[17:11] <ecanuto> hey all... just back from holidays!
[17:15] <ecanuto> jbicha, do you know who I can ping to get a patch on ubuntu kernel? (already did a bug report, attached patch, get it on linux kernel)
[17:18] <jbicha> ecanuto: no but you can ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[17:19] <ecanuto> jbicha, thank you
[17:21] <ecanuto> jbicha, one more question, we forget to include gdebi-core in ubuntu-gnome (without it we can't install .deb in graphical mode). Is there any chance to have a 12.10.2 image?
[17:27] <jbicha> ecanuto: no there won't be any more 12.10 releases
[17:29] <jbicha> ecanuto: is there a bug for that issue?
[17:31] <ecanuto> jbicha, well, when people download skype, google talk plugin or some other debs and try to double click
[17:32] <ecanuto> we have a error message after click "install"
[17:32] <ecanuto> so, no way to install .deb in graphical mode
[17:32] <ecanuto> need to :
[17:32] <ecanuto> dpkg -i xxx.deb
[17:32] <ecanuto> apt-get -f install
[17:32] <ecanuto> not nice for "normal" users
[17:35] <jbicha> ecanuto: if there's a bug, we can follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates to get it fixed in quantal
[17:37] <ecanuto> jbicha, yes, but how I can force a package to be included on a already installed system? update ubuntu-gnome-desktop package dependency?
[17:38] <ecanuto> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1060395
[18:20] <jbicha> ecanuto: new kernel updates are sort of new packages, but it's up to the sru team
[18:20] <jbicha> anyway, I'm able to install the Google Talk plugin just fine without having gdebi, gdebi-core, or software-center installed
[18:36] <ecanuto> jbicha, no error message? using graphical mode?
[18:37] <ecanuto> with clean GNOME Remix installation it don't works
[18:37] <ecanuto> the gdebi-core is needed since it is the deb backend for packagekit
[18:51] <jbicha> ecanuto: do you have sessioninstaller installed?
[18:53] <everaldo> jbicha, yes
[18:54] <everaldo> looks like Debian already change package kit dependency to include gdebi-core
[18:54] <everaldo> so, we will probably be fine with 13.04
[18:54] <everaldo> but not with 12.10
[18:55] <jbicha> everaldo: installing https://www.google.com/chat/video works just fine with sessioninstaller installed but not software-center or gdebi-core
[18:57] <everaldo> jbicha, here, after install and remove gdebi is also works
[18:57] <everaldo> crazy
[18:57] <everaldo> but with clean installation, don't works
[18:58] <everaldo> same problem in 5 machines yesterday
[18:58] <jbicha> everaldo: which package were you trying to install and what was the error?
[18:59] <jbicha> it wasn't http://askubuntu.com/questions/203907/the-package-is-of-bad-quality-google-chrome was it?
[19:00] <everaldo> jbicha, no, it is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/packagekit/+bug/1060395
[19:05] <jbicha> everaldo: ok, I'm using raring but this needs more investigation before we do an sru
[19:06] <everaldo> jbicha, so, are you fine with haring? recomend it?
[19:12] <jbicha> everaldo: no, I don't recommend raring yet, we're still breaking things :)
[19:12] <everaldo> well, but I need to help fix it
[19:13] <everaldo> jbicha, the live-build-script is already updated?
[19:13] <everaldo> (GNOME Remix)
[22:29] <ali1234> who is maintaining gnome classic session and how much customization does it really have from what is upstream?
[22:29] <ali1234> obviously, there's indicator-applet-* and notify-osd
[22:29] <ali1234> anything else?
[22:29] <TheLordOfTime> jbicha could answer such things :P
[22:30] <jbicha> ali1234: I believe the 2 big changes are that we've enabled the "distributor logo" for Ambiance & Radiance and we ship indicators by default instead of the broken system applets
[22:31] <jbicha> ali1234: I wouldn't count on "GNOME Classic" existing in Ubuntu 13.10 or later
[22:32] <ali1234> so there's not really any customizations outside of standalone packages?
[22:33] <ali1234> and the default configuration
[22:33] <ali1234> i fully expect that it won't be maintained much longer so i'm making plans to ditch ubuntu :(
[22:34] <jbicha> ali1234: ditch Ubuntu for what?
[22:34] <ali1234> well, that's what i'm trying to figure out
[22:34] <ali1234> probably a source based distro, since i already have to build so much from source, i might as well use a distro that makes it easy
[22:34] <jbicha> ali1234: might I suggest Ubuntu 12.04 LTS; it's supposed to have some level of support until 2017
[22:36] <ali1234> no, not really, 12.04 has so many unfixed bugs it's the reason i want to leave
[22:37] <jbicha> ali1234: if you're building things from source anyway, you could try submitting patches and get SRU fixes in
[22:37] <ali1234> do you think a patch reverting compiz to 0.8.8 would be accepted as a SRU?
[22:38] <jbicha> of course not
[22:40] <atrus> jbicha: even in gnome 3.8, which should be in gnome 13.04, "fallback" mode is going away, right?
[22:41] <jbicha> atrus: the current plan is for Ubuntu 13.04 to stick with GNOME 3.6
[22:43] <jbicha> specific pain points are gnome-control-center, gnome-settings-daemon, and GTK; if we know that we're likely to hold back on those, it's difficult to bother trying to package GNOME app updates until at least late in the GNOME release cycle
[22:44] <TheLordOfTime> you realize every version of ubuntu has unfixed bugs right, ali1234
[22:44] <TheLordOfTime> ?
[22:44] <jbicha> some of the unfixable GNOME Shell bugs in Ubuntu 12.04 and 12.10 were because we didn't ship all of the latest gnome-control-center/gnome-settings-daemon
[22:44] <ali1234> sure
[22:44] <ali1234> but not every version has unfixed regressions
[22:46] <ali1234> anyway i'm not here to argue about bugs
[23:01] <jbicha> it's possible GNOME Classic could still survive but it needs people to pick up the pieces that are being dropped from gnome-settings-daemon and elsewhere
[23:02] <ali1234> well yeah. which pieces are those?
[23:02] <ali1234> i'm not sure what gnome-panel really has to do with settings-daemon?
[23:02] <jbicha> ali1234: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=682858
[23:04] <ali1234> i don't see how any of that is relevant to gnome-panel specifically
[23:05] <atrus> jbicha: ugh :(
[23:05] <ali1234> it's largely centered around the UI for switching to/from fallback mode
[23:05] <ali1234> which i have never seen, because i just seleect it directly on the login screen
[23:06] <jbicha> ali1234: they are breaking several of the gnome-applets; maybe those won't matter too much for Ubuntu since we're using indicators but that's not the default
[23:07] <ali1234> great
[23:07] <ali1234> so i'll have to use MATE and gtk2?
[23:08] <jbicha> MATE's not a good choice
[23:08] <ali1234> yeah, really
[23:09] <ali1234> unfrtunately, in order of "goodness", the choices are, gnome-panel 3, gnome-panel 2, xfce, kde, unity, gnome-shell
[23:10] <jbicha> you could use gnome-shell with extensions
[23:11] <ali1234> i tried that, it didn't work
[23:13] <jbicha> ali1234: I think that will get better in GNOME 3.8 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685744 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=655746
[23:14] <ali1234> i don't mean it didn't work in the sense that it crashed
[23:14] <ali1234> i mean it didn't work in the sense that extensions can't duplicate the functionality of gnome panel