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snap-lttp://thedailywtf.com/Articles/PHPTXTDB.aspx01:22
rick_hOMG OMG https://twitter.com/UnicompKeyboard/status/27087593780820787213:11
rick_hTAKE MY $$$$$$$$13:11
brouschThat's a lot of $ for a keyboard13:15
rick_hnot really. My unicomps are some of the cheaper ones I've gotten13:34
rick_h< $10013:34
snap-lMorning13:40
snap-lrick_h: That doesn't mean they're making a 10less model13:41
rick_hsnap-l: oh come on...I've got my hopes all way way up13:41
rick_hdon't crush me now13:41
snap-lrick_h: I just don't want you having to figure out how to schedule a delivery that never had a "buy it" button.13:42
rick_hsnap-l: lol13:45
dzhorick_h: 10less?13:58
rick_hdzho: yea, without the numpad on the side13:59
rick_hlike http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,tenkeyless&pid=fc200rcab14:00
rick_hbut with the awesomeness of buckling springs14:00
brouschrick_h: I was going to snark on your launchpad post, but then I read it and it's quite awesome14:01
rick_hbrousch: yea, why I posted it. I tend to try to stay away from the LP flame bait14:01
rick_hI've got no illusions14:01
rick_hbut that is the one giant use case I keep preaching14:02
brouschYour lack of indiscriminate pimping is what prompted me to read it ;)14:06
rick_hhah14:06
dzhoah14:08
jrwren10less meaning less the 10key keypad, right?14:14
rick_hjrwren: right14:15
rick_hI prefer that size for work but prefer the buckling springs feel so I get cranky that there's not my 'fav' keyboard out there14:15
jrwrenonly $80. that isn't bad at all.14:15
rick_hand unicomp keeps hinting they're thinking of making a 10less. I guess they did years ago14:15
jrwrenthat is cheaper than anything with cherry switches14:15
rick_hyea, why I don't get people spending $130 or so for the das14:15
jrwrenbecause teh das is cooler.14:16
rick_hright, my cherry boards were all more $$, even the 10less ones14:16
jrwrenits CALLED DAS KEYBAORD FFS!14:16
rick_h*sigh* crappy POS ... :P14:16
jrwrenbe sure to mention it if they come out with a 10less, I'll pick one up.14:16
rick_hoh you'll see me singing from the roof tops as I click "buy buy buy"14:16
snap-ljrwren: You'll hear the sighs of a thousand UPS drivers when that happens14:19
rick_hhah! only one. I don't need a pair for work/home14:19
rick_hjust one for home, maybe one for travel/backup14:19
rick_hahhhh, a unicomp 10less when doing sprints for a week14:19
rick_hhow awesome that would be14:19
snap-land another for the kitchen, one for the bathroom, one to dry off on after showeing14:19
rick_hwell they are pretty impervious. Little water won't hurt.14:20
snap-lOne to sleep on in the middle of the night so each little spring can sing sweet springy lullabies as rick_h drifts to sleep14:20
* snap-l just heard another sale after that remoark14:21
rick_hone for my wife to smash me over the head with so I keep quiet14:21
* snap-l sent a note to Apress to ask them to add .mobi and .epub books to my account for the old books I only had as PDFs14:25
rick_hah nice14:25
* rick_h crosses fingers for you14:26
snap-lThey already did it14:26
rick_hnice!14:26
snap-lAsked them to do it for Coders at Work14:26
snap-lOf course, the chances of me reading PHP Objects, or DJango 1.0 books is remote14:26
snap-lbut nice to have them, regardless. ;)14:26
snap-lTheir book library makes me love O'Reilly's setup all the more, though14:27
brouschThat's what jrwren thought too, now look at him all up in Django 1.014:27
snap-lit's seriously a paged list of books in no particular order.14:27
jrwrenanyone know a good valgrind tutorial?14:33
jrwrenwhich django books?14:33
jrwreni haven't done django in months, but I'm still looking for a decent book on it. IME there are no good books on it.14:34
jrwrenjust poor books that are better than nothing.14:34
rick_hthey're updating one of the big ones14:34
snap-ljrwren: These are at best 1.1 books14:34
jrwrensnap-l: so... Alchin's Pro Django ?14:35
rick_hhttp://goo.gl/xBdeD14:35
rick_hwow14:35
rick_hHP blames accounting frauds preceding HP’s acquisition of Autonomy?14:36
snap-ljrwren: Definitive Guide to Django, Practical Django Projects14:36
snap-lI think I got out of Django before Pro Django was released.14:36
snap-lor rather, rick_h got out of Django, and I followed. ;)14:37
* snap-l is just a rick_h sycophant. ;)14:37
snap-lrick_h: I think that Autonomy acquisition thing is a straw to soften the blow14:38
snap-lThey're getting their asses handed to them14:38
rick_hno kidding, 8B with a B?14:38
snap-lProblem is, they need something new to drive customers14:39
snap-lthey have no tablet strategy that's worth anything14:39
snap-lThey have laptops which are regarded as one step up from shit14:40
snap-lThey have a printer business that they've let turn into a consumer race for the bottom14:40
snap-lAnd they can't compete on price14:40
rick_hbut that's all business they're supposed to be dumping out the back window14:41
snap-lI'm not sure about their consulting business14:41
snap-land their server business is long in the tooth, last I checked14:41
snap-lWhen you dump your core competencies, what do you have left?14:41
snap-lIBM at least has mainframes that aren't going anywhere14:42
snap-land thousands of consultants ready to take your money14:42
brouschThe Touchpad makes a nice android tablet14:42
snap-land the Blackberry makes a great doorstop.14:42
snap-lProblem is they've let their quality slide, and they're trying to make it up in ink sales14:43
snap-l(on the printer side)14:43
snap-lAnd their laptops have become also-rans14:44
snap-lAlthough it looks like the Autonomy merger was outright fraud14:46
snap-lhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324352004578130712448913412.html14:46
snap-l" The year-earlier period included $885 million of charges tied to H-P's decision to wind down its webOS device business following the acquisition of Palm Inc."14:46
rick_hyea, but 8B14:47
rick_hso they'd need some 10 divisinos to wind down for 8B14:47
snap-lYeah, just highlighting something in the article I found interesting14:47
snap-lThing is, until they revamp themselves as a company that can make higher-end, quality machines, they're going to be competing against companies that can whip out $200 chrome books14:49
snap-lThey're in deep shit14:50
snap-lwith a capital S14:50
jrwrenOH! HP.14:56
jrwrenI couldn't figure out who you were talking about.14:56
snap-ljrwren: Sorry. :)14:56
jrwreni agree with everything snap-l said.14:57
jrwreni just hope they spinn off their med devices div.14:57
jrwrentheir spectrometers seem reasonable.14:57
jrwrentheir microscopes seem reasonable.14:57
snap-ljrwren: Who would buy it? GE? Siemens?14:58
rick_hsony14:58
snap-lSony needs medical devices like they need a hole in their head14:59
snap-lproblem is Korea caught up14:59
snap-l(S. Korea)14:59
snap-lLast few hospital visits, I've seen GE and Philips devices15:00
jrwrenGE, Siemens, LG or Samsung. Not sure GE needs the tech, but maybe buy it for patents and customer base.15:02
jrwrenI'd like to see it stay american owned, so hopefully GE can get it on the cheap.15:02
jrwren40k line output from valgrind. YAY15:02
snap-ljrwren: Awesome.15:03
jrwrenamature tip: don't valgrind openssl15:07
snap-lThat's both sage advice, and a little frightening15:08
rick_hsnap-l: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-medicalproducts/15:14
snap-lThat doesn't surprise me. That's part of their competencies.15:20
rick_hright, so I think sony should buy HP's medical stuff15:21
rick_hand compete with the GE/etc15:21
snap-lThey'd be crazy to do so15:24
snap-lSony is doing horribly15:24
rick_h<3 http://craigkerstiens.com/2012/11/17/how-i-write-sql/15:42
rick_hok this is pretty cool15:52
rick_hhttp://www.kickstarter.com/projects/phorce/phorce-the-worlds-first-smart-bag15:52
rick_hwould love a batter sleeve to put into my backpack that would charge up things15:52
rick_h/batter/battery15:53
brouschLooks like only Apple devices judging by the picture15:53
rick_hthat's what it's setup for yea. but it's usb15:54
rick_hhttps://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/264/048/8914a378960b1eebeabbdbf3f9998b49_large.JPG?1353013912 shows the ports to plug into15:55
rick_hhmm, maybe get one of these and run a default cable through my bag http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008TXFPS2/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00#productPromotions16:19
widoxrick_h: no laptop charging though17:01
widoxI can charge my phone 6 times though!17:02
rick_hwidox: yea, thinking charing mifi, tablet, cell phone17:07
rick_hnow my phone is normally in my pocket, but if I pre-run a cable through to where I put my tablet/mifi that would be cool17:07
rick_hmy current charger thing only does one device at a time17:08
widoxah17:08
widoxthat would be my biggest annoyance- wires all over17:08
rick_hyea, why I liked the idea of the bag with the wires pre-run17:09
rick_hwonder if I could run something that could work in my current bag17:09
rick_hthere is a headphone cable run in there hmm17:09
widoxsure, if you don't mind making some cuts in the lining17:09
rick_hyea, I really <3 my backpack but love the idea of built in charging ready to go when traveling17:10
widoxugh, hating UPS right now17:14
rick_hlosing your stuff?17:14
widox"1st delivery attempt failed" my ass, been here all day!17:15
rick_hit needs to be signed?17:15
widoxspeaking of tablets, its my nexus 7 :)17:15
widoxyeah17:15
rick_hooh, shiny17:15
rick_hyou get the new 32gb?17:15
widoxI just went 16GB17:16
widoxdidn't think I'll need 32GB17:16
rick_hI filled my 16gb when I went to copenhagen17:16
widox:-/17:17
rick_hmovies for the trip though. Once I got back went back down pretty low17:17
rick_hI want to get the 32GB but oh well. Also read the review that the 32GB was faster. Not sure if the new model is faster across all sizes17:17
widoxhuh. I  wonder why17:17
rick_hhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/googles-nexus-7-gets-a-fresh-coat-of-paint-for-the-holidays/17:18
rick_htheir thought was possibly faster memory17:18
rick_h"the tablet's memory speeds are improved quite a bit over the entry-level 8GB version, due perhaps to the use of faster NAND or because higher-density devices can increase speeds by performing more read and write operations simultaneously (a process also known as interleaving). Read speeds are up by around 33 percent, while write speeds are about twice as fast as they are on the 8GB version."17:18
widoxinteresting17:19
rick_hyea17:19
rick_htrying hard to be happy with what I've got heh17:19
widoxwell, we can compare. if I ever receive it...17:20
rick_hgrrr, get my patent hating blood boiling http://goo.gl/8NLgM17:43
brouschrick_h: You could switch entirely to the tablet - dump the laptop.18:01
brouschNative Ubuntu on Nexus 718:01
rick_hummm...no18:02
rick_h<3 my x230 and never going to give it up18:02
rick_hexcept for a x24018:02
rick_hor 5018:02
brouschNexus7 + one of those keyboards you love18:02
rick_hnope18:03
jjessejust run everything in the cloud dude18:03
jjessethe cloud is the answer for everything18:03
brouschTransformer Prime? 1920x1080, keyboard included?18:03
rick_hI can't do that18:03
rick_hI have a bunch of stuff in the cloud but local dev local ftw18:03
greg-glocal still wins out over "cloud" until we have permanent/resilient/high bandwidth/cheap connections18:08
brouschWhy high bandwidth if all you're doing is sshing to a server?18:20
greg-gI, you know, take photos, create movies/videos, listen to music, etc etc18:21
rick_hgreg-g: you giant corner case you :P18:21
greg-g:)18:21
rick_htake photos...hah! I mean, who really takes those any more18:21
rick_hAfter all the govt does that for us :P18:21
greg-g"with your phone right?" "uh, no, I have a camera, it's better than a phone" "a what?"18:22
rick_hjust request the copies under FOIA18:22
greg-ghah18:22
greg-g"Hi, I'd like some of my most cherished memories, can you send them along to me on a DVD? No wait, just a cloud hosted platform I can log in and you can log what I watch, which parts I skip, and which I re-watch. Yeah, that's it."18:23
brouschWhy do you need a picture? Just search for it on Google. I'm sure someone already took it and uploaded it18:23
greg-gbrousch: says the man who has youtube videos of his son playing drums18:23
greg-gthere were already plenty of those before you, you know ;)18:24
brouschI know. I got them from a torrent18:25
greg-ghaha18:25
brouschKid looks enough like mine18:25
Blazeixa little bit of cosmetic surgery will save you the trouble of having to take your own videos18:27
rick_hyea, real time video overlay ftw18:27
rick_hthink the google hangout extras that put a hat on your head, but with your son's face18:28
snap-lPlease don't give me ideas.18:28
rick_hsnap-l: any kitty news?19:56
jupedyeah i've been following knews on twitter as well19:59
snap-lYeah, she is out of surgery20:15
snap-lKidney is fine. When she went in for her spay, something wasn't tied off right, so it rubbed against her ureter20:16
snap-land she had a reaction to the sutures they used.20:16
snap-lso what they did was attacht eh ureter to a different location on the bladder20:16
snap-lwhich, hopefully will mean healthy two-kidney functioning kitty20:17
snap-lWe'll likely see her tomorrow, and hopefully if everything is functioning properly, be able to take her home Sunday.20:17
rick_hwarranty work?20:20
snap-lell, the Cat Practice is paying for the specialist to take care of her20:21
snap-lso, in a sense, yes.20:21
rick_hcool20:22
snap-lYeah, I don't hink we could have afforded it otherwise.20:22
snap-lJoDee has been an emotional wreck over this, so good news is good.20:23
rick_hyea, very good20:24
greg-gyay, glacier support in git-annex! http://git-annex.branchable.com/special_remotes/glacier/21:02
greg-ghttp://git-annex.branchable.com/design/assistant/blog/day_137__Glacier/21:03
greg-gI love this line: "(Well, I think it works... Since it takes 4 hours to get data out, which is longer than the time it took me to sign up for Glacier and write the special remote ... I've yet to fully test it!)"21:03
rick_hheh, that one is going to be funto write a functional test for isn't it21:09
Blazeixwhat's the best way to do rdfa in html? just add rel="prefix:property" to my markup?22:06
Blazeixthere's a ton of information out there, but it seems like a lot of it conflicts22:07
Blazeixthis might be a greg-g question :)22:07
greg-gBlazeix: generally yeah, that's right. Some are built in (ie: don't need the prefix)22:10
greg-ghttp://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-lite/22:11
Blazeixso everything on here is built-in, right? http://www.w3.org/2011/rdfa-context/rdfa-1.122:11
greg-gin that first group, yeah22:11
Blazeixok. so in html5 the only non-standard attributes are data-*. does rdfa[-lite] just ignore that?22:12
greg-gwell, I guess the question is whether the parser you're using ignores that22:13
greg-gvarious parsers are idiosyncratic22:13
Blazeixright, html5-wise i really only care about browsers. the most strict parser will probably be the rdfa parser22:14
* greg-g nods22:15
Blazeixok, thanks. time to rdfa the hell out of my company's website.22:16
greg-g:) awesome22:16
Blazeixi attended a talk about sparql that blew my mind. a really neat concept22:17
greg-gyeah :)22:17
greg-gyay semantic web! ;)22:17

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