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| ecanuto | hey all... just back from holidays! | 17:11 |
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| ecanuto | jbicha, do you know who I can ping to get a patch on ubuntu kernel? (already did a bug report, attached patch, get it on linux kernel) | 17:15 |
| jbicha | ecanuto: no but you can ask in #ubuntu-kernel | 17:18 |
| ecanuto | jbicha, thank you | 17:19 |
| ecanuto | jbicha, one more question, we forget to include gdebi-core in ubuntu-gnome (without it we can't install .deb in graphical mode). Is there any chance to have a 12.10.2 image? | 17:21 |
| jbicha | ecanuto: no there won't be any more 12.10 releases | 17:27 |
| jbicha | ecanuto: is there a bug for that issue? | 17:29 |
| ecanuto | jbicha, well, when people download skype, google talk plugin or some other debs and try to double click | 17:31 |
| ecanuto | we have a error message after click "install" | 17:32 |
| ecanuto | so, no way to install .deb in graphical mode | 17:32 |
| ecanuto | need to : | 17:32 |
| ecanuto | dpkg -i xxx.deb | 17:32 |
| ecanuto | apt-get -f install | 17:32 |
| ecanuto | not nice for "normal" users | 17:32 |
| jbicha | ecanuto: if there's a bug, we can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates to get it fixed in quantal | 17:35 |
| ecanuto | jbicha, yes, but how I can force a package to be included on a already installed system? update ubuntu-gnome-desktop package dependency? | 17:37 |
| ecanuto | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1060395 | 17:38 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1060395 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "Installing local deb gives an error in packagekit" [Low,Incomplete] | 17:38 |
| jbicha | ecanuto: new kernel updates are sort of new packages, but it's up to the sru team | 18:20 |
| jbicha | anyway, I'm able to install the Google Talk plugin just fine without having gdebi, gdebi-core, or software-center installed | 18:20 |
| ecanuto | jbicha, no error message? using graphical mode? | 18:36 |
| ecanuto | with clean GNOME Remix installation it don't works | 18:37 |
| ecanuto | the gdebi-core is needed since it is the deb backend for packagekit | 18:37 |
| jbicha | ecanuto: do you have sessioninstaller installed? | 18:51 |
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| everaldo | jbicha, yes | 18:53 |
| everaldo | looks like Debian already change package kit dependency to include gdebi-core | 18:54 |
| everaldo | so, we will probably be fine with 13.04 | 18:54 |
| everaldo | but not with 12.10 | 18:54 |
| jbicha | everaldo: installing https://www.google.com/chat/video works just fine with sessioninstaller installed but not software-center or gdebi-core | 18:55 |
| everaldo | jbicha, here, after install and remove gdebi is also works | 18:57 |
| everaldo | crazy | 18:57 |
| everaldo | but with clean installation, don't works | 18:57 |
| everaldo | same problem in 5 machines yesterday | 18:58 |
| jbicha | everaldo: which package were you trying to install and what was the error? | 18:58 |
| jbicha | it wasn't http://askubuntu.com/questions/203907/the-package-is-of-bad-quality-google-chrome was it? | 18:59 |
| everaldo | jbicha, no, it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1060395 | 19:00 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1060395 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "Installing local deb gives an error in packagekit" [Low,Fix released] | 19:00 |
| jbicha | everaldo: ok, I'm using raring but this needs more investigation before we do an sru | 19:05 |
| everaldo | jbicha, so, are you fine with haring? recomend it? | 19:06 |
| jbicha | everaldo: no, I don't recommend raring yet, we're still breaking things :) | 19:12 |
| everaldo | well, but I need to help fix it | 19:12 |
| everaldo | jbicha, the live-build-script is already updated? | 19:13 |
| everaldo | (GNOME Remix) | 19:13 |
| ali1234 | who is maintaining gnome classic session and how much customization does it really have from what is upstream? | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | obviously, there's indicator-applet-* and notify-osd | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | anything else? | 22:29 |
| TheLordOfTime | jbicha could answer such things :P | 22:29 |
| jbicha | ali1234: I believe the 2 big changes are that we've enabled the "distributor logo" for Ambiance & Radiance and we ship indicators by default instead of the broken system applets | 22:30 |
| jbicha | ali1234: I wouldn't count on "GNOME Classic" existing in Ubuntu 13.10 or later | 22:31 |
| ali1234 | so there's not really any customizations outside of standalone packages? | 22:32 |
| ali1234 | and the default configuration | 22:33 |
| ali1234 | i fully expect that it won't be maintained much longer so i'm making plans to ditch ubuntu :( | 22:33 |
| jbicha | ali1234: ditch Ubuntu for what? | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | well, that's what i'm trying to figure out | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | probably a source based distro, since i already have to build so much from source, i might as well use a distro that makes it easy | 22:34 |
| jbicha | ali1234: might I suggest Ubuntu 12.04 LTS; it's supposed to have some level of support until 2017 | 22:34 |
| ali1234 | no, not really, 12.04 has so many unfixed bugs it's the reason i want to leave | 22:36 |
| jbicha | ali1234: if you're building things from source anyway, you could try submitting patches and get SRU fixes in | 22:37 |
| ali1234 | do you think a patch reverting compiz to 0.8.8 would be accepted as a SRU? | 22:37 |
| jbicha | of course not | 22:38 |
| atrus | jbicha: even in gnome 3.8, which should be in gnome 13.04, "fallback" mode is going away, right? | 22:40 |
| jbicha | atrus: the current plan is for Ubuntu 13.04 to stick with GNOME 3.6 | 22:41 |
| jbicha | specific pain points are gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon, and GTK; if we know that we're likely to hold back on those, it's difficult to bother trying to package GNOME app updates until at least late in the GNOME release cycle | 22:43 |
| TheLordOfTime | you realize every version of ubuntu has unfixed bugs right, ali1234 | 22:44 |
| TheLordOfTime | ? | 22:44 |
| jbicha | some of the unfixable GNOME Shell bugs in Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 were because we didn't ship all of the latest gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon | 22:44 |
| ali1234 | sure | 22:44 |
| ali1234 | but not every version has unfixed regressions | 22:44 |
| ali1234 | anyway i'm not here to argue about bugs | 22:46 |
| jbicha | it's possible GNOME Classic could still survive but it needs people to pick up the pieces that are being dropped from gnome-settings-daemon and elsewhere | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | well yeah. which pieces are those? | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure what gnome-panel really has to do with settings-daemon? | 23:02 |
| jbicha | ali1234: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682858 | 23:02 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 682858 in general "[meta] Remove fallback support code" [Normal,New] | 23:02 |
| ali1234 | i don't see how any of that is relevant to gnome-panel specifically | 23:04 |
| atrus | jbicha: ugh :( | 23:05 |
| ali1234 | it's largely centered around the UI for switching to/from fallback mode | 23:05 |
| ali1234 | which i have never seen, because i just seleect it directly on the login screen | 23:05 |
| jbicha | ali1234: they are breaking several of the gnome-applets; maybe those won't matter too much for Ubuntu since we're using indicators but that's not the default | 23:06 |
| ali1234 | great | 23:07 |
| ali1234 | so i'll have to use MATE and gtk2? | 23:07 |
| jbicha | MATE's not a good choice | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | yeah, really | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | unfrtunately, in order of "goodness", the choices are, gnome-panel 3, gnome-panel 2, xfce, kde, unity, gnome-shell | 23:09 |
| jbicha | you could use gnome-shell with extensions | 23:10 |
| ali1234 | i tried that, it didn't work | 23:11 |
| jbicha | ali1234: I think that will get better in GNOME 3.8 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685744 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655746 | 23:13 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 685744 in general "list set of supported extensions" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 23:13 |
| ubot5 | Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655746&ctype=xml) | 23:13 |
| ali1234 | i don't mean it didn't work in the sense that it crashed | 23:14 |
| ali1234 | i mean it didn't work in the sense that extensions can't duplicate the functionality of gnome panel | 23:14 |
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