[00:11] <shadeslayer> what's the news with 4.9.80?
[00:12] <shadeslayer> there's a email on the release team about that
[00:12]  * shadeslayer looks at cantor
[00:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I remember you talking something about libpng
[00:39] <shadeslayer> what do we want to depend on?
[00:39] <shadeslayer> libpng12-dev ?
[00:50] <c_smith> hey, are there any packages for the latest KDE release you guys need help on? if so, what can I do, and how do I do so?
[00:55] <shadeslayer> oh hey
[00:55] <c_smith> heya
[00:55] <shadeslayer> well .. the packages are in our sekrit PPA at the moment
[00:55] <shadeslayer> c_smith: have any packaging experience ?
[00:55] <c_smith> shadeslayer, nope, the reason I wanted to look into this.
[00:56] <shadeslayer> hmm
[00:56] <c_smith> is there a better way about going about learning how to package than this?
[00:56] <shadeslayer> there's a packaging guide .....
[00:57] <c_smith> ah, I'll have a look.
[00:57] <c_smith> if a better candidate comes around, take that person, I'm also doing this for something to do.
[00:57] <Tygart> I have been testing 13.04, so far thats the only way I have been able to contribute. 
[00:59] <shadeslayer> heh
[01:00] <shadeslayer> Tygart: thanks for doing loads of QA, it's *very* important and I don't think alot of people devote enough time for QA 
[01:00] <Tygart> I am learning a lot too. 
[01:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I was talking about ilbjpeg
[01:06] <Tygart> hey and thank you guys too, I can't get over how stable and easy it is to use, I wish I had found out about it sooner, MS gave me a lot of trouble. 
[01:08] <ScottK> c_smith: Yes.  We can use new people to help.
[01:10] <c_smith> ScottK, I'm currently reading up on packaging, figured that would be a good place to kill some time, I'll likely come back here tomorrow sometime when I'm done reading up on it.
[01:10] <ScottK> c_smith: Great.
[01:11] <ScottK> Tygart: Thank you for testing too.
[01:11] <c_smith> ScottK, hopefully there's something I can do at that point.
[01:12] <ScottK> c_smith: There is a bit of a learning curve, but as long as you stick with it, you can be productive.  We're glad to help.
[01:12] <c_smith> true. and thanks.
[01:13] <c_smith> does experience in compiling programs help much?
[01:13] <ScottK> If you know a bit about Make, that does help.
[01:13] <c_smith> I know enough to look at any errors and get an idea of what might be wrong.
[01:13] <ScottK> Packaging is mostly make and shell and a bunch of policy.
[01:13] <ScottK> Excellent.
[01:14] <c_smith> but a lot of the time I'll ask to see if my hunch is right.
[01:14] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:14] <c_smith> and there are errors that baffle me, but usually I can figure it out.
[01:14] <ScottK> Once the KDE 4.10 beta is public, there will be a lot to do.
[01:15] <c_smith> true
[01:17] <ScottK> One major task is going to be splitting our monolithic kdegames package into one package per game.
[01:18] <c_smith> how long has that kdegames package been around, btw? does anyone know?
[01:19] <c_smith> convenient in some ways, not so much in others, though.
[01:19] <TheLordOfTime> question for you Kubuntu devs, where do KDE bugs fall into, in terms of who has control?  bugsquad/bugcontrol or the devs for KDE (with some other protocols for handling the bugs)
[01:21] <ScottK> Depends on if it's an upstream bug or a packaging bug.
[01:21] <ScottK> For upstream bugs, we prefer people just file them on bugs.kde.org.
[01:22] <TheLordOfTime> there's that small group of people who don't know what is/isn't upstream, of course.
[01:22] <ScottK> c_smith: It was built as a monolithic source package in svn, now that kdegames development has moved to git, they split it up.
[01:22] <ScottK> Sure.
[01:22] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK, what'd you suggest for an ubuntu BugController to give as response to this?  <Tygart> is there a channel for *Kubuntu Bugs*
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[01:22] <TheLordOfTime> that was in #ubuntu-bugs a bit ago
[01:22]  * TheLordOfTime just finished beating php5 into a pulp and checked IRC :P
[01:22] <ScottK> To the extent there is one, this is it.
[01:23] <ScottK> But really KDE bugs are Ubuntu bugs.
[01:23] <Tygart> Oh 
[01:23] <ScottK> The Ubuntu in "#ubuntu-bugs" is Ubuntu the project, not Ubuntu the desktop.
[01:23] <TheLordOfTime> since they share the same repos, there's no separate bugcontrollers group.
[01:23] <ScottK> Yes.
[01:23] <TheLordOfTime> they end up under the same general governance.
[01:23] <TheLordOfTime> i say general, because some bugs are... "Special"
[01:24]  * TheLordOfTime avoids such bugs in his duties :P
[01:24] <TheLordOfTime> well...... unless i'm of course the one filing them.  sync request bugs are meh :P
[01:24] <ScottK> But if you run into people who have questions about how to file bugs on KDE stuff, if it's upstream, please point them at b.k.o.
[01:24] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: Become a developer, then you never have to file one of those again.
[01:24] <TheLordOfTime> will do.  might end up pointing them here though, since my specialty's server packages
[01:25] <ScottK> Right, but even then, you can usually tell if it's packaging or not.
[01:25] <ScottK> May as well save them the stop.
[01:34] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK, true, if its packaging i can tell, i do decent work to identify those :P
[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> granted, the obvious ones're obvious :P
[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> the less obvious ones, well... i usually don't see those anyways, and i keep tabs on new bugs :P
[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK, thanks for the info/help though :)
[01:42]  * TheLordOfTime returns to epic combat with php5
[01:42] <ScottK> Sure thing.
[01:43] <ScottK> TheLordOfTime: I have the words of advice for you on working with php5:
[01:43] <ScottK> "Don't do it."
[01:44]  * TheLordOfTime kicks php5, and it does nothing
[01:44] <TheLordOfTime> TOO LATE
[01:44]  * TheLordOfTime draws a sword and starts hacking at the code of php5 to make it work with the custom module he's trying to make it load
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> ScottK, its also not for Ubuntu, but for a company that needs this customized module loaded up, and php5's whining :p
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> hence me digging at it :P
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> i've been at it a month already :P
[01:46] <TheLordOfTime> anyways, i'll leave this channel for its purpose and go into lurkmode :)
[02:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh ... ok
[02:26] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can you work on fixoring up the 4.9.80 stuff?  Lots to do and it was just me and Riddell so far uploading stuff.
[02:26] <ScottK> (except for you and kde4libs I should say)
[02:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yeah, working through it :)
[02:36] <shadeslayer> fixed gwenview/cantor/analitza
[02:37] <shadeslayer> and kalgebra
[02:37] <ScottK> Excellent.
[02:37]  * ScottK just finished kdepim-runtime.
[02:38] <shadeslayer> sigh, I wish we had netflix back in India
[02:38] <shadeslayer> <3 Netflix on this TV
[02:42]  * ScottK packages a library with 3 (yes three) symbols.
[02:42] <shadeslayer> xD
[03:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Please note the packages you've done and are working on on http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
[03:08]  * ScottK just about duplicated -workspace.
[03:09] <shadeslayer> oh heh
[03:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I see you marked cantor good, but I don't see the fixed on in ninjas.
[03:42] <shadeslayer> oh, ugh, didn't notice it had failed
[03:43] <shadeslayer> ScottK: just to make sure of something, since system-config-printer-kde was dropped, do I need to do anything extra in the packaging or is dropping all references from the kdeadmin control file enough?
[03:43] <shadeslayer> can't see any rdepends that need updated as well
[03:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: As long as the new thing doesn't ship any files of the same name, that's it.
[03:43] <shadeslayer> not that I can tell .. so yay
[03:48] <shadeslayer> !find qglwidget.h
[03:49] <ScottK> jussi: Maybe we need #kubuntu-shadeslayer with an ubottu.
[03:49] <shadeslayer> hah
[03:50] <shadeslayer> oh this is fun
[03:51] <shadeslayer> new source called nepomuk-widgets-4.9.80.tar.xz
[03:51] <shadeslayer> PIM won't compile without it
[03:58] <shadeslayer> okay, I'm off to sleep
[03:58] <shadeslayer> night
[08:46] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I packaged up nepomuk-widgets, just for you.
[10:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you recon gwenview is ok even with a missing file?
[10:50] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1081522] KDE System Settings "File Manager" association ignored by KDE apps @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1081522 (by Cefn)
[11:03] <Quintasan> duh
[11:04] <Riddell> welcome back Quintasan 
[11:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: sup?
[11:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: 4.9.80 packaging!  join in, all the cool kids are at it
[12:34] <Tm_T> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/by-tag/kubuntu-lts-releases
[12:36] <Riddell> Tm_T: the tag system has never worked on news items, and I don't want to battle sysadmin to fix it
[12:40] <Tm_T> Riddell: explains
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:58] <Yusup> hi BluesKaj
[15:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Should the pate stuff be in a separate binary?  Also, would you please have a look at the patch I just did to make pate build (assuming it builds) and push it to KDE git?
[15:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I did wonder about the pate stuff, I think the only issue is it might want an extra dependency on pykde
[15:04] <Riddell> otherwise I don't think there's a reason for a separate binary
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi Yusup
[15:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Is GPL3 OK for KDE licensing policy?
[15:46] <ScottK> Actually, nevermind.
[15:50] <Riddell> mm not really
[15:50] <Riddell> kde-workspace is a beast
[16:19] <bulldog98> !find QGlWidget
[16:19] <bulldog98> ~find QGlWidget
[16:24] <ScottK> bulldog98: libqt-gl-dev
[16:25] <ScottK> Or something really close to that.
[16:25] <bulldog98> yep
[16:25]  * bulldog98 is going to fix ktouch
[16:26] <ScottK> bulldog98: Already fixed.
[16:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: see status on http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas
[16:26] <bulldog98> ScottK: :( now that I wanted to do something
[16:27] <ScottK> bulldog98: Oh, wait, nevermind.
[16:27] <ScottK> bulldog98: Please go ahead.
[16:27] <Riddell> plenty of things to be fixed on http://ec2-54-242-72-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html
[16:28] <bulldog98> what should I write into the changelog if I add an build-dep?
[16:29] <bulldog98> btw why does ktouch not check for libqt4-opengl-dev?
[16:29] <Riddell> bulldog98: "Add build-dep on libfoo-dev"
[16:29] <Riddell> bulldog98: upstream aren't perfect, things get missed out of cmake files
[16:29] <bulldog98> hm maybe I should submit a patch :)
[16:30] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[16:30] <Riddell> or just commit it, I did just that for ScottK earlier http://commits.kde.org/kate/6c8b1a3f81ca76648d5013f63cc691671d7d6e5d
[16:30] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: hm should I go through a review process or just commit a fix for that?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> commit it as long as you can justify it later on if someone asks 
[16:31] <bulldog98> ScottK: after I hopefully fixed a package, what to do with the automation scripts?
[16:31] <ScottK> bulldog98: Nothing.  Upload to ninjas by hand and update bzr.
[16:36] <ScottK> BTW, kdepim wants (but doesn't require) a newer grantlee.
[16:36] <ScottK> Doing that.
[16:41] <bulldog98> what was the command to test if a package version is greater than an other?
[16:44] <Riddell> dpkg --compare-versions 1 gt 2 && echo $?
[16:44] <Riddell> it just rolls off your keyboard
[16:45] <ScottK> grantlee uploaded to the arhcive.
[16:48] <bulldog98> ScottK: was that you introducing the i in the suffix of ktouch?
[16:48] <ScottK> bulldog98: oops
[16:48] <ScottK> probably.
[16:48] <bulldog98> no prob
[16:53] <Riddell> a text from +358 saying "i'll be there a bit late"
[16:53] <Riddell> hmm, finland
[16:54] <Riddell> jussi?
[16:54] <Riddell> or Tm_T?
[16:55] <Riddell> kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: not me, prolly Jussi, pm me the number and I can check who it was (:
[17:00] <Riddell> Kubuntu meeting now in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:01] <Riddell> ping JontheEchidna, Darkwing, jussi
[17:01] <Riddell> hmm no apachelogger
[17:02] <yofel> ping Quintasan shadeslayer debfx
[17:02] <bulldog98> Riddell: why does the link in kubuntu-ninjas for status page is broken?
[17:02] <Riddell> http://ec2-54-242-72-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html works
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yeah ? I am a bit busy, probably going to have to skip the meeting
[17:03] <shadeslayer> will passively monitor the channel 
[17:15] <jussi> Riddell: pong
[17:15] <jussi> Riddell: it was me, thought you had my number :D
[17:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: could you please update the status page
[17:22] <Riddell> bulldog98: updating, will take a couple minutes
[17:27] <Tm_T> btw didn't get email response from Darkwing
[17:28] <Tm_T> nor haven't got any response from that PowerPC hardware company since my last email
[17:37] <ScottK> I just added -proposed to the ninjas build-dependencies since that's what we build against in the development release now.
[17:49] <bulldog98> hm why does kubuntu-ppa-build-status says that error message: http://paste.kde.org/612314
[17:50] <ScottK> afiestas:  Did you see kamoso will need porting to the new libkdcraw API?
[17:50] <afiestas> ScottK: mm we don't use that I think
[17:50] <afiestas> maybe a kipi-plugin somewhere does, but we don't
[17:50] <ScottK> OK.  Then I guess the mail was wrong.
[17:51] <Tm_T> afiestas: as soon as council has clicked you to kubuntu member, nudge me and we get you some IRC clothing (;
[17:52] <ScottK> afiestas: What's your LP username?
[17:53] <ScottK> Nevermind
[17:53] <ScottK> afiestas: You're added.
[17:53] <afiestas> ScottK: alex@eyeos.org? really old email but can't be changed I think
[17:54] <ScottK> afiestas: https://launchpad.net/~afiestas is you, right?
[17:55] <afiestas> ScottK: yes
[17:55] <ScottK> OK.  You are added.
[17:55] <ScottK> Tm_T: ^^^
[17:56] <Tm_T> afiestas: so you want ubuntu/member/afiestas cloak?
[17:56] <soee> are there any G+ widgets available for KDE ?
[17:56] <afiestas> Tm_T: mmm I should put some KDE ni there I guess
[17:56] <afiestas> afterall I'm in both
[17:57] <Tm_T> afiestas: I cannot help with KDE cloak directly, but that can be added later on
[17:58] <Tm_T> afiestas: all I need is "yes" and I hand the request forward (:
[17:59] <afiestas> Tm_T: mmm dunno, let me check if there is a KDE one first
[17:59] <Tm_T> afiestas: see mine
[18:00] <ScottK> 4.10 beta is released.
[18:00] <ScottK> time to get cracking.
[18:01] <tsimpson> Tm_T: your isn't really a real example, now is it ;)
[18:01] <Tm_T> tsimpson: real example? (:
[18:02] <tsimpson> freenode don't like those kinds of dual-cloaks these days
[18:02] <ScottK> debfx: I would appreciate it if you'd look at symbols on grantlee 0.3.0 (in raring).
[18:02] <Tm_T> tsimpson: yeah, mine lost its slash some time ago /:
[18:02] <agateau> afiestas: there is a kde cloak, iirc you can ask one to kenny
[18:02]  * agateau should do it
[18:02] <Tm_T> ^
[18:02] <tsimpson> ah, you're all dotty now
[18:03] <Tm_T> tsimpson: unfortunately, yes
[18:03] <Tm_T> noone even bothered to talk about it properly with me, it was just changed
[18:04] <yofel> afiestas: congrats on membership
[18:04] <afiestas> agateau:  can I have both?
[18:04] <Tm_T> afiestas: yes
[18:04] <afiestas> yofel: thanks !
[18:04] <Tm_T> afiestas: atleast I have (but then, I'm old)
[18:05] <JontheEchidna> off to eat a late lunch
[18:05]  * yofel makes his way home
[18:05] <yofel> still sitting in the office
[18:05] <yofel> will help with 4.10 later
[18:15] <soee> can you take a look: http://pastebin.com/NguFvvBQ ?
[18:15] <soee> i have ffmepeg installed
[18:16] <soee> but have this errors
[18:31] <Riddell> soee: presumably some -dev package needed
[18:33] <soee> ok got lates ffmpeg
[18:33] <soee> only one problem left
[18:34] <soee> http://pastebin.com/fSLEgH17
[18:35] <Riddell> soee: got kdelibs5-dev installed?
[18:36] <soee> gonna check, system was reinstalled ~ 3 weeks ago
[18:39] <soee> now this: CMake Error at /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:198 (MESSAGE):
[18:39] <soee>   Could NOT find KDE4Workspace (missing: KDE4Workspace_CONFIG)
[18:40] <tsimpson> probably wants kde-workspace-dev 
[18:42] <soee> tsimpson, yup
[18:42] <soee> ok one last thing: http://pastebin.com/m6mhzkNz
[18:44] <tsimpson> I guess it wants a libavformat dynamic library, rather than a static one (or the static one compiled with -fPIC)
[19:16] <ScottK> Riddell: How about we start uploading to raring?  Due to the proposed migration scheme we have now, I think there's no reason to wait.
[19:27] <bulldog98> ScottK: proposed migration scheme?
[19:28] <ScottK> bulldog98: Uploads automatically go to raring-proposed and then get moved to raring once they are built on all archs and don't cause increased uninstallibility.
[19:28] <bulldog98> sounds cool
[19:28] <ScottK> IIRC there was mail to u-d-a about it.
[19:29] <bulldog98> not subscribed to that
[19:31] <ScottK> bulldog98: You should be.  It's very low volume and you find out about important stuff.
[19:31] <ScottK> Archive is public, in any case.
[19:32] <bulldog98> ScottK: what’s the complete name of it?
[19:32] <ScottK> ubuntu-devel-announce
[19:38] <apachelogger> wheeeee
[19:38] <apachelogger> I am not late, you started early :P
[19:38] <apachelogger> afiestas: congratz on membership
[19:42] <afiestas> apachelogger: thanks !
[19:45]  * ScottK fixors pimlibs harder.
[19:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: need help with 4.9.80.  Desperately. Only you can save us!!
[19:47] <apachelogger> oh
[19:47] <apachelogger> fixing stuffz?
[19:48] <apachelogger> why is there so much to fix?
[19:48] <ScottK> It's mostly stuff not updated.
[19:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas is what's done.
[19:49] <ScottK> Look in ninjas at the FTBFS.  Those need attention first.
[19:49] <ScottK> Please.
[19:51] <apachelogger> yofel: on the tegra!=omap business ... ARM is a basic architecture design that is licensed to manufacturers who may opt to fiddle with, so you usually have the basic instruction set on all of them and then loads of additional plunder
[19:51] <apachelogger> so while both omap4 and tegra3 are implementing the ARMv7 IS they are not really the same type of CPU
[19:52] <apachelogger> e.g. omap4 uses a dual channel LPDDR wheras teagra3 uses single channel
[19:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: so much work
[19:54] <apachelogger> brrr
[19:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  Need help.
[19:55] <ScottK> As you can see, Riddell's one most of it, but he's gone off.
[19:55] <ScottK> (AFAICT)
[19:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: I was under the impression that we have business card tempaltes already?
[19:56] <Tm_T> we had
[19:57] <Tm_T> sort of, atleast
[19:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: I totally don't have a dev setup yet
[19:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: where's the build status page?
[19:59] <ScottK> Somewhere in the backscroll
[19:59] <ScottK> Hang on
[19:59] <apachelogger> and what does "GOOD" mean?
[20:00] <ScottK> http://ec2-54-242-72-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html
[20:00] <ScottK> It means it built and someone looked to see if it was sane.
[20:00] <ScottK> In my case it means both list-missing and symbols are checked.
[20:00] <apachelogger> k
[20:03] <apachelogger> viewing logs don't work
[20:05] <ScottK> I've been clicky, clicky on the ninjas web page.
[20:05] <ScottK> BTW, I applied the libkabc BIC fix patch for both 4.9.3 and 4.9.80
[20:06] <ScottK> (see kde-core)
[20:06] <apachelogger> hm
[20:06] <apachelogger> launchpad
[20:07] <apachelogger> gotta love that thing
[20:08] <ScottK> Not sure where Riddell went.  Last I heard he was trying to tame -workspace.  It may have gotten him.
[20:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think -workspace is the one we need the most.  It looks to me like jr uploaded what he'd got done.  Could you take a shot at it?
[20:11]  * ScottK needs to go for a bit.
[20:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: what's with all the stuff that is not listed on the note pate?
[20:13] <apachelogger> *page
[20:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: We've only been listing stuff as people worked on it.
[20:14] <ScottK> Anything not listed was just uploaded via the script.
[20:14] <apachelogger> hm
[20:14] <apachelogger> k
[20:15] <apachelogger> sh: 1: bzr: not found
[20:15] <apachelogger> -.-
[20:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: is there a reason the list is not alphabetical?
[20:19] <ScottK> It's chronological.
[20:46] <yofel> rocs has a weird buildsystem
[20:46] <yofel> -- The following REQUIRED packages have not been found:
[20:46] <yofel>  * KDE4Internal
[20:46] <yofel> then continues without complaining
[20:49] <yofel> ScottK: do we build tests now?
[20:49] <apachelogger> why do we not have boost.python as buildep of kig?
[20:49] <ScottK> yofel: Upstream enabled it by default.
[20:50] <apachelogger> (build scripting stuff apparently)
[20:50] <yofel> ScottK: how did you guys handle faling tests?
[20:50] <ScottK> So some new stuff is showing up now due to upstream leaving testing enabled.
[20:50]  * ScottK didn't see any.
[20:51] <apachelogger> yofel: report upstream? ^^
[20:51] <ScottK> apachelogger: Those pimlibs files I mentioned there other day are for upstream development.  Not for end users.
[20:51] <apachelogger> ScottK: they should install them then -.-
[20:52] <ScottK> Disconnect between libs and pim people.
 no but blame tsdgeos for enabling KDE4_BUILD_TESTS by default in kdelibs
[20:53] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:53] <ScottK> (was the answer I got when we I asked if we should install them)
[20:53]  * apachelogger ponders flaming the shit out of people installing crap when building tests is on
[20:53] <apachelogger> oh well
[20:53] <apachelogger> kig?
[20:53] <apachelogger> boost? scripting?
[20:53] <apachelogger> not documented?
[20:53] <apachelogger> help?
[20:54] <yofel> enable it if you can and it's not documented
[20:55] <apachelogger> no one looked into it in the 10 upstream releases since 6.90? Oo
[20:56] <yofel> o.O
[21:09] <apachelogger> oh my
[21:09] <apachelogger> need to get dinner real quick
[21:42] <yofel> rocs is good, except for the weird feature summary that makes no sense
[21:44] <apachelogger> yofel: mail upstream I'd say
[21:45] <yofel> that'll have to wait till tomorrow, I'm too tired to write a sensible mail now
[21:50] <apachelogger> indi needs update -.-
[21:53] <apachelogger> uhm
[22:00] <yofel> iirc that doesn't have a release that you could update to
[22:15] <apachelogger> no JT omg
[22:19] <ScottK> Right.  He was here earlier for the meeting.
[22:21] <apachelogger> yofel: just not announced on the website
[22:21] <apachelogger> tarball is there though
[22:24] <ScottK> apachelogger: What do you think about we go ahead and start uploading the stuff that's ready?
[22:25] <ScottK> jr had vanished by the time I thought to suggest it to him.
[22:25] <ScottK> It should stay in proposed until it won't cause problems.
[22:26] <Riddell> evening
[22:27] <Riddell> ScottK: uploading now sounds like an interesting experiment to try
[22:28] <apachelogger> le'ts break proposed :D
[22:29] <apachelogger> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: couldn't find library libindidriver.so.0b needed by debian/indi-bin/usr/bin/indi_simulator_focus (ELF format: 'elf64-x86-64'; RPATH: '')
[22:29]  * apachelogger blinks
[22:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: there was something on kde-packager about that needing a new indi
[22:31] <Riddell> http://ec2-54-242-72-197.compute-1.amazonaws.com/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html getting greener
[22:34] <apachelogger> the release policies some people have
[22:35] <Riddell> indi has always had broken release policies
[22:35] <apachelogger> from 0.9.1 to 0.9.6 libindi grew two new shared library artifacts
[22:35] <apachelogger> it's awesome
[22:36] <apachelogger> oh, and they adhere to the original libraries' so version for some reason
[22:37] <apachelogger> and our package has no symbols file even though pino noticed a BIC change in .1
[22:37]  * apachelogger sighs
[22:41] <Riddell> I've wasted days on that indi stuff before
[22:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: Proposed is there to be broken.
[22:41] <apachelogger> I'll quote you on that :P
[22:41]  * ScottK does kde4libs
[22:41]  * Riddell uploads kde-workspace ~ppa5 to ninjas
[22:42]  * apachelogger wonders how to do symbols magic without kde helpers
[22:43] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is libindi C or C++?
[22:43] <Riddell> with c++ use the pkg-kde stuff
[22:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: cpp
[22:44] <apachelogger> (although technically the cmake config says c and cpp
[22:44] <apachelogger> )
[22:44] <ScottK> Use the pkg-kde stuff then
[22:44] <apachelogger> ok
[22:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: remember to update bzr when you upload to ninjas
[22:46] <shadeslayer> uh? what did I not update ?
[22:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, whatever you did to reupload stuff, you caused multiple 'new upstream' entries in bzr
[22:48] <ScottK> Nothing like scripting magic for sensible changelogs
[22:48] <ScottK> Does findpythonlibrary_layout_deb_on_debian.diff in kde4libs stay or go?
[22:48] <Riddell> yeah that wasn't reuploading that was the automation script being run a few times before it ran successfully
[22:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdeadmin, I've done it now
[22:49] <apachelogger> ah yes
[22:49] <apachelogger> oh cool
[22:49] <apachelogger> nepomuk is indexing pbuilder and my bzr&git clones again
[22:49] <apachelogger> wheee
[22:50] <apachelogger> I truly think that nepomuk should be turned off on dev machines
[22:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: didn't someone make a setting package to turn stuff like that off?
[22:53] <apachelogger> yes, someone also urged me into doing work on a system that did not even have bzr installed...
[22:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who is Mohi Devilz and do I want to be his friend?
[22:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: when we were at the Kubuntu dinner, that's when we met him 
[22:54] <shadeslayer> well ... s/we/you/
[22:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: at this UDS?
[22:54] <shadeslayer> yep
[22:54] <ScottK> OK.  Rohan says it should go, so it goes.
[22:54] <Riddell> how do you know a person who was at a dinner you weren't at?
[22:55] <shadeslayer> wut 0.o
[22:55] <shadeslayer> I was at the Kubuntu dinner 
[22:55] <Riddell> oh I see, I parsed you wrongly
[22:56] <Riddell> gotcha
[22:56] <shadeslayer> xD
[22:58] <ScottK> kde4libs uploaded to raring.
[22:58] <shadeslayer> ohhh wait 
[22:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdeadmin/revision/171
[22:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I forgot to rm the install file 
[23:01] <Riddell> that'll be it
[23:01] <Riddell> ScottK: failed :(
[23:01] <apachelogger> hrrr
[23:01] <apachelogger> inid has cpp and c libaries hooray
[23:02] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: what to do for c symbols?
[23:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: dpkg-gensymbols
[23:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Nice.  Investigating.
[23:10] <ScottK> Riddell: It's a compontent mismatches problem with strigi.  Fixing.
[23:13] <ScottK> OK.  Done.  We can retry in ~50 minutes.
[23:15] <apachelogger> oh god this package gives me a headache
[23:15] <apachelogger> now I need to redo the abi patch
[23:15] <apachelogger> good lord
[23:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: why would I want to use the kde symbols magic for cpp btw?
[23:19] <apachelogger> or rather... why cpp but not c?
[23:21] <ScottK> Because  C doesn't need it.
[23:21] <ScottK> That's the case that the regular dpkg-gensymbols is optimized for.
[23:21] <ScottK> You could, but it's generally unnecessary.
[23:23] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm your dont_break_libkabc_abi.diff patch to kdepimlibs removes a "const QString" but kdepimlibs-4.9.3 has that "const"
[23:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: why is it necesary for cpp though?
[23:23] <ScottK> Riddell: It is broken in 4.9.3 too
[23:24] <Riddell> ah
[23:24] <ScottK> Riddell: see kde-core ML today.
[23:24] <Riddell> ok I'll update the .symbols file for your patch
[23:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Because it's ~impossible to get a stable symbols file without it.
[23:25] <apachelogger> curious
[23:25] <ScottK> Talk to MoDaX if you actually want to understand it.
[23:27] <apachelogger> I think I understood too much already
[23:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: As an example, http://paste.debian.net/211388/ is the one I mentioned the other day that has both types in one library (I know).  Note how all the C symbols are identical on all archs.
[23:27] <ScottK> The others aren't.
[23:29] <apachelogger> that makes sense
[23:29] <apachelogger> I guess my mind is just failing to compute why dpkg-gensymbols cannot handle cpp properly ^^
[23:30] <ScottK> Ubuntu, with 4 archs is easy.  Debian is pain cubed on symbols files.
[23:31] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:33] <Riddell> time for me to snooze, ciao
[23:40] <apachelogger> hm, unless I am getting this wrong pino's latest abi bump was not necessary
[23:40] <apachelogger> the changelog talks about a new virtual function but since the library is c I don't see how that would have any affect on BC
[23:41] <ScottK> cpp on the brain?
[23:42] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[23:59] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/indi/
[23:59] <apachelogger> review please