shadeslayerwhat's the news with 4.9.80?00:11
shadeslayerthere's a email on the release team about that00:12
* shadeslayer looks at cantor00:12
shadeslayerScottK: I remember you talking something about libpng00:39
shadeslayerwhat do we want to depend on?00:39
shadeslayerlibpng12-dev ?00:39
c_smithhey, are there any packages for the latest KDE release you guys need help on? if so, what can I do, and how do I do so?00:50
shadeslayeroh hey00:55
shadeslayerwell .. the packages are in our sekrit PPA at the moment00:55
shadeslayerc_smith: have any packaging experience ?00:55
c_smithshadeslayer, nope, the reason I wanted to look into this.00:55
c_smithis there a better way about going about learning how to package than this?00:56
shadeslayerthere's a packaging guide .....00:56
c_smithah, I'll have a look.00:57
c_smithif a better candidate comes around, take that person, I'm also doing this for something to do.00:57
TygartI have been testing 13.04, so far thats the only way I have been able to contribute. 00:57
shadeslayerTygart: thanks for doing loads of QA, it's *very* important and I don't think alot of people devote enough time for QA 01:00
TygartI am learning a lot too. 01:00
ScottKshadeslayer: I was talking about ilbjpeg01:06
Tygarthey and thank you guys too, I can't get over how stable and easy it is to use, I wish I had found out about it sooner, MS gave me a lot of trouble. 01:06
ScottKc_smith: Yes.  We can use new people to help.01:08
c_smithScottK, I'm currently reading up on packaging, figured that would be a good place to kill some time, I'll likely come back here tomorrow sometime when I'm done reading up on it.01:10
ScottKc_smith: Great.01:10
ScottKTygart: Thank you for testing too.01:11
c_smithScottK, hopefully there's something I can do at that point.01:11
ScottKc_smith: There is a bit of a learning curve, but as long as you stick with it, you can be productive.  We're glad to help.01:12
c_smithtrue. and thanks.01:12
c_smithdoes experience in compiling programs help much?01:13
ScottKIf you know a bit about Make, that does help.01:13
c_smithI know enough to look at any errors and get an idea of what might be wrong.01:13
ScottKPackaging is mostly make and shell and a bunch of policy.01:13
c_smithbut a lot of the time I'll ask to see if my hunch is right.01:14
c_smithand there are errors that baffle me, but usually I can figure it out.01:14
ScottKOnce the KDE 4.10 beta is public, there will be a lot to do.01:14
ScottKOne major task is going to be splitting our monolithic kdegames package into one package per game.01:17
c_smithhow long has that kdegames package been around, btw? does anyone know?01:18
c_smithconvenient in some ways, not so much in others, though.01:19
TheLordOfTimequestion for you Kubuntu devs, where do KDE bugs fall into, in terms of who has control?  bugsquad/bugcontrol or the devs for KDE (with some other protocols for handling the bugs)01:19
ScottKDepends on if it's an upstream bug or a packaging bug.01:21
ScottKFor upstream bugs, we prefer people just file them on bugs.kde.org.01:21
TheLordOfTimethere's that small group of people who don't know what is/isn't upstream, of course.01:22
ScottKc_smith: It was built as a monolithic source package in svn, now that kdegames development has moved to git, they split it up.01:22
TheLordOfTimeScottK, what'd you suggest for an ubuntu BugController to give as response to this?  <Tygart> is there a channel for *Kubuntu Bugs*01:22
TheLordOfTime<Tygart> KDE01:22
TheLordOfTimethat was in #ubuntu-bugs a bit ago01:22
* TheLordOfTime just finished beating php5 into a pulp and checked IRC :P01:22
ScottKTo the extent there is one, this is it.01:22
ScottKBut really KDE bugs are Ubuntu bugs.01:23
TygartOh 01:23
ScottKThe Ubuntu in "#ubuntu-bugs" is Ubuntu the project, not Ubuntu the desktop.01:23
TheLordOfTimesince they share the same repos, there's no separate bugcontrollers group.01:23
TheLordOfTimethey end up under the same general governance.01:23
TheLordOfTimei say general, because some bugs are... "Special"01:23
* TheLordOfTime avoids such bugs in his duties :P01:24
TheLordOfTimewell...... unless i'm of course the one filing them.  sync request bugs are meh :P01:24
ScottKBut if you run into people who have questions about how to file bugs on KDE stuff, if it's upstream, please point them at b.k.o.01:24
ScottKTheLordOfTime: Become a developer, then you never have to file one of those again.01:24
TheLordOfTimewill do.  might end up pointing them here though, since my specialty's server packages01:24
ScottKRight, but even then, you can usually tell if it's packaging or not.01:25
ScottKMay as well save them the stop.01:25
TheLordOfTimeScottK, true, if its packaging i can tell, i do decent work to identify those :P01:34
TheLordOfTimegranted, the obvious ones're obvious :P01:42
TheLordOfTimethe less obvious ones, well... i usually don't see those anyways, and i keep tabs on new bugs :P01:42
TheLordOfTimeScottK, thanks for the info/help though :)01:42
* TheLordOfTime returns to epic combat with php501:42
ScottKSure thing.01:42
ScottKTheLordOfTime: I have the words of advice for you on working with php5:01:43
ScottK"Don't do it."01:43
* TheLordOfTime kicks php5, and it does nothing01:44
TheLordOfTimeTOO LATE01:44
* TheLordOfTime draws a sword and starts hacking at the code of php5 to make it work with the custom module he's trying to make it load01:44
TheLordOfTimeScottK, its also not for Ubuntu, but for a company that needs this customized module loaded up, and php5's whining :p01:45
TheLordOfTimehence me digging at it :P01:45
TheLordOfTimei've been at it a month already :P01:45
TheLordOfTimeanyways, i'll leave this channel for its purpose and go into lurkmode :)01:46
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shadeslayerScottK: oh ... ok02:20
ScottKshadeslayer: Can you work on fixoring up the 4.9.80 stuff?  Lots to do and it was just me and Riddell so far uploading stuff.02:26
ScottK(except for you and kde4libs I should say)02:26
shadeslayerScottK: yeah, working through it :)02:36
shadeslayerfixed gwenview/cantor/analitza02:36
shadeslayerand kalgebra02:37
* ScottK just finished kdepim-runtime.02:37
shadeslayersigh, I wish we had netflix back in India02:38
shadeslayer<3 Netflix on this TV02:38
* ScottK packages a library with 3 (yes three) symbols.02:42
ScottKshadeslayer: Please note the packages you've done and are working on on http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas03:08
* ScottK just about duplicated -workspace.03:08
shadeslayeroh heh03:09
ScottKshadeslayer: I see you marked cantor good, but I don't see the fixed on in ninjas.03:41
shadeslayeroh, ugh, didn't notice it had failed03:42
shadeslayerScottK: just to make sure of something, since system-config-printer-kde was dropped, do I need to do anything extra in the packaging or is dropping all references from the kdeadmin control file enough?03:43
shadeslayercan't see any rdepends that need updated as well03:43
ScottKshadeslayer: As long as the new thing doesn't ship any files of the same name, that's it.03:43
shadeslayernot that I can tell .. so yay03:43
shadeslayer!find qglwidget.h03:48
ubottuFile qglwidget.h found in libqtscript4-doc, python-qt4-doc, qt3-doc, qt4-doc-html03:48
ScottKjussi: Maybe we need #kubuntu-shadeslayer with an ubottu.03:49
shadeslayeroh this is fun03:50
shadeslayernew source called nepomuk-widgets-4.9.80.tar.xz03:51
shadeslayerPIM won't compile without it03:51
shadeslayerokay, I'm off to sleep03:58
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ScottKshadeslayer: I packaged up nepomuk-widgets, just for you.08:46
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Riddellshadeslayer: you recon gwenview is ok even with a missing file?10:31
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1081522] KDE System Settings "File Manager" association ignored by KDE apps @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1081522 (by Cefn)10:50
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Riddellwelcome back Quintasan 11:04
QuintasanRiddell: sup?11:21
RiddellQuintasan: 4.9.80 packaging!  join in, all the cool kids are at it11:24
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RiddellTm_T: the tag system has never worked on news items, and I don't want to battle sysadmin to fix it12:36
Tm_TRiddell: explains12:40
BluesKajHi folks12:52
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Yusuphi BluesKaj14:58
ScottKRiddell: Should the pate stuff be in a separate binary?  Also, would you please have a look at the patch I just did to make pate build (assuming it builds) and push it to KDE git?15:01
RiddellScottK: I did wonder about the pate stuff, I think the only issue is it might want an extra dependency on pykde15:04
Riddellotherwise I don't think there's a reason for a separate binary15:04
BluesKajhi Yusup15:05
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ScottKRiddell: Is GPL3 OK for KDE licensing policy?15:45
ScottKActually, nevermind.15:46
Riddellmm not really15:50
Riddellkde-workspace is a beast15:50
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bulldog98!find QGlWidget16:19
bulldog98~find QGlWidget16:19
ubottuPackage/file QGlWidget does not exist in quantal16:19
ScottKbulldog98: libqt-gl-dev16:24
ScottKOr something really close to that.16:25
* bulldog98 is going to fix ktouch16:25
ScottKbulldog98: Already fixed.16:26
Riddellbulldog98: see status on http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas16:26
bulldog98ScottK: :( now that I wanted to do something16:26
ScottKbulldog98: Oh, wait, nevermind.16:27
ScottKbulldog98: Please go ahead.16:27
Riddellplenty of things to be fixed on http://ec2-54-242-72-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html16:27
bulldog98what should I write into the changelog if I add an build-dep?16:28
bulldog98btw why does ktouch not check for libqt4-opengl-dev?16:29
Riddellbulldog98: "Add build-dep on libfoo-dev"16:29
Riddellbulldog98: upstream aren't perfect, things get missed out of cmake files16:29
bulldog98hm maybe I should submit a patch :)16:29
shadeslayeryeah :P16:30
Riddellor just commit it, I did just that for ScottK earlier http://commits.kde.org/kate/6c8b1a3f81ca76648d5013f63cc691671d7d6e5d16:30
bulldog98shadeslayer: hm should I go through a review process or just commit a fix for that?16:30
shadeslayercommit it as long as you can justify it later on if someone asks 16:31
bulldog98ScottK: after I hopefully fixed a package, what to do with the automation scripts?16:31
ScottKbulldog98: Nothing.  Upload to ninjas by hand and update bzr.16:31
ScottKBTW, kdepim wants (but doesn't require) a newer grantlee.16:36
ScottKDoing that.16:36
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bulldog98what was the command to test if a package version is greater than an other?16:41
Riddelldpkg --compare-versions 1 gt 2 && echo $?16:44
Riddellit just rolls off your keyboard16:44
ScottKgrantlee uploaded to the arhcive.16:45
bulldog98ScottK: was that you introducing the i in the suffix of ktouch?16:48
ScottKbulldog98: oops16:48
bulldog98no prob16:48
Riddella text from +358 saying "i'll be there a bit late"16:53
Riddellhmm, finland16:53
Riddellor Tm_T?16:54
Riddellkubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting16:55
Tm_TRiddell: not me, prolly Jussi, pm me the number and I can check who it was (:16:57
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RiddellKubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting17:00
Riddellping JontheEchidna, Darkwing, jussi17:01
Riddellhmm no apachelogger17:01
yofelping Quintasan shadeslayer debfx17:02
bulldog98Riddell: why does the link in kubuntu-ninjas for status page is broken?17:02
Riddellhttp://ec2-54-242-72-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html works17:02
shadeslayeryeah ? I am a bit busy, probably going to have to skip the meeting17:03
shadeslayerwill passively monitor the channel 17:03
jussiRiddell: pong17:15
jussiRiddell: it was me, thought you had my number :D17:15
bulldog98Riddell: could you please update the status page17:21
Riddellbulldog98: updating, will take a couple minutes17:22
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Tm_Tbtw didn't get email response from Darkwing17:27
Tm_Tnor haven't got any response from that PowerPC hardware company since my last email17:28
ScottKI just added -proposed to the ninjas build-dependencies since that's what we build against in the development release now.17:37
bulldog98hm why does kubuntu-ppa-build-status says that error message: http://paste.kde.org/61231417:49
ScottKafiestas:  Did you see kamoso will need porting to the new libkdcraw API?17:50
afiestasScottK: mm we don't use that I think17:50
afiestasmaybe a kipi-plugin somewhere does, but we don't17:50
ScottKOK.  Then I guess the mail was wrong.17:50
Tm_Tafiestas: as soon as council has clicked you to kubuntu member, nudge me and we get you some IRC clothing (;17:51
ScottKafiestas: What's your LP username?17:52
ScottKafiestas: You're added.17:53
afiestasScottK: alex@eyeos.org? really old email but can't be changed I think17:53
ScottKafiestas: https://launchpad.net/~afiestas is you, right?17:54
afiestasScottK: yes17:55
ScottKOK.  You are added.17:55
ScottKTm_T: ^^^17:55
Tm_Tafiestas: so you want ubuntu/member/afiestas cloak?17:56
soeeare there any G+ widgets available for KDE ?17:56
afiestasTm_T: mmm I should put some KDE ni there I guess17:56
afiestasafterall I'm in both17:56
Tm_Tafiestas: I cannot help with KDE cloak directly, but that can be added later on17:57
Tm_Tafiestas: all I need is "yes" and I hand the request forward (:17:58
afiestasTm_T: mmm dunno, let me check if there is a KDE one first17:59
Tm_Tafiestas: see mine17:59
ScottK4.10 beta is released.18:00
ScottKtime to get cracking.18:00
tsimpsonTm_T: your isn't really a real example, now is it ;)18:01
Tm_Ttsimpson: real example? (:18:01
tsimpsonfreenode don't like those kinds of dual-cloaks these days18:02
ScottKdebfx: I would appreciate it if you'd look at symbols on grantlee 0.3.0 (in raring).18:02
Tm_Ttsimpson: yeah, mine lost its slash some time ago /:18:02
agateauafiestas: there is a kde cloak, iirc you can ask one to kenny18:02
* agateau should do it18:02
tsimpsonah, you're all dotty now18:02
Tm_Ttsimpson: unfortunately, yes18:03
Tm_Tnoone even bothered to talk about it properly with me, it was just changed18:03
yofelafiestas: congrats on membership18:04
afiestasagateau:  can I have both?18:04
Tm_Tafiestas: yes18:04
afiestasyofel: thanks !18:04
Tm_Tafiestas: atleast I have (but then, I'm old)18:04
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JontheEchidnaoff to eat a late lunch18:05
* yofel makes his way home18:05
yofelstill sitting in the office18:05
yofelwill help with 4.10 later18:05
soeecan you take a look: http://pastebin.com/NguFvvBQ ?18:15
soeei have ffmepeg installed18:15
soeebut have this errors18:16
Riddellsoee: presumably some -dev package needed18:31
soeeok got lates ffmpeg18:33
soeeonly one problem left18:33
Riddellsoee: got kdelibs5-dev installed?18:35
soeegonna check, system was reinstalled ~ 3 weeks ago18:36
soeenow this: CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE):18:39
soee  Could NOT find KDE4Workspace (missing: KDE4Workspace_CONFIG)18:39
tsimpsonprobably wants kde-workspace-dev 18:40
soeetsimpson, yup18:42
soeeok one last thing: http://pastebin.com/m6mhzkNz18:42
tsimpsonI guess it wants a libavformat dynamic library, rather than a static one (or the static one compiled with -fPIC)18:44
ScottKRiddell: How about we start uploading to raring?  Due to the proposed migration scheme we have now, I think there's no reason to wait.19:16
bulldog98ScottK: proposed migration scheme?19:27
ScottKbulldog98: Uploads automatically go to raring-proposed and then get moved to raring once they are built on all archs and don't cause increased uninstallibility.19:28
bulldog98sounds cool19:28
ScottKIIRC there was mail to u-d-a about it.19:28
bulldog98not subscribed to that19:29
ScottKbulldog98: You should be.  It's very low volume and you find out about important stuff.19:31
ScottKArchive is public, in any case.19:31
bulldog98ScottK: what’s the complete name of it?19:32
apacheloggerI am not late, you started early :P19:38
apacheloggerafiestas: congratz on membership19:38
afiestasapachelogger: thanks !19:42
* ScottK fixors pimlibs harder.19:45
ScottKapachelogger: need help with 4.9.80.  Desperately. Only you can save us!!19:45
apacheloggerfixing stuffz?19:47
apacheloggerwhy is there so much to fix?19:48
ScottKIt's mostly stuff not updated.19:48
ScottKapachelogger: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas is what's done.19:48
ScottKLook in ninjas at the FTBFS.  Those need attention first.19:49
apacheloggeryofel: on the tegra!=omap business ... ARM is a basic architecture design that is licensed to manufacturers who may opt to fiddle with, so you usually have the basic instruction set on all of them and then loads of additional plunder19:51
apacheloggerso while both omap4 and tegra3 are implementing the ARMv7 IS they are not really the same type of CPU19:51
apacheloggere.g. omap4 uses a dual channel LPDDR wheras teagra3 uses single channel19:52
apacheloggerScottK: so much work19:54
ScottKapachelogger: Yes.  Need help.19:54
ScottKAs you can see, Riddell's one most of it, but he's gone off.19:55
apacheloggerRiddell: I was under the impression that we have business card tempaltes already?19:56
Tm_Twe had19:56
Tm_Tsort of, atleast19:57
apacheloggerScottK: I totally don't have a dev setup yet19:59
apacheloggerScottK: where's the build status page?19:59
ScottKSomewhere in the backscroll19:59
ScottKHang on19:59
apacheloggerand what does "GOOD" mean?19:59
ScottKIt means it built and someone looked to see if it was sane.20:00
ScottKIn my case it means both list-missing and symbols are checked.20:00
apacheloggerviewing logs don't work20:03
ScottKI've been clicky, clicky on the ninjas web page.20:05
ScottKBTW, I applied the libkabc BIC fix patch for both 4.9.3 and 4.9.8020:05
ScottK(see kde-core)20:06
apacheloggergotta love that thing20:07
ScottKNot sure where Riddell went.  Last I heard he was trying to tame -workspace.  It may have gotten him.20:08
ScottKapachelogger: I think -workspace is the one we need the most.  It looks to me like jr uploaded what he'd got done.  Could you take a shot at it?20:11
* ScottK needs to go for a bit.20:11
apacheloggerScottK: what's with all the stuff that is not listed on the note pate?20:13
ScottKapachelogger: We've only been listing stuff as people worked on it.20:13
ScottKAnything not listed was just uploaded via the script.20:14
apacheloggersh: 1: bzr: not found20:15
apacheloggerScottK: is there a reason the list is not alphabetical?20:17
ScottKIt's chronological.20:19
yofelrocs has a weird buildsystem20:46
yofel-- The following REQUIRED packages have not been found:20:46
yofel * KDE4Internal20:46
yofelthen continues without complaining20:46
yofelScottK: do we build tests now?20:49
apacheloggerwhy do we not have boost.python as buildep of kig?20:49
ScottKyofel: Upstream enabled it by default.20:49
apachelogger(build scripting stuff apparently)20:50
yofelScottK: how did you guys handle faling tests?20:50
ScottKSo some new stuff is showing up now due to upstream leaving testing enabled.20:50
* ScottK didn't see any.20:50
apacheloggeryofel: report upstream? ^^20:51
ScottKapachelogger: Those pimlibs files I mentioned there other day are for upstream development.  Not for end users.20:51
apacheloggerScottK: they should install them then -.-20:51
ScottKDisconnect between libs and pim people.20:52
ScottK<krop> no but blame tsdgeos for enabling KDE4_BUILD_TESTS by default in kdelibs20:52
ScottK(was the answer I got when we I asked if we should install them)20:53
* apachelogger ponders flaming the shit out of people installing crap when building tests is on20:53
apacheloggeroh well20:53
apacheloggerboost? scripting?20:53
apacheloggernot documented?20:53
yofelenable it if you can and it's not documented20:54
apacheloggerno one looked into it in the 10 upstream releases since 6.90? Oo20:55
apacheloggeroh my21:09
apacheloggerneed to get dinner real quick21:09
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yofelrocs is good, except for the weird feature summary that makes no sense21:42
apacheloggeryofel: mail upstream I'd say21:44
yofelthat'll have to wait till tomorrow, I'm too tired to write a sensible mail now21:45
apacheloggerindi needs update -.-21:50
yofeliirc that doesn't have a release that you could update to22:00
apacheloggerno JT omg22:15
ScottKRight.  He was here earlier for the meeting.22:19
apacheloggeryofel: just not announced on the website22:21
apacheloggertarball is there though22:21
ScottKapachelogger: What do you think about we go ahead and start uploading the stuff that's ready?22:24
ScottKjr had vanished by the time I thought to suggest it to him.22:25
ScottKIt should stay in proposed until it won't cause problems.22:25
RiddellScottK: uploading now sounds like an interesting experiment to try22:27
apacheloggerle'ts break proposed :D22:28
apacheloggerdpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libindidriver.so.0b needed by debian/indi-bin/usr/bin/indi_simulator_focus (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')22:29
* apachelogger blinks22:29
Riddellapachelogger: there was something on kde-packager about that needing a new indi22:31
Riddellhttp://ec2-54-242-72-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html getting greener22:31
apacheloggerthe release policies some people have22:34
Riddellindi has always had broken release policies22:35
apacheloggerfrom 0.9.1 to 0.9.6 libindi grew two new shared library artifacts22:35
apacheloggerit's awesome22:35
apacheloggeroh, and they adhere to the original libraries' so version for some reason22:36
apacheloggerand our package has no symbols file even though pino noticed a BIC change in .122:37
* apachelogger sighs22:37
RiddellI've wasted days on that indi stuff before22:41
ScottKapachelogger: Proposed is there to be broken.22:41
apacheloggerI'll quote you on that :P22:41
* ScottK does kde4libs22:41
* Riddell uploads kde-workspace ~ppa5 to ninjas22:41
* apachelogger wonders how to do symbols magic without kde helpers22:42
ScottKapachelogger: Is libindi C or C++?22:43
Riddellwith c++ use the pkg-kde stuff22:43
apacheloggerScottK: cpp22:43
apachelogger(although technically the cmake config says c and cpp22:44
ScottKUse the pkg-kde stuff then22:44
Riddellshadeslayer: remember to update bzr when you upload to ninjas22:46
shadeslayeruh? what did I not update ?22:46
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, whatever you did to reupload stuff, you caused multiple 'new upstream' entries in bzr22:47
ScottKNothing like scripting magic for sensible changelogs22:48
ScottKDoes findpythonlibrary_layout_deb_on_debian.diff in kde4libs stay or go?22:48
Riddellyeah that wasn't reuploading that was the automation script being run a few times before it ran successfully22:48
Riddellshadeslayer: kdeadmin, I've done it now22:48
apacheloggerah yes22:49
apacheloggeroh cool22:49
apacheloggernepomuk is indexing pbuilder and my bzr&git clones again22:49
apacheloggerI truly think that nepomuk should be turned off on dev machines22:50
ScottKapachelogger: didn't someone make a setting package to turn stuff like that off?22:52
apacheloggeryes, someone also urged me into doing work on a system that did not even have bzr installed...22:53
Riddellshadeslayer: who is Mohi Devilz and do I want to be his friend?22:53
shadeslayerRiddell: when we were at the Kubuntu dinner, that's when we met him 22:54
shadeslayerwell ... s/we/you/22:54
Riddellshadeslayer: at this UDS?22:54
ScottKOK.  Rohan says it should go, so it goes.22:54
Riddellhow do you know a person who was at a dinner you weren't at?22:54
shadeslayerwut 0.o22:55
shadeslayerI was at the Kubuntu dinner 22:55
Riddelloh I see, I parsed you wrongly22:55
ScottKkde4libs uploaded to raring.22:58
shadeslayerohhh wait 22:58
shadeslayerRiddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeadmin/revision/17122:59
shadeslayerRiddell: I forgot to rm the install file 22:59
Riddellthat'll be it23:01
RiddellScottK: failed :(23:01
apacheloggerinid has cpp and c libaries hooray23:01
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK: what to do for c symbols?23:02
ScottKapachelogger: dpkg-gensymbols23:02
ScottKRiddell: Nice.  Investigating.23:03
ScottKRiddell: It's a compontent mismatches problem with strigi.  Fixing.23:10
ScottKOK.  Done.  We can retry in ~50 minutes.23:13
apacheloggeroh god this package gives me a headache23:15
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apacheloggernow I need to redo the abi patch23:15
apacheloggergood lord23:15
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apacheloggerScottK: why would I want to use the kde symbols magic for cpp btw?23:19
apacheloggeror rather... why cpp but not c?23:19
ScottKBecause  C doesn't need it.23:21
ScottKThat's the case that the regular dpkg-gensymbols is optimized for.23:21
ScottKYou could, but it's generally unnecessary.23:21
RiddellScottK: hmm your dont_break_libkabc_abi.diff patch to kdepimlibs removes a "const QString" but kdepimlibs-4.9.3 has that "const"23:23
apacheloggerScottK: why is it necesary for cpp though?23:23
ScottKRiddell: It is broken in 4.9.3 too23:23
ScottKRiddell: see kde-core ML today.23:24
Riddellok I'll update the .symbols file for your patch23:24
ScottKapachelogger: Because it's ~impossible to get a stable symbols file without it.23:25
ScottKTalk to MoDaX if you actually want to understand it.23:25
apacheloggerI think I understood too much already23:27
ScottKapachelogger: As an example, http://paste.debian.net/211388/ is the one I mentioned the other day that has both types in one library (I know).  Note how all the C symbols are identical on all archs.23:27
ScottKThe others aren't.23:27
apacheloggerthat makes sense23:29
apacheloggerI guess my mind is just failing to compute why dpkg-gensymbols cannot handle cpp properly ^^23:29
ScottKUbuntu, with 4 archs is easy.  Debian is pain cubed on symbols files.23:30
Riddelltime for me to snooze, ciao23:33
apacheloggerhm, unless I am getting this wrong pino's latest abi bump was not necessary23:40
apacheloggerthe changelog talks about a new virtual function but since the library is c I don't see how that would have any affect on BC23:40
ScottKcpp on the brain?23:41
apacheloggerScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/indi/23:59
apacheloggerreview please23:59

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