
[17:11] <meesterarend> hey
[17:11] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari. we can help make a list of topics?
[17:11] <meesterarend> I saw something about a meeting and since i had nothing do do...
[17:12] <kbmonkey> hello meesterarend 
[17:12] <meesterarend> kbmonkey: :)
[17:13]  * superfly will be back in a bit
[17:15] <Vince-0> Haai
[17:15] <magtie> Hi
[17:16] <meesterarend> hey magtie
[17:16] <kbmonkey> hi Vince-0 and magtie 
[17:16] <magtie> Hi meesterarend
[17:16] <magtie> hi kbmonkey
[17:16] <Vince-0> Oh herrow
[17:17] <meesterarend> 1...2...3...4...37...
[17:17] <meesterarend> did this #grow since i was ere last?
[17:17] <nuvolari> ag no :-/ heck, I always struggle by mind blank for the previous agenda
[17:19] <meesterarend> how about some feedback obout 12.10?
[17:19] <meesterarend> good and bad
[17:21] <queery> hi kids
[17:22] <kbmonkey> nuvolari: ubuntu cd updates
[17:22] <queery> good idea
[17:23] <nuvolari> hmm, will we be havinga meeting on Dec 17th?
[17:23] <nuvolari> (next meeting)
[17:25] <kbmonkey> I'd say yes
[17:25] <nuvolari> ok, agenda updated
[17:27] <nuvolari> oh c'mon!
[17:27] <nuvolari> I want 3. at position 4
[17:27] <meesterarend> looks like its gona be aquick one
[17:27] <nuvolari> but when I set it to 4 it goes to 5
[17:28] <Kilos> hi magtie and others i aint greeted yet
[17:28] <Kilos> we were at 45 a few years back
[17:29] <meesterarend> i remeber 12 at some point in time:)
[17:29] <meesterarend> huge improvement over that
[17:30] <Kilos> ok nuvolari you can start methinks
[17:30] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey 
[17:30] <nuvolari> great. Internal Server Error
[17:30] <superfly> o/
[17:30] <queery> give it 2 more minutes
[17:30] <nuvolari> yeah, I'm not done
[17:30] <Kilos> oh sorry didnt know you busy
[17:31] <nuvolari> hrr!!! :( I have to go through the entire list and update the item order
[17:31] <nuvolari> have they not heard about collections?
[17:31] <meesterarend> nuvolari: we'll w8 for u
[17:32] <kbmonkey> that agenda editor is unwieldy :/
[17:32] <nuvolari> Maaz: Start meeting about Monthly IRC Meeting
[17:32]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:32] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:32] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[17:33] <Kilos> wb magedroid 
[17:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcoming and Introduction
[17:33] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcoming and Introduction
[17:33] <Kilos> lo amanica 
[17:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:33] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[17:33] <magedroid> Maaz I am Greg Eames
[17:33] <Maaz> magedroid: Righto
[17:33] <amanica> hi
[17:33] <magedroid> Evening all
[17:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz I am Wesley Werner
[17:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Yessir
[17:33] <queery> i am dewald
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, i am Miles Sharpe
[17:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[17:33] <meesterarend> Maaz: i am Frans de Waal
[17:33] <Maaz> meesterarend: Sure
[17:33] <queery> maaz: i am dewald
[17:33] <Maaz> queery: Righto
[17:33] <meesterarend> hey amanica
[17:33] <amanica> Maaz: I am Marius Kruger
[17:33] <Maaz> amanica: Yessir
[17:33] <nuvolari> Maaz: I ar baboon
[17:33] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[17:33] <nuvolari> :P
[17:33] <amanica> hi all :)
[17:33] <Kilos> Maaz, welcome
[17:33] <Maaz> Welcome to tonights meeting everyone
[17:34] <nuvolari> righty, welcome everyone
[17:34] <nuvolari> welcome amanica
[17:34] <kbmonkey> hello :)
[17:34] <queery> haaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiii
[17:34] <Kilos> hey queery 
[17:34]  * nuvolari buys queery a dictionary
[17:34] <nuvolari> :P
[17:34] <queery> haha
[17:34] <Kilos> lol
[17:34] <nuvolari> or some keyboard cleaner
[17:35] <nuvolari> everyone introduced?
[17:35] <nuvolari> well, at least everyone that is present
[17:35] <Kilos> Kerbero, where you
[17:35] <Kilos> and Banlam 
[17:35] <kbmonkey> the link to the agenda is in the channel topic
[17:35] <nuvolari> nlsthzn is excused from the meeting
[17:35] <Kilos> en bakuman 
[17:35] <kbmonkey> free for all? ;)
[17:35] <nuvolari> he mailed
[17:35] <Banlam> maaz, i am gareth cawood
[17:35] <Maaz> Banlam: Okay
[17:35] <Kerbero> --> . <--- here
[17:35] <magtie> Maaz: I am Magda Smith
[17:35] <Maaz> magtie: Done
[17:36] <queery> no maia, no drubin, no tumbleweed 
[17:36] <nuvolari> oh! we have a lady :>
[17:36] <nuvolari> welcome magtie 
[17:36] <Kilos> and no inetpro 
[17:36] <nuvolari> where's bytjie?
[17:36] <Kilos> he also said he cant make it
[17:36] <magedroid> One of those things
[17:36] <Kilos> life nuvolari 
[17:36] <Kerbero> Maaz: i think therefore i am jp meijers
[17:36] <Maaz> Kerbero: Huh?
[17:37] <Kerbero> Maaz: i am jp meijers
[17:37] <Maaz> Kerbero: Sure
[17:37] <Banlam> lol
[17:37] <nuvolari> alrighty
[17:37] <Kilos> lol
[17:37] <nuvolari> lol
[17:37] <queery> JP!
[17:37] <Banlam> even a bot quesions your existence
[17:37] <Kerbero> dewald!
[17:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes
[17:37] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes
[17:37] <nuvolari> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/15/%23ubuntu-za.html#t17:30
[17:37] <nuvolari> for anyone interested ^^
[17:38] <nuvolari> we had a busy meeting last time
[17:38] <nuvolari> after the draught of the one before that :P
[17:38] <Kilos> drought
[17:38] <Kilos> hey deegee_1 
[17:38] <nuvolari> that too :P
[17:38] <kbmonkey> draft of draught? ;)
[17:38] <nuvolari> thanks oom Kilos 
[17:38] <Kilos> where drussel be
[17:38] <nuvolari> droogte
[17:39] <nuvolari> welcome deegee_1 
[17:39] <Kilos> daai ding ja
[17:39] <deegee_1> o/ all
[17:39] <nuvolari> hmm, I bet everyone not here is busy with Ingress :P
[17:39] <meesterarend> I have to go...mosqito emergency...apparently
[17:39] <Kilos> deegee_1, sing in with maaz please
[17:39] <nuvolari> sign too :P
[17:39] <Kilos> we need you registered
[17:39] <queery> I want an invetation!!!
[17:39] <nuvolari> me too :-/
[17:39] <Kerbero> i want a beta invite too
[17:40] <deegee_1> Maaz: I am Oupa
[17:40] <Maaz> deegee_1: Sure
[17:40] <kbmonkey> before we move to the first item, can I get a cheer for FOSS?!
[17:40] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[17:40]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:40] <queery> Maaz, sing
[17:40] <Maaz> queery: What?
[17:40]  * nuvolari cheers for FOSS
[17:40] <Kilos> yay foss
[17:40]  * kbmonkey Cheers!
[17:41]  * magedroid cheers for foss
[17:41]  * deegee_1 haihai for FOSS
[17:41] <amanica> YEAH
[17:41] <magedroid> Or FOSS
[17:41] <Kilos> is there a diffs tween foss and FOSS
[17:41] <nuvolari> wb queery 
[17:41] <queery> I really dislike telkom
[17:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[17:42] <Maaz> nuvolari: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[17:42] <nuvolari> :O
[17:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: I do!
[17:42] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[17:42] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[17:42] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[17:42] <nuvolari> yes, you be sorry
[17:42] <queery> Maaz, coffee please
[17:42] <Maaz> queery: Righto
[17:42] <nuvolari> next topic?
[17:42] <Kilos> yip
[17:42] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Administrativia and Announcements
[17:43] <Maaz> Current Topic: Administrativia and Announcements
[17:43] <nuvolari> I don't have any announcements :P
[17:43] <nuvolari> queery added ubuntu cd updates for us
[17:43] <queery> yea
[17:44] <kbmonkey> thanks queery :
[17:44] <queery> I was in stb 2 weeks ago and picked up the jhb CD's
[17:44] <nuvolari> I didn't get around to applying for CD's from bytjie
[17:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari, Kilos and queery!
[17:44] <bmg505> am I in time?
[17:44] <nuvolari> thank you Maaz 
[17:44] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:44] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:44] <queery> so will get it to the designated peopl as soon as I get back from bloem
[17:44] <nuvolari> bmg505: yup, welcome
[17:44] <bmg505> lo all
[17:44] <queery> Maaz, ty
[17:44] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[17:44] <nuvolari> bmg505: ID to Maaz 
[17:45] <queery> Maaz, bot snack
[17:45] <Maaz> thanks, queery
[17:45] <kbmonkey> lo bmg505, welcome
[17:45] <Kerbero> are there still some cd's left in/around stellenbosch?
[17:45] <Kilos> hi TaraLS bmg505 sign in with maaz please
[17:45] <nuvolari> bmg505: "Maaz: I am ...."
[17:45] <TaraLS> Yo Kilos.
[17:45] <queery> maia should have some yes
[17:45] <kbmonkey> welcome TaraLS
[17:45] <Kerbero> ok
[17:45] <nuvolari> hi TaraLS 
[17:45] <bmg505> Maaz, I am here
[17:45] <Maaz> bmg505: Done
[17:45] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, Thanks. :)
[17:45] <TaraLS> nuvolari,  Hiya.
[17:45] <nuvolari> TaraLS: joining us for the meeting?
[17:45] <nuvolari> lol bmg505 
[17:45] <queery> who wants official CDs?
[17:45] <TaraLS> Oops, I forgot that was a meeting
[17:45] <bmg505> Maaz, coffee pretty please
[17:45] <Maaz> bmg505: Go get it yourself!
[17:45] <bmg505> oi
[17:46] <Kerbero> i still have a few 12.04 LTS (and server) cd's if anyone really desperately wants to complete their collection
[17:46] <nuvolari> lol 
[17:46] <Kerbero> contact me
[17:46] <Kilos> TaraLS, you welcome to stay
[17:46] <queery> I also now have LTS and 12.10
[17:46] <TaraLS> Well, I just came on to ask a question, actually.
[17:46] <Kilos> onl 45 mins left
[17:46] <Kilos> after meet ok?
[17:46] <TaraLS> Okay.
[17:46] <bmg505> never run dselect remotely after you did a dpkg --set-selections :(
[17:47] <TaraLS> If I'm still up, I'll be back in about forty-five mins. :P
[17:47] <Kilos> k
[17:47] <nuvolari> cool
[17:47] <nuvolari> I might have missed more CD activity
[17:47] <queery> so if anyone want's CD's please send a mail to the list
[17:47] <nuvolari> life is passing me really quick these days
[17:47] <nuvolari> :-/
[17:48] <queery> I wish, my holiday is taking so long o come
[17:48] <superfly> is the meeting over already?
[17:48] <nuvolari> Do we have anything to administrate?
[17:49] <nuvolari> noo superfly 
[17:49] <kbmonkey> hey, who says geeks cannot multi-task?
[17:49] <nuvolari> you are welcome to join still :P
[17:49] <superfly> oh, cause people are talking about holidays and stuff
[17:49] <queery> get your butt in here
[17:49] <magedroid> a big shout out to all those who were involved in getting andndistrubuting the official cds
[17:49] <nuvolari> superfly: it falls under administrativia and announcements :P we announce where we go 
[17:50] <queery> mostly Maia
[17:50] <queery> hehe
[17:50] <nuvolari> yeah, maia is a big helping hand in that
[17:50] <queery> Does anyone in bloem need CD's?
[17:50] <nuvolari> We love you Maia!
[17:50] <nuvolari> :P
[17:50] <nuvolari> queery: I'm going to bloem in Dec.
[17:50] <bmg505> is multiple sound cards still a problem in 12.10?
[17:51] <queery> im going to bloem on wednesday
[17:51] <nuvolari> bmg505: 12.10 discussion in next topic
[17:51] <bmg505> o_O
[17:51] <bmg505> oki doki
[17:51] <nuvolari> meesterarend: ^^ do you need CD's?
[17:51] <queery> bmg505: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/496/detail/
[17:51] <kbmonkey> I have 12.10 ISO's and am happy to share those too. No official CD's though.
[17:51] <kbmonkey> ah okay
[17:52] <queery> shall we move on
[17:52]  * nuvolari wonders where meesterarend went
[17:52] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:52] <queery> I know bmg505 wants us to
[17:52] <Kilos> hehe
[17:52] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic 12.10 Feedback
[17:52] <Maaz> Current Topic: 12.10 Feedback
[17:52] <queery> ag seker nie ver nie
[17:52] <nuvolari> bmg505: ready, steady, go!
[17:52] <nuvolari> :P
[17:53] <queery> maaz seen bmg505 
[17:53] <Maaz> queery: bmg505 was last seen 1 minute and 50 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-11-19 09:51:20 PST], and has been online on freenode since 2012-11-18 19:25:31 PST
[17:53] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you don't know anyone with carrier pidgeons we can send around with a usb stick of ISO's? ;)
[17:53] <nuvolari> I decided to stay on 12.04, so I'm sitting out for now
[17:53] <Kilos> 12.10 nm works and can enable mobile broadband but i havent actually got it to connect to 8ta yet even though it tries
[17:53] <queery> ok so 12.10 has some security problems
[17:54] <Kilos> lol @ kbmonkey 
[17:54] <nuvolari> oom Kilos do you have a vodacom setup too?
[17:54] <nuvolari> you can use the same profile for the networks
[17:54] <Kilos> nope
[17:54] <nuvolari> oh
[17:54] <nuvolari> meh
[17:54] <Kilos> have a sim though will get some airtime to check
[17:55] <kbmonkey> Ill set up a dual boot, I will try my 8ta and let you know Kilos 
[17:55] <nuvolari> I set up 8ta, mtn and vodacom but realized the other day I only need one :P
[17:55] <bmg505> 12.04 I had to hack the config files to make bundle queries work for vodacom contract users
[17:55] <Kilos> it shows 8ta in the setup so will need some investigation
[17:55] <Banlam> lol
[17:55] <Banlam> even with your own private server
[17:55] <Banlam> oops
[17:55] <Banlam> wrong channel
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <nuvolari> Banlam: we need your undivided attention... :P
[17:56] <Banlam> yeah, think it's back
[17:56] <kbmonkey> bmg505 it will be neat if you can submit your hacks to the ubuntu wiki :)
[17:56] <amanica> I'm pretty happy with 12.10, Just had some probjems with Thunderbird freezing on IO, but got that sorted now..
[17:56] <Kerbero> :)
[17:56] <bmg505> I am 49 years old and cannot fathom this wiki shyte
[17:56] <queery> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-amazon-ads-and-data-leaks
[17:56] <Kilos> ballie
[17:57] <queery> oom Kilos !!!
[17:57] <bmg505> I can still shoot straight
[17:57] <nuvolari> lol
[17:57] <magedroid> First thing i did was remove the amazon lense
[17:57] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57] <queery> that's what he said last night
[17:57] <kbmonkey> lol bmg505! fair enough. 
[17:57] <Kilos> yeah and all the office stuff
[17:58] <queery> office stuff?
[17:58] <Kerbero> lol queery, nie hier nie
[17:58] <Kerbero> :P
[17:58] <Kilos> libreoffice
[17:58] <queery> woks fine...
[17:58] <Kilos> it fills the launcher
[17:58] <nuvolari> libreoffice is great to use these days
[17:59] <Kilos> it launches automatically to work so dont need to see it all the time
[17:59] <queery> you can always detatch it
[17:59] <Kilos> important things go in the launcher like xchat pidgin and evolution
[18:00] <queery> no not evolution
[18:00] <Kilos> ya i just removed from launcher
[18:00] <queery> never again....
[18:00] <nuvolari> gmail FTW? :D
[18:00] <Kilos> my evo is much better than thunderbird on pop
[18:00] <nuvolari> *googledocs
[18:00] <nuvolari> *drive
[18:00] <queery> yea import all your pop or imap emails...
[18:01] <Kilos> and evo makes lekker backups that i couldnt find in thunderbird
[18:01] <bmg505> this launcher thing is quite irritating, but it works quite well in the end
[18:01] <queery> one does get used to it
[18:01] <Kilos> yes just an extra click needed
[18:02]  * nuvolari <3 xfce
[18:03] <nuvolari> .
[18:03] <queery> next topic?
[18:03] <nuvolari> did I scare everyone away?
[18:03] <magedroid> Indeed nuvolari
[18:03] <Kilos> anymore 12.10 feedback
[18:03] <Kilos> bmg505, ?
[18:03] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:03] <bmg505> ooo does multiple sound card work easily under 12.10?
[18:03] <queery> haha
[18:03] <amanica> when thunderberd became unusable, I tried evilution, but it swallowed all my outgoing mail
[18:04] <queery> havent tried it
[18:04] <amanica> took me a week to be sure :(
[18:04] <nuvolari> ok, holding on for bmg505 
[18:04] <nuvolari> :P
[18:04] <bmg505> the bastard that thought up alsa should be shot
[18:04] <Kerbero> i've been using multiple sound cards since 8.10
[18:04] <nuvolari> wb kbmonkey 
[18:04] <Kerbero> works fine
[18:04] <queery> wb kbmonkey 
[18:04] <Kerbero> although i'm still running 12.04 now
[18:04] <kbmonkey_> thanks :)
[18:04] <kbmonkey_> switched to 2g. 
[18:04] <Kerbero> bmg505: but ubuntu uses pulse
[18:04] <nuvolari> rather pulseaudio
[18:04] <bmg505> 12.04 does not allow for nice switching between them, and jack does not really work
[18:04] <Kerbero> uhm
[18:04] <nuvolari> pulseaudio drives me nuts!
[18:05] <Kerbero> i switch fine between them on 12.04
[18:05] <bmg505> the pulse audio writer should be stoned and not shot
[18:05] <amanica> If sound is your thing you may want to try out ubuntu studio with Jack all sorted etc.
[18:05] <Kilos> why 2 sound cards bmg505 ?
[18:05] <bmg505> I use one for the normal sound and one for my ham radio digital stuff
[18:05] <Kilos> ah
[18:05] <Kilos> wb kbmonkey 
[18:05] <bmg505> under 10.04 jack worked and it was fine from 10.10 it was broken
[18:06] <queery> ah
[18:06] <Kilos> wow mine works on 10.10
[18:06] <Kilos> you missed something
[18:06] <queery> 12 maybe?
[18:06] <bmg505> soz 11.04 10.10 still worked
[18:06] <Kilos> 11.04 the probs started
[18:07] <bmg505> 12.04 is a stuff up
[18:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:07] <Kilos> pc related probs maybe
[18:07] <kbmonkey> sound layer cake is a strange beast in linux
[18:07] <bmg505> yea right, I put had drive with loosedoze and it weks
[18:07] <bmg505> *hard
[18:08] <bmg505> its the same pc where every thing worked under 10.10
[18:08] <bmg505> Let me maar look, it jsut annoying when something that worked perfectly is broken on the next update
[18:08] <Kilos> must be something you need to install or add bmg505 
[18:08] <Kilos> yeah
[18:09] <bmg505> and if I add the usb sound pod, everything goes south after that
[18:09] <kbmonkey> if they are both pci's, perhaps a conflicting irq from driver regressions?
[18:09] <bmg505> the problem is simple, the applications either wants alsa, or pulse or jack
[18:10] <bmg505> wit halsa it never works and they do not play well together (applications and mixing)
[18:10] <kbmonkey> iirc jack is a layer on top of oss, alsa, 
[18:10] <kbmonkey> sorry nuvolari, we digress :p
[18:11] <bmg505> under pulse everytime you make a change it regresses straight ot the operating system and proceeds to stuff that up
[18:11] <nuvolari> no problem, we are still on 12.10 feedback
[18:11] <bmg505> and jack jsut does not work under 12.04
[18:11] <bmg505> let me try this 12.10
[18:11] <bmg505> will report back
[18:11] <nuvolari> and I agree on this audio stuff, it's somewhat of a mess 
[18:11] <kbmonkey> oh :/
[18:11] <queery> Maaz, sing
[18:11] <Maaz> queery: sing is lala lala laaaaa laaaaa
[18:11] <bmg505> its more like a nuclear spill
[18:12] <nuvolari> lol Maaz 
[18:12] <nuvolari> ok, we need positive feedback too...
[18:12] <nuvolari> otherwise we need to progress quick
[18:12] <magedroid> Well i have not had any problems
[18:12] <Kilos> 12.10 is pretty to start the install
[18:12] <bmg505> ooo another thing why does nfs not install by default?
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I'll get some progress after I setup the dualboot. 
[18:13] <Kilos> bmg505, they remove some default stuff to save space
[18:13] <Kilos> like aptitude and gdebi
[18:13] <bmg505> nfs is a show stopper for guys not using loosedoze at all
[18:15] <nuvolari> hmm, maybe we need to move on
[18:15] <bmg505> must I upgrade my 12.04 or do a clean install
[18:15] <kbmonkey> isn't nfs still owned by sun? or oracle, now?
[18:15] <nuvolari> just to finish on time
[18:15] <Kilos> yip
[18:15] <Kilos> go
[18:15] <kbmonkey> yes, lets
[18:15] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[18:15] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[18:15] <kbmonkey> we can debate after ;)
[18:15] <bmg505> np
[18:15] <nuvolari> afaik there is a DLUG meeting coming up
[18:15] <nuvolari> or at least being discussed
[18:15] <nuvolari> I'm not sure that I'll be around for it :-/
[18:16] <kbmonkey> I should be, I think its for a weekend in Dec
[18:16] <nuvolari> but before running before the cart, were there any past events?
[18:16] <queery> did we talk about how the release parties went?
[18:16] <amanica> I was quite happy with the centurion release party, would just have liked more people to attend.
[18:16] <queery> amen
[18:17] <nuvolari> The durban one was fun!
[18:17] <kbmonkey> the SFD get together!
[18:17] <kbmonkey> we were graced by a few Tux's
[18:18] <nuvolari> I copied the wrong repo's from William 
[18:18]  * nuvolari facepalms
[18:18] <Kilos> ai
[18:19] <nuvolari> er
[18:19] <Kilos> 10 mins
[18:19] <nuvolari> nothing else?
[18:19] <queery> haha
[18:19] <queery> was there any other parties?
[18:20] <kbmonkey> I will grab the 12.10 repos from him during the December meet
[18:20] <kbmonkey> then we can always have another meet early Jan again
[18:20] <kbmonkey> I'm empty
[18:20] <queery> Kerbero, did you get one organised?
[18:21] <nuvolari> ok
[18:21]  * kbmonkey pings
[18:21] <Kerbero> the cape twon ones were very imaginary
[18:21]  * nuvolari pongs kbmonkey
[18:21] <kbmonkey> 35 seconds :O
[18:21] <nuvolari> joh
[18:22] <queery> oi
[18:22] <nuvolari> ok, I think everyone fell asleep
[18:22] <queery> prob
[18:22] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:22] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect chairperson for next meeting
[18:22]  * Kilos votes nuvolari 
[18:22] <nuvolari> If you guys are happy with my chairing, I'm available :P
[18:22] <kbmonkey> nuvolari you may be away right? I can chair next one if you like
[18:23] <magedroid> +1
[18:23] <queery> +2
[18:23] <nuvolari> well, I will stil have internet in bloem :P
[18:23] <nuvolari> not disappearing off the net
[18:23] <kbmonkey> great :>
[18:23] <nuvolari> just moving geopgraphically for a while
[18:23] <kbmonkey> +1 i'll be on standby for the unforseen then
[18:23] <amanica> cool, +1
[18:23] <nuvolari> ossum, thanks kbmonkey 
[18:23] <Kilos> they got satelite anttenae on the ox wagons nowadays
[18:24] <nuvolari> lol oom Kilos 
[18:24] <Kilos> hehe
[18:24] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha
[18:24] <Kilos> skuus man
[18:24] <magedroid> Ip over carrier pigeon network
[18:24] <kbmonkey> oxelite
[18:24] <Kilos> haha
[18:24] <nuvolari> wtf!? :-( watching 50/50. sick people - a monkey was fed a banana stuffed with a cracker
[18:24] <Kilos> move on nuvolari 
[18:25] <Kilos> ai
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting chair nuvolari
[18:25] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting chair nuvolari
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed next meeting standby chair kbmonkey 
[18:25] <Maaz> Agreed: next meeting standby chair kbmonkey
[18:25] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Closing
[18:25] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing
[18:25] <nuvolari> Right, thanks for a good meeting everyone
[18:25] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, thanks!
[18:25] <kbmonkey> Maaz, thanks!
[18:25] <Maaz> kbmonkey: No problem
[18:25] <Kilos> ty nuvolari 
[18:25] <nuvolari> thanks for being here and making the time to be here
[18:26] <magedroid> Thats all folks.
[18:26] <kbmonkey> kbmonkey, thanks! 
[18:26] <deegee_1> thanks nuvolari 
[18:26] <nuvolari> I know it's tight for everyone closer to the end of the year
[18:26] <Kilos> gracias amigos
[18:26] <queery> thanx guys and nuvolari 
[18:26] <nuvolari> we appreciate you all being here and to bring in your part to the community
[18:26] <kbmonkey> Father Tux-mas will reward you well
[18:26] <Kilos> superfly, finished now
[18:26] <nuvolari> You're welcome guys and gals :)
[18:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[18:27] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:27] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.html
[18:27] <Kilos> went smoothly methinks
[18:27] <nuvolari> +1
[18:27] <nuvolari> went better than planned
[18:27] <nuvolari> (there was no planning)
[18:27] <nuvolari> :P
[18:27] <nuvolari> coffeee!!
[18:28] <nuvolari> need coffee!
[18:28] <Kilos> ya
[18:28] <kbmonkey> ad-hoc agile standups ftw!
[18:28] <queery> Maaz, coffee on
[18:28]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:28] <nuvolari> hmm, standup typists
[18:28] <queery> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:28] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:28] <nuvolari> I can't present to save my life
[18:28] <kbmonkey> Kilos you can tell Tara we are done playing meeting
[18:29] <Kilos> lol she maybe asleep
[18:29] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[18:29] <Maaz> nuvolari: Alrighty
[18:29] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee please!
[18:29] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Alrighty
[18:29] <nuvolari> she must come sing for us in ASCII art :P
[18:29] <Kilos> 6.30 am there
[18:29] <queery> ok who knows how to set factoids on this bloody bot
[18:29] <queery> I forgot
[18:30] <Kilos> her staus in pidgin has changed to "Oh computer why do you hate me"
[18:30] <nuvolari> Maaz: help factoid
[18:30] <Maaz> nuvolari: Factoids are arbitrary pieces of information stored by a key. Factoids beginning with a command such as "<action>" or "<reply>" will supress the "name verb value" output. Search and replace functions won't use real regexs unless appended with the 'r' flag.
[18:30] <Maaz> You can use it like this:
[18:30] <Maaz>   search [for] [<limit>] [(facts|values) [containing]] (<pattern>|/<pattern>/[r]) [from <start>]
[18:30] <Maaz>   literal <name> [( #<from number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[18:30] <Maaz>   forget <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[18:30] <Maaz>   <name> is the same as <other name>
[18:30] <Maaz>   <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )] += <suffix>
[18:30] <Maaz>   <name> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )] ~= ( s/<regex>/<replacement>/[g][i][r] | y/<source>/<dest>/ )
[18:30] <Maaz>   <factoid> [( #<number> | /<pattern>/[r] )]
[18:30] <Maaz>   <name> (<verb>|=<verb>=) [also] <value>
[18:30] <Maaz>   last set factoid
[18:30] <nuvolari> eish
[18:30] <nuvolari> spam uncool Maaz 
[18:30] <Kilos> what you wanna do queery 
[18:30] <queery> I tried didn't work right
[18:30] <Kilos> what
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: queery is on irc
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: I'll remember that
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: queery 
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: queery is on irc
[18:31] <deegee_1> sayounara o/
[18:31] <Kilos> toods deegee_1 go well
[18:31] <Kilos> ty for attending
[18:31] <nuvolari> cheers deegee_1 
[18:31] <Kilos> kinda
[18:31] <queery> he must sing lalalal not say sing is lalala
[18:31] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee is liquid code
[18:31] <Maaz> kbmonkey: If you say so
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget about queery 
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: I didn't know about about queery anyway
[18:31] <Kilos> tell him forget sing
[18:31] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget queery 
[18:31] <Maaz> nuvolari: Done
[18:32] <Banlam> sing
[18:32] <Banlam> maaz sing
[18:32] <Maaz> Banlam: Huh?
[18:32] <queery> i let him forget
[18:32] <Kilos> there its gone
[18:32] <queery> Maaz, sing is lalalala
[18:32] <Maaz> queery: I'll remember that
[18:32] <queery> sing
[18:32] <queery> Maaz, sing
[18:32] <Maaz> queery: sing is lalalala
[18:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for queery, nuvolari and kbmonkey!
[18:32] <nuvolari> thanks Maaz 
[18:32] <queery> Maaz, ty
[18:32] <Maaz> You are welcome queery
[18:32]  * nuvolari puts on the real kettle
[18:32] <nuvolari> brb
[18:33] <kbmonkey> boiling irl 
[18:33] <queery> Maaz, sing at Banlam 
[18:33] <Maaz> queery: *blink*
[18:33] <Kilos> kbmonkey, no excuse to not visit a bit at nights hey?
[18:33] <queery> I used to know how to set all of these
[18:33] <Kilos> old age queery 
[18:33] <queery> he said....
[18:34] <Banlam> maaz, sing [la la la]
[18:34] <Maaz> Banlam: What?
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <queery> Maaz, when sing then lalalala
[18:34] <Maaz> queery: Excuse me?
[18:34] <queery> wheres barns!!!!!
[18:35] <queery> or his creator
[18:35] <queery> Tumblweed!!!!
[18:35] <queery> tumbleweed, 
[18:35] <Banlam> maaz, why won't you help us
[18:35] <Maaz> Banlam: Sorry...
[18:35] <Banlam> yes, you should be
[18:35] <queery> Maaz, botsmack
[18:35] <Maaz> *cringe*
[18:35] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos ;)
[18:36] <kbmonkey> ha ha ha! 
[18:36] <Kilos> lol
[18:36] <Banlam> why is there no documentation
[18:36] <Banlam> maaz, help file
[18:36] <Maaz> Banlam: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[18:36] <queery> there is
[18:36] <queery> maaz help
[18:36] <Maaz> queery: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[18:36] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[18:36] <Banlam> maaz, sudo documentation
[18:36] <Maaz> Banlam: Excuse me?
[18:37] <Kilos> magtie, you said nothing tonight
[18:37] <Kilos> tannie magtie 
[18:37] <magedroid> Maaz help me with monitering things
[18:37] <Maaz> magedroid: I'm afraid I don't know what you are asking about. Ask "what can you do" to browse my features.
[18:38] <magedroid> Maaz help me with monitoring things
[18:38] <Maaz> magedroid: I use the following features for monitoring things: coffee, http, icecast, meeting and ping
[18:38] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[18:38] <Kilos> queery, what are you trying to do
[18:38] <magtie> Kilos ja, ek het gelees!
[18:38] <kbmonkey> man Maaz 
[18:38] <Kilos> a ok 
[18:38] <queery> wil he: maaz, sing "maaz: lalalaa"
[18:38] <Kilos> Maaz, forget sing
[18:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, sing is <reply> la la la la laaaaa
[18:39] <Maaz> Kilos: I'll remember that
[18:39] <kbmonkey> like to install 12.10 tonight... wonders..
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, sing
[18:39] <Maaz> la la la la laaaaa
[18:39] <Banlam> omf
[18:39] <Banlam> wd
[18:39] <queery> yeaaaaaiii
[18:39] <magedroid> Nice one Kilos
[18:39] <kbmonkey> good work!
[18:39] <Kilos> i play with my bot when not fighting pc stuff
[18:40] <queery> hehe
[18:40] <kbmonkey> so that tale of old dog new tricks is all a lie?!
[18:40] <Kilos> rofl
[18:40] <magedroid> Define old
[18:40] <kbmonkey> it's all trial and error
[18:40] <magedroid> Old is a state of mind
[18:40] <Kilos> old is when you have given up
[18:40] <kbmonkey> maaz, growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional
[18:40] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Got it
[18:41] <magedroid> Ibid classroom
[18:41] <Kilos> Maaz, ibid channel
[18:41] <Maaz> irc://autumn.cpt.za.atrum.org
[18:41] <Kilos> they can help you
[18:42] <kbmonkey> a texas hold'em bot might be fun
[18:42] <Kilos> but the weed seems to be very busy or asleep
[18:42] <kbmonkey> then again, games demand time :p
[18:45] <magedroid> Maaz define old
[18:45] <Maaz> magedroid: Old \Old\ ([=o]ld), n. Open country. [Obs.] See {World}. --Shak. [1913 Webster], Old \Old\, a. [Compar. {Older}; superl. {Oldest}.] [OE. old, ald, AS. ald, eald; akin to D. oud, OS. ald, OFries. ald, old, G. alt, Goth. alpeis, and also to Goth. alan to grow up, Icel. ala to bear, produce, bring up, L. alere to nourish. Cf. {Adult}, {Alderman}, {Aliment},
[18:45] <Maaz> {Auld}, {Elder}.] [1913 Webster] 1. Not young; advanced far in years or life; having liv…
[18:45] <Kilos> kbmonkey, hows work going?
[18:45] <kbmonkey> eeek, its long and boring and silly like a circus, Kilos ;)
[18:45] <Kilos> aw
[18:46] <Kilos> better when you busy and enjoying it
[18:46] <Kilos> only then you get old quicker cause time flies
[18:46] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[18:47] <magedroid> Brb
[18:48] <Kilos> hmm
[18:49] <Kilos> she came and went
[18:49] <Kilos> wb TaraLS 
[18:49] <TaraLS> Thanks.
[18:49] <Kilos> wassup
[18:49] <TaraLS> Well
[18:49] <TaraLS> Firstly
[18:50] <kbmonkey> welcome back Tara
[18:50] <magedroid> Quasseldroid really not plaaying the game tonight
[18:50] <kbmonkey> andchat!
[18:50] <TaraLS> My comp had been on for twenty-ish minutes, and I was converting a video from Youtube on VLC to MPEG4. It had 55 mins to go (that's how big the video is, and it was going at a rate of about 1 second per second of video), and it froze at roughly 15mins.
[18:51] <TaraLS> So I hard-restarted the computer but just held it down so it would switch off completely, and then went to bed. Three hours later, in a cold room (so the equipment wasn't overheated), I turned the comp on, and it froze within minutes whilst I was running the mouse cursor over my little Unity taskbar icons.
[18:51] <Kilos> ouch
[18:51] <TaraLS> I just wanted to know if these two issues could be related to whatever my problem is, of if it's something more specific/different?
[18:52] <queery> TaraLS, you shouldn't hard restart
[18:52] <zeref> TaraLS: what to the logs say? /var/log/Syslog?
[18:52] <TaraLS> I couldn't restart it normally. It froze.
[18:52] <Kilos> the freezing i am sure is all related to the prob you started with
[18:52] <magedroid> Sounds more and more like the board is on it's way out
[18:52] <TaraLS> I noticed on Hardware Sensors Indicator that my MB temp was at about 42c, so I put my fan in front of it and it took it down to 31c in about ten minutes. It hasn't gone below that.
[18:53] <Kilos> TaraLS, tail /var/log/syslog
[18:53] <TaraLS> Despite these temps changing, the little bar next to is still red to indicate hot/danger/whatever,
[18:53] <Kilos> in terminal
[18:53] <TaraLS> One sec. Lemme get.
[18:54] <Kilos> or you want cat zeref 
[18:54] <Kilos> you gotta give her the full command
[18:54] <TaraLS> This is all I got from tail /var etc http://paste.ubuntu.com/1370737/
[18:54] <TaraLS> Anyway, I got the MP temperature down to 31c, and it's still reading as red for hot, and my comp has frozen once since.
[18:54] <TaraLS> I noticed that the core temps go up, however, when I'm trying to convert that video from Youtube.
[18:55] <Kilos> up how high
[18:55] <kbmonkey> that sounds very much like hardware Tara.
[18:55] <queery> TaraLS, rather hold:(Ctrl+Alt+shift+sysRq) then type slowly while holding: REISUB (to remember it Restart Even If System Utterly Broken)
[18:55] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I know it's hardware. I was just wondering if anyone could pinpoint which one it is with this new info.
[18:55] <magedroid> what is device fd0
[18:56] <TaraLS> queery,  Okay, I will try that next time.
[18:56] <TaraLS> magedroid, I have no idea.
[18:56] <Kilos> floppy
[18:56] <Kilos> not there
[18:56] <TaraLS> Wait, what's sysRq?
[18:56] <queery> are you on a laptop or computer
[18:56] <TaraLS> Desktop
[18:56] <Kilos> desk
[18:56] <magedroid> so then why would it care?
[18:56] <queery> it should be with printscrn
[18:56] <TaraLS> Okay.
[18:57] <kbmonkey> first step is to reseat your memory modules, and other cards too. it sounds strange, but over time these things do happen.
[18:57] <magedroid> card creep
[18:57] <Kilos> my install today also sees a floppy but there aint even a cable in'
[18:57] <TaraLS> queery: So you mean I have to hold down ALL those buttons AND try to type REISUB?
[18:57] <queery> hehe yae
[18:57] <magedroid> hah how is that right?
[18:57] <kbmonkey> if it still happens, you can try use the 'memory test' option when you boot a live CD.
[18:57] <queery> its called the 5 finger salute
[18:58] <queery> I still have to hold Fn as well
[18:58] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I've taken out the graphics card, and I've alternately taken out each of my 2gig RAM sticks
[18:58] <kbmonkey> okay, you are ahead of us TaraLS :)
[18:58] <TaraLS> If only it made a difference. :(
[18:59] <Kilos> kbmonkey, its mb psu or something mb related
[18:59] <magedroid> i do not see why it is trying fd0 though?
[18:59] <TaraLS> I even ran the comp with one RAM in, and then the other, but each time, it still froze (when I did the thing that I KNOW for sure causes a freeze; which is watch Youtube/stream video)
[18:59] <Kilos> not plug in cards
[18:59] <TaraLS> magedroid,  Me neither. I even disabled the floppy in BIOS
[18:59] <TaraLS> Which reminds me.
[18:59] <TaraLS> My AI Overclocking was at 5% of a possible 30%
[18:59] <TaraLS> I just changed it to AUTO.
[18:59] <kbmonkey> this happens when video is involved? so video card or overheating as you suspect.
[18:59] <TaraLS> And changed CPU Q-Fan from Optimal to Performance.
[19:00] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Nope. I took that out and used the onboard video card.
[19:00] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Same thing. 
[19:00] <kbmonkey> the plot thickens...
[19:00] <TaraLS> Unless it's the onboard one. Even so, if I'm using an aftermarket video card, and not the motherboard one, wouldn't the motherboard one automatically disable?
[19:00] <TaraLS> lol
[19:00] <kbmonkey> your problem will become hard to troubleshoot at this point :(
[19:00] <TaraLS> I think it's CPU, PSU, or motherboard.
[19:01] <TaraLS> I just wanted to try narrow it down a bit more before I start spending money I can't spare replacing parts.
[19:01] <kbmonkey> faulty power supplies can also do this. the only way to test that is to swap it out. but keep that as your last test.
[19:01] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Can any Desktop power supply go in any Desktop computer?
[19:01] <magedroid> does the mb do a full post TaraLS ?
[19:01] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  My current one is 400w.
[19:01] <TaraLS> magedroid,  What's a full post?
[19:02] <kbmonkey> have a old psu you can use?
[19:02] <magedroid> Power On Self Test
[19:02] <TaraLS> magedroid, I have... no idea.
[19:02] <magedroid> lol how many beeps do hear when you start the machine?
[19:02] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I have another computer, but it's one of those horizontal towers, not a vertical one. The plug in the back of the PSU looks the same, though.
[19:02] <kbmonkey> usually yes, TaraLS. in cases where you have a powerful graphics card, it will need a larger power supply. but for onboard, you can get away with less
[19:03] <Kilos> psu should be similar
[19:03] <TaraLS> magedroid,  Ohhh. Uh. None. But it makes a nifty mechanical-type noise. Doodoop-doop. and then doop. Not a beep, per se.
[19:03] <Kilos> even if its 350w try it
[19:03] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  My aftermarket card is a GeForce 9500 GT
[19:03] <kbmonkey> the power units are all the same (unless its like a micro case that is unusually small)
[19:03] <magedroid> lol @ TaraLS 
[19:03] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Okay.
[19:04] <TaraLS> lol
[19:04] <TaraLS> It's really hard to describe.
[19:04] <TaraLS> Oh oh oh
[19:04] <kbmonkey> let me check in my case quick...
[19:04] <TaraLS> It sounds like the sound that a printer makes when it's printing out a long line
[19:04] <TaraLS> That zzzzzp sound
[19:05] <magedroid> does not sound too good, bit hard to go on the desricption though
[19:05] <kbmonkey> heard that bohemiam rhapsody that guy made using only hardware programmed to do stuff on schedule. too good.
[19:05] <TaraLS> magedroid,  I think it has always made that noise, though. And I've only had issues for the last eight monthsish. Of three years of ownership.
[19:05] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I haven't, lol. But perhaps another time. :P
[19:06] <magedroid> mb manufacturers website will have the beep codes for any errors on start up
[19:06] <TaraLS> magedroid, So... the sounds it's supposed to make, or...? I'm lost.
[19:06] <TaraLS> So if it has any errors, it'll make a particular noise on start-up?
[19:07] <TaraLS> "ASUS: Inspiring Innovation. Persistent Perfection." Yeah-huh.
[19:07] <magedroid> usually single beep on start up to let you know the mb ram and cpu have passed the post
[19:07] <Kilos> isnt there a bios setting to see startup posts?
[19:07]  * TaraLS has no idea.
[19:07] <magedroid> if there is an error then different beeps
[19:07] <TaraLS> brb
[19:08] <kbmonkey> sometimes you need to disable the onboard video to use the geforce
[19:08] <kbmonkey> apparently most 300W PSU will handle your GeForce card OK
[19:08] <magedroid> lots of things to try
[19:09] <kbmonkey> the nvidia page says 350W recommended
[19:10] <Kilos> ya but it hangs on onboard graphics too
[19:10] <TaraLS> Hm
[19:10] <Kilos> started with xp installed with blue screens
[19:10] <TaraLS> The computer doesn't just miraculously hang either.
[19:10] <TaraLS> Like
[19:10] <TaraLS> I mean
[19:10] <TaraLS> I have no idea what I meant to say with that line.
[19:10] <TaraLS> But essentially, what definitely causes it to freeze is streaming video, or converting video from a url (which I just discovered before).
[19:11] <TaraLS> The temp of the cores kept going up as the streaming video was being converted
[19:11] <TaraLS> But the other temps were fine.
[19:11] <kbmonkey> I will do some Goooogle-Fu and see what I can find :)
[19:11] <Kilos> sounds like an overload of something kbmonkey 
[19:11] <kbmonkey> it does Kilos 
[19:11] <TaraLS> The comp can go for hours without freezing if I don't stream video
[19:11] <Kilos> thats why she has all the heat sensors setup
[19:12] <TaraLS> Though, it has frozen during operation of Rhythmbox.
[19:12] <kbmonkey> I have a friend whose pc would crash as it got too hot. ended up pointing a standup fan at it and that fixed it. lol!
[19:12] <Kilos> she tried that too
[19:12] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I've got a standup fan at it right now. That's what got the MP temp down from 43c to now 30c.
[19:12] <TaraLS> I only just tried it like an hour ago
[19:12] <TaraLS> MB temp is at 30c but still showing red.
[19:13] <Kilos> some component on the mb not happy
[19:13] <TaraLS> Also
[19:13] <TaraLS> There's a light on by one of the slots where nothing is plugged into the slot.
[19:13] <TaraLS> There are two slots below the graphics card slot, and the bottommost one has a light that is on. A green one. I'm just wondering what that is.
[19:13] <kbmonkey> is there dusty buildup in any of the fans?
[19:13] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I recently cleaned them.
[19:14] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Essentially, anything you can think of is probably going to have been done.
[19:14] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  :(
[19:14] <TaraLS> CPU temp and fan are fine.
[19:14] <kbmonkey> you are very prepared indeed!
[19:14] <magedroid> that is usually mb light to show power on the board
[19:14] <Kilos> i would swop psu's first then go fuirther
[19:14] <TaraLS> So I reckon it's probably mb or psu
[19:14] <kbmonkey> hello smile4ever!
[19:14] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Yeah. That's something I can do.
[19:15] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Not necessarily prepared. Just hours, and hours, and daaaays and days of troubleshooting.
[19:15] <magedroid> maybe mb temp sensor is broken
[19:15] <kbmonkey> unless *both* your MB's are faulty, you did test them separate
[19:15]  * TaraLS has pulled her hair out more than once.
[19:15] <Kilos> with luck its the psu
[19:15] <magedroid> so things it is always hot
[19:15] <smile4ever> hi :p
[19:15] <smile4ever> kbmonkey: I have a proposition :p
[19:15] <TaraLS> magedroid,  'both' motherboards...? I only have one. /confused
[19:15] <smile4ever> you do my homework, i'll do something else for you
[19:15] <smile4ever> deal? :D
[19:15] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, sorry.
[19:15] <TaraLS> smile4ever,  I'll do your homework if you fix my computer :D
[19:15] <kbmonkey> interesting test: would it still freeze if you try a live boot?
[19:16] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, What's a live boot?
[19:16] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  And unless I can test youtube on a live boot, then that's a pointless test.
[19:16] <kbmonkey> Tara, when you boot Ubuntu off the CD or USB
[19:16] <smile4ever> TaraLS: that's a great deal! :D
[19:16] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Ahh. Actually, I did that first.
[19:16] <smile4ever> TaraLS: what's wrong wit it? :(
[19:16] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I don't think it froze.
[19:16] <TaraLS> smile4ever,  Who knows! :D :D :D
[19:17] <smile4ever> :o
[19:17] <kbmonkey> sometimes in rare cases, updates to drivers or the kernel affects hardware in a bad way. 
[19:17] <Kilos> TaraLS, boot from usb and clich the try ubuntu the go to the tube with it ans=d see what happens
[19:18] <Kilos> sorry for typos
[19:18] <kbmonkey> lol smile4ever. what homework is it?
[19:18] <kbmonkey> dirty laundry?
[19:18] <smile4ever> programming :p
[19:18] <smile4ever> too much work :p
[19:18] <smile4ever> I can do it
[19:18] <Kilos> you can install xchat from the live one as well
[19:18] <smile4ever> but I simply have enough programmed for the last days
[19:18] <smile4ever> :p
[19:18] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, My Windows crashed, so I "tried" Ubuntu from USB before installing.
[19:19] <TaraLS> Okay. I'll run Ubuntu from 'live' and watch Youtube and see what happens.
[19:19] <kbmonkey> ok TaraLS. sorry for all your problems.
[19:19] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  THanks for that. I am too!
[19:19] <TaraLS> k brb.
[19:19] <kbmonkey> I will do some hunting online, I will make a list of possible things I find, OK :]
[19:19] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Okay, thanks. :) In the meantime, I will see what live Ubuntu does.
[19:19] <TaraLS> Or rather, how it goes.
[19:21] <kbmonkey> for what class is this smile4ever ?
[19:21] <Kilos> kbmonkey, some bug got past windows and crashed the pc and it hjas improved with ubuntu but still freezes albeit no as often
[19:21] <smile4ever> kbmonkey: software development, it is called :p
[19:22] <Kilos> i have ians pc here where virii from windows has sickened the whole pc
[19:22] <Kilos> mg psu ram and cpu and bios
[19:23] <Kilos> if i bring a drive from it to here my bios tells me i have changed the cpu and must do settings
[19:23] <Kilos> she might even need to flash the bios as a last resort
[19:23] <Kilos> but thats tricky because the new bios wants to go to a floppy
[19:24] <kbmonkey> sure smile4ever. the answer is printf('42');
[19:24] <kbmonkey> ;)
[19:25] <kbmonkey> I wonder if it freezes watching local videos too?
[19:26] <smile4ever> kbmonkey: I don't think so :p
[19:26] <smile4ever> ;)
[19:28] <Kilos> she said no
[19:30] <kbmonkey> Ok. we can then assume it's flash codec related. seeing as she tried to convert from flash to mp4. hmmm
[19:30] <TaraLS> Okay, so. For some reason, my BIOS won't pick up my "removable device" now, so how do I try Ubuntu from the USB without restarting?
[19:31] <Kilos> you have to set bios to boot from usb
[19:32] <Kilos> same as when you installed
 Ok. we can then assume it's flash codec related. seeing as she tried to convert from flash to mp4. hmmm
[19:33] <smile4ever> byee :p
[19:33] <Kilos> toods smile
[19:33] <Kilos> sleep tight smile4ever 
[19:33] <smile4ever> thanks :)
[19:34] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Yes, I know. But it won't see the "removable device" there.
[19:34] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Actually, wait. Let me fully shut down instead of restarting.
[19:34] <TaraLS> brb
[19:34] <Kilos> eish
[19:34] <Kilos> i know
[19:34] <kbmonkey> Tara, connect the usb stick before you restart so the bios will see it
[19:34] <Kilos> sigh
[19:35] <kbmonkey> oh I thought smile4 wanted to give more detail. 
[19:36] <kbmonkey> this sure is a difficult problem to troubleshoot!
[19:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: morse . ....-. .. .. -..-.. ....-. . .-.. ...-.. .. .- .-..
[19:36] <Maaz> nuvolari: Decodes as E II  EL IAL
[19:37] <Kilos> yeah kbmonkey the fly has also tried
[19:37] <Kilos> and some other guys
[19:37] <Kilos> got too much for me
[19:37] <Kilos> easier when pc is in front of you
[19:38] <nuvolari> . ....-. .. .. -..-.. ....-. . .-.. ...-.. .. .- .-..
[19:38] <nuvolari> hrr
[19:38] <nuvolari> maaz morse. ....-. .. .. -..-.. ....-. . .-.. ...-.. .. .- .-..
[19:38] <Maaz> nuvolari: Decodes as E II  EL IAL
[19:38] <nuvolari> ok
[19:39] <kbmonkey> morse codes?
[19:40] <nuvolari> it's some morse from an Image in Ingress kbmonkey 
[19:45] <kbmonkey> I think it is worth running that memory test over tonight, just to be sure
[19:46] <Kilos> could be because she did it once with xp and i think even tried it with
[19:46] <Kilos> um
[19:46] <Kilos> stresslinux cd
[19:47] <kbmonkey> it happening in xp makes us think its hardware, but in reality we should not. because xp could be doing it for different reasons, it is xp after all ;)
[19:48] <Kilos> hehe
[19:48] <Kilos> i got wierd things here
[19:49] <Kilos> have pc2 connect via direcy cable
[19:49] <Kilos> to share 3g
[19:49] <Kilos> can ping this pc and 8.8.8.8
[19:49] <Kilos> but cant get apt-get update
[19:49] <Kilos> grrr
[19:50] <kbmonkey> Kilos, do you know if the mouse even stops moving? or if pressing control+alt+F1 does anything?
[19:50] <Kilos> by her?
[19:50] <kbmonkey> yes
[19:51] <Kilos> freeze must be no mouse or niks i think
[19:51] <Kilos> can ask if she gets back
[19:51] <Kilos> im falling of chair here already
[19:52] <Kilos> and still gotta shower
[19:52] <kbmonkey> me too!
[19:52] <Kilos> cant sleep with stinky peeps
[19:53] <Kilos> the 9 hour time diffs makes it hard to help her
[19:53] <Kilos> she been to lotsa other forums
[19:53] <Kilos> so far no luck
[19:54] <kbmonkey> :/
[19:54] <Kilos> nearly 2 weeks with 12.10 now
[19:54] <kbmonkey> there are some things we can still try. but options run out, pc may be broke
[19:54] <magedroid> well will keep on trying Kilos
[19:54] <magedroid> i am off good night all
[19:55] <Kilos> yeah im sure we will find a solution somehow
[19:55] <Kilos> night magedroid sleep tight
[19:55] <Kilos> oh kbmonkey it was very bad
[19:55] <meesterarend> how about an over clocked cpu?
[19:55] <Kilos> then i got her to pull battery and reset bios to defaults
[19:56] <meesterarend> it can cause all kinds of problems in windows
[19:56] <Kilos> then it was good for a few hours even streaming youtube
[19:56] <Kilos> then it started again
[19:56] <Kilos> xp used to go blue screen just standing with nothing open
[19:57] <Kilos> she hasnt overclocked it herself im sure
[19:57] <Kilos> dunno where that came from
[19:57] <meesterarend> mmm
[19:57] <Squirm> evening
[19:57] <Kilos> nuvolari, slaap jy?
[19:57] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[20:00] <Squirm> xp would bsod like that if there was faulty ram
[20:00] <kbmonkey> indeed Squirm 
[20:01] <meesterarend> we had an faulty motherboard that got hit by an serious power surge
[20:01] <Kilos> she has 2 2g ddr's i think and has tried each one and both , all same probs
[20:01] <Kilos> is it stuffed meesterarend 
[20:01] <Squirm> and if the ram is faulty, then no matter what OS you run, the ram will still be faulty
[20:02] <meesterarend> did that for more than a year before it eventually just would not do it's job anymore
[20:02] <Squirm> meesterarend: over the past 3 weeks we've lost 3 motherboards 2 lightning
[20:02] <Kilos> you mean both rams crashed same time?
[20:02] <Kilos> whew
[20:02] <meesterarend> usually under load
[20:02] <Squirm> and a lot of switches, few projectors
[20:02] <meesterarend> see
[20:02] <Squirm> Kilos: could have happened
[20:02] <Squirm> s/2/to
[20:02] <Kilos> whew she will cry
[20:02] <kbmonkey> that fd0 error is also suspect. can only be if a floppy is enabled in the bios.
[20:03] <Kilos> they battling at the moment with mom sick for last 2 months
[20:03] <TaraLS> Whew.
[20:03] <Kilos> wb TaraLS 
[20:03] <Squirm> Kilos: best is to try and borrow ram, test it, then buy it if she needs
[20:03] <TaraLS> On XCHAT online.
[20:03] <kbmonkey> probably not the cause
[20:03] <TaraLS> Okay.
[20:03] <kbmonkey> wb TaraLS 
[20:03] <TaraLS> Thanks much
[20:03] <TaraLS> In order to play Youtubey things, I need to install flash.
[20:03] <kbmonkey> you sure are puzzling us here :)
[20:03] <Kilos> does it still freeze
[20:03] <meesterarend> hey TaraLS
[20:03] <TaraLS> Wait. Says it is already. Hee.
[20:03] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Give it time, sheesh. :P
[20:03] <TaraLS> meesterarend:  Howdy. :)
[20:03] <Squirm> I've seen a faulty usb keyboard make xp bsod :/
[20:03] <TaraLS> kbmonkey: I know. :(
[20:04] <Kilos> you can install everything from live TaraLS 
[20:04] <Squirm> hello TaraLS 
[20:04] <TaraLS> Kilos: Well, I tried etc, and it didn't work out for me. So I'm using Ubuntu on a webpage.
[20:04] <meesterarend> had new kb
[20:04] <TaraLS> Squirm:  Hiya.
[20:04] <meesterarend> with faulty usb wire stopping computer from booting
[20:04] <Kilos> ai
[20:05] <meesterarend> so i fixed the wire
[20:05] <meesterarend> :)
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:05] <meesterarend> still using the kb
[20:05] <kbmonkey> maybe you told us before, but I like to ask TaraLS: you have tried taking your Geforce card out of the pc and it still froze?
[20:06] <kbmonkey> or did you leave it in and just connect the monitor to the built-in video?
[20:06] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yep.
[20:06] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  No, I took it right out.
[20:06] <TaraLS> Dang, it's already so late. :(
[20:06]  * TaraLS watches Youtube to seeee.
[20:07]  * kbmonkey holds opposable thumbs
[20:08] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <meesterarend> cpu might draw more power than it should...maybe turn on power saving features?
[20:08] <kbmonkey> I know how frustrating these issues are, they are the worst battle!
[20:09] <kbmonkey> if unity is enabled, it could also add to the processing and heat created
[20:09] <kbmonkey> might be worth disabling unity for a while to see
[20:09] <Kilos> can you run 12.10 in 2d?
[20:09] <meesterarend> usually if he system is before me it spills its guts as soon as i put some motivation in front of it
[20:10] <TaraLS> Oh that's right.
[20:10] <meesterarend> and then the problem also disappears 
[20:10] <TaraLS> My Unity bar didn't show up when I took my graphics card out and used 'try Ubuntu'
[20:10] <TaraLS> Also... Wouldn't the temperatures show if things are overheating?
[20:10] <Squirm> hmm, doesnt Ubuntu come with a Mem test boot option, maybe try run that?
[20:10] <kbmonkey> A Heisenbug meesterarend ? ;)
[20:10] <TaraLS> Whilst my comp was off a few minutes back, the MB went down to 28c, and was in the green.
[20:11] <TaraLS> Squirm:  I really don't think it's memory at this point, but I will try that later.
[20:11] <kbmonkey> you could run that memtest overnight just to eliminate that 
[20:11] <meesterarend> Heisenbug?
[20:11] <meesterarend> nope
[20:11] <meesterarend> 100 year old 15 pounder
[20:12] <Squirm> TaraLS: is it only when you watch youtube, or have you experienced it watching a video?
[20:12] <kbmonkey> a problem that goes away when you try to observe it
[20:12] <meesterarend> never need to touch a computer with it
[20:12] <meesterarend> just talk
[20:12] <TaraLS> Squirm: Youtube is what I use to test to see if the comp has stopped freezing.
[20:12] <kbmonkey> Squirm, it even happend while hovering mouse over the unity bar
[20:13] <Squirm> meesterarend: I fix many issues like that
[20:13] <meesterarend> see
[20:13] <TaraLS> Squirm: When I had XP, it froze when I was trying to combine audio and video in Windows Media Player. It happened when I tried to save an image on Photoshop CS6 after about two/three hours of use, it happened when I was using my Recording Program, Avid Pro Tools SE, and Cakewalk Home Studio 2002.
[20:13] <meesterarend> allso had two xp computers this month that was supposed not to worked
[20:13] <Squirm> all utilise the gfx and lots of ram
[20:13] <meesterarend> hooked them up
[20:14] <meesterarend> and they worked :(
[20:14] <meesterarend> one even had 64mb ram:-0
[20:14] <Squirm> lol
[20:14] <meesterarend> I'm still in shock
[20:14] <meesterarend> :>
[20:15] <kbmonkey> worth to try reset the bios to safe defaults
[20:15]  * TaraLS sniffles.
[20:15] <TaraLS> And here I am, with a comp that SHOULD work, but does not.
[20:15] <kbmonkey> its silly, but it's also Occam's Razor
[20:15] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  I took the battery out for ten minutes and then put it back in.
[20:15] <kbmonkey> :c
[20:15] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  That allowed me to watch one 55 min video on Youtube, and then a song on Youtube three times. But on the third time, when I clicked back on the progress bar to restart it, the comp froze.
[20:15] <kbmonkey> you can't even control+alt+F1 when it freezes?
[20:16] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  I only just found out about that and it hasn't frozen since, so I haven't tried.
[20:16] <kbmonkey> try right-click the video player, in flash settings try disable hardware acceleration.
[20:16] <TaraLS> Now dudes. Is it control+alt+F1, or control+alt+shift+PrtScrn
[20:17] <kbmonkey> lol!
[20:17] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  But it's not just Youtube that freezes. That's just what I KNOW freezes and what I use to test it. It's pointless installing my other stuff before I sort this out.
[20:17] <kbmonkey> C-A-F1 switches to a text-only window
[20:18] <TaraLS> Okay. *writes that down*
[20:18] <kbmonkey> the other combination only needs Alt+PrtScrn+[REISUB] -- aka "Raising Elephants Is So Utterly Boring"
[20:18] <meesterarend> on linux you an check the log files under /var/log for the time when the computer froze
[20:19] <meesterarend> might give more insight on the problem
[20:20] <Kilos> meesterarend, tail or cat /var/log/syslog
[20:20] <kbmonkey> Raising Elephants is explained very nicely here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key#Uses
[20:20] <meesterarend> yep that one
[20:21] <Kilos> huh
[20:21] <meesterarend> I usually use nano for more control
[20:21] <kbmonkey> At a loss what else to suggest TaraLS :/
[20:21] <Squirm> vim wins :P
[20:21] <Kilos> she needs full commands
[20:21] <Kilos> she isnt an IT person
[20:22] <Squirm> oh, for viewing
[20:22] <Squirm> tail tends to work :)
[20:22] <kbmonkey> oh dear. that does not look good.
[20:23] <meesterarend> I do not like tail much
[20:23] <meesterarend> it tends to give me the first ten lines of the file...when i try to get the last ten
[20:24] <meesterarend> :(
[20:24] <kbmonkey> your files are written backwards? ha ha
[20:24] <meesterarend> I wish
[20:25] <kbmonkey> one guess what happened there Tara? :p
[20:25] <TaraLS> Go for it. :P
[20:25] <TaraLS> You probably won't get it.
[20:25] <kbmonkey> aliens!
[20:25] <TaraLS> OMGOSH how did you KNOW?
[20:25] <TaraLS> Actually, I moronically did the C-A-F1 lol
[20:25] <TaraLS> And didn't know how to get out of the text page
[20:25] <kbmonkey> my tinfoil hat, is how.
[20:26] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  But that blocks signals...
[20:26] <TaraLS> But it did say something about my hardware not being compatible with Unity
[20:26] <kbmonkey> I should have mentioned. F1 through F5 are text. F6 (or 6, or is it 7?) go back to your GUI 
[20:26] <TaraLS> And enabling... somethingorother mode instead (slow)
[20:26] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Okay.
[20:26] <meesterarend> we should have told him about C-A-F7
[20:26] <meesterarend> ?
[20:27] <TaraLS> Okay. I'll go back to the text window and see what it says exactly, then come back
[20:27] <TaraLS> How do I come back exactly?
 we should have told him about C-A-F7
[20:27] <Kilos> him be a her meesterarend 
[20:27] <Squirm> ctrl alt F7
[20:27] <Kilos> my brat
[20:27] <meesterarend> sorry
[20:27] <Kilos> lol
[20:27] <TaraLS> Okay, way one.
[20:27] <TaraLS> wait*
[20:28] <meesterarend> northern cape its all the same
[20:28] <meesterarend> apparently
[20:28] <kbmonkey> perhaps it is a unity issue after all. and the fact that this happened in xp was coincidence.
[20:28] <Kilos> gnome-fallback kbmonkey ?
[20:28] <meesterarend> because your tell him to take it slow while he's pregnant
[20:28] <meesterarend> :)
[20:29] <Squirm> definitely bed time for me
[20:29] <Squirm> wanted to be sleeping an hour ago :/
[20:29] <TaraLS> Whew
[20:29] <Kilos> night Squirm 
[20:29] <TaraLS> Squirm: Oops, sleep tight Squirm.
[20:29] <kbmonkey> night Squirm
[20:29] <Squirm> gl TaraLS 
[20:29] <meesterarend> took me a while to figure that out
[20:29] <TaraLS> kbmonkey: Nope. It's not a Unity issue. I refuse to believe such nonsense.
[20:29] <meesterarend> night Squirm
[20:30] <kbmonkey> :>
[20:30] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  It said "opengl" and then said "Unity is not supported by your hardware. Loading software rendering instead" and then said, "Unity is fully supported by your hardware."
[20:30] <Kilos> TaraLS, try moms psu in there while we asleep
[20:30] <TaraLS> And I kept getting a new line saying, " Buffer I/O error on device fd0 logical block 0"
[20:30] <meesterarend> nvidia drivers?
[20:31] <kbmonkey> it could say that only if your nvidia driver is not installed
[20:31] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Yeah, because it looks sooo easy to disconnect/reconnect a power supply.
[20:31] <Kilos> its not hard kiddo
[20:31] <kbmonkey> its kinda a chore
[20:31] <TaraLS> Kilos:  What the heck goes where?
[20:31] <TaraLS> Kilos:  But look at all the wires!
[20:31] <kbmonkey> i mean... piece 'o cake
[20:31] <Kilos> just watch for clips on the plugs into mb
[20:31] <TaraLS> Mom's might not even be the right wattage
[20:32] <Kilos> no matter it will work
[20:32] <kbmonkey> fd0 is a floppy drive. apparently your bios is expecting it
[20:32] <meesterarend> every type of plug can go only one type of place
[20:32] <meesterarend> if it do not fit
[20:32] <Kilos> in bios disable floppy seek on boot
[20:32] <meesterarend> it's not the rigtht place for it
[20:33] <meesterarend> or the wrong way round
[20:33] <kbmonkey> if you can get away with using the other psu without having to take it out...
[20:34] <TaraLS> I can't even open it
[20:34] <kbmonkey> just to test run, you know
[20:34] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  How would I do that?
[20:34] <kbmonkey> you need to get a manslave in to do it for you
[20:34] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  rofl
[20:34] <meesterarend> i did it a few times
[20:34] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  I mean, the older comp (refurbished) is closed funny.
[20:34] <meesterarend> its a pain
[20:35] <kbmonkey> eish. 
[20:35] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  It's got a heap of screws which I removed, but the box itself is then like... I dunno. It's got these other little bolt-type things that I can't put the screwdriver in.
[20:35] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  And I can't get the sides open. Just the top. Which is not enough.
[20:35] <TaraLS> It says 240v on the back
[20:35] <Kilos> i go sleep. night all good luck
[20:35] <kbmonkey> its a horizontal case?
[20:35] <TaraLS> Mine is 250v. Does that matter?
[20:35] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Sleep tight, old man.
[20:36] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yeah.
[20:36] <Kilos> ty
[20:36] <kbmonkey> sleep tight Kilos 
[20:36] <Kilos> come visit more often kbmonkey 
[20:36] <kbmonkey> oh. those are nasty :| sometimes the entire outside needs to slide off.
[20:36] <Kilos> toods all
[20:36] <kbmonkey> will do oom!
[20:36] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  I know, but... I don't want to break it. It doesn't look like it's all unscrewed or something.
[20:36] <meesterarend> TaraLS: the power here goes from about 210v by day  - 260v by night here
[20:37] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  I mean, I don't see any screws for the side part, but the sides are not coming up easily.
[20:37] <TaraLS> meesterarend:  I seee.
[20:37] <meesterarend> nothing breaks on that amount of difference
[20:37] <TaraLS> You know...
[20:37] <TaraLS> When I first tried Ubuntu
[20:37] <TaraLS> 'live'
[20:37] <meesterarend> also most handles 110v with out problems
[20:37] <TaraLS> My computer was on for two days without freezing.
[20:38] <TaraLS> meesterarend:  Okay, that's good to know.
[20:39] <kbmonkey> if the case is being difficult you can always get someone to help you. that way if something breaks you can claim innocence! 
[20:39] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  lol, well, she doesn't even use this comp. She has a laptop.
[20:39] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  But I do need it, because it has XP, which means my tablet and printer work with it.
[20:40] <kbmonkey> Ok. well I remember working on plenty of those flat dell cases. they had these horrible clippy hooks inside that made it hard to remove.
[20:40] <kbmonkey> like had to slide it off with a lot of force
[20:41] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yes. It seems that way.
[20:41]  * TaraLS sighs.
[20:42] <kbmonkey> I used to put my hands on the sides and use thumbs to push the back panel inward.
[20:42] <kbmonkey> some of them I had to remove the front panel, and push that side inward. :p
[20:42] <TaraLS> Eish
[20:42] <kbmonkey> sounds like it is just not your day!
[20:43] <TaraLS> So... What if this IS a flash issue? Would 'flash' make my programs not work? Ones that don't require the interwebs?
[20:43] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  lol. Try: 
[20:43] <TaraLS> 'not my year'
[20:43] <kbmonkey> do you have anyone you can ask to help you with that?
[20:43] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Nope.
[20:43] <kbmonkey> no, flash would only be for watching videos :)
[20:44] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  That's what I thought. Darn.
[20:44] <TaraLS> I went through a few stages where my PC froze when I searched up something in the Dash, too
[20:44] <TaraLS> Kilos helped me fix that with the --configure -a thing.
[20:44] <kbmonkey> we suspect flash, because it uses video and that takes more cpu. but no, it sounds like your problem happens other times too
[20:45] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[20:45] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  But why would the PSU fail at different times?
[20:45] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Such as, it could fail when I just turn the comp on (like before, after I had done a hard restart and left it for a few hours, and then moved my cursor over the Unity taskbar)
[20:45] <TaraLS> Or if it's been ON for several hours.
[20:46] <kbmonkey> oh dear. magespawn said it sounds like your mother board is failing. I hope its not that.
[20:46] <TaraLS> Before, when I had XP, the comp kept freezing when I had my anti-virus up, and I couldn't finish updates for it. And also when it went into screensaver.
[20:46] <TaraLS> it froze a LOT LESS when I disabled screensaver and the antivirus.
[20:46] <TaraLS> :( Me too.
[20:47] <TaraLS> So what are we trying to glean here, by playing Youtube whilst its in Live mode?
[20:47] <kbmonkey> yes, that would only tell us that an update or something installed isnt causing this
[20:48] <kbmonkey> you do use this pc for work?
[20:48] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yes, sadly.
[20:49] <kbmonkey> oh dear. you should backup any files just in case.
[20:49] <TaraLS> Well, they're backed up already from XP.
[20:49] <TaraLS> I haven't put them onto Ubuntu yet.
[20:49] <kbmonkey> good 8)
[20:49] <TaraLS> Because of these issues.
[20:49] <TaraLS> I've only had Ubuntu for about... less than two weeks.
[20:50] <kbmonkey> is it older than 5 years, your pc? 
[20:51] <kbmonkey> hmmm, I need tea.
[20:51] <kbmonkey> Googling doesn't help. there's a hundred different issues it finds. sjoe
[20:51] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Well, apparently the BIOS is from 2007. But my comp has other dates to 2009.
[20:52] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  I've had it since 09.
[20:53] <kbmonkey> ok. the next time you turn it on, see if you can pause it and write down the bios name and version. we can look if there are updates for it.
[20:55] <TaraLS> It is!
[20:55] <TaraLS> Ehem
[20:55] <TaraLS> Amibios
[20:55] <TaraLS> v02.85. I think.
[20:55] <TaraLS> Or uh. That 02 might be wrong.
[20:56] <kbmonkey> close enough, let's see!
[20:57] <kbmonkey> oh great, the ami bios website is not alive :P
[20:57] <TaraLS> American Megatrends, etc etc
[20:57] <TaraLS> .....
[20:57] <TaraLS> Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhaha
[20:57] <TaraLS> Yeah... It figures.
[20:58] <TaraLS> Is Firefox supposed to lag a tiny bit in Live version?
[20:58] <TaraLS> Maybe I shouldn't have six tabs up. Ehem.
[21:00] <kbmonkey> lol
[21:00] <kbmonkey> yes the live runs from usb, it will be a little slower
[21:02] <TaraLS> Don't laugh at me. :P I'm so overloaded with computer nonsense.
[21:02] <TaraLS> And paranoid about this freezing issue. Booo.
[21:03] <kbmonkey> awe don't cry!
[21:03] <kbmonkey> no this is just too freaky, the ami.com website does not exist
[21:04] <kbmonkey> mayb it is a sign
[21:04] <kbmonkey> that we're looking for the wrong thing. he he
[21:06] <kbmonkey> how about you clear your head of our computer nonsense TaraLS, and we can try something different tomorrow? :)
[21:06] <kbmonkey> have you emailed the ubuntu mailing list with this, by the way?
[21:07] <TaraLS> Why would I?
[21:08] <TaraLS> I mean, why would the mailing list want to hear about my isshoooosss?
[21:08] <kbmonkey> well, it is there for people to ask and to help
[21:09] <kbmonkey> and many eyes help find problems :)
[21:09] <TaraLS> You know...
[21:09] <TaraLS> I think maybe it IS the motherboard... :( Echk.
[21:09] <TaraLS> Thankfully, they are cheap.
[21:09] <TaraLS> ish.
[21:09] <TaraLS> I'd have to make sure that all my hardware would fit onto it. Is it a bad idea to buy the same one?
[21:10] <kbmonkey> do they come with warranty?
[21:10] <kbmonkey> if you can find the same one. They move so quick chances are that model isn't made anymore.
[21:12] <kbmonkey> makes you want to throw it out the window, doesn't it? :P
[21:15] <TaraLS> Yes. Definitely.
[21:15] <TaraLS> I've wanted to throw it through a wall at least twice now in the last week.
[21:16] <kbmonkey> if memtest fails it could also mean cpu or motherboard. 
[21:16] <kbmonkey> but since you swapped your memories out, maybe it is one of the cpu of mb :(
[21:17] <kbmonkey> you has gremlins
[21:19] <kbmonkey> if you can, take it to a pc repair and tell them you suspect the motherboard or psu. they may even do free testing with their spares, ask them about this first.
[21:19] <TaraLS> Ooh.
[21:19] <TaraLS> That's an idea.
[21:19] <TaraLS> Ooh YES.
[21:20] <TaraLS> I think I shall ask them if they will do a free test.
[21:20] <TaraLS> Yesyesyes
[21:20] <TaraLS> Thanks. I hope they will. :)
[21:20] <TaraLS> If they do, they'll get my service. >.>
[21:20] <kbmonkey> some shops do this because they can potentially get you to buy from them if something is broke
[21:20] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[21:20] <TaraLS> Precisely.
[21:20] <kbmonkey> there's only so much punishment you can take on yourself. I imagine you must be rope's end!
[21:21] <kbmonkey> I hope so too! :]
[21:22] <TaraLS> I am at rope's end
[21:23] <TaraLS> Dangling on the precipice of "Oh, I'm sick of computers. I don't want one anymore."
[21:23] <TaraLS> I need to reinstall XP alongside Ubuntu, though.
[21:23] <TaraLS> Because my printer and tablet won't work with Ubuntu
[21:23] <TaraLS> And working on images and layers on mom's computer with only 226mb of RAM is a nightmare.
[21:23] <kbmonkey> Thats when I turn it off and pick up a good old book. ha ha ha
[21:24] <kbmonkey> wow, that is dedication!
[21:24] <TaraLS> lol
[21:24] <kbmonkey> I remember trying audio editing on that amount of ram. eeek
[21:25] <TaraLS> Ewwww.
[21:25] <TaraLS> Yeah. I recorded a song on that much ram
[21:25] <TaraLS> I had to actually sing a fraction faster than the music in order for it to sync
[21:25] <kbmonkey> *blinks*
[21:28] <kbmonkey> I guess I should sleep. Did not so much last night from a fever :p
[21:28] <kbmonkey> it's gone now, yay :)
[21:29] <TaraLS> Aw. :(
[21:29] <TaraLS> I'm glad it's gone now. :)
[21:29] <TaraLS> I will call the PC place later and ask if they'll do free testing.
[21:29] <TaraLS> And then I'll let you know.
[21:29] <TaraLS> Thanks for your help and company in my troubling times, oh wise kbmonkey. :)
[21:30] <kbmonkey> happy to help!
[21:31] <kbmonkey> oh I guess it must be daytime there then. Good luck!
[21:32] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yep. Only 8:30AM. :) And now I must be off.
[21:32]  * TaraLS waves to all of Ubuntu ZA.