[01:22] <snap-l> ttp://thedailywtf.com/Articles/PHPTXTDB.aspx
[13:11] <rick_h> OMG OMG https://twitter.com/UnicompKeyboard/status/270875937808207872
[13:11] <rick_h> TAKE MY $$$$$$$$
[13:15] <brousch> That's a lot of $ for a keyboard
[13:34] <rick_h> not really. My unicomps are some of the cheaper ones I've gotten
[13:34] <rick_h> < $100
[13:40] <snap-l> Morning
[13:41] <snap-l> rick_h: That doesn't mean they're making a 10less model
[13:41] <rick_h> snap-l: oh come on...I've got my hopes all way way up
[13:41] <rick_h> don't crush me now
[13:42] <snap-l> rick_h: I just don't want you having to figure out how to schedule a delivery that never had a "buy it" button.
[13:45] <rick_h> snap-l: lol
[13:58] <dzho> rick_h: 10less?
[13:59] <rick_h> dzho: yea, without the numpad on the side
[14:00] <rick_h> like http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=leopold,tenkeyless&pid=fc200rcab
[14:00] <rick_h> but with the awesomeness of buckling springs
[14:01] <brousch> rick_h: I was going to snark on your launchpad post, but then I read it and it's quite awesome
[14:01] <rick_h> brousch: yea, why I posted it. I tend to try to stay away from the LP flame bait
[14:01] <rick_h> I've got no illusions
[14:02] <rick_h> but that is the one giant use case I keep preaching
[14:06] <brousch> Your lack of indiscriminate pimping is what prompted me to read it ;)
[14:06] <rick_h> hah
[14:08] <dzho> ah
[14:14] <jrwren> 10less meaning less the 10key keypad, right?
[14:15] <rick_h> jrwren: right
[14:15] <rick_h> I prefer that size for work but prefer the buckling springs feel so I get cranky that there's not my 'fav' keyboard out there
[14:15] <jrwren> only $80. that isn't bad at all.
[14:15] <rick_h> and unicomp keeps hinting they're thinking of making a 10less. I guess they did years ago
[14:15] <jrwren> that is cheaper than anything with cherry switches
[14:15] <rick_h> yea, why I don't get people spending $130 or so for the das
[14:16] <jrwren> because teh das is cooler.
[14:16] <rick_h> right, my cherry boards were all more $$, even the 10less ones
[14:16] <jrwren> its CALLED DAS KEYBAORD FFS!
[14:16] <rick_h> *sigh* crappy POS ... :P
[14:16] <jrwren> be sure to mention it if they come out with a 10less, I'll pick one up.
[14:16] <rick_h> oh you'll see me singing from the roof tops as I click "buy buy buy"
[14:19] <snap-l> jrwren: You'll hear the sighs of a thousand UPS drivers when that happens
[14:19] <rick_h> hah! only one. I don't need a pair for work/home
[14:19] <rick_h> just one for home, maybe one for travel/backup
[14:19] <rick_h> ahhhh, a unicomp 10less when doing sprints for a week
[14:19] <rick_h> how awesome that would be
[14:19] <snap-l> and another for the kitchen, one for the bathroom, one to dry off on after showeing
[14:20] <rick_h> well they are pretty impervious. Little water won't hurt.
[14:20] <snap-l> One to sleep on in the middle of the night so each little spring can sing sweet springy lullabies as rick_h drifts to sleep
[14:21]  * snap-l just heard another sale after that remoark
[14:21] <rick_h> one for my wife to smash me over the head with so I keep quiet
[14:25]  * snap-l sent a note to Apress to ask them to add .mobi and .epub books to my account for the old books I only had as PDFs
[14:25] <rick_h> ah nice
[14:26]  * rick_h crosses fingers for you
[14:26] <snap-l> They already did it
[14:26] <rick_h> nice!
[14:26] <snap-l> Asked them to do it for Coders at Work
[14:26] <snap-l> Of course, the chances of me reading PHP Objects, or DJango 1.0 books is remote
[14:26] <snap-l> but nice to have them, regardless. ;)
[14:27] <snap-l> Their book library makes me love O'Reilly's setup all the more, though
[14:27] <brousch> That's what jrwren thought too, now look at him all up in Django 1.0
[14:27] <snap-l> it's seriously a paged list of books in no particular order.
[14:33] <jrwren> anyone know a good valgrind tutorial?
[14:33] <jrwren> which django books?
[14:34] <jrwren> i haven't done django in months, but I'm still looking for a decent book on it. IME there are no good books on it.
[14:34] <jrwren> just poor books that are better than nothing.
[14:34] <rick_h> they're updating one of the big ones
[14:34] <snap-l> jrwren: These are at best 1.1 books
[14:35] <jrwren> snap-l: so... Alchin's Pro Django ?
[14:35] <rick_h> http://goo.gl/xBdeD
[14:35] <rick_h> wow
[14:36] <rick_h> HP blames accounting frauds preceding HP’s acquisition of Autonomy?
[14:36] <snap-l> jrwren: Definitive Guide to Django, Practical Django Projects
[14:36] <snap-l> I think I got out of Django before Pro Django was released.
[14:37] <snap-l> or rather, rick_h got out of Django, and I followed. ;)
[14:37]  * snap-l is just a rick_h sycophant. ;)
[14:38] <snap-l> rick_h: I think that Autonomy acquisition thing is a straw to soften the blow
[14:38] <snap-l> They're getting their asses handed to them
[14:38] <rick_h> no kidding, 8B with a B?
[14:39] <snap-l> Problem is, they need something new to drive customers
[14:39] <snap-l> they have no tablet strategy that's worth anything
[14:40] <snap-l> They have laptops which are regarded as one step up from shit
[14:40] <snap-l> They have a printer business that they've let turn into a consumer race for the bottom
[14:40] <snap-l> And they can't compete on price
[14:41] <rick_h> but that's all business they're supposed to be dumping out the back window
[14:41] <snap-l> I'm not sure about their consulting business
[14:41] <snap-l> and their server business is long in the tooth, last I checked
[14:41] <snap-l> When you dump your core competencies, what do you have left?
[14:42] <snap-l> IBM at least has mainframes that aren't going anywhere
[14:42] <snap-l> and thousands of consultants ready to take your money
[14:42] <brousch> The Touchpad makes a nice android tablet
[14:42] <snap-l> and the Blackberry makes a great doorstop.
[14:43] <snap-l> Problem is they've let their quality slide, and they're trying to make it up in ink sales
[14:43] <snap-l> (on the printer side)
[14:44] <snap-l> And their laptops have become also-rans
[14:46] <snap-l> Although it looks like the Autonomy merger was outright fraud
[14:46] <snap-l> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324352004578130712448913412.html
[14:46] <snap-l> " The year-earlier period included $885 million of charges tied to H-P's decision to wind down its webOS device business following the acquisition of Palm Inc."
[14:47] <rick_h> yea, but 8B
[14:47] <rick_h> so they'd need some 10 divisinos to wind down for 8B
[14:47] <snap-l> Yeah, just highlighting something in the article I found interesting
[14:49] <snap-l> Thing is, until they revamp themselves as a company that can make higher-end, quality machines, they're going to be competing against companies that can whip out $200 chrome books
[14:50] <snap-l> They're in deep shit
[14:50] <snap-l> with a capital S
[14:56] <jrwren> OH! HP.
[14:56] <jrwren> I couldn't figure out who you were talking about.
[14:56] <snap-l> jrwren: Sorry. :)
[14:57] <jrwren> i agree with everything snap-l said.
[14:57] <jrwren> i just hope they spinn off their med devices div.
[14:57] <jrwren> their spectrometers seem reasonable.
[14:57] <jrwren> their microscopes seem reasonable.
[14:58] <snap-l> jrwren: Who would buy it? GE? Siemens?
[14:58] <rick_h> sony
[14:59] <snap-l> Sony needs medical devices like they need a hole in their head
[14:59] <snap-l> problem is Korea caught up
[14:59] <snap-l> (S. Korea)
[15:00] <snap-l> Last few hospital visits, I've seen GE and Philips devices
[15:02] <jrwren> GE, Siemens, LG or Samsung. Not sure GE needs the tech, but maybe buy it for patents and customer base.
[15:02] <jrwren> I'd like to see it stay american owned, so hopefully GE can get it on the cheap.
[15:02] <jrwren> 40k line output from valgrind. YAY
[15:03] <snap-l> jrwren: Awesome.
[15:07] <jrwren> amature tip: don't valgrind openssl
[15:08] <snap-l> That's both sage advice, and a little frightening
[15:14] <rick_h> snap-l: http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-medicalproducts/
[15:20] <snap-l> That doesn't surprise me. That's part of their competencies.
[15:21] <rick_h> right, so I think sony should buy HP's medical stuff
[15:21] <rick_h> and compete with the GE/etc
[15:24] <snap-l> They'd be crazy to do so
[15:24] <snap-l> Sony is doing horribly
[15:42] <rick_h> <3 http://craigkerstiens.com/2012/11/17/how-i-write-sql/
[15:52] <rick_h> ok this is pretty cool
[15:52] <rick_h> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/phorce/phorce-the-worlds-first-smart-bag
[15:52] <rick_h> would love a batter sleeve to put into my backpack that would charge up things
[15:53] <rick_h> /batter/battery
[15:53] <brousch> Looks like only Apple devices judging by the picture
[15:54] <rick_h> that's what it's setup for yea. but it's usb
[15:55] <rick_h> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/264/048/8914a378960b1eebeabbdbf3f9998b49_large.JPG?1353013912 shows the ports to plug into
[16:19] <rick_h> hmm, maybe get one of these and run a default cable through my bag http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008TXFPS2/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00#productPromotions
[17:01] <widox> rick_h: no laptop charging though
[17:02] <widox> I can charge my phone 6 times though!
[17:07] <rick_h> widox: yea, thinking charing mifi, tablet, cell phone
[17:07] <rick_h> now my phone is normally in my pocket, but if I pre-run a cable through to where I put my tablet/mifi that would be cool
[17:08] <rick_h> my current charger thing only does one device at a time
[17:08] <widox> ah
[17:08] <widox> that would be my biggest annoyance- wires all over
[17:09] <rick_h> yea, why I liked the idea of the bag with the wires pre-run
[17:09] <rick_h> wonder if I could run something that could work in my current bag
[17:09] <rick_h> there is a headphone cable run in there hmm
[17:09] <widox> sure, if you don't mind making some cuts in the lining
[17:10] <rick_h> yea, I really <3 my backpack but love the idea of built in charging ready to go when traveling
[17:14] <widox> ugh, hating UPS right now
[17:14] <rick_h> losing your stuff?
[17:15] <widox> "1st delivery attempt failed" my ass, been here all day!
[17:15] <rick_h> it needs to be signed?
[17:15] <widox> speaking of tablets, its my nexus 7 :)
[17:15] <widox> yeah
[17:15] <rick_h> ooh, shiny
[17:15] <rick_h> you get the new 32gb?
[17:16] <widox> I just went 16GB
[17:16] <widox> didn't think I'll need 32GB
[17:16] <rick_h> I filled my 16gb when I went to copenhagen
[17:17] <widox> :-/
[17:17] <rick_h> movies for the trip though. Once I got back went back down pretty low
[17:17] <rick_h> I want to get the 32GB but oh well. Also read the review that the 32GB was faster. Not sure if the new model is faster across all sizes
[17:17] <widox> huh. I  wonder why
[17:18] <rick_h> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/googles-nexus-7-gets-a-fresh-coat-of-paint-for-the-holidays/
[17:18] <rick_h> their thought was possibly faster memory
[17:18] <rick_h> "the tablet's memory speeds are improved quite a bit over the entry-level 8GB version, due perhaps to the use of faster NAND or because higher-density devices can increase speeds by performing more read and write operations simultaneously (a process also known as interleaving). Read speeds are up by around 33 percent, while write speeds are about twice as fast as they are on the 8GB version."
[17:19] <widox> interesting
[17:19] <rick_h> yea
[17:19] <rick_h> trying hard to be happy with what I've got heh
[17:20] <widox> well, we can compare. if I ever receive it...
[17:43] <rick_h> grrr, get my patent hating blood boiling http://goo.gl/8NLgM
[18:01] <brousch> rick_h: You could switch entirely to the tablet - dump the laptop.
[18:01] <brousch> Native Ubuntu on Nexus 7
[18:02] <rick_h> ummm...no
[18:02] <rick_h> <3 my x230 and never going to give it up
[18:02] <rick_h> except for a x240
[18:02] <rick_h> or 50
[18:02] <brousch> Nexus7 + one of those keyboards you love
[18:03] <rick_h> nope
[18:03] <jjesse> just run everything in the cloud dude
[18:03] <jjesse> the cloud is the answer for everything
[18:03] <brousch> Transformer Prime? 1920x1080, keyboard included?
[18:03] <rick_h> I can't do that
[18:03] <rick_h> I have a bunch of stuff in the cloud but local dev local ftw
[18:08] <greg-g> local still wins out over "cloud" until we have permanent/resilient/high bandwidth/cheap connections
[18:20] <brousch> Why high bandwidth if all you're doing is sshing to a server?
[18:21] <greg-g> I, you know, take photos, create movies/videos, listen to music, etc etc
[18:21] <rick_h> greg-g: you giant corner case you :P
[18:21] <greg-g> :)
[18:21] <rick_h> take photos...hah! I mean, who really takes those any more
[18:21] <rick_h> After all the govt does that for us :P
[18:22] <greg-g> "with your phone right?" "uh, no, I have a camera, it's better than a phone" "a what?"
[18:22] <rick_h> just request the copies under FOIA
[18:22] <greg-g> hah
[18:23] <greg-g> "Hi, I'd like some of my most cherished memories, can you send them along to me on a DVD? No wait, just a cloud hosted platform I can log in and you can log what I watch, which parts I skip, and which I re-watch. Yeah, that's it."
[18:23] <brousch> Why do you need a picture? Just search for it on Google. I'm sure someone already took it and uploaded it
[18:23] <greg-g> brousch: says the man who has youtube videos of his son playing drums
[18:24] <greg-g> there were already plenty of those before you, you know ;)
[18:25] <brousch> I know. I got them from a torrent
[18:25] <greg-g> haha
[18:25] <brousch> Kid looks enough like mine
[18:27] <Blazeix> a little bit of cosmetic surgery will save you the trouble of having to take your own videos
[18:27] <rick_h> yea, real time video overlay ftw
[18:28] <rick_h> think the google hangout extras that put a hat on your head, but with your son's face
[18:28] <snap-l> Please don't give me ideas.
[19:56] <rick_h> snap-l: any kitty news?
[19:59] <juped> yeah i've been following knews on twitter as well
[20:15] <snap-l> Yeah, she is out of surgery
[20:16] <snap-l> Kidney is fine. When she went in for her spay, something wasn't tied off right, so it rubbed against her ureter
[20:16] <snap-l> and she had a reaction to the sutures they used.
[20:16] <snap-l> so what they did was attacht eh ureter to a different location on the bladder
[20:17] <snap-l> which, hopefully will mean healthy two-kidney functioning kitty
[20:17] <snap-l> We'll likely see her tomorrow, and hopefully if everything is functioning properly, be able to take her home Sunday.
[20:20] <rick_h> warranty work?
[20:21] <snap-l> ell, the Cat Practice is paying for the specialist to take care of her
[20:21] <snap-l> so, in a sense, yes.
[20:22] <rick_h> cool
[20:22] <snap-l> Yeah, I don't hink we could have afforded it otherwise.
[20:23] <snap-l> JoDee has been an emotional wreck over this, so good news is good.
[20:24] <rick_h> yea, very good
[21:02] <greg-g> yay, glacier support in git-annex! http://git-annex.branchable.com/special_remotes/glacier/
[21:03] <greg-g> http://git-annex.branchable.com/design/assistant/blog/day_137__Glacier/
[21:03] <greg-g> I love this line: "(Well, I think it works... Since it takes 4 hours to get data out, which is longer than the time it took me to sign up for Glacier and write the special remote ... I've yet to fully test it!)"
[21:09] <rick_h> heh, that one is going to be funto write a functional test for isn't it
[22:06] <Blazeix> what's the best way to do rdfa in html? just add rel="prefix:property" to my markup?
[22:07] <Blazeix> there's a ton of information out there, but it seems like a lot of it conflicts
[22:07] <Blazeix> this might be a greg-g question :)
[22:10] <greg-g> Blazeix: generally yeah, that's right. Some are built in (ie: don't need the prefix)
[22:11] <greg-g> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdfa-lite/
[22:11] <Blazeix> so everything on here is built-in, right? http://www.w3.org/2011/rdfa-context/rdfa-1.1
[22:11] <greg-g> in that first group, yeah
[22:12] <Blazeix> ok. so in html5 the only non-standard attributes are data-*. does rdfa[-lite] just ignore that?
[22:13] <greg-g> well, I guess the question is whether the parser you're using ignores that
[22:13] <greg-g> various parsers are idiosyncratic
[22:14] <Blazeix> right, html5-wise i really only care about browsers. the most strict parser will probably be the rdfa parser
[22:15]  * greg-g nods
[22:16] <Blazeix> ok, thanks. time to rdfa the hell out of my company's website.
[22:16] <greg-g> :) awesome
[22:17] <Blazeix> i attended a talk about sparql that blew my mind. a really neat concept
[22:17] <greg-g> yeah :)
[22:17] <greg-g> yay semantic web! ;)