[05:04] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:52] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos mornig
[05:52] <Maaz> superfly: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:52] <Squirm> morning
[05:53] <superfly> hiya Squirm
[06:10] <Kilos> hmm
[06:10] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:10] <superfly> are you now hmmm'ing too?
[06:10] <Kilos> howdy superfly 
[06:10] <Kilos> lol
[06:11] <Kilos> im thinking what to say
[06:11] <Kilos> my hmm means im  thinking
[06:11] <Kilos> trying to get 12.10 to use 8ta on other pc
[06:12] <Kilos> so if im in and out its because i steal the modem here
[06:15] <Kilos> dont figure this sa keyboard bit on installs. do we actually hace a keyboard
[06:19] <superfly> no, we use the US layout
[06:21] <Kilos> thought so ty
[06:21] <Kilos> thats what i been using till now
[06:22] <Kilos> just trying the sa one on to see what they have put in
[06:23] <Kilos> wbb
[07:11] <Kilos> morning maiatoday jrgns timkeller Superhuman Squirm psydroid 
[07:11] <Squirm> hi Kilos 
[07:11] <Kilos> whew that was a mouthfull
[07:11]  * Squirm writes Edubuntu to dvd
[07:12] <Squirm> have to get going on a ltsp
[07:12] <Squirm> :)
[07:12] <Kilos> whats that?
[07:12] <Squirm> Linux Terminal Server Project
[07:12] <Squirm> basically going to run hdd-less machines
[07:12] <Kilos> oh havent you installed server yet
[07:13] <Squirm> I was playing around testing it a while back. now comes the server ^^
[07:13] <Kilos> i got 12.10 server but first gotta fix some drives and a pc before i give it a try
[07:13] <Squirm> I like it, we're going to get pupils using Ubuntu
[07:13] <Kilos> great
[07:13] <Kilos> best place to start
[07:14] <Kilos> dunno why the varsity peeps dont flock in with the 
[07:14] <Kilos> um
[07:14] <Kilos> those machines with ubuntu on
[07:14] <Squirm> going to actually try get ZorinOS to network boot
[07:15] <Squirm> it's built on Ubuntu, Windows-like
[07:15] <Squirm> you can still clearly see it's Nautilus, but the menu style and things are like Windows 7
[07:15] <Kilos> ah
[07:16] <Kilos> whats the name of them machines that burn cds/dvds at the varsities
[07:16] <Kilos> ah
[07:16] <Kilos> freedom toasters
[07:17] <Squirm> yes
[07:17] <Squirm> I wanted to set one up here
[07:17] <Squirm> I think my boss has the software
[07:17] <Squirm> probably outdated though
[07:17] <Kilos> they actually lekker machines
[07:18] <Kilos> got 9.10 on one
[07:18] <Kilos> but was for lappies and i didnt know where i was yet
[07:18] <Squirm> I've never seen one
[07:19] <Kilos> aw
[07:19] <Squirm> went to look for one in pmb. but it had been taken down
[07:19] <Kilos> Maaz, google photo of a freedom toaster in za
[07:19] <Maaz> Kilos: "Freedom Toaster | Flickr - Photo Sharing!" http://www.flickr.com/photos/rlancefield/2475983829/ :: "Freedom Toaster : INNOVATIONS : IT Heroes Network" http://www.itheroes.org.za/?idkey=691&redirect=innovations :: "Mark Shuttleworth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth :: "New brains for The Freedom Toaster —
[07:19] <Maaz> Upfront Systems" http://www.upfrontsystems.co.za/site-news/pass-the-butter-please-we-are-d…
[07:19] <Kilos> oh my
[07:21] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Toaster
[07:22] <Kilos> i think it was just dvdwriters inna housing and musta had a mb somewhere too
[07:24] <maiatoday> aargh, Kilos and everybody, huge appologies for not making the meeting, I lapsed into domestic mommy mode and by the time I had supper done, I hadn't seen queery's reminder and it was all over
[07:24] <maiatoday> I'll read the minutes
[07:24] <maiatoday> the one thing I want to get going is the wiki page for the re-approval
[07:24] <Kilos> np maiatoday we understand
[07:24] <Kilos> life happens
[07:24] <Kilos> see im learning
[07:25] <maiatoday> thanks, but I am irritated with myself 'cause I really wanted to make it but obviously not enough :(
[07:25] <maiatoday> anyway, I'll pop in here when I've checked out the minutes and then we can see who wants to help with the re-approval wiki
[07:28] <Kilos> if its basic simple help i will give it a go
[07:28] <Kilos> and sure the other guys will help
[07:29] <Kilos> maybe even tumbles can find some time
[07:29] <Kilos> and fly and inetpro 
[07:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[07:31] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[07:31] <Kilos> superfly, ive had great news. ians docs self innoculation seems to be working
[07:31] <inetpro> oh and good morning everyone else
[07:31] <Kilos> his lung capacity has increased from 20% to 43% in 4 months
[07:32] <Kilos> hiya inetpro 
[07:32] <inetpro> sjoe
[07:32] <superfly> Kilos: self innoculation?
[07:32] <superfly> Kilos: that's great though
[07:32] <Kilos> they take blood outa the arm and add some blood stuff to it and inject back into bum near bottom of spine
[07:32] <inetpro> Kilos: s/innoculation/inoculation/
[07:33] <Kilos> so he actually is innoculating himself
[07:33] <Kilos> oh 1 n
[07:33] <Kilos> Maaz, spell innoculation
[07:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Suggestions: Inoculation or inoculation
[07:33] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[07:33] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[07:35] <Kilos> yeah he looks so much healthier and doesnt cough and sniff a 1/4 what he did when i last saw him 8 months ago
[07:35] <Kilos> im so happy for my boy
[07:35] <Kilos> yo jrgns 
[07:35] <Kilos> he was nearly dead the poor kid
[07:36] <Kilos> doc said coupla months more woulda been bye
[07:36] <Kilos> its some avian virus that there are no antibiotics for
[07:38] <Kilos> couldnt walk 10 metres without stopping to get breathe back
[07:38] <Kilos> 80% of the lungs crystalised
[07:41] <Kilos> Just the Almighty pointed him to a md thats a homeopath as well
[07:41] <Kilos> other docs had given up
[07:42] <Kilos> my kind was baie siek
[07:52] <inetpro> Kilos: ai
[07:52] <Kilos> hehe i had to zero one drive to get it working again and install 12.04 on booting, now windows cant see it and its gotta have xp on
[07:52] <Kilos> sigh
[07:52] <inetpro> bly hy kom weer reg
[07:52] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[07:54] <Kilos> so i back in dos fdisk mode
[07:56] <Kilos> sigh
[07:56]  * Kilos kicks billy onna butt
[08:02] <Kilos> inetpro, skuus man save the info somewhere for your topic update
[08:02] <Kilos> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.html
[08:02] <Kilos> next meet 17 dec
[08:05] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:06] <inetpro> Kilos: next meeting on the holiday?
[08:06] <Kilos> oh my
[08:06]  * inetpro wonders whether that be a good idea
[08:06] <Kilos> does that make a diffs
[08:06] <inetpro> maybe, maybe not
[08:06] <Kilos> can we move it to the tuesday or so?
[08:07] <inetpro> Kilos: what did you decide last night?
[08:08] <Kilos> we didnt check it was a holiday sir
[08:08] <Kilos> the following monday is way into festive season methinks
[08:09] <Kilos> or we can even make it the 10th
[08:10] <Kilos> you change the topic and i advertise it so peeps gotta follow our decision if they dont come here quick and say nay
[08:12] <Kilos> will teach peeps to watch ubuntu-za more so you and i dont get away with murder
[08:51] <Kilos> whew milk has got expensive hey?
[08:51] <Kilos> i dont think the farmer is getting much more than R1 a litre yet
[08:52] <Kilos> so nestle and clover and them make R5 on the farmers hard work
[08:53] <Kilos> per litre, then the still rmove mosta the cream to sell seperately
[08:53] <Kilos> swines
[08:56] <Kilos> life doesnt just happen, its the money grabbers that force it on everyone
[09:05] <Kilos> wb queery 
[09:05] <Kilos> jrgns, bad connection again
[09:05] <Kilos> fix it
[09:06] <Kilos> hi amanica Banlam barns 
[09:19] <inetpro> Kilos: where do you get milk for R6 ?
[09:20] <Kilos> 6+ per litre. methinks muffit said R12.85 for 2 litres
[09:20] <inetpro> it's more than R10 per litre in the shops these days
[09:20] <Kilos> checher chechers just up your street
[09:20] <Kilos> oh my
[09:21] <inetpro> and yes I also bet the farmer still gets like R1
[09:21] <inetpro> totally evil!!!
[09:21] <Kilos> if possible try support the farmers that sell in caravans and 
[09:21] <Kilos> um
[09:21] <Kilos> those tuis nywerheid places
[09:22] <inetpro> Kilos: problem is that those places don't seem to stick around for long, not sure why
[09:23] <inetpro> at least not in my area
[09:24] <inetpro> it's a tough business to be in I guess
[09:24] <inetpro> milk doesn't stay fresh for long
[09:26] <Kilos> they battle financially to cover rent etc
[09:26] <Kilos> no you gotta buy daily or every second day
[09:26] <Kilos> or parboil it
[09:27] <Kilos> just off boiling and then cool and put in fridge
[09:27] <Kilos> thats the start of pasteurising
[09:27] <Kilos> forget the right words
[09:28] <Kilos> or do as we do and buy a few bottles at a time and freeze those extras for later
[09:29] <inetpro> ai
[09:29] <inetpro> that's never the same
[09:30] <Kilos> ya but saves travelling
[09:30] <Kilos> this long life milk you buy has very little genuine milk in it
[09:30] <Kilos> because proper milk doesnt make 3 days inna fridge
[09:31] <Kilos> maybe 3 if you cooled it well and quickly after milking
[09:32] <Kilos> also let a bottle of clover go sour
[09:32] <Kilos> doesnt go sour it frots
[09:32] <Kilos> vrots
[09:32] <Kilos> daai ding
[09:33] <Kilos> with good milk you can put it inna sun for a day and it becomes maas
[09:34] <Kilos> not the bot either
[09:34] <Kilos> the stuff that them peeps drink
[09:35] <Kilos> very healthy and ok for peeps that cant handle fresh milk
[09:46] <psydroid> hi Kilos inetpro and the others
[09:49] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[09:49] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[09:50] <inetpro> now nuvolari can relax before the meeting
[09:50] <inetpro> agenda all setup
[09:50] <Kilos> haha then he doesnt prepare
[09:50] <Kilos> ty sir
[09:50] <inetpro> hmm... :-)
[09:51] <inetpro> I put his name there so he better come prepared
[09:51] <Kilos> are the minutes in that logs link?
[09:52] <inetpro> Kilos: yep in point 2 of the agenda
[09:52] <Kilos> ty
[09:52] <inetpro> sadly can't put that as a link
[09:52] <Kilos> ah
[09:52] <inetpro> or maybe I just don't know how
[09:53]  * inetpro hates the interface for posting the agenda
[09:53] <Kilos> we can worry bout that another time
[09:53] <Kilos> or you can just give the mins link here for me to tweet
[09:53] <inetpro> something that should take less than a minute to update takes 15 minutes or more
[09:53] <inetpro> Kilos: the link is in the topic
[09:54] <Kilos> win me taken over an hour to format a 500g drive
[09:54] <Kilos> ?
[09:54] <Kilos> you just said you dunno how
[09:54] <inetpro> nee man, jy verstaan verkeerd
[09:55] <Kilos> i can install 12.10 3 times in the time me takes to format
[09:55] <Vince-0> Haai
[09:55] <Kilos> ai
[09:55] <inetpro> die adres is in plein teks in item 2 maar jy kan nie kliek nie
[09:55] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[09:55] <Vince-0> So i wasn't really paying attention in the meet last night - dinner. How'd it go?
[09:56] <inetpro> Kilos: gaan kyk by http://bit.ly/T0K4ry
[09:56] <Kilos> Logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com?
[09:56] <inetpro> Kilos: agenda item 2
[09:56] <Kilos> i dont see item 2 just a long line of stuff
[09:56] <inetpro>  Review previous minutes - Johan Mynhardt @ Tue, 20 Nov. 2012 09:29 UTC
[09:56] <inetpro> http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2012-11-19-17-32-43.txt
[09:56] <Kilos> then i gotta go look agenda man
[09:57] <Kilos> you want my mail addy?
[09:57] <Kilos> ok ill post that and peeps can sort themselves out
[09:58] <inetpro> Kilos: wat wil jy post?
[09:58] <Kilos> how many following the ubuntu twit page now
[09:58] <Kilos> was thinking of direct link to minutes, not via agenda
[09:58] <inetpro> Kilos: looks like 33
[09:59] <Kilos> is that all
[09:59] <Kilos> ai
[09:59] <inetpro> Kilos: ok wag, ek maak 'n kort link vir jou
[09:59] <Kilos> that micro blog thing is stupid
[10:00] <Kilos> when post to long it doesnt say its too long it just says failed
[10:00] <Kilos> grrr
[10:00] <inetpro> Kilos: minutes of last nights #ubuntu-za meeting are at: http://bit.ly/XvUExZ
[10:00] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[10:00] <Kilos> you make my life so much easier
[10:00] <Kilos> add it to your bill
[10:00] <inetpro> lol
[10:00] <Kilos> got a nice file 13 here
[10:01] <Kilos> burn it once a week
[10:01] <inetpro> yikes
[10:01] <Kilos> hehe
[10:03] <Kilos> went well Vince-0 but not good you dont pay attention
[10:04] <Kilos> will have to think up punishment for such offences
[10:04] <Vince-0> ha! 
[10:04] <Vince-0> well, I was at sea you see
[10:05] <Kilos> ah fishing?
[10:05] <Vince-0> na just hanging out 
[10:05] <Kilos> at sea?
[10:05] <Kilos> you ok??
[10:05] <Vince-0> on a boat ya, with my sailor parents and shiz
[10:06] <Kilos> you can drown there or get eaten 
[10:06] <Kilos> ah
[10:06] <Kilos> thats cool
[10:06] <Vince-0> used AndroIRC
[10:06] <Vince-0> so what's the objective of these meets?
[10:07] <Kilos> we have to have them to keep our staus
[10:07] <Kilos> status
[10:07] <Kilos> as part of ubuntu
[10:07] <Kilos> but i enjoy them as well
[10:08] <Vince-0> *looking at the site
[10:09] <Kilos> we got a re-approval coming up soon
[10:09] <Kilos> need to be re-approved every year
[10:09] <Vince-0> I want to do a regular google+ hangout regularly to get the LUG in Durban going
[10:09] <Kilos> and if we dont even have meets they will drop us
[10:10] <Kilos> try get some of them here too
[10:10] <Kilos> dunno where smileyborg went
[10:12] <Vince-0> Dunno, 
[10:12] <Vince-0> we actually both on the committee for the DBNLUG
[10:12] <Vince-0> I imagine recreating something like Linux Outlaws and publish on YouTube
[10:12] <Kilos> lol
[10:12] <Vince-0> cos once Smilyborg and I get chatting,ranting we can go on for hours
[10:14] <Squirm> good afternoon
[10:14] <Vince-0> so once I get a decent headset and webcam - its OON! I've started a discussion framework
[10:15] <Vince-0> Hi Squirm
[10:16] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[10:23] <Kilos> if you neglect ubuntu-za i gonna be cross
[10:23] <Kilos> ubuntu is the top linux distro
[10:24] <Kilos> lets keep it like that
[10:24] <Vince-0> meh
[10:25] <Vince-0> Canonical has questionable moves 
[10:26] <Vince-0> If you're a Free/Libre purist then hardly any distro will do - 
[10:26] <Vince-0> http://trisquel.info/ for the purists
[10:27] <Vince-0> doesn't contain any proprietary code whatsoever - so I guess it comes down to drivers
[10:27] <Vince-0> havn't tried it myself
[10:28] <Vince-0> Are you guys involved with your local LUGs? Jhb/pretoria ?
[10:28] <Kilos> ya man many of the guys here are using other distros and ubuntu flavours. the bit thing is to keep us part of the ubuntu community
[10:28] <Kilos> i have tinycorelinux as well
[10:29] <Vince-0> I've been listening to a few Richard Stallman interviews...
[10:33] <Kilos> and whats he have to say?
[10:33] <Kilos> dont give me a link
[10:34] <Vince-0> ow, let me see here
[10:34] <Kilos> listening to audio eats data
[10:34] <Vince-0> http://hackerpublicradio.org/eps.php?id=1116
[10:35] <Vince-0> dunno what the file download size is
[10:36] <Kilos> im reading there
[10:36] <Vince-0> RMS is the GNU creator
[10:36] <Vince-0> so the definition of Linux is that its just the kernel.
[10:36] <Vince-0> Ubuntu is technically a GNU/Linux distro because it uses the GNU userspace OS and Linux kernel
[10:37] <Vince-0> There is also a big difference between the Debian etc type distros and the BSD types with regard to licensing
[10:37] <Vince-0> BSD is doing away with all GPL code and their latest release does away with GCC compiler using GPL to a compiler using BSD license
[10:38] <Vince-0> purists! the world needs the extremists to push the envelope
[10:39] <Kilos> ubuntu was my escape from windows. and have enjoyed it for a few years now so will keep using it as long as possible
[10:40] <Kilos> go look at tinycorelinux
[10:40] <Kilos> thats kinda pure isnt it
[10:40] <Kilos> bit its like eating rice without gravy on
[10:40] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[10:41] <barrydk> Hi There
[10:41] <Kilos> welcome to ubunt-za
[10:41] <Vince-0> tinycore is GPLv2
[10:41] <Kilos> ubuntu is very lekker gravy
[10:41] <Vince-0> As far as GUIs go, you can strap em on any underlying distro
[10:41] <barrydk> Thanks i'm a newbie with ubuntu 
[10:42] <Vince-0> KDE is still the prettiest
[10:42] <Kilos> what can we help you with barrydk 
[10:42] <Kilos> we welcome newbies
[10:42] <Kilos> its one less for ms
[10:43] <Kilos> i like kde Vince-0 have it on second drive here
[10:43] <Kilos> but need unity as well to help noobs
[10:43] <barrydk> At the moment i got my setup working as i want it but from time to time you get some things you want to do and cant . But some help will be great at those times.
[10:43] <Vince-0> I have it as an alternative on this Ubuntu 12.10 install along with Cinnamon and LXDE
[10:44] <Kilos> barrydk, we are here to help
[10:44] <barrydk> Tanks will much appreciated.
[10:44] <Kilos> just at times it takes a while for someone to get time to help you as most are at work as well
[10:45] <Kilos> so when you need help. state what the problem is and be patient. someone will help you
[10:45] <Kilos> where are you barrydk 
[10:45] <barrydk> No problem, i've come pretty far hith foroms reading and uncle google
[10:46] <Kilos> good some say google is your friend
[10:46] <barrydk> That gy knows a lot. I'm near Cullinan
[10:47] <Kilos> oh thats near us pta peeps
[10:47] <barrydk> Yip only 35 kilos
[10:47] <Kilos> we got top ubuntu guys here
[10:48] <Kilos> even 2 in the developement side
[10:48] <Vince-0> 2 ubuntu devs?
[10:48] <Kilos> even though one has moved to the uk he still connects here
[10:48] <Kilos> the weed and um
[10:49] <Kilos> deegeee
[10:49] <barrydk> As i said will bother you sometimes for your knowledge.  
[10:49] <Kilos> drussel
[10:49] <Kilos> you welcome to just hang here too
[10:49] <Kilos> and listen to the nonsense that flows
[10:50] <Kilos> we sometimes talk health and farming and other stuff
[10:50] <barrydk> My problem is ram. If i find something interesting i must cling on to it otherwise i forget about it when i need it.
[10:50] <Kilos> haha me too
[10:51] <Kilos> make ubuntu-za as part of your daily connects
[10:51] <barrydk> Yes will do. 
[10:52] <Kilos> or come for coffee
[10:52] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[10:52]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[10:52] <Kilos> Maaz, with cremora
[10:52] <Maaz> Ah! At last someone with taste
[10:52] <Kilos> Maaz, and milk
[10:52] <Maaz> Now you're talking
[10:52] <barrydk> Where (was thinking on the same line)  are you in pta
[10:53] <Kilos> here with our cyber coffee maker
[10:53] <Kilos> im west of pta
[10:54] <barrydk> It's to hot for cofee, i only drink two cups per day. One to wake up and one before bed time. The rest of the day only coldrink and water
[10:55] <Kilos> lol
[10:55] <Kilos> what do you do?
[10:55] <barrydk> Talking noncense with you guys
[10:56] <Vince-0> Nice work with the ubuntu-za team there Kilos
[10:56] <Kilos> no man do you work and where
[10:56] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[10:56] <Kilos> ty Vince-0 
[10:56] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:56] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:56] <barrydk> No im working for dcs and living on a farm near Cullinan
[10:56] <Vince-0> What's your role in Ubuntu-za? Community organiser?
[10:56] <Kilos> hmm
[10:57] <Kilos> no role methinks Vince-0 
[10:57] <Kilos> im like the greeter bot
[10:57] <Vince-0> are there other people involved with organising?
[10:57] <Vince-0> do you interface with the LUG groups at all?
[10:57] <Kilos> organising what
[10:58] <Kilos> nope they too clever for me
[10:58] <Vince-0> ubuntu-za team - y'know making sure the group passes the audit
[10:58] <Kilos> but lots of the other guys are on #glug.za
[10:59] <Kilos> oh thats done by maiatoday  and everyone handy goes to support
[11:00] <Vince-0> ok kewl,
[11:00] <Vince-0> keen to make some notes on who's who in the ZA Linux community
[11:00] <Kilos> she will give us the date of the audit thing and we all go join that channel
[11:00] <Kilos> look at #glug.za and the clug
[11:01] <Vince-0> will do - 
[11:01] <Vince-0> need to leverage the activity to get some movement with the DBNlug
[11:01] <Kilos> whew a 500gB drive has 15 million clusters
[11:01] <Vince-0> glug is invite only
[11:02] <Kilos> join from here and im sure it will be sorted
[11:02] <Kilos> .       /j #glug.za
[11:02] <Vince-0> ./j #glug.za
[11:03] <Vince-0> gotcha
[11:03] <Kilos> lol if i start with a / then freenode doesnt print it here
[11:04] <Vince-0> Ok, so you're just an active community member
[11:05] <Kilos> kinda
[11:05] <Vince-0> need MOAR
[11:05] <Kilos> this is my home
[11:05] <Kilos> clug is active
[11:06] <Kilos> they cape peeps lead in the revolution
[11:06] <Vince-0> #clug.za ?
[11:06] <Kilos> im not sure
[11:06] <Kilos> lets try
[11:06] <Vince-0> not
[11:06] <Vince-0> I'm a former Capetonian 
[11:06] <Kilos> nope
[11:07] <Kilos> hey superfly how we get to clug
[11:07] <Vince-0> I want to get 'em all on a G+ hangout show- do you follow Linux Outlaws? 
[11:11] <Kilos> we have a g+ bit too
[11:11] <Kilos> inetpro, can tell you
[11:12] <Kilos> you can add us to your circles
[11:12] <Vince-0> whoa! yes please
[11:13] <Vince-0> found ubuntu-za
[11:16] <Kilos> and ubuntuza on twitter
[11:18] <Vince-0> gotcha
[11:18] <inetpro> hmm..
[11:18] <inetpro> we're not that active on g+
[11:19] <inetpro> I basically just created the page on g+ to refer back to our official home at http://ubuntu-za.org
[11:20] <inetpro> oh and I did post some of the meeting events on there
[11:20] <inetpro> not sure how many use that though... will have to check and post our next meeting details there
[11:21] <inetpro> as soon as I have time
[11:22] <Vince-0> I use it for my main social network - hangouts are the best
[11:23]  * inetpro still prefers irc to hang out on
[11:24]  * Kilos agrees
[11:24] <Kilos> g+ eats data
[11:24] <inetpro> video uses way to much precious bandwidth
[11:26] <inetpro> Vince-0: but this channel is not a LUG
[11:27] <Vince-0> true
[11:27] <Kilos> we are a community help channel
[11:27] <Vince-0> uncapped adsl!
[11:27] <Kilos> lol i wish
[11:27] <Kilos> 3g
[11:28]  * inetpro was on ADSL long long ago
[11:28] <inetpro> until they stole me cables
[11:29] <inetpro> and Telkom refused to lay more cables
[11:30] <Kilos> our overhead lines went same way
[11:30] <Kilos> to the copper merchants
[11:30] <Kilos> power lines too
[11:31] <Kilos> oh ya inetpro no power again tomorrow
[11:31] <inetpro> Kilos: ai
[11:31] <Kilos> so say morning before 8 am
[11:31] <inetpro> sjoe, I try
[11:31] <Kilos> lol
[11:31] <Kilos> np
[11:32] <superfly> Kilos: #clug on atrum
[11:32] <Kilos> ty superfly 
[11:32] <Kilos> Vince-0, ^^
[11:32] <Vince-0> ty superfly
[11:38] <maiatoday> Kilos, our re-approval date is 2012-12-05 00:00:00
[11:38] <maiatoday> I am going to go ahead and start the process of making the wiki page
[11:39] <maiatoday> I will also send and email to the list
[11:39] <maiatoday> This is soon
[11:40] <Kilos> ty maiatoday 
[11:40] <maiatoday> If anybody has any ideas of what should go in there, watch the list or here, I'll put the links and the exact dates for the re-approval meeting up
[12:06] <Kilos> looks like steven has given up on us
[12:06] <Kilos> sigh
[12:24] <superfly> haters gonna hate :-P
[12:24] <Kilos> ?
[12:25] <Kilos> who hates who?
[12:36] <Symmetria> http://idc-g.com/downloads/IDC-G_Newsletter04_Fall:Winter2012.pdf
[12:36] <Symmetria> :)
[12:41] <Kilos> hmm you busy hey
[12:44] <Symmetria> Kilos, extremely :(
[12:44] <Symmetria> I was in tanzania last week
[12:45] <Kilos> busy is good. keep you outa trouble
[12:56] <Kilos> kom groot reen
[12:57] <Kilos> inetpro, wake up and call the rain
[12:57] <inetpro> eish Kilos, dis warm?
[12:58] <Kilos> yip its gotta rain. air feels moist though so maybe we lucky
[12:58] <Kilos> leeker innie son maar nie vit lank nie
[12:58] <inetpro> ek wonder
[12:58] <Kilos> lekker
[12:59] <Kilos> kan net bietjie bietie vat
[12:59] <inetpro> superfly: why you say that?
[12:59] <superfly> inetpro: I'm just quoting an oft-said meme
[13:00] <superfly> which is often said when someone doesn't like something that you're doing
[13:00] <inetpro> superfly: what happened?
[13:00] <Kilos> ai
[13:00] <superfly> inetpro: Kilos said, "looks like steven has given up on us"
[13:01] <inetpro> hmm... 
[13:01] <Kilos> oh my. does he hate us?
[13:01] <Kilos> who did what to him
[13:01] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not saying he does... I don't even know who or what you're talking about
[13:01] <superfly> eish mense...
[13:02] <Kilos> sflr
[13:02] <inetpro> lol
[13:02] <Kilos> and poor neil struggling with their loco
[13:02] <Kilos> sigh
[13:03] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't think he (sflr) abandoned ubuntu yet
[13:03] <Kilos> lets hope
[13:03] <Kilos> Maaz, seen sflr
[13:03] <Maaz> Kilos: sflr was last seen 2 months, 7 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes and 27 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2012-09-14 01:30:09 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2012-09-14 01:41:39 PDT
[13:03] <Kilos> thats a bad sign
[13:04] <Kilos> anyone installed win7 yet it be super slow here
[13:12] <Kilos> so lekker installing windows when it isnt going on your own drive
[13:13] <Symmetria> *shrug* I run win7 on at least 2 machines, with no issues
[13:13] <Kilos> whew
[13:13] <Kilos> sympathies
[13:14] <Symmetria> heh, seriously, for what I use it for, *shrug* no problems, I believe in using whatever tool suits the job Im doing with it
[13:14] <Symmetria> which is why I run ubuntu servers
[13:14] <Kilos> i installed it here in virualbox
[13:14] <Symmetria> and prefer to run osx desktops
[13:14] <Kilos> ended up with a clean install of 12.04
[13:15] <Symmetria> heh kilos I dunno how well it works in virtualization environments like that, I have 2 dedicated machines for windows, and both of them are pretty high end systems
[13:15] <Symmetria> (one of which is specced out for gaming)
[13:15] <Kilos> im doing it for my son Symmetria he aint got time
[13:15] <Kilos> ah gaming machines be kiff
[13:15] <Kilos> nice and fast
[13:16] <Symmetria> heh yeah, this machine is kinda, insanely specced
[13:16] <Kilos> i got an older one that the whole pc crashe to try fix
[13:16] <Kilos> need to get one of them express graphics cards for it 
[13:16] <Kilos> grrr
[13:16] <Symmetria> I have a 6 core cpu, 64gigs of ram, solid state drives and a nvidia 690 video card in it 
[13:16] <Symmetria> lol
[13:17] <Kilos> is that your gaming machine? the 40k one?
[13:17] <Symmetria> yeah :p
[13:17] <Kilos> you aint got time for gaming
[13:17] <Symmetria> well, gaming among other things :) hehe I use it for virtualization as well
[13:17] <Kilos> ah
[13:17] <Symmetria> but if Im playing games, its always on this machine :p
[13:18] <Kilos> no wonder, sounds like a dream
[13:20] <Kilos> if you leave it to me in your willi might make another 30 years
[13:21] <Kilos> hehe gaming at 90
[13:21] <Symmetria> lol
[13:31] <Kilos> lo mazal wb
[13:31] <mazal> Mirrag oom
[13:31]  * mazal gou 'n koffie dan moet ek aan die werk kom
[13:32] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:33] <mazal> Hmm , strykwerk :(
[13:33] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:33]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[13:33] <Kilos> ai dis lelik
[13:33] <Kilos> kry wash and wear klere
[13:34] <mazal> Dit sou 'n bargain wees :)
[13:34] <mazal> Ek's bly om te hoor my maaitjie was hier
[13:34] <mazal> My mede strydos :)
[13:35] <Kilos> lol 
[13:35] <Kilos> lang fight for vensters gaan dooi
[13:35] <Kilos> voor
[13:36] <Kilos> maar elke dag beter
[13:36] <mazal> Die goed het ons weer gedaan gehad vandag , maar ons mag niks verander nie. Moet dit gebruik
[13:36] <mazal> Behalwe natuurlik ons eie servers wat ons nou al gebou het
[13:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:37] <Kilos> dis die probleem. was praat van die hele regering gaan linux toe so jaar of so terug
[13:37] <Kilos> maar hulle nie haastig nie
[13:37] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[13:37] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[13:37] <mazal> Het nou al 3 van hulle. Call logging registers , ip registers , asset registers , backups , av updates. Alles gebruik ons ubuntu servers voor en niemand kan niks daaroor seg nie
[13:37] <Kilos> mooi
[13:38] <mazal> En dis ook die enigste servers wat altyd werk
[13:38] <Kilos> dis n goeie begin
[13:38] <mazal> Is net af as die krag af is
[13:38] <mazal> Die ms sql servers en mail servers , van hulle praat ek eerder nie
[13:38] <Kilos> please wait while windows live is installed
[13:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:39] <mazal> Koffie klaar , ek moet loop werk
[13:39] <Kilos> mooi loop
[13:39] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[13:40]  * drussell waves to Kilos
[13:40] <Kilos> at least win7 installed where xp couldnt
[13:44] <Kilos> lo TaraLS 
[13:44] <TaraLS> Sup.
[13:44] <TaraLS> No kbmonkey, darn.
[13:44] <Kilos> just installed win7 on ians drive
[13:44] <Kilos> very hot here
[13:45] <TaraLS> Eeeh
[13:45] <Kilos> he normally only makes it weekends . work wont allow then on the net
[13:45] <Kilos> 36°c
[13:46] <Kilos> what progress have you made
[13:47] <TaraLS> So my comp has been on for about 21 hours in Live Ubuntu (running from USB), and it hasn't frozen once. I even left a Youtube video paused for an hour while I went to the shop (which meant that my comp went into 'screensaver mode'), and I managed to pause/resume/pause/resume several times, AND I was able to convert two videos from Youtube to MPEG4 on VLC.
[13:47] <TaraLS> No freezes.
[13:47] <Kilos> ah that sounds good
[13:47] <TaraLS> Well, I have no idea what it means.
[13:48] <TaraLS> Why does it not freeze on Live Ubuntu? Does that just mean that an actual install of an OS is taxing the hardware?
[13:48] <Kilos> it means that it software that gets sicker when upgraded
[13:48] <TaraLS> Which really doesn't leave us any closer to anything.
[13:48] <TaraLS> Are you sure?
[13:48] <Kilos> yes now we can look in software
[13:48]  * TaraLS waves to magespawn.
[13:48] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Okay. brb
[13:48] <Kilos> maybe something clashing 
[13:49] <Symmetria> hrm, I'm really impressed by how many major international tech companies are finally waking up and investing in this continent
[13:51] <Kilos> whew i dont know what to google for tumbleweed 
[13:51] <Kilos> taras pc fine from live cd but hands when streaming youtube from drive
[13:53] <Kilos> hangs
[13:56] <mazal> bad hdd ?
[13:56] <TaraLS> I did a HDD test using Disk Checker in Ubuntu, and it said it was fine.
[13:56] <TaraLS> "Status: Ok" or something.
[13:56] <TaraLS> Btw, what happens when you want to make your HDD space bigger? Do you get a completely new HDD, or can you upgrade your old one?
[13:57] <TaraLS> Cuz mine was about 180G or something, and the person who reformatted my comp twice gave me 1T.
[13:58] <mazal> Tara if you can and have the means , try and do an install to an external and run from that and see what happens. To try and rule out your hdd and m/board interface to the hdd
[13:59] <TaraLS> The one COMP I have access to is the 225mb of RAM one, and that has XP - and I NEED it to have XP so I can use my tablet.
[13:59] <TaraLS> The one comp aside from mine (this one), I mean.
[13:59] <TaraLS> That comp, annoyingly, has never had any issues.
[14:04] <Kilos> mazal, normally ubuntu gives you early warning if there is the slightest probs with a drive
[14:04] <Kilos> puts a little icon in the top bar/panel
[14:04] <Kilos> that thing
[14:05] <Kilos> ive seen it often repairing old crashed drives
[14:05] <Kilos> it shows up on drives that xp installs on with no prob
[14:06] <mazal> Is it just with youtube or in general that it freezes ?
[14:08] <TaraLS> Youtube is what I know for a fact freezes it, so I use Youtube to test if the comp is STILL Freezing.
[14:08] <TaraLS> Otherwise, when I had XP and my programs installed, Windows Movie Maker froze it, and my recording programs Avid Pro Tools SE, Cakewalk Home Studio 2002, and my screensaver froze it, and my antivirus Kaspersky froze it.
[14:10] <TaraLS> I managed to greatly reduce the freezing on XP by disabling my screensaver and antivirus
[14:10] <TaraLS> And by using Windows stuff instead of other stuff (Such as I.E instead of Firefox)
[14:10] <mazal> If you play a movie from the hdd , or a dvd from the rom ? What heppens ?
[14:10] <TaraLS> But it DID still freeze and bluescreen
[14:10] <TaraLS> mazal:  It's perfectly fine. It doesn't freeze. 
[14:11] <TaraLS> I haven't played a DVD in a while, but I've played several movies from HDD, and they never freeze.
[14:11] <mazal> Have you tried a different browser ?
[14:11] <TaraLS> Though, one froze today. I believe, however, that it's because I had a streamed video conversion paused in VLC.
[14:11] <TaraLS> mazal:  It's not browser related.
[14:12] <TaraLS> I've used three different browsers over the course of the last several months
[14:12] <TaraLS> I.E, Firefox, and Chrome.
[14:12] <TaraLS> Does anyone know if Kbmonkey will be around today?
[14:12] <TaraLS> He's really the one I want to tell this to. It was his suggestion to try freeze the comp from Live.
[14:12] <TaraLS> Maybe he had a thought going.
[14:12] <mazal> So in ubuntu it is only the youtube that freezes it ?
[14:13] <TaraLS> mazal:  Well, partially, because Ubuntu doesn't have Windows MOvie Maker, and I haven't installed my programs because I want to fix the comp first.
[14:13] <TaraLS> My comp has also frozen when I've searched for things in Dash
[14:13] <TaraLS> I think it would be fair to say 'streaming video', not necessarily Youtube specifically.
[14:14] <TaraLS> Though I haven't tried other sites.
[14:15] <mazal> This is a tough one , anything from power supply to ram to cpu would show up in live as well
[14:15] <TaraLS> RAM is fine, I think.
[14:15] <TaraLS> I've taken one out and used the other, and vice versa, and the comp still freezes.
[14:15] <TaraLS> Using each.
[14:15] <TaraLS> Not sure. What is different between an installed OS and just running a Live OS?
[14:16] <TaraLS> Even though I've got Ubuntu installed on my comp, so it's still there on the HDD, running Live Ubuntu the comp did not freeze.
[14:16] <mazal> But , the thing that does point to hardware is the fact that both Windoze and Ubuntu does it
[14:16] <TaraLS> Still has not.
[14:16] <TaraLS> mazal: Yeah.
[14:17] <mazal> What's the biggest file you have ?
[14:18] <mazal> On your hdd
[14:18] <TaraLS> Urh.
[14:18] <TaraLS> Probably one of these Videos I converted earlier
[14:18] <mazal> Do you have something say in the 4gig range ?
[14:18] <TaraLS> Because of my comp issues, I didn't put any of my saved files onto the HDD.
[14:18] <TaraLS> mazal:  Nope.
[14:18] <TaraLS> mazal:  My music program, Avid Pro Tools SE, was 7 gigs.
[14:18] <mazal> How big are those videos you have ?
[14:18] <TaraLS> That probably won't install on Ubuntu either.
[14:18] <TaraLS> mazal:  One sec. I will check.
[14:19] <TaraLS> One is 1gig
[14:19] <TaraLS> The other around the 400mb range
[14:19] <mazal> Can you test something please ?
[14:19] <TaraLS> mazal:  Sure.
[14:19] <mazal> They are on external yes ?
[14:19] <TaraLS> mazal: No. I saved them to my HDD
[14:19] <TaraLS> To my current Ubuntu install
[14:20] <TaraLS> +ation.
[14:21] <mazal> I still would like to rule out the drive's interface. So if you want to , boot with the live cd , then select a heap of those video file on your hdd and copy them to a temp folder on the same hdd. I would just like to hear what heppens if that drive and the interface works hard in live
[14:22] <mazal> Is up to you if you want to
[14:22] <TaraLS> mazal:  What exactly are you saying? 
[14:22] <TaraLS> mazal:  You want me to put a bunch of video files onto the LIVE 'HDD' of Ubuntu, not my current install?
[14:22] <mazal> I want your hdd to work hard while booted with the live cd
[14:22] <TaraLS> mazal:  Every time I restart 'live', though, everything resets.
[14:23] <TaraLS> mazal:  I need to reinstall flash and such again.
[14:23] <mazal> No you can access your hdd while in live
[14:23] <TaraLS> So you're talking about my current installation of Ubuntu. You want me to run live whilst my current installation has lots of videos in the HDD?
[14:23] <mazal> Just click on home in dash , you will see it there top left but it won't be mounted
[14:23] <TaraLS> I don't know what good this test will do. My HDD has been near empty for ages.
[14:23] <mazal> You click on it and it will mount
[14:23] <TaraLS> And it still freezes/etc
[14:24] <TaraLS> Okay. Let me see.
[14:24] <mazal> I want to rule out the interface as well
[14:24] <TaraLS> It's saying that all my partitions are mounted already.
[14:24] <mazal> Are you in live now ?
[14:24] <TaraLS> Yes.
[14:25] <TaraLS> mazal:  What do you mean by interface?
[14:25] <mazal> The hdd ports on the m/board
[14:25] <TaraLS> mazal:  Er. What about them?
[14:25] <mazal> That's what I want to test
[14:25] <mazal> Because they can get faulty too
[14:26] <TaraLS> Okay.
[14:26] <mazal> Because they are not working while in live you see
[14:26] <TaraLS> Why not? Wouldn't they be working if all my HDD is mounted?
[14:26] <mazal> And we need to find out why live is working and when working from the hdd it freezes
[14:26] <TaraLS> Yes.
[14:26] <mazal> No it's just idling in live
[14:26] <mazal> You not using it
[14:26] <TaraLS> Ah, okay.
[14:27] <TaraLS> Now, no one answered my question before.
[14:27] <mazal> That's why I want you to copy a heap of data around on it so it works on live
[14:28] <mazal> And the bigger the data the better , is there is a problem on the ports it should then give you trouble while doing a big copy
[14:28] <mazal> Is just to make sure TaraLS 
[14:28] <TaraLS> mazal:  Okay, I get it, but can you just answer my question first? Just because I'm unclear about something.
[14:28] <mazal> With this type of problem you have to rule out everything one can think of
[14:28] <mazal> What Q was that ?
[14:28] <TaraLS> mazal:  My question was.... My friend gave me extra hard drive space. Does that mean I've got a new hdd altogether with more space, or did he add onto my ORIGINAL Hdd?
[14:29] <mazal> New hdd
[14:29] <mazal> You can't add on
[14:29] <TaraLS> mazal: I didn't think so, but wanted to be sure.
[14:29] <TaraLS> mazal:  But the HDD PORTS will still be the same, yes?
[14:29] <mazal> UNLESS your hdd was already 1tb but only 180gig was patitioned
[14:29] <TaraLS> Nope.
[14:29] <mazal> Same ports yes
[14:29] <TaraLS> Okay. So you want me to copy a bunch of files to -where-, exactly?
[14:30] <mazal> Wait a minute
[14:30] <mazal> Did this start immediately after you got the new drive ?
[14:30] <TaraLS> No. I've had it for months now.
[14:30] <mazal> On the previous drive as well
[14:31] <TaraLS> Yes, that's why I wanted to rule out if it was the same HDD or a different one when upgrading size.
[14:31] <TaraLS> Because that kind of rules out the HDD.
[14:31] <mazal> Defnitely rules out the hdd
[14:31] <TaraLS> First time I remember having a problem was a blue screen with XP, and it happened immediately as I pulled out two flash drives at the same time without unmounting them.
[14:31] <mazal> But not the ports hehehehe
[14:31] <TaraLS> mazal:  lol
[14:32] <mazal> Just create a temp folder on your hdd and call it whatever you like. Them copy a heap of those videos files to it. Later you can delete them from that temp folder
[14:32] <TaraLS> mazal:  Can I put it on the desktop?
[14:33] <mazal> No , the desktop is on the cd currently
[14:33] <TaraLS> mazal:  But the desktop will be wiped when I restart in live.
[14:33] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yeah.
[14:33] <TaraLS> mazal:  Well, it's USB.
[14:33] <TaraLS> mazal:  Okay, so... Am I putting it on live, or on my proper Ubuntu-installed HDD?
[14:33] <mazal> In live mode
[14:34] <mazal> Or you know what
[14:34] <TaraLS> So how do I avoid going into folders that are on my HDD? I'm still a bit new about all that
[14:34] <TaraLS> (I've only had Ubuntu for twoish weeks. Less than)
[14:34] <TaraLS> What?
[14:34] <mazal> There is batter plan
[14:34] <TaraLS> Go for it
[14:34] <mazal> Actually open one of those videos that is on your hdd and let it play
[14:34] <mazal> That will let the video come from the hdd and not the net
[14:35] <TaraLS> Which will therefore be using the ports?
[14:35] <mazal> Yep
[14:35] <TaraLS> But isn't that the same as using it whilst in normal Ubuntu-installed mode?
[14:35] <TaraLS> Or is it different because we're relying on the ports to transfer the video from the HDD to live?
[14:35] <TaraLS> (essentially)
[14:36] <mazal> Oh ya , you said they play fine
[14:36] <TaraLS> lol yeah.
[14:36] <mazal> Forgot that part sorry
[14:36] <TaraLS> No problem.
[14:36] <mazal> Ag no , square one
[14:37] <TaraLS> Haha
[14:37] <TaraLS> Yeaaaaah.
[14:37] <TaraLS> Thanks for your help, though. :)
[14:37] <mazal> Must be hardware , but this whole live thing that works keeps messing with that theory
[14:40] <TaraLS> HMMM
[14:40] <TaraLS> It boggles.
[14:42] <TaraLS> I need kbmonkey. It was his suggestion to run Live and see what happened. I have no idea where he was going with that.
[14:42] <mazal> The thing that bothers me with "it might be software" is that Ubuntu and XP doesn't use the same software
[14:42] <TaraLS> Or where he was thinking of going from here.
[14:42] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yeah, that's really the only thing.
[14:42] <mazal> So if one thinks that it might have been an ubuntu update that broke it , then XP should have worked fine
[14:43] <TaraLS> mazal:  But they DO use the same hardware. Even so, the comp works fine in LIVE, but freezes in INSTALLED Ubuntu.
[14:43] <mazal> And visa versa
[14:43] <TaraLS> mazal:  I'm not thinking it was an Ubuntu update. It's not 'broken' because it was never fixed to begin with.
[14:43] <mazal> Therefore it must be hardware related if my logic is ok
[14:43] <TaraLS> Which leads me back to my OTHER question
[14:43] <mazal> But then along comes the live cd that uses the same hardware and works
[14:44] <TaraLS> mazal:  How is hardware used on an Installation of Ubuntu, versus just the Live version? And wouldn't it make a difference that Ubuntu is installed at all? Even though I'm not using the Installed Ubuntu?
[14:44] <TaraLS> It's very boggling.
[14:45] <mazal> Good point, and points back to the biggest difference between the two , the HDD
[14:46] <TaraLS> But that's eliminated, because I had a different HDD with XP and it had the same problems
[14:46] <mazal> You did plug in all the same peripherals (usb and lpt) devices in Live as you had in the install ?
[14:46] <TaraLS> And if it was my USB ports, I'd still be freezing even in LIVE because I'm using my USB keyboard/mouse AND the USB Live Ubuntu.
[14:46] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yes. I haven't unplugged anything.
[14:47] <mazal> Rules out 3rd party hardware
[14:47] <mazal> ish
[14:47] <TaraLS> No ISH about it.
[14:47] <TaraLS> If it was USB, I should be freezing in Live.
[14:47] <TaraLS> I'm using USB right now. The LIVE disc itself is a USB flash drive.
[14:47] <mazal> Another difference I can think of is that in live one doesn't install video drivers
[14:47] <TaraLS> The keyboard/mouse is one USB thing, because they're wireless. The USB thing plugged in is the receiver for them.
[14:47] <mazal> Did you install video drivers in your actual ubuntu install ?
[14:48] <TaraLS> mazal:  I dunno. Apparently Ubuntu does everything when you install it. *shrug*
[14:48] <mazal> That means no
[14:48] <TaraLS> I was told that I didn't need to bother installing drivers because Ubuntu does it.
[14:48] <mazal> You have to go to "additional drivers" to install them in ubuntu
[14:48] <TaraLS> I think I did that, actually.
[14:48] <mazal> I actually hoped you did as that would have been something else to test
[14:49] <TaraLS> Kilos:  You quiet.
[14:49] <mazal> Cos that is a defnite difference between live and install
[14:49] <Kilos> reading and cooking
[14:49] <mazal> And it is video related
[14:49] <Kilos> she installed nvidia 173 methinks mazal 
[14:49] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Oyes.
[14:49] <mazal> Tara do this one test then
[14:50] <mazal> Boot up your install and revert to novue
[14:50] <mazal> Let's wee what happens
[14:50] <TaraLS> mazal:  I installed 173, and then after that, I installed 'additional drivers'. But BEFORE 173, I installed "current driver" per suggestion of another xchat peep.
[14:50] <TaraLS> What the heck is novue?
[14:50] <Kilos> you need to explain nicely how mazal 
[14:50] <mazal> You are one 12.10 yes ?
[14:50] <superfly> Nouveau
[14:50] <TaraLS> Kilos:  ......
[14:50] <superfly> they are the open source nvidia drivers
[14:50] <mazal> I think you are on 12.10
[14:51] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yep, I am.
[14:51] <TaraLS> superfly:  Hi Supahflahhh.
[14:51] <mazal> Ok , you need to go to software sources
[14:51] <TaraLS> mazal:  How do I get there? Software Center?
[14:51] <Kilos> it froze before 173 was installed
[14:51] <mazal> Then at the top tabs go to additional drivers
[14:51] <mazal> Ag nee man !!!
[14:51] <TaraLS> Hahaha
[14:51] <mazal> There goes that test as well
[14:51] <TaraLS> rofl
[14:51] <TaraLS> Sorry.
[14:51] <TaraLS> It sucks, I know. Very frustrating.
[14:51] <superfly> TaraLS: hello TaraLeeeeeeeeeeeee
[14:52] <Kilos> thats why we did additional drivers
[14:52] <Kilos> lol @ superfly 
[14:52] <mazal> o.........k
[14:52] <mazal> Shees , what else differs from live and install ?
[14:52] <Kilos> lots
[14:53] <Kilos> all the update/upgrades
[14:53] <Kilos> 450 updates
[14:53] <TaraLS> mazal: One of my XP blue screens was 'nvd4.exe' or something.... and I updated the nvidia driver and didn't get that blue screen again, but still got freezing and other blue screens.
[14:53] <mazal> Software it is not
[14:53] <mazal> Kilos if it was updates then only ubuntu would do it
[14:53] <TaraLS> mazal: And one of my blue screens in XP was due to the ethernet card 'rltk.exe' or some such... So I updated THAT, and didn't get that blue screen again, but comp was STILL freezing.
[14:54] <TaraLS> This might seem stupid, but.... Is there a way that updates could annoy hardware if the hardware is set to something DIFFERENT from the update, in the BIOS?
[14:54] <superfly> TaraLS: you can try the experimental nVidia drivers, dunno if that'll make a difference
[14:55] <TaraLS> Also, before we talk more about the nvidia drivers...
[14:55] <TaraLS> I took out the graphics card and used the onboard one, and the comp still froze.
[14:55] <TaraLS> So I don't think it's that.
[14:55] <mazal> Tara driver updates can defnitely make hardware malfunction. It does happen sometimes
[14:55] <superfly> TaraLS: what is your onboard card?
[14:55] <TaraLS> superfly:  I dunno. How do I check what it is?
[14:56] <superfly> lspci should show it
[14:56] <superfly> (from the terminal)
[14:56] <TaraLS> Error mounting /dev/fd0 at /media/ubuntu/disk: Command-line `mount -t "auto" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid" "/dev/fd0" "/media/ubuntu/disk"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock
[14:56] <TaraLS> Stupid piece of kak computer. I DON'T HAVE A FLOPPY DRIVE.
[14:56] <TaraLS> How do I turn this off? What if all my problems are this STUPID virtual floppy drive?
[14:57] <superfly> TaraLS: a setting in your bios?
[14:57] <TaraLS> superfly:  I already disabled it.
[14:57] <TaraLS> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1372570/
[14:57] <superfly> mkay
[14:59] <superfly> TaraLS: your graphics card is not plugged in at the moment, am I right?
[14:59] <TaraLS> superfly:  It is. My Nvidia one. Unity interface actually doesn't work with the onboard one.
[15:00] <TaraLS> superfly:  It's #12 on that pastebin. 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G96 [GeForce 9500 GT] (rev a1)
[15:00] <superfly> oh... Hrm
[15:00] <mazal> Is see it's also a 9000 GT range card
[15:01] <superfly> I'll hazard a guess that your built in card is an Intel
[15:01] <mazal> I don't know if it's relevant , but remember the major issues I had with mine on 12.10 ?
[15:01] <Kilos> TaraLS, do you hear the bloep when your nick is mentioned
[15:01] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Yep.
[15:01] <Kilos> now you know what i meant inna blog
[15:01] <Kilos> hehe
[15:01] <TaraLS> Kilos:  What blog?
[15:01] <Kilos> dunno what else to call it
[15:01] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Oh riiiiight.
[15:02] <TaraLS> Kilos:  It essentially is a bloep, yeah. Though it sounds more like a... 'tep'. lol
[15:02] <Kilos> whew
[15:03] <TaraLS> mazal:  What issues did you have with your card?
[15:03] <Kilos> its a bloep
[15:03] <TaraLS> mazal:  And since Live works with my card (which is obvious, since the Unity interface is working), why would it work on the HDD and not here in Live?
[15:03] <mazal> And you ruled it out by unplugging it anyway
[15:03] <TaraLS> Kilos:  lol okay. I'm not gonna argue about a little blip sound with you. :P
[15:03] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yeah. Essentially.
[15:04] <mazal> Tara I had major performance issues as well as a broken desktop
[15:04] <TaraLS> mazal:  I wish I had thought to unplug it when I had XP. Because maybe XP interface works fine with onboard graphics, unlike Unity.
[15:04] <superfly> TaraLS: Live is either using the nouveau drivers if you are using the nvidia, or the Intel drivers
[15:05] <superfly> XP doesn't know the meaning of 3D (or compositing)
[15:05] <TaraLS> superfly:  Well, it wouldn't use the onboard ones. because I can see the Unity interface. When I' musing just the onboard graphics, the little taskbar with the icons disappears, as well as the bar at the top with the x, =, minimize, and the clock etc
[15:05] <TaraLS> -*
[15:06] <TaraLS> Why would I have a problem out of the blue with my graphics card, anyway?
[15:06] <TaraLS> A problem that wasn't solved by updating drivers?
[15:07] <superfly> Often mutiple versions of drivers have the same bug in them
[15:07] <superfly> I had that with 12.04
[15:07] <TaraLS> superfly: Well, I didn't update the driver to cause my problems to start. So that means that the driver it came with must have got a bug itself?
[15:07] <superfly> I had to install the experimental drivers from nVidia
[15:08] <superfly> TaraLS: possibly
[15:08] <TaraLS> superfly:  How?
[15:10] <superfly> TaraLS: how do the drivers come complete with bugs, or how did I upgrade to experimental?
[15:10] <TaraLS> superfly:  Nonono.
[15:10] <TaraLS> superfly: I haven't had problems since I had my computer.
[15:10] <TaraLS> superfly:  I've had my computer for three years. My problems started roughly eightish months ago when I pulled out two mounted flash drives at the same time (resulting in a blue screen).
[15:11] <TaraLS> superfly: That means that, for two years and fourish months, my graphics card was fine.
[15:11] <TaraLS> superfly: What would make it suddenly unfine, if I didn't download the latest drivers for it?
[15:12] <superfly> TaraLS: well, my current pc has a weird problem where my usb system falls over... Not sure why. I have to get my PS2 keyboard and restart my pc
[15:13] <TaraLS> It 'falls over'?
[15:13] <superfly> TaraLS: yes, the usb driver seems to crash.
[15:13] <TaraLS> superfly:  Oh. What happens when it crashes?
[15:15] <superfly> My keyboard and mouse stop working
[15:15] <superfly> and any other usb device.
[15:16] <TaraLS> Ahh, right.
[15:16] <superfly> Everything else works fine. If I didn't have a USB keyboard and mouse I likely wouldn't even know about it.
[15:16] <TaraLS> Does Ubuntu Live come with its own temporary drivers that it uses over the drivers on the HDD?
[15:17] <superfly> (I'd like to see Windows do that)
[15:17]  * TaraLS rofls.
[15:17] <superfly> TaraLS: yup
[15:17] <TaraLS> superfly:  So maybe it IS a driver issue? But WHICH ONE?
[15:17]  * TaraLS hyperventilates.
[15:17] <TaraLS> Cuz even though I've used two different OSs, they still have the same drivers because I've still got the same hardware.
[15:18] <TaraLS> How do I roll back all driver updates on Ubuntu?
[15:18] <superfly> TaraLS: you still have Ubuntu on the PC?
[15:18] <TaraLS> superfly:  Yes. 
[15:19] <TaraLS> superfly:  I'm running Live from my USB flash drive. Ubuntu is still installed on my PC, but I'm using Live at present.
[15:19] <TaraLS> Live has been on for at least 24 hours straight now, and no freezes. Not with watching Youtube, or letting the comp idle/go into screensaver, or converting video from URL to MPEG4 in VLC... nothing. It's running fine.
[15:19] <superfly> hrm. If indeed it is a driver issue, you can try installing either the experimental nVidia drivers, or nouveau as mazal suggested
[15:20] <TaraLS> What if it's not graphics-related?
[15:20] <TaraLS> And what exactly ARE the 'experimental nVidia drivers'? Why are they experimental? What are they testing?
[15:21] <TaraLS> Could it be my internet cable?
[15:21] <TaraLS> Into my ethernet?
[15:21] <mazal> Nope
[15:21] <superfly> I don't know what it would be otherwise, cause otherwise your PC would still be falling over
[15:21] <mazal> You using it in live also
[15:21] <TaraLS> I have the internet connection wireless on a USB thing. Should I try that?
[15:21] <TaraLS> mazal:  Right... Darn.
[15:21] <mazal> hehehe
[15:21] <TaraLS> mazal:  lol.
[15:21] <mazal> It must be something not used during live
[15:21] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yeah... but WHAT?
[15:22]  * TaraLS is so frustratedddd.
[15:22] <TaraLS> My nVidia HAS to be used during Live, otherwise the Unity interface would not work.
[15:22] <mazal> Sounds to me you guys tested about everything already
[15:22] <mazal> BUT
[15:22] <superfly> TaraLS: the experimental drivers are an early release of the next version
[15:22] <superfly> or, use nouveau
[15:23] <TaraLS> So nouveau is for onboard?
[15:23] <mazal> Press and hold the windows key for me Tara and see if the window with the shortcut keys come up
[15:23] <TaraLS> But that still doesn't rule out why the nVidia works in Live, if it is apparently freezing HDD-Ubuntu.
[15:23] <superfly> TaraLS: try running this: sudo modprobe -l
[15:23] <TaraLS> Are either of these things, superfly and mazal, going to take me to a window where I need to type another command to get back?
[15:24] <mazal> Tara that key press won't take you away
[15:24] <superfly> TaraLS: no, you can type mine in the terminal
[15:24] <TaraLS> mazal:  Oyes. The windows key does bring up a list of commands.
[15:24] <mazal> Just want to know if a window with shortcuts is displayed now when you hold the windows button
[15:25] <TaraLS> Shortcuts, I mean.
[15:25] <mazal> Tara that means that your live session is indeed running in Unity 3d mode
[15:25] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yeah. So, it's not my graphics card.
[15:25] <superfly> mazal: but it is most probably using the nouveau driver
[15:25] <TaraLS> But I could tell you already that it was - since I can see my Unity stuff--the sidebar with the icons, the clock, the minimize/etc
[15:25] <mazal> If it wasn't the shortcuts doesn't come up and only puts numbers on your shortcuts on the launcher
[15:25] <mazal> I agree superfly , novue
[15:26] <mazal> Tara you will see all of those in 2d as well
[15:26] <TaraLS> mazal:  No, I don't see them when I'm running my onboard graphics.
[15:26] <mazal> So , ten to 1 your live is running in 3d with novue drivers
[15:26] <mazal> BUT
[15:27] <TaraLS> superfly:  You want me to copy/pastebin aaaaall the stuff that comes up with that command?
[15:27] <mazal> When running novue on your install (like Kilos said) it also freezes
[15:27] <TaraLS> There's that stupid floppy disk error again. Good grief.
[15:27] <superfly> TaraLS: yes please
[15:27] <mazal> Back to square one
[15:27] <TaraLS> mazal:  lolol
[15:27] <mazal> UNLESS
[15:28] <mazal> Novue has an update that gets installed and causes it ?
[15:28] <TaraLS> mazal:  But then why did I have issues in XP?
[15:28] <TaraLS> mazal:  Is Nouveueueueueueuau (too many useless letters; stupid word) in XP too, or specific to Ubuntu?
[15:28] <mazal> **sigh** , yes , then there is that again
[15:28]  * superfly has to go
[15:28] <mazal> Then we are back at why did XP do it as well
[15:29] <TaraLS> superfly:  Eish. Have fun... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1372635/
[15:29] <TaraLS> GASP.
[15:29] <TaraLS> kernel/lib/cpu-notifier-error-inject.ko <-- What does this mean?
[15:30]  * mazal has to go for now also
[15:31] <TaraLS> :(
[15:31] <mazal> This whole thing has gotten me behind with all my work hehehehe
[15:31] <TaraLS> Oops
[15:31] <TaraLS> Well thanks very much for trying to help, mazal.
[15:31] <mazal> Sorry I couldn't help
[15:31] <mazal> Used up all my ideas :P
[15:31] <TaraLS> That's alright. Seems like no one can. My problem is so hideously... not normal.
[15:31] <mazal> A strange one for sure
[15:32] <mazal> Oom Kilos
[15:32] <mazal> You here ?
[15:32] <Kilos> sec just catching up here
[15:33] <Kilos> you peeps chat jong
[15:33] <mazal> I think oom Kilo's idea needs checking
[15:33] <mazal> Fresh install , no updates , nada , nothing
[15:33] <mazal> And see what happens
[15:33] <mazal> IF Tara has any strength left
[15:34] <mazal> And patience left :)
[15:34] <Kilos> im back
[15:34] <TaraLS> mazal:  Eurk....
[15:34] <mazal> hehehehe
[15:34] <Kilos> went for sheep
[15:34] <TaraLS> mazal:  Well... That's ESSENTIALLY what I was getting at - with wanting to rollback ALL updates.
[15:34] <TaraLS> I guess that's the only way to do it.
[15:34] <mazal> Can't rollback the updates
[15:34] <mazal> The video yes , but not all the others
[15:34] <TaraLS> You know
[15:34] <Kilos> tara the install will go smooth but you gotta be online with another pc or fone so i can tell what to do
[15:34] <TaraLS> The first time my comp was reformatted
[15:35] <TaraLS> It worked for a week
[15:35] <TaraLS> Without issues.
[15:35] <TaraLS> Granted, I didn't install anything, far as I know. And I can't remember if I watched Youtube or not.
[15:35] <Kilos> windows most likely had lotsa bugs on the hdd
[15:35] <mazal> And maybe rather 12.04 oom Kilos ? What you think. 12.10 by itself is a bit buggy
[15:35] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Can I just install Ubuntu itself, or do I have to redo the whole folders /spare/storage/etc thing again?
[15:35] <Kilos> 12.04 is good methinks
[15:35] <TaraLS> 12.10 is fine for me.
[15:35] <mazal> I think so. Tara if you willing it is worth a tray
[15:36] <TaraLS> Just... duh. My computer is freezing. lol
[15:36] <mazal> try even
[15:36] <Kilos> you just need to make sure they still named that TaraLS 
[15:36] <TaraLS> I really don't want to have redo all those folders.
[15:36] <mazal> Fresh install off 12.04.01
[15:36] <Kilos> and dont format  them
[15:36] <mazal> Then no updates at all
[15:36] <TaraLS> Wait wait
[15:36] <TaraLS> Why do I have to go to 12.04?
[15:36] <mazal> Just promise me one thing Tara
[15:36] <TaraLS> What?
[15:36] <Kilos> ubuntu dont work properly without the first updates
[15:36] <mazal> Because 12.10 is very buggy and have performance issues
[15:37] <TaraLS> mazal:  But I haven't had issues with 12.10
[15:37] <mazal> Tara , you don't kill me if it doesn't help :P
[15:37] <Kilos> 12.04 is older and most bugs been fixed
[15:37] <TaraLS> Oi
[15:37] <TaraLS> I think I will just wait for kbmonkey
[15:37] <mazal> Is an option that is up to you hehehehe
[15:37] <TaraLS> And see what he says about Live not freezing.
[15:37] <TaraLS> Since that was his suggestion.
[15:37] <TaraLS> I want to see what he has to say about that.
[15:37] <Kilos> psu?
[15:37] <mazal> IMO I won't use 12.10 with what I've experienced
[15:37] <Kilos> oh live put that out\
[15:38] <Kilos> or didnt it
[15:38] <Kilos> hdd was drawing less power
[15:38] <TaraLS> Before I do anything else requiring big changes (like a reinstall), I want to chat with kbmonkey.
[15:38] <Kilos> ok wait for him
[15:38] <mazal> ok :)
[15:38] <TaraLS> Okay. :)
[15:38] <Kilos> maybe till weekend
[15:38]  * TaraLS stress level averted.
[15:38] <mazal> We tried hehehehe
[15:38] <Kilos> will try mail him to find out when
[15:38] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Really? :( He's not on 'til weekend?
[15:38] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Okay.
[15:38] <TaraLS> Whew. It's such a peculiar issue.
[15:39] <Kilos> what did the monkey say TaraLS 
[15:39] <Kilos> run from live why?
[15:39] <mazal> Ok , nou moet ek rerig eers gaan
[15:39] <TaraLS> I can't recall. I think he just said "Try running from Live and see what happens"
[15:40] <TaraLS> We didn't go too much into it.
[15:40] <Kilos> mooi loop mazal 
[15:40] <TaraLS> I wasn't expecting Live to make a difference.
[15:40] <TaraLS> Which it has.
[15:40] <Kilos> dankie
[15:40] <mazal> Tara
[15:40] <Kilos> ty supahhflaahhh
[15:40] <TaraLS> mazal:  Yes?
[15:40] <Kilos> thingie
[15:40] <mazal> "Try re-install and see what happens"
[15:40] <TaraLS> Kilos:  lol
[15:40]  * mazal runs away
[15:40] <TaraLS> mazal:  lol, shush you.
[15:40] <TaraLS> mazal:  Just waiting is WAY less stressful than doing a fresh reinstall.
[15:40] <mazal> hehehehe sorry couldn't resist :)
[15:40] <TaraLS> Kilos:  With Kilos' help, bless his heart. :P
[15:40] <Kilos> hehe
[15:41] <mazal> Not with Ubuntu Tara
[15:41] <Kilos> you will see once used to it it works like a charm
[15:41] <TaraLS> mazal:  No, trust me. It's pretty stressful. 
[15:41]  * TaraLS ogles Kilos.
[15:41] <mazal> Like Kilos said , most of your partitions are not even gonna get formatted
[15:41] <Kilos> and you lose nothing
[15:41] <TaraLS> ANYHOO
[15:41] <mazal> Only / and /boot
[15:41] <TaraLS> As I said, I will wait for kbmonkey. :P
[15:41] <Kilos> ya
[15:41] <mazal> Hardekwas :)
[15:42] <TaraLS> Depending on where we get, then maybe I will do a fresh reinstall.
[15:42] <Kilos> but in 12.02 you still have to just tell it what to call them
[15:42] <Kilos> lol @ mazal 
[15:42] <TaraLS> Besides
[15:42] <Kilos> baie
[15:42] <TaraLS> Switching to 12.04 is not going to solve the freezing issue
[15:42] <TaraLS> Because it has frozen in 12.10 and in XP
[15:42] <TaraLS> So... yes.
[15:42] <mazal> Hoe hou oom dit uit ? lol
[15:43] <Kilos> try win7
[15:43] <Kilos> or 8
[15:43] <mazal> lol
[15:43] <TaraLS> No.
[15:43] <Kilos> hehe
[15:43] <TaraLS> kernel/lib/cpu-notifier-error-inject.ko <-- What does this mean?
[15:43] <Kilos> had to say that
[15:43] <mazal> Just no ? Without a reason ?
[15:43] <mazal> Windows rocks man !!!
[15:43] <TaraLS> mazal:  I don't have money to purchase a whole new operating system.
[15:43]  * mazal gaan nou gewack word
[15:44] <TaraLS> I barely have money to replace potentially problem hardware.
[15:44] <Kilos> it would be a waste anyway
[15:44] <Kilos> ms just gets worse and worse
[15:44] <mazal> Ja true that hey
[15:44] <mazal> I'm just pestering
[15:44] <mazal> Ok , enough of pestering poor Tara , I go work now
[15:44]  * TaraLS waits patiently.
[15:49] <Kilos> go get coffee tea juice TaraLS 
[16:04] <Kilos> yo hubx 
[16:11] <zeref_Droid> Yawn
[16:11] <zeref_Droid> What A long and hot day
[16:16] <Kilos> ya
[16:16] <Kilos> the brat gone to lie down a bit
[16:16] <Kilos> got flu too
[16:19] <inetpro> sjoe
[16:19] <inetpro> I turn my back and see all the stuff I missed again
[16:19] <inetpro> to much to catch up on 
[16:19] <Kilos> ya
[16:20]  * inetpro shall bbl
[16:20] <Kilos> yo Vincent_ your O fell off
[16:20] <Kilos> Maaz, nickometer Vince-0 
[16:20] <Maaz> Kilos: Vince-0 is 27.5% lame
[16:21] <Vincent_> ha
[16:21] <Kilos> Maaz, nickometer vince
[16:21] <Maaz> Kilos: vince is 0.0% lame
[16:24] <Vince-0> client's no auto authenticating properly
[16:25] <Kilos> it waits till your nick timesout after being disconnected for a bit
[16:25] <Kilos> gives you a tail instead
[16:33] <Kilos> so Vince-0 i wanna see some or your lug guys here hey
[16:33] <Vince-0> ya
[16:34] <Kilos> we got from clug and glug
[16:34] <Vince-0> dont ask SmilyBorg about that -
[16:34] <Kilos> but no durbs lug
[16:34] <Kilos> lol dont she wanna
[16:34] <Vince-0> people in this place dont even like crossing the river to meet
[16:34] <Kilos> ai
[16:37] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[16:38] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[16:39] <superfly> inetpro: too
[16:39] <superfly> inetpro: we go from here to there, but you miss too much
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:43] <Symmetria> lol @ my dog
[16:43] <Symmetria> she runs upstairs, some how manages to pick up her food bowl (which is meant to be designed to stop her doing that), carries it downstairs, drops it at my feet and barks at me 
[16:43] <Symmetria> wanting supper 
[16:44] <Kilos> teach her to fix pcs
[16:45] <Symmetria> laugh, teaching her things is dangerous, she figures out very quickly how to use what you teach her for things she shouldnt use it for
[16:45] <Symmetria> :p
[16:45] <Kilos> lol
[16:45] <confluency> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/919321 ?
[16:46] <Kilos> is that for us confluency ?
[16:46] <Kilos> ty
[16:47] <confluency> It sounds like a driver issue.  I would suggest trying other drivers before anything else.
[16:48] <confluency> From PPAs, not by hand, for the love of all that is good and holy.
[16:49] <Kilos> her pc freezes even from the onboard graphics socket
[16:49] <Kilos> with nvidia unplugged
[16:50] <confluency> So this is a desktop? What's the onboard graphics?
[16:50] <Kilos> desktop graphics socket on mb
[16:51] <Kilos> intel something or other
[16:51] <Kilos> she should be back a bit later
[16:51] <confluency> Also, why would anyone install 173? That's ancient now.
[16:52] <Kilos> thats what the additional drivers function shows as recomended
[16:53] <Kilos> her pc is three years old or so
[16:54] <Kilos> Maaz, spell recommend
[16:54] <Maaz> Kilos: That seems correct. Carry on
[16:54] <Kilos> naand tannie magtie 
[16:54] <confluency> Were the most recent drivers known not to be working?
[16:55] <Kilos> it hung before any extra drivers were installed
[16:55] <magtie> Hi Kilos
[16:56] <Kilos> after 12.10 install its didnt hang for 4 hours or so then started
[16:56] <Kilos> but only when working hard
[16:56] <confluency> Overheating? :/
[16:57] <Kilos> she has all sensors setup and looks well withing limits
[16:57] <Kilos> not sure what the nvidia limits are though
[16:58] <Kilos> even tried outside fan to help keep cool with cover off
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat quick
[17:09] <hubx> hi there
[17:09] <hubx> what do you use for you backups
[17:10] <hubx> I use BackInTime and it is ultraslow
[17:10] <hubx> make my laptop nearly unusable for 2hours
[17:10] <hubx> for a delta update of 1 or two weeks
[17:17] <Kilos> deja-dup
[17:17] <hubx> its the one shipped with ubuntu?
[17:17] <Kilos> default in 12.04
[17:17] <Kilos> and 12.10 i think
[17:30]  * Symmetria chokes and buys adobe photoshop cs6
[17:34]  * mazal peeks back in
[17:34] <Kilos> hehe
[17:36] <mazal> Bugs is driving me nuts
[17:36] <mazal> Real bugs
[17:36] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <Symmetria> wow thats pretty cool, you can license ALL adobe products for $50 a month
[17:48] <Symmetria> or a single product for $20 a month
[17:48] <Symmetria> thats not bad
[17:57] <mazal> Oom Kilos ek speel lekker met die multiple desktop ding
[17:57] <mazal> Het dit nooit voorheen gebruik nie
[17:57] <Kilos> lol
[17:57] <Kilos> ek gebruik 10
[17:57] <mazal> Het altyd van dit geweet maar nooit gedink dit so handig kan wees nie
[17:58] <mazal> Ek ek's al op ubu vanaf 8.04 af
[18:01] <mazal> 10 !!
[18:04] <Symmetria> :P adobe just lost a sale, their website was broken, so while waiting for them to fix it, I downloaded gimp for windoze, did what I needed to do, and no longer need to buy adobe crap 
[18:04] <Kilos> dom donner
[18:05] <Kilos> lol you learning Symmetria 
[18:05] <Kilos> ja ek het kde gebruik om 10 desktops te maak en dit gebruik as backup op unity
[18:05] <Kilos> no het ek 10
[18:06] <Kilos> een vir evolution
[18:06] <Kilos> 1 vir pidgin
[18:06] <Kilos> een vir xchat
[18:06] <Kilos> en die ander vir all die ander goed
[18:06] <Kilos> ek haat die minimise ding soos windows
[18:08] <Kilos> wow i got a funny hdd here
[18:08] <Kilos> will take ubuntu win me and win7
[18:08] <Kilos> xp cant see it
[18:08] <Kilos> and win7 sucks
[18:13] <mazal> Roep die brat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:13] <mazal> hehehehe
[18:15] <kbmonkey> evening
[18:15] <Symmetria> heh will probably still end up buying photoshop at some point 
[18:15] <Symmetria> because honestly, its still the best image editor / graphics software in existance imo 
[18:15] <Symmetria> but *shrug* for now, gimp worked fine 
[18:15] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[18:16] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[18:17] <Kilos> tara sleeping with tough flu but debs gone to try wake her guys
[18:18] <smile4ever> hi :)
[18:18] <Symmetria> http://www.alstonnetworks.net/ub-connect-2012.jpg
[18:18] <Symmetria> <3 
[18:18] <Symmetria> I love the fact that my sponsorship logos are on that 
[18:18] <smile4ever> Kilos: a kiss will help ;)
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:19] <mazal> Hi kbmonkey , smile4ever 
[18:19]  * TaraLS crawls out of bed.
[18:19] <smile4ever> hi mazal , taraLS, Kilos, Symmetria & kbmonkey 
[18:19] <smile4ever> :p
[18:19] <Kilos> hehe
[18:19] <Kilos> ya sicky
[18:19] <kbmonkey> wb smile4ever. how is your homework?
[18:20] <smile4ever> I did it all today :D
[18:20] <TaraLS> smile4ever:  Congrats. :)
[18:21] <kbmonkey> wb TaraLS!
[18:21] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yessss, ty ty
[18:21] <smile4ever> and I fixed a bug in 10 minutes, which wasn't fixed in 2 hours (I was sleepy)
[18:21] <smile4ever> :p
[18:21] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  I sent you an email. Did you get it?
[18:21] <smile4ever> thanks TaraLS :)
[18:21] <smile4ever> I even learned my tests for tomorrow :p
[18:22] <kbmonkey> I will check my email TaraLS
[18:22] <kbmonkey> wow it will snow on irc, smile4ever ;)
[18:22] <kbmonkey> is it Python by any chance smile4ever?
[18:22] <TaraLS> lol
[18:23] <smile4ever> kbmonkey: when? On Christmas eve? :D
[18:25] <kbmonkey> ke ke ke
[18:27] <inetpro> good morning TaraLS
[18:27]  * kbmonkey is happy to have hot water again
[18:27] <TaraLS> I left my computer on when I left before. It still hasn't frozen.
[18:27]  * TaraLS loves Live. lol.
[18:27] <kbmonkey> cold showers are colllld
[18:27] <TaraLS> inetpro:  Hi there. :)
[18:27] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  lolol
[18:30] <kbmonkey> hmmm, I need an email client. gmail loads and loads
[18:32] <kbmonkey> oh so the PC is still on TaraLS? 
[18:32] <kbmonkey> how interesting!
[18:34] <TaraLS> Yes!
[18:34] <smile4ever> kbmonkey: no python ;) only snakes :p
[18:39]  * nlsthzn loads USB with elementary OS... bout the pull the trigger and reboot
[18:39] <kbmonkey> lol! snakes is a fun game to make.
[18:42] <kbmonkey> TaraLS, I looked at your pastes, lots of words there XD
[18:43] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yessss, I know. :( But jeez, I'm so sick of explaining what has been done/what's happening/etc that I figured that would be better. >.>
[18:43] <TaraLS> Besides, that also gives you a rundown of what has been tried/theorized since you and I last spoke.
[18:43] <kbmonkey> you ran that modprobe command on your installed ubuntu?
[18:43] <TaraLS> No, on Live Ubuntu.
[18:43] <TaraLS> I don't want to restart. Live is good to me. Live does not freeze.
[18:43]  * TaraLS stares at the heavens.
[18:44] <kbmonkey> ah. well if you run it on your installed one, we can compare them to see what is different. but dont restart XD
[18:44] <TaraLS> oh
[18:44] <TaraLS> Darn it
[18:45] <kbmonkey> you thought to reinstall. i worry that will fix it, but if an update comes along, it will bork again :p
[18:45] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  But... Yeah. And I don't know WHAT update, if that's what it is, is doing it.
[18:45] <kbmonkey> do you know if your home files have their own partition?
[18:45] <TaraLS> I didn't think to install
[18:46] <TaraLS> I don't WANT to reinstall. >.> Other crazy people do. :P
[18:46] <kbmonkey> OK :]
[18:46] <mazal> She does kbmonkey 
[18:46] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Yep. Kilos helped me partition stuff that I wouldn't lose in the event of needing to reinstall.
[18:46] <TaraLS> mazal:  *waves*
[18:46] <kbmonkey> ah thanks mazal
[18:47] <mazal> kbmonkey,  and we wanted to het her on 12.04.01 which is more stable and less buggy
[18:47] <mazal> get even
[18:47] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Even though I like 12.10 and have had no issues with 12.10 directly.
[18:47] <nlsthzn> delay that installation!?!?!!? TF2 just showed up under my steam for linux games... :D
[18:47] <kbmonkey> I would have said kubuntu
[18:47] <kbmonkey> TF2?
[18:47] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  And then he called me Hardekwak... or something.
[18:47] <nlsthzn> oh and hi all
[18:47] <TaraLS> nlsthzn:  Hi. :)
[18:47] <nlsthzn> Team Fortress 2....
[18:48] <mazal> lol :)
[18:48] <kbmonkey> ha ha!
[18:48] <nlsthzn> Guess that means I am in the beta then?
[18:48] <mazal> hardekwas :)
[18:48] <nlsthzn> hi TaraLS ... don't mind me... I stumble into the channel, rant and leave usually :p
[18:49] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  So here's the shpiel. If Linux has a version of itself (Kubuntu vs Ubuntu, whatever) that can run my Lexmark printer and Genius tablet, I will so DEFINITELY reinstall with that.
[18:49] <TaraLS> nlsthzn:  lol, okeydoke. :P
[18:49] <kbmonkey> you going for it then nlsthzn? TF2?
[18:50]  * TaraLS corrects: even just my tablet. Printer I can attach to other PC.
[18:50] <nlsthzn> kbmonkey, downloading as I type...
[18:50] <kbmonkey> well the Live version does not use your hard drive. Unless you try browse it, I think...
[18:50] <kbmonkey> I wonder if your drive...
[18:50] <mazal> kbmonkey, I was thinking the same thing
[18:50] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  But watching videos that are saved to my HDD is fine.
[18:51] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Which you can see we discussed by looking at that paste! :P
[18:51] <kbmonkey> Dang! Oh well, there goes that idea
[18:51] <kbmonkey> hey hey, I'm getting there
[18:51]  * TaraLS snickers.
[18:51] <mazal> My biggest concern with "software related" is the fact that XP did the same
[18:51] <TaraLS> We had the same reactions too
[18:51] <TaraLS> "Let's try this... Darn! Well, back to square one"
[18:52] <mazal> That keeps bringing me back to hardware related
[18:52] <TaraLS> And THEN we asked the question...
[18:52] <mazal> Why the live works
[18:52] <TaraLS> What is different hardware-use wise in Live that is different in Installed Ubuntu.
[18:52] <TaraLS> mazal:  Preciselamondo.
[18:53] <mazal> Hehehe , we a good team Tara
[18:53] <TaraLS> Behehe
[18:54]  * nlsthzn has never seen TaraLS and mazal in the same room at the same time... could they be...
[18:54] <nlsthzn> ?
[18:54] <TaraLS> ?
[18:54] <kbmonkey> !
[18:54] <mazal> huh
[18:54] <nlsthzn> exactly
[18:55] <TaraLS> rofl
[18:55] <TaraLS> Good lord.
[18:55] <kbmonkey> alter egos
[18:55] <TaraLS> Pfft. nope.
[18:55] <nlsthzn> split personality... both nuts...
[18:55] <TaraLS> Well, I DID come from Kilos, so...
[18:55] <TaraLS> That's not so far-fetched a thought.
[18:55] <nlsthzn> eh?
[18:55] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  What were you thinking when you suggested I use Live?
[18:55] <TaraLS> nlsthzn:  Kilos is my old man.
[18:56] <TaraLS> nlsthzn:  And since HE is nuts...
[18:56] <kbmonkey> does anyone know if Live runs unity in software mode?
[18:56] <nlsthzn> ah... you from Australia by any chance?
[18:56] <kbmonkey> I dont see any nvidia or nouveau in that modprobe list
[18:56] <mazal> kbmonkey, we established that her live runs in 3d unity , most probably with novue
[18:56] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  My Unity is running in Live mode.
[18:56] <nlsthzn> depends if unity 2d or 3d
[18:56]  * TaraLS rofls again. Eish.
[18:56] <TaraLS> nlsthzn:  Yes...?
[18:56] <mazal> 3d
[18:56] <TaraLS> My Unity doesn't work with my onboard graphics.
[18:57] <kbmonkey> wouldnt the modprobed list show the drivers used though?
[18:57] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Well, it WAS a modprobe list used in Live.
[18:57] <nlsthzn> TaraLS, awesome, welcome and nice to meet you... 
[18:57] <TaraLS> Okay you know what? I'ma just go ahead and restart, and do a modprobe in Installed-Ubuntu.
[18:57] <TaraLS> Then we can compare. :)
[18:57] <TaraLS> See what's different.
[18:57] <TaraLS> If anything.
[18:57] <mazal> Re-install while you at it
[18:57] <TaraLS> nlsthzn:  Thanks. :) You too.
[18:57]  * mazal ducks
[18:57] <TaraLS> mazal:  You. Shush.
[18:57] <mazal> lol
[18:58] <mazal> Get 12.04 on there
[18:58] <TaraLS> mazal:  I don't want to do that unless I have tooooo. Shhh.
[18:58] <kbmonkey> ha ha cheeky folks
[18:58]  * mazal shhhhhses
[18:59] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Okay yes? I restart? Do a HDD-Ubuntu modprobe?
[18:59] <kbmonkey> i guess that would help us see what is different TaraLS :)
[18:59] <kbmonkey> also...
[18:59] <mazal> I'm gonna crash , loong day tommorrow
[19:00] <TaraLS> mazal:  Sleep tight, Mazal. Thanks again for your help - and your reinstall pestering. :P
[19:00]  * nlsthzn isn't part of the closed beta after all... hope TF2 works after download and installation... it is only 12GB in size >.<
[19:00] <TaraLS> nlsthzn:  Whoah. >.>
[19:00] <mazal> Your welcome TaraLS , sorry we couldn't find it , yet
[19:00] <kbmonkey> if you can get us a list of your application install history, we can see what updates were done
[19:00] <TaraLS> mazal:  That's okay. We will figure it out. If not us, then the computer shop will!
[19:00] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Okay. How do I do that?
[19:01] <mazal> Sleep well everyone
[19:01] <mazal> God bless
[19:01]  * TaraLS waves to mazal.
[19:01] <kbmonkey> gn mazal!
[19:01] <kbmonkey> dang! hit capslock and not tab :p
[19:02]  * kbmonkey notes to self to map capslock to something more useful
[19:02] <TaraLS> lol
[19:02] <kbmonkey> TaraLS: cat /var/log/apt/history.log > ~/update-history.txt
[19:02] <TaraLS> That whole thing? Up to the txt?
[19:02] <kbmonkey> that will copy your update history to a text file in your home
[19:02] <kbmonkey> yes, its a .txt file :)
[19:02] <TaraLS> Okay. Can I do it on Live first?
[19:03] <kbmonkey> sure! but I doubt your live did any updates, or did it?
[19:03] <TaraLS> kbmonkey:  Well, that's the point. We want to compare.
[19:03] <TaraLS> Okay, yeah.
[19:03] <TaraLS> Lemme see.
[19:04] <TaraLS> Ew... The txt file is a mess.
[19:04] <kbmonkey> compare the modprobe results
[19:04] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s21XqxcPCV
[19:05] <TaraLS> Yes but... If it's an updating issue, we can see what's different.
[19:05] <TaraLS> Now I restart. brb.
[19:05] <kbmonkey> :]
[19:05] <kbmonkey> in -and-out before it freezes!
[19:05] <kbmonkey> dont forget to copy the fiel
[19:06] <Kilos> whew you guys chat fast hey
[19:06] <Kilos> will take a week to catch up
[19:06] <Kilos> she stubborn hey
[19:06] <Kilos> worse than me
[19:07] <kbmonkey> yup ;)
[19:07] <kbmonkey> OK. the Live apt history shows nouveau. interesting
[19:08] <Kilos> well nouveau are default arent mthey
[19:08] <nlsthzn> hi uncle Kilos 
[19:08] <Kilos> she back
[19:09] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn you ok
[19:09] <nlsthzn> fine thanks... just about to hit the hay and all...
[19:09] <nlsthzn> met TaraLS :)
[19:09] <Kilos> ok nlsthzn look after you
[19:10] <Kilos> she fulla
[19:10] <Kilos> whew
[19:10] <TaraLS> I not fully
[19:10] <TaraLS> a
[19:10] <TaraLS> You fulla
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s20J7tnBny Here's the update history
[19:10] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos , will do...
[19:10] <Kilos> sleep tight nlsthzn 
[19:10] <nlsthzn> cheers all :)
[19:10] <kbmonkey> gn nlsthzn !
[19:10] <TaraLS> nlsthzn,  Toodles. :)
[19:10] <Kilos> and dont wait so long to come back
[19:12] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Here's the modprobe: http://slexy.org/view/s20cwZW3WN
[19:12] <Kilos> which modprobe you did kiddo
[19:12] <Kilos> too far to scroll back
[19:12] <TaraLS> This is the one for my HDD Ubuntu
[19:13] <TaraLS> I'm on the HDD now, not the USB
[19:13] <kbmonkey> your HDD has nvidia drivers. the live does not. 
[19:13] <kbmonkey> I'd bet big bucks there is a issue
[19:13] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Nowae....
[19:13] <Kilos> no dodo the command im looking for
[19:13] <kbmonkey> he he. doodoo
[19:13] <TaraLS> Kilos,  sudo modprobe -l
[19:13] <Kilos> ty
[19:13] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Okay, so... Whut dew I dew?
[19:14] <TaraLS> So my graphics card obviously works without the drivers, because I can see Unity interface fine on Live.
[19:14] <kbmonkey> we can find you step TaraLS how to remove nvidia and use the nouveau drivers.
[19:14] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, Okay.
[19:14] <kbmonkey> nouveau are the open source equivalent of nvidia. they do the same thing basically.
[19:14] <nlsthzn> but they suck at gaming
[19:14] <TaraLS> That's what Superfly was saying
[19:14] <TaraLS> But I wanted to wait for youuuu
[19:14] <nlsthzn> ok ok I am going to bed sheese
[19:15]  * TaraLS rofls.
[19:15] <superfly> what? who? where?
[19:15] <TaraLS> I don't do gaming on my PC anyway.
[19:15] <TaraLS> superfly,  Ohallo.
[19:15] <Kilos> kbmonkey, it froze before we went for the nvidia drivers
[19:15] <kbmonkey> aaaawe :]
[19:15] <superfly> my ears were burning
[19:15] <TaraLS> superfly,  The modprobe for Live does not have my nVidia drivers, whereas my current HDD installation does.
[19:15] <kbmonkey> hi superfly !
[19:15] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Are there other differences?
[19:16] <kbmonkey> superfly, i got TaraLS to cat her apt/history, the live uses nouveau, her install uses nvidia
[19:16] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Because, yes, it froze before we went for the nvidia drivers (actually manually installing them). That's why we went and got them.
[19:16] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  To see if it would stop the freeze.
[19:16] <TaraLS> ing. Freezing.
[19:16] <superfly> TaraLS: that's not your full modprobe output
[19:16] <superfly> kbmonkey: yeah, that's what I thought
[19:16] <TaraLS> superfly, I just did the command you said to do.
[19:17] <kbmonkey> I got her to cat it to a text file
[19:17] <superfly> TaraLS: it looks like you are in good hands... kbmonkey got you to capture all of it
[19:17] <kbmonkey> I say we find steps to remove nvidia and use nouveau. its a good place to start.
[19:17] <TaraLS> Okay.
[19:18] <kbmonkey> strange, my modprobe has no -l option
[19:18] <kbmonkey> anyway...
[19:18] <TaraLS> lol
[19:18] <kbmonkey> let me Google-Fu some steps...
[19:18] <TaraLS> kk
[19:19] <confluency> It's in the repository.  If you install it it should uninstall all the nvidia drivers that clash with it.
[19:19] <confluency> And vice-versa.
[19:19] <TaraLS> confluency,  Ooh, a new brainstormer. Hello. :)
[19:19] <confluency> Hello
[19:20] <TaraLS> I have to be honest... I feel a tiny bit on edge in my installed Ubuntu, lol. I have no idea when it will freeze.
[19:20] <Kilos> shup
[19:20] <kbmonkey> nouveau is installed by default, on top of nvidia. I suspect removing nvidia will then fall back on nouveau. but I like to confirm this before we do...
[19:21] <TaraLS> Kilos,  O.o ?
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe
[19:21] <kbmonkey> oh confluency, yey, hi
[19:21] <confluency> Installing nvidia may well remove nouveau, so I wouldn't just uninstall nvidia.
[19:21] <Kilos> dont be afraid you in good hands
[19:21] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Not afraid. Apprehensive.
[19:21] <TaraLS> Uncertain.
[19:21] <confluency> Try installing nouveau; apt will probably ask if it's OK to remove your nvidia drivers.
[19:21] <Kilos> dont be it can be fixed
[19:21] <Kilos> clean install
[19:22] <confluency> Buuuut
[19:22] <TaraLS> confluency,  Okay, but I don't know how to install nouveau. That's what I'm waiting for.
[19:22] <TaraLS> Kilos,  If I do a clean install, I want to install XP too so I can use my stupid tablet.
[19:22] <confluency> How did you install the old nvidia drivers?
[19:22] <Kilos> i would use synaptic to remove it
[19:22] <TaraLS> confluency, At first, I was told that Ubuntu should install the drivers itself. 
[19:22] <confluency> You can install all the drivers from the repository, and there are newer versions in a PPA.
[19:22] <TaraLS> confluency,  Then, I got the 'current driver' and then the '173 driver' and then the 'additional drivers' to try stop the comp from freezing.
[19:23] <TaraLS> What's the repository?
[19:23] <confluency> Something may have been installed automatically during your initial install, but I don't know about it specifically.
[19:23] <Kilos> place where packages are downloaded from
[19:23] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Well, that would be synaptic.
[19:23] <Kilos> repo
[19:23] <confluency> Synaptic is a graphic front-end to apt, which is the Ubuntu packae manager.
[19:23] <Kilos> no its inna sky
[19:24] <TaraLS> lol
[19:24] <confluency> apt gets its packages from repositories.
[19:24] <Kilos> where your update manager gets them from
[19:24] <confluency> A PPA is an unofficial repository that you have to enable.
[19:24] <TaraLS> Okay.
[19:24] <Kilos> but synaptic shows
[19:24] <TaraLS> I'm getting confused now.
[19:24] <TaraLS> In any case, I will wait for kbmonkey  to confirm
[19:24] <TaraLS> He's looking to see if we can just install nouveau and they will automatically uninstall nvidia
[19:25] <confluency> I recommend using command-line apt utilities instead of Synaptic; you get more unambiguous feedback (which it is also easier to paste into IRC).
[19:25] <Kilos> confluency, you think the nvidia ppa will help?
[19:25] <kbmonkey> that ubuntu service that detects hardware probably put in as an update?
[19:25] <kbmonkey> TaraLS, can you run this for me in a terminal please:
[19:25] <kbmonkey> dpkg --list | grep nouveau
[19:26] <kbmonkey> look for "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau"
[19:26] <confluency> Kilos: it might help if a bug is fixed in the newest driver version, but it may not make any difference.
[19:26] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  ii  xserver-xorg-video-nouveau                1:1.0.2-0ubuntu3                          i386         X.Org X server -- Nouveau display driver
[19:26] <kbmonkey> the 'ii' means it is installed :)
[19:26] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Well that's annoying.
[19:26] <confluency> What if you dpkg -l | grep nvidia     ?
[19:27] <confluency> TaraLS: how did you install the nvidia drivers?
[19:27] <kbmonkey> confluency here is the apt history, http://slexy.org/raw/s20J7tnBny
[19:27] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s21jruLGw3
[19:29] <kbmonkey> confluency, would you agree we could do this:
[19:30] <kbmonkey> sudo apt-get purge nvidia-settings nvidia-common nvidia-current
[19:30] <confluency> OK, so maybe nvidia and nouveau don't uninstall each other. I may have been thinking of different nvidia versions.  There must be another way of picking which one you want to use.
[19:30] <confluency> Yes, you could.  You think it will fall back to nouveau automatically?
[19:30] <kbmonkey> I think 'jockey' detected and installed nvidia. I don't know much about jockey though.
[19:30]  * TaraLS waits.
[19:31] <confluency> TaraLS: you mentioned installing other nvidia drivers -- how did you install them? I can only see nvidia-current in the apt history.
[19:31] <TaraLS> I installed them using Dash
[19:31] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Shush.
[19:31] <kbmonkey> yes I do confluency. it says that nouveau are in by default, and that they dont have to be removed -- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[19:31] <kbmonkey> sadly that wiki does not tell how to *remove* nvidia. lol!
[19:31] <confluency> What's Dash?
[19:32] <kbmonkey> Dash is like Bash
[19:32] <confluency> I'm worried that there are other nvidia versions floating around that the package manager knows nothing about.
[19:32] <TaraLS> Except with a D.
[19:32] <Kilos> its a kinda launcher with search capabilities
[19:32] <kbmonkey> Ohhh, the launcher dash, not the shell :p
[19:32] <confluency> But what did you do in order to install it? What commands did you use?
[19:32] <kbmonkey> so many names
[19:33] <Kilos> she looked for drivers in dash
[19:33] <TaraLS> confluency,  I didn't use commands. I searched 'driver' in Dash, and it showed me the drivers I could install, and then I clicked the little driver icons, and clicked 'install'
[19:33] <Kilos> and it gave additional drivers
[19:33] <TaraLS> It gave additional drivers, and 'current driver', and '172 driver', etc
[19:33] <Kilos> 173
[19:33] <superfly> kbmonkey: jockey is the actual program name of the "Additional Drivers" window
[19:33] <kbmonkey> yes that sounds like jockey, to install drivers
[19:33] <TaraLS> oop, typo
[19:33] <TaraLS> Kilos,  ty
[19:34] <Kilos> yw
[19:34] <kbmonkey> ah superfly, I believe we can purge the nvidia packages, and since we know neavou is still isntalled. 
[19:34] <kbmonkey> --> sudo apt-get purge nvidia-settings nvidia-common nvidia-current
[19:34] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Should I do that then?
[19:34] <TaraLS> Are we all in agreement?
[19:35] <confluency> OK, I can see that those packages are available in the standard repositories, but according to your dpkg output you don't currently have those packages installed. Do you remember if you installed the current driver last?
[19:35] <smile4ever> byee :p
[19:35] <Kilos> lol
[19:35] <Kilos> do it
[19:35] <Kilos> toods smile4ever 
[19:35] <smile4ever> good night :D
[19:35] <confluency> TaraLS: go for it; it's unlikely to break anything.
[19:35] <kbmonkey> we know you have all your documents backed up already TaraLS, I would say it is worth a go.
[19:35] <TaraLS> confluency,  Oh. That's... peculiar. And I'm fairly sure I did the 173 last.
[19:35] <smile4ever> sleep fine, Kilos 
[19:35] <TaraLS> Okay. Wait one.
[19:35] <kbmonkey> worst case you will need to reinstall :)
[19:35] <TaraLS> Hideous.
[19:35] <Kilos> hehe
[19:35] <kbmonkey> but *before* you hit 'Y'
[19:35] <TaraLS> Sheesh.
[19:36] <TaraLS> I'm very quick, so you have to be sure you want me to do this before I do it :P
[19:36] <kbmonkey> show us the list of changes it says it will make
[19:36] <confluency> I don't know what the program you used was, but I would be surprised if it didn't integrate into the package manager and use normal packages.
[19:36] <Kilos> read what else it wants to purge
[19:36] <TaraLS> Okay.
[19:36] <kbmonkey> :)
[19:36] <confluency> Yes, tell us. It will probably be fine, though.
[19:36] <Kilos> if it says desktop anywhere dont hit y
[19:37] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s20uwYku2x
[19:37] <confluency> That looks fine.
[19:37] <kbmonkey> that looks perfect. 
[19:37] <TaraLS> Okay.
[19:37] <TaraLS> Clicking Y?
[19:37] <TaraLS> Or... typing, rather.
[19:37] <confluency> By the way, you can do sudo apt-get autoremove to clean up the cruft.
[19:37] <kbmonkey> Yes!
[19:37] <TaraLS> What's cruft?
[19:37] <confluency> Do iiiiiit
[19:37] <TaraLS> rofl
[19:37] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <kbmonkey> and reboot 
[19:38] <confluency> Those packages it tells you about at the top.
[19:38] <TaraLS> Okay, so
[19:38] <TaraLS> I will put 'y'
[19:38] <TaraLS> And then reboot?
[19:38] <TaraLS> Should I check anything and show you before I reboot?
[19:38] <Kilos>  sudo apt-get autoremove before rebooting
[19:39] <kbmonkey> ^ what oom Kilos said
[19:39] <TaraLS> Okay so
[19:39] <Kilos> confluency, see why i got old so fast
[19:39] <TaraLS> Click 'y' here, and then do sudo apt blabla remove, and then reboot?
[19:39] <Kilos> ya
[19:39] <confluency> TaraLS: don't worry about the autoremove now; it's not related to this.
[19:40] <kbmonkey> lets hope graphics / unity works now like it does in Live
[19:40] <TaraLS> confluency,  Okay. Good. I like your thinking. :D
[19:40] <confluency> You can do it whenevr.
[19:40] <TaraLS> Okay.
[19:40] <TaraLS> Heeeeere goooes nothiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
[19:40] <kbmonkey> squeee!
[19:40] <zeref> fingers and toes crossed X
[19:41] <TaraLS> Okay well
[19:41] <TaraLS> Good news. I didn't 'splode.
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <TaraLS> And I can still see all my Unity interface
[19:41] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s2xjPjtR5v
[19:41] <Kilos> isnt slexy faster for all of you as well
[19:42] <confluency> That was a fast reboot.
[19:42] <Kilos> ubuntu bin is slow here
[19:42] <TaraLS> Am I supposed to reboot after this too?
[19:42] <TaraLS> I thought only after autoremove
[19:42] <Kilos> after autoremove
[19:42] <TaraLS> My comp DOES reboot fast, though. I do love it - in spite of the stupid freezing wot.
[19:43] <kbmonkey> did it reboot already? wow
[19:43] <Kilos> no man
[19:43] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, Good grief, no. :P I haven't rebooted yet.
[19:43] <Kilos> still autoremove
[19:43] <kbmonkey> Ok. go go go, I can't wait! excited!
[19:44]  * kbmonkey makes tea to calm down
[19:44] <TaraLS> rofl
[19:44] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:44] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[19:44]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[19:44] <TaraLS> Waiiiit wait. So I should restart now? (Without doing auto-remove since it's not related)?
[19:45] <Kilos> auto remove first kiddo
[19:45] <TaraLS> I'll have to leave the comp on for a day and use it throughout said day to test if it worked. Or wait for it to freeze. Whichever comes first.
[19:45] <kbmonkey> sure you can autoremove now if you like to satisfy that ocd. I know I do.
[19:45] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, That's not an OCD. That's something confluency  suggested. :P
[19:45] <kbmonkey> sorry, I mean CDO
[19:45] <kbmonkey> it's alphabetic
[19:45] <TaraLS> rofl
[19:45]  * superfly is also CDO
[19:46]  * TaraLS rofls again. Ho hum. Ab muscles.
[19:46] <confluency> It makes your apt messages shorter and more relevant to your interests. :P
[19:46] <TaraLS> Okay, look, peeps. All I want to know is what to do to further along our brainstorming in relation to my problem. Since I have uninstalled the nvidia drivers, I should reboot ANYway, right?
[19:46] <TaraLS> Or does Ubuntu not need that like Windows does?
[19:47] <kbmonkey> you *do* need to restart the X-server for the drivers to take effect
[19:47] <superfly> TaraLS: with the graphics drivers you do need to reboot
[19:47] <TaraLS> Okay. I will be right back.
[19:47] <kbmonkey> you _could_ do it the hard way, but rebooting is easiest ;)
[19:47] <superfly> TaraLS: well, what kbmonkey said
[19:47] <TaraLS> Good grief, forget the hardway.
[19:47] <TaraLS> hard way*
[19:47] <TaraLS> HA. That's because of 'hardware'
[19:47] <TaraLS> Anyway, rebooting.
[19:47] <kbmonkey> indeed
[19:47] <Kilos> whew ek sukkel
[19:48] <Kilos> just as well she 8000ks away
[19:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[19:48] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[19:48] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[19:49] <kbmonkey> Maaz coffee please
[19:49] <Maaz> kbmonkey: There isn't a pot on
[19:49] <kbmonkey> eish, just missed it
[19:49] <TaraLS> Okay.
[19:49] <TaraLS> aaaaall seems fine in the world.
[19:50] <TaraLS> Again - I did not 'splode.
[19:50] <kbmonkey> sjoe, your pc did boot OK :]
[19:50] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Yuh-huh. :)
[19:50] <kbmonkey> and unity is still alive?
[19:50] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Yep. It paused for a bit on startup, and I was like "awno..." but then it came right.
[19:50] <TaraLS> After about five seconds. LIke it had to get used to the new settings or something.
[19:50] <superfly> TaraLS: to the YouTubes!! :-P
[19:50] <kbmonkey> lol!
[19:50]  * TaraLS rofls!
[19:50] <TaraLS> Wait wait.
[19:50] <Kilos> hehe
[19:50] <TaraLS> Lemme do the sudo thing
[19:50] <kbmonkey> well now your pc uses the same video as the Live one does
[19:50] <TaraLS> Make sure ALL nvidia is gone
[19:51] <TaraLS> What is the command? lol. 
[19:51] <Kilos> you were supposed to do that after auto remove
[19:51] <TaraLS> I was told that autoremove is not important.
[19:51] <TaraLS> I want to just CHECK that they're gone
[19:51] <Kilos> sudo aptget autoremove methinks
[19:51] <TaraLS> The thing that tells you what drivers are installed.
[19:51] <TaraLS> No Kilos, not that.
[19:52] <superfly> Kilos: nee!
[19:52] <Kilos> cant you scroll back and see
[19:52] <kbmonkey> TaraLS: apt-cache policy nvidia-current nvidia-common
[19:52] <Kilos> my eye tired
[19:52] <TaraLS> I restarted, though.
[19:52] <TaraLS> Ah. Thanks kbmonkey 
[19:52] <TaraLS> Ohey checkit out. Xchat holds history, even after a reboot.
[19:52] <superfly> dpkg --list | grep nvidia
[19:52] <kbmonkey> it will say "Installed (none)" if not installed
[19:52] <superfly> try that in the terminal
[19:52] <TaraLS> superfly,  Oyes. That one.
[19:53] <TaraLS> Whooooooooo It didn't show anything.
[19:53] <TaraLS> To the Youtubes!
[19:53]  * kbmonkey will cry if youtubes don't play :'(
[19:54]  * TaraLS will cry too.
[19:54] <TaraLS> Youtube does play. Just... freezes. Anyway, lesseee....
[19:54] <Kilos> you guys think there was some nvidia stuff insatalled by default before we did the additional drivers bit?
[19:54]  * TaraLS watches Resident Evil 6 cutscenes.
[19:55] <TaraLS> I swear the comp DOES feel lighter.
[19:55] <Kilos> lol
[19:55] <TaraLS> What a horrible trick on the mind if it freakin' freezes.
[19:55] <kbmonkey> I guess time will tell!
[19:55] <TaraLS> And I'm switching back and forth between Youtube and xchat whilst the video is playing.
[19:55] <kbmonkey> scweeeet
[19:56] <Kilos> try the moving it forward and back
[19:56] <Kilos> the movie that is
[19:56] <TaraLS> What else?
[19:56] <kbmonkey> o_O
[19:56] <Kilos> sing it a song
[19:56] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, >.> Stop it.
[19:56] <kbmonkey> Maaz sing
[19:56] <Maaz> la la la la laaaaa
[19:57] <Kilos> hi timkeller 
[19:57] <timkeller> Hey Kilos
[19:57] <kbmonkey> I do like the mutt interface, but to go through that setup again...
[19:57] <TaraLS> Oh boohiss.
[19:57] <TaraLS> I DID save those converted videos
[19:57] <TaraLS> But I dunno where to. I thought I saved them to my HDD home
[19:58] <TaraLS> But I guess I didn't
[19:58] <TaraLS> How do I do a search for files on my comp?
[19:58] <kbmonkey> does ubuntu come with catfish?
[19:58] <Kilos> whew no unity peeps here
[19:59]  * TaraLS prays. Ohhh please don't freeze.
[19:59] <Kilos> dont think so kbmonkey 
[19:59] <Symmetria> lol
[19:59] <Symmetria> man, my dog hates skype
[19:59] <Symmetria> :p
[19:59] <TaraLS> lol
[19:59] <Symmetria> every time Im on a video conference on my tv, she runs in the room, looks at the tv, sees people, and gets real upset
[19:59] <TaraLS> brb
[20:00] <Symmetria> runs around trying to find them and when she cant comes back and starts growling at them
[20:00] <kbmonkey> yay qemu installed :)
[20:00] <kbmonkey> lol Symmetria!
[20:01] <Symmetria> lol, seriously, she was barking and growling at one of my clients the other day and I had to send her outside, she REALLY doesnt like the fact that she can hear someone, see them, but cant smell them or physically find them
[20:03] <Kilos> kbmonkey, what you installing now
[20:03] <Kilos> you tired openbox?
[20:04] <kbmonkey> it is a virtual machine emulator Kilos. 
[20:04]  * TaraLS continues to pray. Please don't freeze.
[20:04] <Kilos> ah
[20:04] <kbmonkey> like virtualbox
[20:04] <kbmonkey> ooh humble bundle just added more games to the bundle!
[20:04] <kbmonkey> <3 those puzzle games
[20:08] <kbmonkey> well the nvidia was the one difference I saw in the Live. Lets hope it was the right one!
[20:08]  * TaraLS converts Youtube video to MPEG4 on VLC.
[20:08] <TaraLS> >.>
[20:08] <TaraLS> It will take 55 mins. Here's hoping no freezorz.
[20:09] <zeref> ffmpeg ftw to convert
[20:09] <kbmonkey> ubuntu-za will win 1000 internets if it converts OK
[20:11] <TaraLS> Haha
[20:13] <superfly> zeref: but doesn't VLC use ffmpeg under the covers anyways?
[20:13] <kbmonkey> best alias ever: convert-mp3-to-ogg XD
[20:15]  * Kilos uses mmediac
[20:15] <Kilos> old mobile media converter
[20:15] <Kilos> i thinks thats what its called now
[20:20] <Kilos> are you all holding your breath
[20:20] <Kilos> uh oh
[20:21] <TaraLS> lol
[20:21] <Kilos> still going
[20:21] <TaraLS> Yeah
[20:21] <Kilos> whew
[20:21] <Kilos> we can breathe a bit longer
[20:21] <TaraLS> lol
[20:22] <Kilos> i gotta crash kiddo
[20:22] <TaraLS> Okay Kilos
[20:22] <TaraLS> Leep loose
[20:22] <Kilos> tell me morning what happened
[20:22] <TaraLS> I shall.
[20:22] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:22] <Kilos> ty for helping my brat
[20:22] <TaraLS> Yes, ty very much. Here's hoping the nvidia was the issue.
[20:22] <Kilos> toods love
[20:23]  * TaraLS waves to old man.
[20:23] <Kilos> TaraLS, dont only visit here when you got probs hey
[20:23] <Kilos> come say hi to the guys now and again
[20:23] <kbmonkey> gn Kilos!
[20:23] <Kilos> night monkey
[20:30] <TaraLS> Sorry for quiets.
[20:30] <TaraLS> I'm lying down whilst doing this test.
[20:30] <TaraLS> I have flu.
[20:36] <kbmonkey> I am catching up on email. best to get your rest TaraLS 
[20:37] <superfly> TaraLS: no worries, I have PLENTY to keep me occupied :-)
[20:38] <kbmonkey> maybe its time I setup an email client :)
[20:38] <kbmonkey> reinstalled my PC last week, lots of little things out of place
[20:39] <TaraLS> It's still going. 
[20:39]  * TaraLS makes shifty eyes. IS THIS THE END OF FREEZAGE?
[20:40] <kbmonkey> Could Be!
[20:49] <eheh> It froze!!!!!!
[20:49]  * eheh explodes.
[20:50] <kbmonkey> aaaaawe :'(
[20:50] <kbmonkey> no fair!
[20:50]  * eheh just... ugh.
[20:50] <eheh> What else is different between live and normal?
[20:50] <eheh> I was playing Rhythmbox
[20:51] <eheh> That way, I could lie down, and if the music stopped itself, I knew that it was frozen.
[20:51] <kbmonkey> are you booted back into the HDD now?
[20:51] <eheh> Which is what happened. Boo.
[20:51] <eheh> Yeah.
[20:52] <kbmonkey> we can see if the system log shows any errors
[20:52] <kbmonkey> sorry, that sucks
[20:53] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  How do I do that again?
[20:53] <kbmonkey> it will be a new command. lets see...
[20:53] <TaraLS> superfly,  :(
[20:54] <TaraLS> confluency,  :(
[20:54] <superfly> TaraLS: :-(
[20:55] <kbmonkey> let us see if your logs show any hints:
[20:55] <kbmonkey> sudo cat /var/log/syslog | tail -n 100 > ~/system-logs.txt && dmesg | tail -n 100 >> ~/system-logs.txt
[20:55] <kbmonkey> then copy the system-logs.txt it makes in your home please :)
[20:56] <kbmonkey> copy that command as one line
[20:56] <kbmonkey> sorry its kinda long
[20:56] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s2zk65pSOm
[20:57] <kbmonkey> wow quick
[20:57] <TaraLS> Lookit all that floppy drive crud.
[20:57] <TaraLS> Why is it seeing a floppy drive when there ISN'T one?
[20:58] <tumbleweed> maz tell charlvn https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/ibid/twitter-breakage/+merge/135227
[20:58] <tumbleweed> maaz tell charlvn https://code.launchpad.net/~stefanor/ibid/twitter-breakage/+merge/135227
[20:58] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Sure, I'll tell charlvn on freenode
[20:58] <kbmonkey> i know, that fd0 error is filling up your log :p
[20:58] <kbmonkey> it probably pushed down the messages we want to see. eish
[20:59] <TaraLS> What if the floppy drive IS the message we want to see?
[20:59] <kbmonkey> hmmm
[21:00] <kbmonkey> we want to see messages around the time it froze
[21:00] <TaraLS> Maybe the floppy drive is what is causing the freezing... >.>
[21:02] <kbmonkey> we can turn the floppy drive off in your bios settings
[21:03] <TaraLS> I disabled it already. :| That's the annoying thing.
[21:03] <TaraLS> Lemme go see. brb.
[21:03] <kbmonkey> hang on
[21:03] <kbmonkey> can I ask you to try the log thing again? 
[21:03] <TaraLS> Okay. The thing I just copy/pasted?
[21:03] <TaraLS> That loooong command?
[21:04] <kbmonkey> no, this one:
[21:04] <kbmonkey> sudo cat /var/log/syslog | grep '^Nov 21 07:4*' > ~/system-logs.txt
[21:05] <kbmonkey> it will cleverly give us the logs around the time you froze
[21:05] <TaraLS> Why didn't you give me that one before? :P
[21:05] <kbmonkey> I took the time from irc when you said it froze, 
[21:05] <kbmonkey> cos I... um.. darn.
[21:05] <TaraLS> lolol
[21:05] <kbmonkey> cos I did not think.
[21:05]  * kbmonkey shuffles feet
[21:06] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s20fLlYdYm
[21:06] <kbmonkey> if you did reset your bios recently, it could have put the floppy back on
[21:06] <TaraLS> ......
[21:07] <TaraLS> But I've disabled it since then
[21:08] <TaraLS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/384579
[21:09] <TaraLS> Blah, popup error (got it before): Unable to mount floppy drive. Error mounting /dev/fd0 at /media/tara-lynn/disk23: Command-line `mount -t "auto" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid" "/dev/fd0" "/media/tara-lynn/disk23"' exited with non-zero exit status 32: mount: block device /dev/fd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[21:09] <TaraLS> mount: /dev/fd0: can't read superblock
[21:11] <TaraLS> A work around is to blacklist the floppy module:
[21:11] <TaraLS> sudo vi /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[21:11] <TaraLS> add
[21:11] <TaraLS> blacklist floppy
[21:11] <TaraLS> and then run update-initramfs:
[21:11] <TaraLS> sudo update-initramfs -u
[21:11] <TaraLS> Hth
[21:11] <TaraLS> ?
[21:13] <kbmonkey> the log only shows a bunch of UFW -- firewall, blocks every 20-30 seconds
[21:14] <kbmonkey> weird, its from google. anyway.
[21:14] <kbmonkey> um, not sure if you have to blacklist it. may just need to turn it off in the bios.
[21:15] <kbmonkey> say, how much disk space do you have free on your / (root)
[21:15] <TaraLS> Okay. Lemme go back to BIOS and see. brb.
[21:15] <TaraLS> Uh
[21:15] <TaraLS> 32.8 GB
[21:15] <kbmonkey> if you browse to Filesystem
[21:15] <TaraLS> :P
[21:16] <kbmonkey> just checking. if / fills up it causes weird errors. especially if your logs get spammed with stuff ;)
[21:16] <TaraLS> Oh I see
[21:18] <TaraLS> See
[21:18] <TaraLS> I opened up 'home'
[21:18] <TaraLS> And on the left, you know how it has "Computer: Home, desktop, documents" etc?
[21:18] <TaraLS> At the top, it has "Devices: Floppy Disk" GYAH
[21:18] <kbmonkey> yes, go there to filesystem
[21:20] <TaraLS> What do you want me to do in filesystem?
[21:21] <TaraLS> kbmonkey, 
[21:21] <kbmonkey> just see how much space there is. it is different than your home space
[21:21] <TaraLS> I know.
[21:21] <TaraLS> Kilos told me to do that.
[21:22] <TaraLS> "Give /root 30g, etc etc"
[21:22] <kbmonkey> that bug report is from 2009, it says a fix is released
[21:22] <kbmonkey> sigh, im not sure what to suggest :(
[21:22] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Well, that guy says his comp was hanging and he got that weirdo floppy drive error, just like me. So... maybe that is what it is.
[21:22] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  How do I get the fix?
[21:22] <kbmonkey> try turning off the floppy again
[21:22] <kbmonkey> in the bios
[21:22] <TaraLS> Okay, to the BIOS! brb
[21:22] <kbmonkey> the fix is already in your ubuntu
[21:22] <kbmonkey> yes :)
[21:27] <TaraLS> Okay, well. It was already off.
[21:27] <TaraLS> 1st: HDD
[21:27] <TaraLS> 2nd: CDROM
[21:27] <TaraLS> 3rd: (disabled)
[21:27] <kbmonkey> those are your boot options?
[21:27] <TaraLS> No
[21:27] <TaraLS> That's how it is set
[21:27] <TaraLS> My boot options are
[21:28] <TaraLS> HDD, CDROM, Geek Squad Flash Drive (when it's plugged in, that's where my Live Ubuntu is), and "1ST Floppy Drive.
[21:29] <kbmonkey> does it look kinda like this http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/motherboards/asus/a7v600/mainbios.jpg
[21:30] <TaraLS> Nope. o_o
[21:30] <TaraLS> Lemme go take a pic. brb.
[21:30] <kbmonkey> darn.
[21:36] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  It actually did look similar to that.
[21:36] <kbmonkey> lol
[21:37] <kbmonkey> ok, and the "Legacy Diskette A/B" ones said None?
[21:37] <TaraLS> Hang on.
[21:37] <TaraLS> I took photos.
[21:38] <TaraLS> Legacy Diskette was on something else, and I selected 'disabled'
[21:38] <TaraLS> But I could still select '1ST floppy drive' in my 'boot' tab
[21:39] <kbmonkey> we can ignore the boot tab, the bios isn't too clever to hide it 
[21:39] <TaraLS> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0726.jpg
[21:40] <kbmonkey> ok, so you changed it from xyz to Disabled, and pressed F10 to save
[21:41] <kbmonkey> it should be turned off then
[21:41] <TaraLS> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0727.jpg
[21:42] <TaraLS> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0728.jpg
[21:43] <TaraLS> Two more. >.>
[21:43] <TaraLS> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0729.jpg
[21:44] <TaraLS> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/SAM_0730.jpg
[21:44] <TaraLS> There we go
[21:45] <kbmonkey> ok, it looks good 
[21:45] <TaraLS> now how do I check if the comp is still id0ing?
[21:45] <TaraLS> if0*
[21:46] <TaraLS> Ooh. Well, my home thingy isn't showing 'floppy drive' under devices anymore
[21:46] <TaraLS> Just my camera (which is currently plugged in)
[21:46] <TaraLS> I shall again attempt to convert url then? See if it freezes?
[21:47] <kbmonkey> good idea. 
[21:47] <kbmonkey> I cant say that is the error, but its good to try all options :)
[21:48] <TaraLS> Yeah.
[21:48] <TaraLS> Gotta rule it out.
[21:49] <TaraLS> Now I will play music and go lie down, and if my music stops, then I know the comp has frozen.
[21:49] <TaraLS> Darn it.
[21:50] <kbmonkey> already?!
[21:54] <kbmonkey> I'm going to bed, good luck with the un-freezing TaraLS 
[21:55] <TaraLS> Darn. :(
[21:55]  * TaraLS belatedly waves guhbye to the no-longer-here kbmonkey.
[22:46] <TaraLS> Whew. Comp froze (and I couldn't restart using ctrl+alt+shift+printscr+reisub; I tried), aaand yeah.
[22:46] <TaraLS> Core temps go up really quickly when streaming video and trying to convert
[22:47] <TaraLS> Now at 37c, but were at 51c when comp froze