[00:01] pimlibs built, so that's something. [00:03] Hmmm [00:06] agateau: plasma-widget-homerun should depend on libhomerun0 for sure [00:06] (={binary:Version}) I guess [00:06] ScottK: Opinions ^ [00:06] ? [00:09] Quintasan: They are built from the same source? [00:09] ScottK: Yes [00:09] Then yes. [00:09] What the... [00:10] ScottK: Can you check if homerun package exists in raring? [00:13] What is this sorcery [00:16] nope [00:16] rmadison says no [00:16] it's in the queue [00:17] Quintasan: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+queue [00:17] * ScottK looks [00:20] Quintasan: debian/copyright fail. [00:21] Look in components/qml/TabBar.qml and then look in your debian/copyright. [00:23] Quintasan: I've accepted, but please fix. [00:24] Quintasan: Also it's really annoying to have packaging under a different license than the package. [00:26] ScottK: I have absolutely no idea under what license am I supposed to provide the damn packaging [00:26] ScottK: Since the package itself uses lgpl, gplv2 and gplv3 and whatnot [00:26] BSD :P [00:26] and BSD 2-clause [00:26] Quintasan: I usually say "The same terms as the package itself: and let people sort it out who care. [00:27] Where it gets confusing is if you add a patch and then the license of the patch gets unclear. [00:27] That or just don't mention it. [00:27] That's actually what I do more commonly. [00:27] BSD can be restricted, you cannot open up GPL though, so IMHO packaging should be BSD or another permissive thing [00:28] ScottK: Can I make the packaging WTFPL? [00:28] That should be the most permissive thing ever [00:29] actually in terms of pieces of software it is not clear :P [00:29] e.g. if you write a patch [00:30] IMHO [00:30] not caring too much though [00:30] Quintasan: use bsd [00:30] apachelogger: Sorry, how "Do what the fuck you want" is not clear? :P [00:30] doing somethign and being allowed to do something are not exactly the same thing :P [00:31] Well, by using WTFPL I allow you to do "what the fuck you want to" [00:31] Quintasan: BSD is best is this case. [00:31] Whether you do anything with it is another case [00:31] ScottK: Okay [00:32] BSD/MIT would probably fit "Do whatever the heck you want to do" :P [00:33] But it has more restictions [00:33] it does? [00:33] shadeslayer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL [00:33] * shadeslayer does not speak legalese [00:33] oh [00:34] Please tell me there can be something less restrictive that this [00:34] I didn't know there's a WTFPL @_@ [00:34] I assumed that you were merely making that up :P [00:34] I wouldn't ask ScottK if I can put an invalid license there duh [00:34] No, there's stuff in the archive with that license. [00:35] lawl [00:35] it's not an invalid licesense [00:35] I just don't see it within the realms of meaning anything :P [00:35] would be like a law that there is no law, hence there'd be a law [00:35] anywho [00:36] packaging mostly does not require licensing [00:36] because packaging mostly does not contain licenseworthy content [00:36] * ScottK doesn't consider it to generally involve creative work of the type that should have copyright protection. [00:36] * ScottK high fives apachelogger. [00:36] if you'd have a super complicated makig rules file, that'd need a license [00:36] or a patch implementing something sweet [00:37] Quintasan: your packaging won't work for nightly because we also build for precise which requires a bit of special handling [00:37] * apachelogger hands ScottK a cookie ^^ [00:37] Then modify it duh [00:37] * ScottK is in favor of cookies. [00:38] * ScottK is making symbols files again. Cookies sound way better. [00:38] Fortunately not by hand this time. [00:38] * apachelogger just watched charlie and the chocolate factory but has no chocolate :( [00:39] shadeslayer: branch it, fix it, push it, build it [00:39] apachelogger: ofcourse :P [00:39] but not something for tonight :P [00:39] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjR4_CbPpQ [00:39] harder, better, faster, strong [00:40] so much truth in that song ^^ [00:40] * apachelogger wonders where his interstella 5555 dvd is [00:41] apachelogger: You got a dvd of that? [00:41] Damn you [00:42] course I do [00:42] daft punk ftw [00:43] heh [00:43] shadeslayer: Isn't it morning there? [00:43] ScottK: I'm in the UK, almost 1 AM [00:44] Oh. [00:44] It's earlier for you than apachelogger. You should get to work. [00:44] heh xD [00:45] and I am only not working because my install is b0rked and I am all pissed from looking at bug reports [00:45] drat, there goes my excuse ... [00:45] apachelogger: can't be more broken than mine [00:45] you have no idea [00:45] ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/611012 [00:45] multiple mesa 8/9 upgrades, have all sorts of weird things installed [00:46] Does this look sane enought? [00:46] * apachelogger has not bothered fixign anythign at all since he is waiting for new hardware [00:46] ^ same :P [00:46] I downloaded a Quantal ISO @ UDS, didn't get around to installing it [00:46] Quintasan: good sir, if I may... I'd not put the lib before the debhelper placeholders [00:47] it is not common to do that [00:47] curses [00:47] I forgot to run wrap-and-sort [00:47] shadeslayer: lol, u also on precise? [00:47] yus [00:47] <3 [00:47] Quintasan: Sure, but let me get the current packages out of binary New first. [00:47] :P [00:47] I've done unimlaginable things to this isntal [00:47] mine is actually an upgraded oneiric :D [00:48] I've done unimaginable things to this isntall [00:48] /var/log/installer/media-info says mine was a clean precise install [00:48] ScottK: Lemme know when you are done so I can upload [00:48] shadeslayer: lucky you :P [00:49] not really :P [00:49] Kubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" - Release amd64 (20111012 [00:49] a good release that was [00:49] :D [00:49] arg [00:49] re-installing is a PITA [00:49] Maintainer: Kubuntu Developers [00:49] I'm so dumb [00:50] lol [00:50] Quintasan: dunno, you could have intentionally wanted all the "SUBJECT: bug" mails ;) [00:50] Quintasan: In the current build I'm looking at, p-w-homerun depends on libhomerun (>= 0.1.0). [00:50] That's from shlibs:Depends. [00:50] ScottK: And I can't install it from my PPA for some reason [00:50] Slight problem though that it's libhomerun instead of libhomerun0. [00:51] Your fix won't fix that. [00:51] uhh [00:51] shlibs depends will still create that dependency. [00:51] You need to figure out why it's doing that. [00:51] AH [00:51] note: order matters in debian/control [00:51] I see that libhomerun [00:51] Damn [00:52] I thought it was because I did not explictly state it does depend on that [00:52] and shlibs took care of that but did it wrong [00:52] how did it manage to get it wrong? [00:52] That's another question [00:53] Quintasan: Look at the header for your symbols file. [00:53] * Quintasan looks at command history [00:53] * apachelogger spies packaging [00:54] ScottK: Just changing that to libhomerun0 will suffice or I'd better recreate the symbols file? [00:55] Changing would be enough, I think. [00:55] yes [00:55] * Quintasan picks the latter [00:55] Never hurts to be safe [00:55] I already uploaded broken stuff [00:56] who reviewed that package? [00:56] I missed the symbols file mistake in source New. [00:56] don't we do pre-upload reviews anymore? :( [00:57] We should. [00:57] yes [00:59] As a great and powerful DD, I'm accustomed to uploading on my own though. Heck it only took three tries to get libopenbdx building on all 13 Debian release archs: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=libopendbx [00:59] oh, I found my SRU notes again [00:59] and hooray I still need to do the news plasmoids screwed up in quantal SRU [00:59] yay [00:59] -.- [00:59] ScottK: ^^ [01:00] which reminds me that something ftbfs on armhf with a spooky error [01:00] Symbols files for a library package that have C and C++ in it can be fun. [01:00] ah, it built meanwhile [01:00] Magic. [01:01] nah, prolly a broken gcc [01:01] hence why the error was so spooky [01:01] * Quintasan triple checks every damn occurence of libhomerun [01:01] ScottK: how would that work? [01:02] they'd all get c++ mangling at linktime, no? [01:02] Different files in the same library package. [01:02] The C stuff seemed ~normal. [01:03] pkgkde-symbolshelper failed me on this. [01:03] ah well, one package should only hold one libarary anyway :P [01:03] That's why I was hand stitching the 13 build logs into a symbols file earlier today. [01:03] madness [01:04] Well, it's enough binaries there already due to plugins that I don't care to double it. [01:04] Fortunately it's in maintenance mode upstream, so hopefully it'll be awhile before I have to do that again. [01:31] ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/611060 [01:33] installable [01:33] works [01:35] ScottK: uploading, will appreciate if you can accept it [01:35] timeouts [01:35] timeouts everywhere [01:35] * Quintasan will upload tomorrow [01:36] good night [02:15] * apachelogger dances with JontheEchidna [02:15] :D === fenris is now known as Guest34244 [02:55] Quintasan: I rejected the bad binaries. I'll look at it tomorrow. === fenris is now known as Guest9079 === micahg_ is now known as micahg [04:40] any particular class in pykde/pyqt that can ping a server and interval and provide an event if ping failed , basically to check if the server is online or not [04:54] Now idea, but lack of ping response doesn't actually mean the server isn't there and responding to other requests. [04:54] s/Now/No [07:30] anyone seen Darkwing lately? [08:22] good morning kubuntu [08:24] hello hello [08:39] good morning apachelogger [08:39] Tm_T: no Darkwing has been silent for a while, a bit worrying [08:51] Riddell: indeed [08:53] Quintasan_: sorry for the licensing mess in Homerun, that's what happen when one reuse code from various parts of KDE :/ [09:03] agateau: he's just squeamish [09:03] http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy [09:03] that is rather limited licensing really [09:04] you still end up with code with BSD, GPLx and LGPLx licenses [09:04] I once tried to get a package into the archive that had like every license possible, code copies of library possible and copyright attributed to just about every free software developer [09:04] (suffice to say it did not end up in the archive, quite the loss though) [09:04] you have weird games [09:05] was no game really :P [09:05] http://ksquirrel.sourceforge.net/ [09:05] I think it's that [09:08] not sure though [09:08] it definitely has fun stuff [09:08] * Part of the Independent JPEG Group's software. [09:08] * See the file Copyright for more details. [09:08] 3-clause bsd [09:08] so it is at least on par with homerun ;) [09:16] * apachelogger cleans up his $HOME [09:20] /home/me/src/bzr/decascader [09:20] why that should be picked up [09:20] I see :) [09:21] merges settings [09:22] so instead of /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook lying ontop of /usr/share/kubuntu-desktop you get /usr/share/kubuntu/merged-netbook and that is it [09:22] faster system ftw [09:25] ScottK: why did I write a kcm to edit /etc/hosts? [09:27] can someonemake the change for me, i have too sleep then not allowed on the computer tomorrow morning(im 13 not a pathetic adult) [09:29] scottk kniws what i'm on about, i lost the bug number again [09:30] *knows [09:31] Noskcaj: bug 1066225 ? [09:31] Launchpad bug 1066225 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "encrypt home folder needs to be checkbox not radio button" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066225 [09:31] yes, thankyou [09:32] I am sure ScottK will find someone to fix it ;) [09:33] yay, no learning required, or using kubuntu(i just cant how to use ut, please dont laugh at or try to tell me otherwise) [09:34] i missed the word "see" [09:35] actually I meant to write a blog post about entrance barriers WRT implicit knowledge assumed on the users part [09:35] I was using openSUSE the other day and did not manage to install a specific package update because of that [10:14] valorie: you still doing documentation stuff in kde, right? [10:33] apachelogger: I haven't been very active of late [10:34] visiting my dad takes time and energy with not a lot to spare [10:36] niters [10:45] http://ec2-50-17-101-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html [10:49] Riddell or afiestas: you might want to look at this thread on the users list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2012-November/057263.html [10:49] we're as much in the dark as you :( [10:50] i get the same [10:54] hah [10:54] someone forgot to update dns records [10:55] the domain is renewed by bluesystems just 3 days ago [10:55] Expires on: 24-Jul-14 Last Updated on: 17-Nov-12 [10:56] keep yourself amused with http://www.netrunner-mag.com/ in the mean time I guess [10:56] look, there's vHanda! [10:57] Riddell: you have connections to bluesystems sysadmins? [10:57] might be worth nudging about the situation [10:58] I don't think there's such a thing [10:58] yeah looks like its bought service [10:59] I'll send an email to technical and administrative contact listed on domain registry [11:03] sent [11:04] hmm kubuntu-ppa-build-status doesn't check for not-installed files, I thought it did [11:18] shadeslayer: where did you add a recommends to media-player-info again? [11:18] it's still a suggests from libsolid in bzr [11:19] dear devs, could we please have kmix patched regarding bug 309045? Backports PPA is OK [11:19] Launchpad bug 309045 in Launchpad itself "pingos tipptrainer missing" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/309045 [11:20] erm, kde bug, not launchpad [11:20] this one: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=309045 [11:20] KDE bug 309045 in KMix Panel Docking "kmix causes plasma system tray to flicker when a new pulse stream is opened or closed" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [11:23] Mamarok: I can add it to my todo list but I suspect KDE SC 4.9.80 will take precedence [11:23] Riddell: yep, hopefully esken did apply the correction everywhere [11:24] any ETA for 4.10 beta? [11:24] when http://ec2-50-17-101-98.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html turns green :) [11:24] * Mamarok sits in the starting blocks, as usual === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [11:42] Mamarok: it's too invasive for backports [11:42] apachelogger: hmm? [11:42] you mean updates? === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw [11:42] the fix for the flickering [11:43] touches half of kmix [11:43] so too invasive for updates [11:43] fine for backports [11:43] yep, been talking with yofel_ about it [11:44] apachelogger: Riddell: have we done anything about the ML yet? [11:44] (as the cc have been asking about) [11:44] not me as I have not discussed anything [11:44] so I dunno nothing about nothing [11:45] jussi: no, also on the todo list for today but feel free to jump in and do it [11:46] apachelogger: this tripple negative means you know everything about nothing, so you admit to being full of knowledge === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [11:47] sounds like me, no? :P [11:48] * apachelogger installs new system [11:48] Riddell: Im looking into it [11:51] apachelogger: new computer arrived? [11:51] yus [11:51] apachelogger: anything sexy? [11:51] finally [11:52] Riddell: some alienware machine so I can use steam on linux [11:52] also proper PC [11:52] the sort you can't just pick up and carry with you? [11:53] yep [11:53] I am now using an ultrabook + PC [11:53] ultrabook? [11:53] * Riddell googles [11:53] macbook air clone thing [11:53] extra light laptop basically [11:54] * apachelogger did not want to end like shadeslayer [11:55] it's my first computer with nvidia, we'll see how that works out :S [12:00] apachelogger: non free driver GPL infringers! [12:01] Riddell: it leaves me unsurprised that nvidia would not care about the GPL [12:17] apachelogger: Riddell, ScottK, JontheEchidna, Darkwing: please go and add yourself to the ML: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council [12:34] agateau: No problem, happens, it just makes my job a little more harder === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:36] agateau: Now that ScottK pointed a few errors out and fixed them it should land in repositories soon [12:36] agateau: My roommate agreed to be a tester, so far he likes it [12:37] agateau: One thing, he wanted to remove a hard drive from the Favourite Places section but it wouldn't disappear after he clicked the minus sign === Tonio__ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio__ [13:03] * Quintasan sent his CV [13:03] I pray for the best outcome [13:04] good luck [13:04] where did you apply, if I may ask? [13:05] Hey all [13:14] mikhas: Tieto [13:28] jussi: I think I did that now. [13:28] ScottK: good :) [13:29] Quintasan: Did you upload the fixed homerun? [13:29] ScottK: I believe it did, I also sent you the debdiff [13:29] ScottK: I installed it and ran it successfully on my raring vm [13:29] I don't see it in the queue. [13:29] Needs uploaded so I can New it. [13:30] If I upload, I can't do the New. [13:30] oh crap [13:30] I forgot the server timed out [13:30] Uploading [13:31] ScottK: Uploaded, should show up there soon [13:31] K [13:36] ScottK: Thanks, I marked homerun as done [13:37] * Quintasan goes shopping [13:38] Quintasan: where can I get homerun? [13:39] Riddell: raring proposed or my ppa [13:39] ppa:quintasan/ppa [13:39] note it's for raring [13:39] Riddell: If you want a backport then you do it yourself or wait for me to get back home [13:40] groovy [13:40] thanks [13:40] jussi: should the archives be private? anything public is generally fine on kubuntu-devel [13:42] Riddell: there is no private archive option on Launchpad ml, and cz... bleh, Laura said that they could be public. the idea is just a single email address to email us on... [13:42] If we want private archives, then we need to get on on lists.ubuntu.com and that takes a gpg signed mail which I havent access to at the moment [13:43] hmm, we've always just pointed people at kubuntu-devel for that [13:43] Riddell: Want me to backport it to Kubuntu Backports PPA? [13:43] Quintasan: that would be lovely [13:46] Quintasan: right, that is a limitation of the current places source. Should maybe add a way to toggle listing hard drives [13:47] Riddell: Will do it either today or tomorrow [13:47] agateau: Okay, will let him know, I assume you want some input from your typical user. [13:48] Quintasan: I sure want [13:49] agateau: Consider having it as soon as it occurs as I asked him if he likes it. He made it his default activity :D [13:49] nice :) [13:50] I should be the one saying that since homerun is at 0.1.0 [13:50] :D [13:52] agateau: Good work there, looks way better than default netbook activity IMO [13:52] Quintasan: thanks! [13:52] * Quintasan goes shopping [13:53] mikhas: maliit needs more work unfortunately, somehow I can't get tests to build but my main concern is copyright file and some magic in control file [13:54] But it's pretty much done [13:54] Quintasan: Homerun accepted. [13:54] ScottK: Splendid. [13:57] Quintasan, what's wrong with the copyright file? that it is not up to date? [13:57] Or that you find it hard to extract all contributors that have copyright claims? [13:58] heh, doesn't even exist, debian copyright file :-) [13:59] thats the problem :P [14:00] If it did exist and was not up to date then that would be easy mode [14:01] same for the latter [14:01] hm [14:01] but creating it from scratch == sad Quintasan [14:02] Well, no pain no gain as they say [14:02] mikhas: Will get it done sooner or later [14:07] ok, if you are unsure about some copyright details just ask me. Quick summary as follows: framework licensed as LPGL-2, plugins use BSD-ish license, copyright is mostly like this: Copyright 2010, 2011, 2012 is Nokia Corporation and Copyright 2012 Maliit project. There are tools in Debian to extract the extract license & copyright from source files. [14:07] Quintasan, ^ [14:08] Best (for me, of course) would be if one could simply state "license and copyright: see source files" [14:17] mikhas: No. You can't because debian/copyright is what gets shipped with the compiled binaries. [14:18] Yeah, and yet some projects have done it. [14:20] It's fine in the source to include the license in the source files, it just doesn't get us out of documenting the license stuff in debian/copyright. [14:20] No, I mean I have seen some projects where the debian/copyright simply refers to the source files [14:21] The understanding being that the sourcecode is always available if someone asks or uses apt-get source [14:22] For most licenses that's not sufficient and if it's in Ubuntu, it's a bug. [14:23] For example, BSD license has: [14:23] * Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright [14:23] notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the [14:23] documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution. [14:23] mind you, we talk about *copyright*, not license [14:23] Right, but the license requires the copyright notice. [14:24] are you sure with that? [14:25] "must reproduce the above copyright notice" [14:26] You also get into issues where not all mirrors are full mirros and what happens if some mirror chooses not to mirror the source. [14:26] what about the other direction? [14:26] that copyright notice requires a license [14:27] Copyright is inherent. [14:27] if some mirrors choose not to mirror the source, there's still the original site [14:27] Right, but that mirror isn't compliant with the licenses if it's not in debian/copyright. [14:27] as long as tehre's a way to get the sourcecode then that's going be what will be used in any copyright claim, not some debian/copyright file [14:28] Also a DVD/USB stick isn't distributable without the source either. [14:28] and if there was no way to get the sourcecode, it coudlnt be in debian, right? [14:28] True, but this isn't about a lawsuit over who owns what, but about following the terms of the license under which it's free software. [14:29] Excluding non-free (which technically isn't Debian), right. [14:29] well, my concern is to keep all of that information in sync, which is really really annoying [14:29] there's SPDX, but that'S not used in Debian either, AFAIK [14:29] Yes. Yes it is. [14:30] There is work ongoing about converging the Debian machine readable copyright format and SPDX, but I've no idea its state. [14:30] ok [14:32] We don't to debian/copyright because we enjoy it, but because as a project, both Debian and Ubuntu have concluded it's legally required. [14:33] I understand that, are you required to list every single copyright holder though? [14:34] If the license requires it. [14:34] And if so, what if there are new copyright holders? From my experience, debian/copyright will rarely be up to date. Isn't that a bigger concern? [14:34] Those are bugs and should be fixed. [14:35] As a practical matter, Ubuntu is less strict about listing all copyright holders than Debian is, but it's a bug in either distro. [14:39] * ScottK fixors libkdcraw [14:42] ScottK: thanks, let's keep package status on http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas so if we're working on one then put it down with your name next to it then put 'ninjas' when uploaded there [14:43] OK. [14:57] what is the package that contains the iodbc that soprano eneds to build virtuoso backend? [14:58] tried with libiodbc2 but when I apt-get it [14:58] apt ios asking me to remove half my installed packages [15:00] afiestas: unixodbc-dev [15:01] mmm I have it installed but still not working [15:01] not working as in soprano not detecting it [15:01] Does it matter if some of our package use libjeg-dev and some use libjeg62-dev? [15:01] libkdcraw wants the newer one. [15:02] afiestas: also libvirtodbc0 [15:02] So I'm going ahead on the assumption that's OK. [15:02] Riddell: nope, all that build-dep installs is installed [15:02] for apt-get build-dep soprano === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [15:04] afiestas: what soprano are you building on what kubuntu and what's it moaning of? [15:04] hello, I received some updates today, and int the Muon Update manager, no matter on which update I click I see the same description: http://paste.kde.org/611396/ is this normal? It hasn't happened before. [15:05] Riddell: 12.10 compiling master of verything [15:05] afiestas: may be not what you are looking for but: git clone git://github.com/openlink/iODBC.git; then ./bootstrap.sh ; mkdir build ; cd build ; ../configure --prefix=$INSTALL_PREFIX --disable-gui ; make all install [15:05] switched to kubuntu my workstation, so I-m setting up the environment now [15:06] ovidiu-florin: it's probably all kde-workspace, it makes quite a few binary packages [15:08]