[11:56] <vibhav> Anybody here for the meeting?
[11:56] <vibhav> (The ubuntu membership board)
[11:57] <linaporras> Helo
[11:57] <vibhav> o/
[11:57] <vibhav> Should start in 3 minutes
[11:57] <linaporras> I'm here for the meeting, as membership candidate
[11:57] <vibhav> same here
[11:58] <zequence> Yep
[11:58] <kokoye2007> vibhav:
[11:58] <kokoye2007> linaporras:
[11:58] <kokoye2007> nice to meet ya
[11:58] <vibhav> :)
[11:58] <linaporras> :) nice to meet you too!!
[11:59] <head_victim> Good evening folks, we're just trying to rustle up quorum amongst the board members
[11:59] <head_victim> !rmb
[11:59] <Pendulum> o/
[11:59]  * micahg is kinda here
[12:00] <head_victim> Awesome, one more and we're good to make a start
[12:02] <beuno> o/
[12:02] <kokoye2007> head_victim:  see ya again
[12:02] <beuno> let's get this party started
[12:02] <head_victim> Thanks beuno, appreciate you filling in :)
[12:02] <head_victim> #startmeeting
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[12:03] <head_victim> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the 1200 UTC meeting for November 21, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:03] <head_victim> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:03] <head_victim> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO)
[12:03] <head_victim> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:03] <head_victim> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:03] <head_victim> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[12:04] <head_victim> #voters Pendulum beuno micahg head_victim
[12:04] <meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno head_victim micahg
[12:04] <head_victim> So now, without any further ado, we'll get started. According to the wiki kokoye2007 is first up
[12:05] <head_victim> #topic kokoye2007
[12:05] <head_victim> kokoye2007: can you please introduce yourself to the board, thanks
[12:05] <kokoye2007> thx vibhav
[12:05] <kokoye2007> thx head_victim
[12:07] <kokoye2007> i am
[12:07] <kokoye2007> local ubuntu lo founder of ubuntu myanmar loco team
[12:07] <kokoye2007> and OSS Dev;
[12:08] <kokoye2007> Ubuntu Myanmar Localization and Shan Localization team  admin
[12:09] <kokoye2007> most people love in myanmar
[12:09] <kokoye2007> next yrs i think 30 % of Myanmar Computer User change to ubuntu
[12:10] <kokoye2007> you can see my activities photo on flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-mm
[12:10] <head_victim> kokoye2007: thanks for that, I'm just reading over the loco activities. as well :)
[12:12] <head_victim> kokoye2007: so both the testimonials you have don't mention Ubuntu specifically, can you provide any insight into how relinux is related to Ubuntu (for those of us not sure what it is) and how you have specifically address Ubuntu in the open source community in SE Asia?
[12:14] <head_victim> kokoye2007: as an example do you have links to events you've run with the loco or had some involvement in?
[12:16] <linaporras> koyoke, so long time ago since I saw the Asia map, your'e country looks beautiful on Wikipedia's photo
[12:16] <head_victim> And that explains why there was no response :)
[12:17] <beuno> ah
[12:17] <head_victim> We
[12:17] <beuno> next?
[12:17] <head_victim> We'll briefly wait for them to reconnect otherwise we'll move on
[12:18] <head_victim> Well we can always come back at the end if they rejoin
[12:18] <head_victim> So we'll move on for now I guess to keep it rolling
[12:18] <head_victim> #topic zequence
[12:19] <head_victim> zequence: can you please introduce yourself to the board?
[12:19] <zequence> Seems like ko ko ye reappeared..
[12:19] <head_victim> zequence: you mind holding off for a bit
[12:20] <zequence> I can wait. np
[12:20] <head_victim> #topic kokoye2007 again
[12:20] <kokoye2007> head_victim: sorry for dv
[12:20] <kokoye2007> dc
[12:20] <head_victim> kokoye2007: before you timed out we asked about your involvement in the loco, your application apepars based on that work but doesn't show what specific contributions you've made in that area
[12:20] <kokoye2007> ya
[12:20] <kokoye2007> thx head_victim
[12:20] <kokoye2007> i am ubuntu myanmar loco team founder
[12:20] <kokoye2007> and translation team administrator
[12:21] <head_victim> kokoye2007: according to launchpad there's only been 14 translation strings completed, do you use multiple lp accounts?
[12:21] <kokoye2007> ya
[12:21] <kokoye2007> i am wanna contribute ubuntu bug team and MOTU
[12:22] <Pendulum> kokoye2007: is there anyone from the Ubuntu MM team who could come cheer for you in the meeting?
[12:22] <kokoye2007> ok
[12:23] <kokoye2007> one is come to there
[12:24] <head_victim> kokoye2007: there just aren't many specifics about your involvement available other than founding. Do you run events for the team? If so can you point out which ones?
[12:24] <kokoye2007> ya
[12:26] <kokoye2007> he aslo dc again
[12:26] <kokoye2007> wc TheDrums
[12:26] <kokoye2007> come back again now thohi
[12:26] <kokoye2007> sorry wc thohi
[12:27] <kokoye2007> he is Ubuntu Myanmar LoCo Team Member
[12:28] <head_victim> thohi: can you briefly explain kokoye2007's involvement in the loco? Have they organised events, how long has it been going, etc?
[12:28] <thohi> ya, we moving together for LoCo team
[12:29] <thohi> ok, since we active from 2009 for ubuntu loco team
[12:29] <thohi> also participate in barcamp
[12:29] <thohi> ever new version release time we make event
[12:30] <thohi> support for whole country with customize distro for our country people
[12:30] <zequence> hehe. Well, I don't think they have any personal opinions at all. They only want to make sure the persons involvement matches the definition for what it takes to be accepted
[12:31] <zequence> Opps, sorry
[12:32] <head_victim> thohi: we're looking more specifically for how kokoye2007 is involved with the loco. We're trying to establish kokoye2007's efforts and contributions here, not the loco
[12:32] <thohi> now we open in yangon for loco team office for more support to user
[12:32] <thohi> ok
[12:33] <head_victim> kokoye2007: what I'm thinking is, you're probably on course for membership but your application is pretty vague and lacking some detail. I'm willing to sit down after the meeting and give you some feedback on how to improve it because we'd really like to assess you but we just don't have enough information currently to do so
[12:33] <thohi> he involve in loco team as main active member and core member
[12:34] <kokoye2007> Ok head_victim
[12:35] <head_victim> kokoye2007: we really need to have it freely available because we have such a short time to assess. So we'll move on to the next applicant and if you can wait around we can provide you some specific feedback on how to get the application ready. Does that make sense and are you ok with that?
[12:35] <linaporras> Oh, well at this time I have a question, How many time has the Membership Board for each session?
[12:36] <head_victim> linaporras: we usually allow an hour, if we're close for time we can extend a little bit, depending on board member availability
[12:36] <head_victim> Hence the applications need to be pretty clear to make it easy for us to see involvement.
[12:37] <linaporras> :o ok Thanks so much... well I don't know if there is some language barrier with kokoye...
[12:37] <kokoye2007> :S
[12:37] <head_victim> linaporras: that's why I was going to hang around afterwards to see if I could help :)
[12:37] <kokoye2007> ok
[12:37] <linaporras> :)
[12:38] <head_victim> #action Membership baord to work with kokoye2007 to prepare application to make it clearer
[12:38] <meetingology> ACTION: Membership baord to work with kokoye2007 to prepare application to make it clearer
[12:38] <head_victim> #topic zequence
[12:38] <head_victim> zequence: can you please introduce yourself to the baord while we read your application
[12:38] <zequence> Yea, so, I'm Kaj Ailomaa, developer for Ubuntu Studio
[12:39] <linaporras> zequence where U from?
[12:39] <zequence> I've originally mostly been interested in improving Ubuntu Studio for audio work, but the more I've become involved, I've started to work in other areas as well
[12:39] <head_victim> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/zequence
[12:39] <zequence> I'm Finnish, living in Sweden
[12:40] <linaporras> :o  :)
[12:40] <zequence> I'm quite active in the development of Ubuntu Studio. Mainly in planning and documentation atm. Will become maintainer of linux-lowlatency
[12:42] <zequence> Right now, I'm working on redoing the Ubuntu Studio landing page, and make sure any page in the wiki having to do with Ubuntu Studio is updated and relevant
[12:42] <linaporras> : zequence you have 4269 karma points
[12:42] <zequence> Sorry, the Ubuntu Studio Wiki landing page
[12:42] <zequence> linaporras: Yea, but it seems making blueprints grants you a lot of points
[12:42] <linaporras> your'e launchpad profile it's awesome
[12:43] <zequence> I do some package maintenance for Ubuntu Studio, but only on a smaller scale still
[12:43] <head_victim> zequence: for those of us who aren't heavily involved, what sort of time commitment is involved in maintaining the lowlevel kernel project?
[12:44] <zequence> It'll mainly be updating the source and make sure it's in sync with linux-generic, but we will also be making small adjustments to the configs, if needed
[12:45] <zequence> I don't think I'll be making any patches any time soon, but it's not totally out of the question either
[12:45] <zequence> The config is mainly what diffs atm
[12:45] <beuno> zequence, keeping it up-to-date is great in itself
[12:45] <beuno> someone has to do it!
[12:46] <beuno> zequence, any concerns about Ubuntu as a project?
[12:48] <zequence> In short, if I would explain how this has an impact on Ubuntu, is in how easy it will be for anyone to create multimedia on Ubuntu. The work is not only focused on Ubuntu Studio, but we also work with developers upstream, Debian Multimedia Team, Ubuntu, as well as the Ubuntu Studio community
[12:48] <zequence> So, we're sort of the administrative link between the applications and the users
[12:48] <zequence> And I'm very much involved in trying to make that work as well as possible
[12:49] <head_victim> zequence: when did your involvement beggin with Ubuntu Studio?
[12:49] <zequence> I think somewhere around 2010, but I've only seriously begun to commit the last 3 cycles
[12:50] <beuno> zequence, any concerns about Ubuntu as a project?
[12:50] <zequence> beuno: Perhaps I did not interpret you right. What do you mean by concerns?
[12:51] <beuno> zequence, things that worry you about the state of the project currently
[12:51] <beuno> or its direction
[12:52] <zequence> As my focus is not on the total scope of Ubuntu, I tend to be mostly concerned with only the multimedia creation side, which does have a lot of issues.
[12:52] <beuno> fair enough
[12:52] <beuno> I think we're ready to vote
[12:53] <beuno> micahg, are you back yet?
[12:53] <head_victim> #voters Pendulum beuno micahg head_victim Destine
[12:53] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum beuno head_victim micahg
[12:53] <beuno> +1 fro me
[12:53] <head_victim> #vote zequence to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:53] <meetingology> Please vote on: zequence to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:53] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[12:53] <beuno> +1 from me
[12:53] <meetingology> +1 from me received from beuno
[12:53] <Destine> +1
[12:53] <meetingology> +1 received from Destine
[12:53] <micahg> +1 good involvement, good leadership
[12:53] <meetingology> +1 good involvement, good leadership received from micahg
[12:53] <head_victim> +1 Your contributions are well documented on launchpad and you have strong testimonials from identifiable sources, keep up the great work with Ubuntu Studio
[12:53] <meetingology> +1 Your contributions are well documented on launchpad and you have strong testimonials from identifiable sources, keep up the great work with Ubuntu Studio received from head_victim
[12:54] <Pendulum> +1
[12:54] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[12:55] <head_victim> #endvote
[12:55] <meetingology> Voting ended on: zequence to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[12:55] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[12:55] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:55] <linaporras> wowow it's seems that zequence was approved, congratulations!!!!!!!!!
[12:55] <hggdh> darn, it is now at 0600 CST!
[12:55] <head_victim> Congratulations zequence, welcome to Ubuntu Membership
[12:55] <zequence> Great! Thanks everyone!
[12:55] <JHOSMAN> Congratulations zequence
[12:55] <Destine> zequence, congratulations!
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Congrats zequence
[12:56] <vibhav> congrats zequence
[12:56] <zequence> JHOSMAN: Destine: smartboyhw: vibhav: Thank you!
[12:57] <JHOSMAN> ;)
[12:57] <kokoye2007> zequence: Congrats
[12:58] <zequence> kokoye2007: Thank you. Sorry for interrupting your applications. Hope to see you as a member soon
[12:59] <kokoye2007> nvm :D zequence carry on
[12:59] <head_victim> Ok we have quorum for continuing, is there a meeting scheduled after this that we're running into?
[13:00]  * vibhav takes a look at the calender
[13:00] <Pendulum> head_victim: not according to the Fridge
[13:01] <head_victim> #topic zequence
[13:01] <head_victim> #topic linaporras
[13:01] <Destine> so we continue.
[13:01] <linaporras> Hi Membership Board, it's a pleasure to be here today, my name is Lina Porras, I'm From Colombia,  I'm 23, and I love Ubuntu, for many reasons, but the most important is: the community, and how each member can learn of the other members. Right now I'm leader of Ubuntu Colombia Community, I consider that my principal activity is introduce new community, the final user is my favorite topic... and you can see more information
[13:01] <head_victim> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/linaporras
[13:02] <head_victim> linaporras: do you have any lnks to the events you've helped out at?
[13:02] <linaporras> oh let me see tha fan page on facebook
[13:03] <JHOSMAN> events for linaporras
[13:03] <JHOSMAN> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/Eventos/CharlaparaPrincipiantesdeUbuntuHackbo201209#preview
[13:03] <JHOSMAN> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2012/Colombia/Bogota/SFDBogota
[13:04] <JHOSMAN> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/Eventos/OneiricReleaseParty
[13:04] <linaporras> And this is our next event: http://ubuntu-co.com/7mo-Aniversario-Ubuntu-Colombia
[13:04] <JHOSMAN> excuseme https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/Eventos/ReleaseParty/QuantalReleaseParty
[13:04] <head_victim> And so linaporras, do you organise these events, run them on the day, help out with marketing?
[13:04] <JHOSMAN> http://flisolbogota.info/
[13:04] <linaporras> the next saturday I will making a conference to introduce Ubuntu in our 7th community anniversary
[13:04] <linaporras> Thansk Jhosman
[13:05] <linaporras> I hel to organize
[13:05] <head_victim> JHOSMAN: thanks very much :)
[13:05] <JHOSMAN> All these events are organized by it: P
[13:05] <linaporras> also  convoque the people trough the mailing list specially
[13:05] <linaporras> and I propose the basic shcema for the event
[13:05] <linaporras> and all the community helps and contribute to make it real
[13:07]  * JHOSMAN She is a key part of our community (UbuntuCO) 
[13:07] <head_victim> linaporras: as someone who's run events locally in the past, I am impressed with the scale of those events described
[13:08] <linaporras> well our community has been growing up
[13:08] <linaporras> in the 2 last years
[13:09] <linaporras> also I have an advantage is tha a I live in Bogotá, which is the capital from Colombia, so we have more people to convoque
[13:09] <JHOSMAN> Among the biggest events organizer was FLISOL Bogota (in Spanish)  http://flisolbogota.info/equipo
[13:10] <linaporras> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/644561_10151190912404931_1657582924_n.jpg
[13:10] <head_victim> #voters Pendulum head_victim Destine hggdh
[13:10] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine Pendulum beuno head_victim hggdh micahg
[13:10] <head_victim> #vote linaporras  to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[13:10] <meetingology> Please vote on: linaporras  to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[13:10] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[13:10] <hggdh> +1 please do not get sick from exaustion
[13:10] <meetingology> +1 please do not get sick from exaustion received from hggdh
[13:10] <head_victim> +1 Great community involvement, good testimonials and nice support in channel. Keep up the great work
[13:10] <meetingology> +1 Great community involvement, good testimonials and nice support in channel. Keep up the great work received from head_victim
[13:10] <Destine> +1 I am very impressed by the events your organized.
[13:10] <meetingology> +1 I am very impressed by the events your organized. received from Destine
[13:11] <Pendulum> +1
[13:11] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[13:11] <JHOSMAN> +1 =) For his work in the community gigantic
[13:11] <head_victim> #endvote
[13:11] <meetingology> Voting ended on: linaporras  to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[13:11] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[13:11] <meetingology> Motion carried
[13:11] <linaporras> :o I'm so exicted, Jhosman your'e a big part of our community. Thanks Ubuntu Membership Board
[13:11] <hggdh> linaporras: bienvenida
[13:12] <head_victim> Congratulations linaporras, keep up the good work in your Loco and like hggdh, don't burn out
[13:12] <head_victim> JHOSMAN: thank you for turning up to show support and for providing the links upon request
[13:12] <linaporras> jejeejje, That's my team said...
[13:12] <Pendulum> linaporras: congrats. Now what do I have to do to convince you to help with Ubuntu Women ;)
[13:12] <Destine> congratulations! and thank you for helping me practicing spanish... by reading.
[13:12] <linaporras> hehehe oh that's the next step
[13:12] <JHOSMAN> Congratulations linaporras This deserves a celebration, with our 7th anniversary
[13:12] <linaporras> oh  yes!!!
[13:13] <kokoye2007> Happy with linaporras
[13:13] <linaporras> Thanks kokoye2007
[13:13] <Destine> linaporras, thank you again for helping me practicing spanish...
[13:14] <linaporras> jeje whenever you want
[13:14] <linaporras> Spanish it's a beautiful language. El español es un lenguaje hermoso
[13:14] <linaporras> and always you can found "new" words...
[13:15] <Destine> linaporras, sorry, don't know what hermoso means... but i do understand the former part.
[13:15] <hggdh> beautiful
[13:15] <linaporras> Maybe there's some time vibhavp membership?
[13:15] <head_victim> #topic vibhav
[13:15] <linaporras> that's the meaning beautiful!!!
[13:16] <Destine> linaporras, got it. hermoso, and hermosa?
[13:16] <hggdh> vibhav: please go ahead
[13:16] <head_victim> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VibhavPant
[13:16] <vibhav> o/
[13:16] <vibhav> My name is Vibhav Pant, I currently live in India. Im 15 and I have been using Ubuntu since 6.04.
[13:16] <vibhav> I had started with my contributions in the 11.04 cycle by traslations. I was later introduced to Development by the Fix-it-Friday initiative that we used to have for the precise cycle. Since then I mainly contribute by Development, translations, helping out with the news team.
[13:17] <vibhav> TO be honest
[13:17] <linaporras> yes hermoso it's for male and things and hermosa it's for female
[13:17] <vibhav> I had entered the community like a (somewhat) brat
[13:18] <vibhav> I was not aware of certain rules and was providing wrong advice
[13:18] <vibhav> to people in #ubuntu
[13:19] <linaporras> :o I like the story about switching to Ubuntu
[13:19] <vibhav> It was then when IdleOne and other superb people who took me aside and explained me everything
[13:19] <kokoye2007> Opps 6.04 long term geeks
[13:20] <vibhav> Anyways, I now lead the Ubuntu Hindi Translation Team
[13:20] <vibhav> During the 12.04 cycle, I had kicked off a "translation drive"
[13:21] <vibhav> In which we aim to correct common translation mistakes our team members commit
[13:21] <linaporras> I like cibhav future plans
[13:22] <vibhav> (Some translated using Google Translate which doesnt do English->Hindi Translation well)
[13:22] <vibhav> linaporras: :)
[13:22] <JHOSMAN> Nice! vibhav
[13:22] <vibhav> There are still incorrect strings left and we aim to finish them by this cycle.
[13:22] <linaporras> and  have 8320  Karma, oh my God... there's some time since a I don't get new karma
[13:23] <linaporras> awesome
[13:23] <JHOSMAN> I remember when I applied to Ubuntu member, you did, do a good job and deserve membership.  vibhav
[13:23] <head_victim> vibhav: in the past there was some criticism of team hopping, have you found some more stable teams to contribute to?
[13:23] <vibhav> yes
[13:24] <vibhav> certainly, I contribute to the Developer Advisory Team (which takes up most of my team), in the mean time I try to help out with deveopment by doing merges, syncs, SRUs, etc
[13:25] <vibhav> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/11/19/new-contributor-feedback-12-10/ and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2012-November/036144.html
[13:26] <vibhav> The above links contain the reports that we have made for the 12.10 cycle
[13:27] <vibhav> (You can also obtain it as a PDF file at http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/d-a-t/12.10Feedback-Contributors.pdf)
[13:27] <vibhav> and Thats all I wanted to say :)
[13:28] <head_victim> vibhav: we're just reviewing the application.
[13:28] <head_victim> We're also trying to ensure that we're happy that you've been able to turn around the previous issues we've had in approving your application.
[13:28] <head_victim> I thank you for getting some updated testimonials in that regard
[13:29] <vibhav> :)
[13:29] <head_victim> It's good to see that you are starting to realise that it's not about how many teams you can join on lp but how you can contribute to the teams you do join. That to me is a big step forward
[13:29] <vibhav> I agree I was certainly not in the correct path eariler. I have tried to correct myself in every way I can
[13:30] <vibhav> head_victim: yes, It took me time to realize that. Quality, not Quntity :)
[13:30] <vibhav> Quantity*
[13:30] <linaporras> wowow this is what I was talking about, how we can grow up with the community
[13:31] <hggdh> vibhav: thank you for that. I do hope you now understand the Way Things Work, even when they sort of fail to
[13:31] <vibhav> exactly
[13:31] <head_victim> vibhav: glad you found some teams to help you understand that :)
[13:31] <head_victim> #vote vibhav to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[13:31] <meetingology> Please vote on: vibhav to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[13:31] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[13:31] <vibhav> linaporras: Indeed. This community has taught me much.
[13:31] <hggdh> +1
[13:31] <meetingology> +1 received from hggdh
[13:31] <Pendulum> +1
[13:31] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[13:31] <JHOSMAN> +1 =)
[13:32] <head_victim> +1 I'm now happy that you appear to have integrated well into the community and have taken feedback on board and improved as a result. I would like to see your efforts continue into the future and look forward to hearing about your work
[13:32] <meetingology> +1 I'm now happy that you appear to have integrated well into the community and have taken feedback on board and improved as a result. I would like to see your efforts continue into the future and look forward to hearing about your work received from head_victim
[13:32] <head_victim> JHOSMAN: only board members can vote :) Sorry
[13:32] <Destine> +1
[13:32] <meetingology> +1 received from Destine
[13:32] <JHOSMAN> One question, why are not my vote count? I Ubuntu Member
[13:33] <Destine> JHOSMAN, you need to be a board member.
[13:33] <JHOSMAN> head_victim https://launchpad.net/~jhosman
[13:33] <hggdh> JHOSMAN: you have to be an Ubuntu member *and* a Membership Board member
[13:33] <JHOSMAN> Ahh ok ;)
[13:33] <head_victim> JHOSMAN: only board members can vote, we accept testimonials from all people in support of applicants though.
[13:33] <head_victim> #endvote
[13:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: vibhav to obtain Ubuntu Membership
[13:33] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[13:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[13:33] <kokoye2007> JHOSMAN:  not sitting Jude :D
[13:33] <vibhav> \o/
[13:33] <JHOSMAN> :P no problem!
[13:33] <hggdh> vibhav: I am glad I can approve you now. Welcome in!
[13:33] <JHOSMAN> Congratulations vibhav =)
[13:33] <head_victim> Congratulations vibhav, welcome to Ubuntu membership
[13:33] <linaporras> Oh yes!!! It's seams that Vibhav has been approved!!!! That's Great, Your'e so young, there¿s many things to contribute, and many places to go and share with other people about Ubuntu
[13:34]  * vibhav hugs everybody
[13:34] <Destine> vibhav, congrats!
[13:34] <vibhav> Thank you!
[13:34] <hggdh> vibhav: keep on the good work, and thank you for all your help
[13:35] <JHOSMAN> Companions, sorry but I must go to work, to spend good day
[13:35] <hggdh> :-)
[13:35] <vibhav> hggdh: Thank YOU. I would hve never known the correct way if you werent there
[13:35] <vibhav> have*
[13:35] <hggdh> we are happy :-)
[13:35] <head_victim> JHOSMAN: thanks for hanging aroudn :0
[13:35] <head_victim> :)
[13:36] <linaporras> I also have to work
[13:36] <linaporras> Has been an honur to be here today
[13:36] <linaporras> I am still exciting
[13:36] <vibhav> linaporras: It is a long road ahead :D
[13:36] <hggdh> linaporras: thank you, and I hope you have an splendid day
[13:36] <linaporras> and also very very happy
[13:36] <linaporras> :)
[13:36] <head_victim> #endmeeting
[13:36] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 21 13:36:39 2012 UTC.
[13:36] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-21-12.02.moin.txt
[13:36] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-21-12.02.html
[13:36] <head_victim> kokoye2007: are you still with us?
[13:36] <linaporras> In Colombia this i'ts the begining of our  work day
[13:37] <head_victim> linaporras: I'm in Australia, it's nearly midnight here :)
[13:37] <hggdh> in the US it is the same
[13:37] <JHOSMAN> :P COlombian Time!
[13:37] <linaporras> :o God
[13:38] <linaporras> In Colombia 08:00
[13:38] <head_victim> Ah, I'm nearly on tomrorow already!
[13:38] <linaporras> oh that's the time magic
[13:38] <linaporras> Thank you so much for your'e time
[13:39] <linaporras> See you in other opportuniy
[13:39] <linaporras> Soon Colombian's team will be posting photos of our aniversary
[13:39] <head_victim> linaporras: thanks for your efforts in your country and congratulations once more to all the successful applicants
[13:39] <linaporras> hope you see it
[13:39] <linaporras> :)
[13:40] <head_victim> Ok well I'll hang aroudn to see if kokoye comes back
[13:40] <head_victim> If anyone else present has questions about membership or it's process I'm here for a bit (as are some of the other baord members)
[13:42] <Destine> head_victim, me as well. but less focused than you. :)
[13:43] <vibhav> hggdh: When will we get added to the team?
[13:43] <kokoye2007> head_victim: meeting is done ?
[13:43] <kokoye2007> dc again :S
[13:43] <vibhav> kokoye2007: yep
[13:44] <head_victim> kokoye2007: yes, we're still here to help
[13:44] <head_victim> DId seeing the other applicants help you udnerstand what we're looking for?
[13:44] <kokoye2007> just spamming head_victim http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-mm/pool
[13:44] <head_victim> Basically we need evidence to support your claims to be readily available so we can process the applications with a minimum of fuss.
[13:44] <kokoye2007> thx head_victim
[13:45] <head_victim> So if you've run events in the past linking a list to them on your application page with a short description of what your involvement was would really help
[13:45] <kokoye2007> i think i can't focus my applications bcz i pass contribute :D
[13:45] <head_victim> We would also like to see that if your main contributions are loco efforts than there should be multiple people in your loco giving you testimonials and mentioning specifics abotu how you contribute
[13:46] <head_victim> So for example "kokoye is great, I went to the event he organised in my local city. There were 20 people there who learnt all about Ubuntu and a good time was had by all"
[13:46] <kokoye2007> bcz now check my event and contribute. but without record :S anyway thx u head_victim
[13:48] <kokoye2007> my record is only photo :S http://www.flickr.com/photos/87236530@N07/8038236817/in/pool-ubuntu-mm head_victim
[13:48] <kokoye2007> thx for your kindly help
[13:48] <head_victim> kokoye2007: photos are great :)
[13:48] <kokoye2007> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonepyae/6285742562/in/pool-ubuntu-mm
[13:48] <head_victim> So is that you giving a lecture?
[13:49] <kokoye2007> yes head_victim
[13:49] <head_victim> Ok cool
[13:49] <head_victim> Was that event listed on the loco portal?
[13:49] <kokoye2007> http://www.flickr.com/photos/87236530@N07/8010380921/in/pool-ubuntu-mm is Barcamp is approve me
[13:49] <kokoye2007> yes head_victim
[13:49] <kokoye2007> :(
[13:50] <head_victim> Cool, wel this shoudl be easy
[13:50] <kokoye2007> it;s a last event http://www.flickr.com/photos/87236530@N07/8038254589/in/pool-ubuntu-mm
[13:50] <head_victim> On your wiki page I'd start a list of contributions
[13:51] <kokoye2007> now try to next event at City ICT show and Ubuntu Distribution and Introdution
[13:51] <head_victim> And what I'd do is say "This is a photo of me presenting at *insert event name and link to loco.ubuntu.com event* - *link to photo*"
[13:52] <kokoye2007> Nov 23 is 4th yrs (since 2009)
[13:52] <kokoye2007> thx head_victim
[13:52] <head_victim> Ok, so the criteria for membership is significant and sustained. So looking at those photos I'd say that's significant effort to get that many people to an event. So all you need to do is show that that effort is sustained.
[13:53] <head_victim> Have you continued to run events or are they all from 2009?
[13:53] <kokoye2007> now our country at Ubuntu is most popular
[13:54] <kokoye2007> but M$ Windows is Many user but next 2013 last Weeks at move of 30% us change to Ubuntu (with me)
[13:54] <kokoye2007> start from 2009
[13:54] <kokoye2007> last event is 17-18 Nov
[13:54] <kokoye2007> next event is 23-24 Nov
[13:54] <hggdh> zequence, vibhav, linaporras: I have added you as members of the ubuntumembers LP team
[13:55] <kokoye2007> nice zequence vibhav for Happy
[13:55] <head_victim> kokoye2007: well that is great :)
[13:56] <kokoye2007> http://www.flickr.com/photos/87236530@N07/8038236817/in/pool-ubuntu-mm is 12.10 Promotion and Training
[13:57] <kokoye2007> now we open Un-Official Ubuntu Office for Myanmar
[13:57] <head_victim> So if you could get a few of your events listed to show how you've been involved (organising, presenting, attending)  and the photos that would be great
[13:58] <kokoye2007> free dvd iso internet access for ubuntu user / beginner / dev; head_victim
[13:58] <kokoye2007> all event is host by me and my friend (i mean never without me)
[13:58] <head_victim> If you could then get a few of the loco team members to support the application and vouch for your efforts that would make it even easier
[13:59] <kokoye2007> it's just Core Member http://www.flickr.com/photos/87236530@N07/8005859035/in/pool-ubuntu-mm
[13:59] <head_victim> It sounds to me like you're definitely a suitable candidate so we just need to be able to see that more clearly.
[14:00] <Pendulum> kokoye2007: also, if your LoCo members don't know English, it's okay for them to write their testimonials in a language they do know :)
[14:00] <head_victim> Google translate is my friend, I have no idea what language lina's application details were in but google translate gave it to me in words I understood
[14:00] <kokoye2007> it's Ok ?
[14:00] <kokoye2007> i can't approve our loco member
[14:01] <kokoye2007> :(
[14:01] <kokoye2007> it's a wrong ?
[14:01] <vibhav> head_victim: What about the @ubuntu.com email address?
[14:01] <kokoye2007> google is can't translate our language bro
[14:02] <head_victim> vibhav: that's automatic but can take a couple of days. It's linked to your launchpad account name
[14:02] <kokoye2007> now testimonials is only other country or other team
[14:02] <head_victim> kokoye2007: enough to get the gist of the message through usually
[14:03] <head_victim> kokoye2007: do you think I've been able to explain what it is we're looking for a bit better?
[14:03] <head_victim> I'm just making sure I've made sense
[14:03] <head_victim> If it is a lot clearer now what I was going to suggest was that you revise your application on the wiki page and then send it to me (or the board mailing list) so we can review it and provide more feedback if needed.
[14:03] <kokoye2007> so can  testimonials from our country / our loco team member
[14:03] <kokoye2007> ?
[14:04] <head_victim> kokoye2007: yes, anyone who can provide evidence that what you say you have done has actually been done is great
[14:04] <kokoye2007> ohh my god, head_victim thx u i am wrong thinking :S
[14:05] <head_victim> We do like for people to sign the testimonials so we can verify who they are
[14:05] <vibhav> head_victim: ah, thanks!
[14:05] <Pendulum> kokoye2007: we'd love testimonials from your country/LoCo team members. Also, we can find people to translate if we need to (since I think what you've been saying is that Google translate doesn't have most of the language(s) your LoCo members know)
[14:05] <kokoye2007> so i can try next meeting or waiting time
[14:05] <kokoye2007>  ?
[14:05] <kokoye2007> thx for helpful with head_victim
[14:06] <head_victim> kokoye2007: I"m happy for you to reapply when you're ready, if that's next month that's great.
[14:06] <Pendulum> I agree with head_victim :)
[14:06] <head_victim> kokoye2007: please feel free to email me - jarednorris@ubuntu.com if you want me to have another look at the application before the next meeting
[14:06] <kokoye2007> thx head_victim Pendulum sorry for my poor language
[14:06] <kokoye2007> see ya at next meeting :S
[14:06] <vibhav> kokoye2007: Theres always a next chance. You contributions were perfect, all you need is a better way to represent yourself
[14:06] <head_victim> kokoye2007: no don't worry about language, we're just sorry we didn't explain it well on the wiki that you understood it to start with
[14:07] <kokoye2007> vibhav: thx for favor ;)
[14:07] <Pendulum> kokoye2007: if you want another eye past head_victim's I'm also reachable at pendulum@ubuntu.com :)
[14:07] <kokoye2007> ha ha i add to contact list :P private list
[14:07] <kokoye2007> :D
[14:07] <Pendulum> sorry, that was probably a bit too full of English sayings. If you want even more feedback, is all I meant :)
[14:08] <kokoye2007> ok see ya next meeting i am hungry and sorry about my self :S
[14:08] <kokoye2007> good bye take care Pendulum head_victim vibhav see ya
[14:10] <andresmmujica> Hi, I wasn't able to connect earlier.. anyone knows if linaporras was accepted as an Ubuntu Member ?
[14:11] <head_victim> andresmmujica: she was successful :)
[14:11] <andresmmujica> ohhh nice!!!  she really is a great asset for Ubuntu!!!
[14:11]  * andresmmujica dances
[14:11] <andresmmujica> bye thank you head_victim !!
[14:11] <head_victim> andresmmujica: we agree :) She looks like she's working hard in the loco over there
[14:11] <head_victim> andresmmujica: see you later :)
[14:12] <andresmmujica> head_victim: totally. She works really hard, she is totally committed, I'm really happy thanks!
[14:12] <andresmmujica> bye everyone
[15:58] <ogra_> foople
[15:58] <barry> mott the foople
[16:00] <cjwatson> bingely bingely bong
[16:01] <cjwatson> lots of people on holiday, and infinity sent apologies
[16:01] <cjwatson> actually not as many on holiday as I expected, looks like just Steve and Brian
[16:02] <cjwatson> #startmeeting
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Nov 21 16:02:07 2012 UTC.  The chair is cjwatson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <cjwatson> #topic lightning round
[16:02] <cjwatson> $ echo $(shuf -e barry cjwatson ev doko ogra_ jodh stgraber xnox stokachu)
[16:02] <cjwatson> stgraber ev barry stokachu jodh cjwatson xnox ogra_ doko
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Upstart
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Spent some time talking with James and Dmitrijs talking about the plan for the Session Init work
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Implemented a basic upstart-dconf-bridge at: lp:~stgraber/upstart/upstart-dconf-bridge
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Container
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Reviewed a bunch of merge proposals and patches on the upstream mailing-list.
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Had a look at the early implementation of the syslog namespace by Serge.
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Wrote a script to run Steam under LXC: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/11/16/running-steam-in-a-lxc-container/
[16:03] <stgraber>  - QA Tracker
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Did a bunch of optimization work on how the tracker loads its various plugins.
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Redesigned landing page (milestones list) to be filtered by javascript and show milestones grouped by series.
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Added a new testsuites list per balloons' request
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Fixed a bunch more php errors, now replaced by nice 404s :)
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Other
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Helped the security team by extracting all my SecureBoot keys out of my system (ended up being much more tricky than expected).
[16:03] <stgraber>   - sssd was broken by a new ldb upload, breaking authentication on most of my systems.
[16:03] <stgraber>   - The new linux-libc-dev broke libnl breaking the sssd rebuild I had to do.
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Had to patch libnl to cope with some defines rename in the 3.7 kernel, then managed to rebuild sssd and login on my systems again.
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Uploaded the new sudo upstream release including sssd support.
[16:03] <stgraber>  - Installer
[16:03] <stgraber>   - Fixed casper which was trying to boot an ltsp chroot instead of a the livefs on Edubuntu.
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Investigated bug 1079266 and bug 1077598. Was suspecting a Wubi 10.04 to Wubi 12.04 upgrade issue but that's not the case.
[16:04] <stgraber>     Tried to reproduce with identical package list, still without any luck. Will have to ask for more information...
[16:04] <stgraber>  - Release
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Filed RT ticket to get scripting access to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes from nusakan.
[16:04] <stgraber>  - TODO
[16:04] <stgraber>   - Look at jodh's upstart specs.
[16:04] <stgraber> (DONE)
[16:04] <ev> - Short week. I took holiday on Monday to move into my new house. \o/
[16:04] <ev> - Removed the dependency on archive.admin.canonical.com so hazmat can
[16:04] <ev>   debug the juju issue in the daisy and rabbitmq charms.
[16:04] <ev> - Attended an Acunu webinar on Hailo's use of Cassandra, specifically
[16:04] <ev>   Analytics. Lots of really good points on how to best decide when to NIH a
[16:04] <ev>   tool or pick up a product.
[16:04] <ev> - Uploaded fixed activity-log-manager to quantal and precise (LP: #993056).
[16:04] <ev> - Fixed up my branch to add openid authentication to
[16:04] <ev>   http://errors.ubuntu.com/oops-local and submitted it to webops.
[16:04] <ev> - Finally finished verifying the USB disk for the shop.
[16:04] <ev> - Picked back up my compiz branch for spawning apport when applications hang.
[16:04] <ev> - Started looking at package installation failures as an error type again.
[16:04] <ev>   We're collecting these right now (5883 total reports on 09/11/12), and we are
[16:04] <ev>   in fact bucketing them: http://tinyurl.com/blsqa3a
[16:04] <ev> - Mail to Steve and Matthew on conffile prompts as errors.
[16:04] <ev> - Fix to apport for fsync'ing upstart reports, per our email discussion:
[16:04] <ev>   https://code.launchpad.net/~ev/apport/fsync-upstart-crashes/+merge/135134
[16:04] <ev> - UDS survey.
[16:04] <ev> - Teaching daisy retracer code to use a squid cache, rather than locally
[16:04] <ev>   caching the debs. The previous behavior was a significant part of the
[16:04] <ev>   retracer disk space growth. With this change, the webops team should be
[16:04] <ev>   getting fewer weekend pages to clear the caches.
[16:04] <ev> - Attempting to fix having separate application thread crash dialogs:
[16:04] <ev>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1033902
[16:04] <ev>   The simple approach is to see if the pid is still around by the time
[16:04] <ev>   apport-gtk gets the error report, but I want to make sure that's not racey.
[16:04] <ev> (done)
[16:05] <barry> tox packaging for debian (in the new queue now, will be synced to ubuntu when that lands). worked on virtualenv 1.8.2, but that isn't compatible with python 3.3, so worked with upstream to get a 1.8.3 which is Python 3.3 compatible (might even land today).  distribute 0.6.30, for Python 3.3 compatibility.  python-oauthlib 0.3.4.  python bug 16514 (sys.path import regression in Python 3.3).  more investigation on bug #1061149.  merge
[16:05] <barry> proposal for bug #1077083 (piston-mini-client -> oauthlib).  preliminary review of pykde4 plugin system for porting to py3.  dmb meeting.  upgraded main dev box to raring.  off this thu and fri for usa thanksgiving holiday.  done.
[16:05] <stokachu> bug 932860 needs sru review
[16:05] <stokachu> bug 1077095 needs sru review
[16:05] <stokachu> bug 967091 needs sru review
[16:05] <stokachu> (done)
[16:06] <jodh> * upstart:
[16:06] <jodh>   - fixed bug 1079710.
[16:06] <jodh>   - fixed bug 1079715 and raised MP.
[16:06] <jodh>   - completed work on SRU bug 980917 and uploaded to precise-proposed.
[16:06] <jodh>   - spec wrangling with stgraber + xnox (and a loooong meeting ;-):
[16:06] <cjwatson> stgraber: SB keys> Have you been able to use this to get anywhere with debugging shim?
[16:06] <jodh>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/RaringUpstartUserSessions
[16:06] <jodh> * TODO:
[16:06] <jodh>   - rework branch and discuss dbus_connection_open_from_fd() with D-Bus upstream.
[16:06] <jodh>   - resolve Upstart namespacing design (as currently being discussed on
[16:07] <jodh>     the mailing lists).
[16:07] <jodh>   - start work on implementing spec above with stgraber + xnox.
[16:07] <jodh> ⍾
[16:07] <stokachu> lol mario bros?
[16:08] <cjwatson> ev: congrats on the new house
[16:08] <cjwatson> Still working on Secure Boot backports to 12.04.2.  debian-installer mostly done (in ppa:cjwatson/ppa), but GRUB is reporting spurious out-of-memory errors, so I've had to sidetrack into investigating that.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Worked on cross-autobuilder.
[16:08] <cjwatson>  * Mainly involved teaching myself lots about juju.
[16:08] <cjwatson>  * This now works and, with four sbuild units attached, can build - or fail to build - quantal+raring main for armhf in around a day.
[16:08] <stgraber> cjwatson: not yet, but now that I have a working efivars filesystem, I should be able to add entries to the db while in setup mode, which should let me do local builds of the shim and use that for testing. Will add that to my todo, can hopefully spend some time on it this week
[16:08] <cjwatson>  * About 27% of quantal main cross-builds; raring has regressed slightly, at 26.7%.
[16:08] <cjwatson>  * Next step is to arrange to publish the results.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Patch pilot half-day on Friday.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Detailed discussion with Martin and Jean-Baptiste of plans for proposed-migration/autopkgtest integration.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Fixed various build failures: debian-installer, mpdris2, prelude-manager.
[16:08] <cjwatson> Fixed most of python-apt's autopkgtest failures.  Martin fixed the last bits.
[16:09] <cjwatson> Fixed a mismerge of a cross-build-dependency handling patch in apt.
[16:09] <cjwatson> Marked gnome-desktop3-data Multi-Arch: foreign, spotted in cross-autobuilder results.
[16:09] <cjwatson> Rearranged cdimage to make it safe to build for multiple series in parallel (rather belatedly).  Spent some of today tracking down a consequential failure.
[16:09] <cjwatson> ..
[16:09] <xnox> * investigating bug 988055
[16:09] <xnox> reproduced on lucid and got valgrind output with debug symbols
[16:09] <xnox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1374772/
[16:09] <xnox> Reading that I am a bit lost between rpcsecgss, libgluegss & krb5.
[16:09] <xnox> Each layer seems to allocate memory on initial connection and I am
[16:09] <xnox> failing to trace where it is not freed.
[16:10] <xnox> * Devices FS: flashbench is now in raring & profiled my sd-cards/memory sticks.
[16:10] <xnox> got back f2fs i386/amd64 from ogasawara, the arm builds failed.
[16:10] <xnox> TODO benchmark aligned f2fs on i386/amd64 & investigate arm FTBFS
[16:10] <xnox> * ongoing upstart user sessions discussions
[16:10] <xnox> * finished clucene transition (3 packages) britney output should be
[16:10] <xnox> smaller now
[16:10] <xnox> * bug 837064 / rt 55554 is in progress of being deployed. A deployment
[16:10] <xnox> was attempted on the lucid-based host, which failed because my patch
[16:10] <xnox> was targeting quantal's psycopg2. Now fixed & pending redeployment.
[16:10] <stokachu> xnox: join the clue on that rpc mess
[16:10] <xnox> * mdadm merge is in progress.
[16:10] <xnox> * plymouth needs a rebuild against (now in raring)
[16:10] <xnox> libdrm_nouveau2. But it FTBFS bug 1081613.
[16:10] <xnox> ..
[16:10] <stokachu> club*
[16:10] <xnox> stokachu: i have a rabit hole diagram in my notepad. I am suspecting it will be rpcsecgss in the end.
[16:11] <ogra_> done:
[16:11] <ogra_>  * nexus7 images are available under http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ (still a bit buggy but soon to be fully usable)
[16:11] <ogra_>  * various ac100-tarball-installer fixes (need to drop the arch name soon and make it more generic)
[16:11] <ogra_>  * started working on an ubuntu-default-settings-nexus7 package
[16:11] <ogra_>  * more plymouth debugging
[16:11] <ogra_> todo:
[16:11] <stokachu> xnox: if i get some free time ill keep looking into it as well
[16:11] <ogra_>  * set up a regular meeting for discussing the remaining WIs of https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-reduced-power-ram
[16:11] <ogra_>  * flash-kernel fixes
[16:11] <ogra_> ..
[16:13] <ev> cjwatson: thanks!
[16:13] <doko> - mostly a GCC week
[16:13] <doko> - getting the target specific bits into upstream, only outstanding are alpha, ia
[16:13] <doko> 64, m68k
[16:13] <doko> - packaged gcc-4.8, updated all local patches, new runtime libraries libatomic a
[16:13] <doko> nd libasan
[16:13] <stokachu> cjwatson: i really need to get the appmenu-gtk m-a sru'd as soon as possible if anyone could help me out
[16:13] <doko> - found out the 4.8 build is broken when making -Wformat-security the default
[16:13] <doko> - found out the 4.8 build is broken with -fstack-protector on armhf and powerpc
[16:13] <doko> (PR53475)
[16:13] <doko> - prepared backports of the multiarch patches for upstream inclusion
[16:13] <doko> - llvm-3.2 in raring, fixed clang ftbfs
[16:13] <doko> - binutils update
[16:13] <stokachu> the other 2 are not so important
[16:13] <doko> (done)
[16:14] <cjwatson> stokachu: fair enough, I'll take another look
[16:14] <stokachu> thanks :D
[16:14] <doko> s/bits/multiarch bits/
[16:14] <cjwatson> will have to refresh my memory of the previous go-around
[16:15] <cjwatson> #topic bugs
[16:15] <cjwatson> Brian's not here, but anything else people want to particularly raise?  Otherwise we can finish early :-)
[16:15] <stokachu> cjwatson: i basically used your suggestion but did it in a way that conf files were not conflicting during parallel installs
[16:17] <cjwatson> ok, I'll take a look
[16:17]  * ogra_ has bug 1080747
[16:18] <ogra_> i'm not really sure what to do with it, the livefs builder doesnt know anything about the build name when rolling the rootfs
[16:18] <cjwatson> You'll need a .disk directory somewhere or similar
[16:18] <ogra_> i could just randomly dump a unix timestamp into some file i guess but that seems ugly
[16:18] <cjwatson> It doesn't and can't belong in the livefs
[16:19] <ogra_> well, i have nothing processing that
[16:19] <ogra_> its either rootfs or initrd i can put stuff in
[16:19] <ogra_> and by design they come finished out of live-build
[16:19] <cjwatson> well in that case I guess the livefs builder may have to invent its own build ids ...
[16:19] <ogra_> thats my prob with this bug :)
[16:20] <ogra_> so unix timestamp into some fiel then, ok
[16:20] <ogra_> *file
[16:20] <ogra_> thx
[16:20] <cjwatson> unix timestamp is a bit unfriendly.  I'd use YYYYMMDD HH:MM:SS or some such
[16:20] <ogra_> k
[16:20] <cjwatson> that way it at least stands a chance of corresponding approximately to something on cdimage
[16:20] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[16:21] <cjwatson> try to make it look as much like other media-info files as you can, if possible
[16:21] <ogra_> tehoretically cdimage should know what it will become in the end, no ?
[16:21] <ogra_> we coudl look it up in advance and hand it to the live builder as BuildLiveCD arg
[16:21] <ogra_> (not for now, but as a general fix)
[16:22] <xnox> ... as long as ubuntu-bug ubiquity works and hands over a sensible id that we can identify all is fine.
[16:23] <ogra_> i'll use the std apport path /var/log/installer/media-info
[16:23] <cjwatson> not with the way buildlive is currently (mis)designed
[16:23] <ogra_> so apport will even pick it up
[16:23] <cjwatson> it runs before cdimage has picked a build id
[16:23] <ogra_> cjwatson, well, good for the next redesign then :)  i didnt mean we need it now, a hack will do for me
[16:27] <cjwatson> anything else?
[16:27] <ogra_> not here
[16:27] <xnox>  bug 1081613 that I mentioned, but it's not urgent.
[16:27] <cjwatson> yeah, I was hoping to constructively ignore that until Steve is back ;-)
[16:27] <xnox> simply britney prints 8000 package uninstallable because of libdrm
[16:28] <ogra_> we need to update plymouth to 0.8.5 anyway
[16:28] <xnox> so if anyone wants short britney output.... feel free to update plymouth =)
[16:28] <ogra_> slangasek said it wouldnt be an easy merge though, seems we package our own upstream
[16:29] <xnox> there was a proposal with 0.8.6.1 but it's not a clean debdiff.
[16:32] <cjwatson> OK, sounds like that's everything for now, thanks all
[16:32] <cjwatson> #endmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 21 16:32:14 2012 UTC.
[16:32] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-21-16.02.moin.txt
[16:32] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-21-16.02.html
[16:32]  * ogra_ commented
[16:32] <barry> cjwatson: thanks
[16:32] <ogra_> thanks cjwatson
[16:32] <ev> thanks
[16:33]  * cjwatson re-enters GRUB memory management hell
[16:33] <ev> heh
[16:33] <jodh> thanks
[16:33] <xnox> cheers
[16:33] <stgraber> thanks
[17:00] <Riddell> #startmeeting
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[17:00] <yofel_> o/
[17:00] <ScottK> \o
[17:00] <Riddell> hi friends, who here for a Kubuntu meeting?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> just arrived
[17:01] <Riddell> harald has put a bunch of items on the agenda but isn't here
[17:02] <BluesKaj> uhoh , gotta go ... wife just reminded me of our band meeting in less than an hr ...later gents
[17:02] <Riddell> #topic raring UDS work items
[17:03] <Riddell> a smallish meeting then
[17:03] <Riddell> who's all read the work items?
[17:03] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-raring-flavor-kubuntu
[17:04] <Riddell> or should I reschedule if it's just me and ScottK from the council?
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> (I'm here too)
[17:04] <Riddell> oh yes sorry
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[17:04]  * agateau is here for the meeting as well (but not from council)
[17:04] <JontheEchidna> Do we have a set quorum for these meetings?
[17:04] <Riddell> 3 council members on votes
[17:05] <ScottK> So we're good then.
[17:05] <ScottK> Let's go.
[17:05] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-deferred
[17:05] <Riddell> anything anyone doesn't understand there?
[17:05] <Riddell> last time we had some work items that 6 months later we'd forgotten entirely what they mean
[17:06] <ScottK> ScottK's unique konsole string isn't an issue for raring.
[17:06] <ScottK> It's upstream in 4.10.
[17:06]  * ScottK fixes
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> ^was about to ask about that
[17:07] <Riddell> we might still have some other patched in strings?
[17:07] <ScottK> Yes.
[17:07] <ScottK> We do.  I didn't remove the whole item, just that bit.
[17:07] <Riddell> groovy
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> py3kde kcontrol integration is still relevant
[17:08]  * ScottK has no idea about steveriley's item, but as long as he does.
[17:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes, that's why it's there
[17:08] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think I have a volunteer as well.
[17:08] <yofel> isn't the kuser work item and the one below it pretty much the same thing?
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> nice
[17:08] <yofel> ScottK: samba in win7 is weird and has more than one group, needs some investigation
[17:08] <JontheEchidna> at the very least, the kuser vs. userconfig comparison doesn't seem very actionable as a work item
[17:09] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[17:09] <ScottK> I'd say delete the comparison one
[17:09] <ScottK> afiestas is going to do a rewrite, so it's OBE.
[17:10] <Riddell> Quintasan: ok?
[17:10] <Riddell> I guess he's not here
[17:10] <Riddell> ok removed
[17:10] <ScottK> It'd still be groovy for him to help with design of the rewrite.
[17:11] <Riddell> that's why it's not allocated just to him :)
[17:11] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-packaging
[17:11] <Riddell> I'll change KDE SC 4.10 to INPROGRESS
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> looks like canonical's Qt5 packages are now based on debian's
[17:13] <Riddell> "Investigate with Cédric Bellegarde about packaging appmenu kded" that's actually part of sc 4.10
[17:13] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh interesting
[17:13] <ScottK> Possibly related to why fabo's work item on packaging Qt5 flipped to in progress.
[17:14] <Riddell> ok that all seems uncontrovertial
[17:14] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-development
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> what's the bit about simon and a proprietary library?
[17:15] <Riddell> simon uses a proprietary library for something but it's optional
[17:15] <Riddell> so should be fine to package (as far as we could work out in the session)
[17:15] <Tm_T> "something"?
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> is it dsfg-compliant as it stands right now?
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> *dfsg
[17:15] <jussi> Im here!
[17:15] <yofel> hm, isn't the touchpad KCM work item from the deferred list a dup of the synaptics work item from packaging?
[17:15] <Tm_T> jussi: yes you are!
[17:16] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it's not packaged
[17:16] <Riddell> yofel: yes quite probably
[17:16] <fabo> ScottK: that's right, zoltan is working with me on them and push on qt5 edgers ppa
[17:16] <Riddell> fabo: great
[17:16] <shadeslayer> in order to use the proprietary lib, you also need to sign up on some site
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> oh, I thought it was packaged for some reason...
[17:17] <shadeslayer> atleast that's what came up during the session
[17:17] <fabo> Riddell: the deadline is by the end of the month
[17:17] <yofel> shadeslayer: mind if I drop your old touchpad kcm work item? we seem to have 2 new ones
[17:18] <fabo> they should be ready for upload to the official archive
[17:18] <shadeslayer> sure
[17:18] <Riddell> yofel: go for it, he can steal it back if he wants to
[17:18] <yofel> done
[17:18] <Riddell> I'll be impressed if the ibus item gets done
[17:19] <yofel> hm, development has a 3rd touchpad kcm work item
[17:19] <jussi> Thats pretty important though, isnt it?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:20] <Riddell> yofel: everyone wants to get in on the act
[17:20] <yofel> sure, except one's assigned to ScottK, one to kubuntu-dev and the last to afiestas
[17:21] <ScottK> Feel free to do anything assigned to me.
[17:21] <yofel> noted
[17:21] <Quintasan> uhh
[17:21] <Riddell> let's have only 1 on packaging
[17:21] <Riddell> yofel: you editing or shall I?
[17:21]  * Quintasan is totally late
[17:22] <yofel> Riddell: I'm not editing anything right now
[17:22] <Quintasan> One item less for me? Sound fine.
[17:23] <Riddell> ok
[17:23] <yofel> well, we all know that you're busy with maliit :P
[17:23] <Riddell> steveriley have bravely volunteered for all the docs
[17:23] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-docs
[17:23]  * Quintasan orders a round of applause for Steve
[17:23] <Riddell> jussi: you can take the credit on that mailing list item if you want
[17:24] <jussi> hehe, yeah, i did that...
[17:24] <jussi> but it was all of like 3 minutes work
[17:25] <Riddell> nothing too major on images
[17:25] <Riddell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-images
[17:25] <Riddell> except we want nexus images
[17:25] <Tm_T> jussi: work nonetheless
[17:25] <jussi> Ive still a question, they asked us to put it on our council wiki page, but all I could find was this: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Council which says i shouldnt change it...
[17:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: I try talk one nexus7 for myself, then there's one real-life testing going on when we get the image rolling
[17:26] <Quintasan> Nexus images eh?
[17:26] <jussi> I would do some nexus tessting if one was given, Im more than interested, but my funds are limited at the moment. so if a lend comes up, let me know.
[17:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: AFAIR ogra_ said it would be possible to spin Kubuntu images as long as we get the seed fixed
[17:27] <Riddell> jussi: feel free to add in an introduction with the link to that and the launchpad team
[17:27] <jussi> hrm?
[17:27] <yofel> Quintasan: we do currently have omap4 dailies for raring do we need anything else?
[17:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: yep, we hope he will
[17:28] <Quintasan> yofel: OMAP4 != Tegra 3 AFAIR
[17:28] <yofel> ah
[17:28] <Quintasan> but don't quote me on that
[17:28] <ogra-cb_> kubuntu active nexus7 dailies are planned, but we are currently a) not even having ubuntu ones (should be finished this week) and b) are massively short on buildd time
[17:28] <Quintasan> since I'm not really knowlegable on that matter
[17:29] <Quintasan> ogra-cb_: I can imagine that
[17:29] <ogra-cb_> we onlz have a single live builder for arm, while work is going on to abuse the package builders dynamically for that it wasnt scheduled for early raring
[17:29] <Riddell> thanks ogra-cb_, we're not wanting to rush it :)
[17:30] <ogra-cb_> what i coudl offer in the beginning (since all other flavours asked too) would probably be something with a lower frequency than daily
[17:30] <Quintasan> ogra-cb_: What Riddell said, besides there is still some work to do before we even start thinking about images IMO
[17:30] <ogra-cb_> so that no flavour has to come short
[17:30] <Quintasan> like Active 3 packaging and more importantly - fixing the seed
[17:30] <ogra-cb_> k
[17:31] <Riddell> which brings us onto https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-active
[17:31] <ogra-cb_> well, ubuntu dailies should be ready from end of the week, then i will have time to help with other flavours
[17:31] <Riddell> rbelem actually popped up last night and said he wants to get back into it
[17:31] <ogra-cb_> just give me a shout once you want them
[17:31] <Quintasan> ogra-cb_: Will do
[17:32] <ScottK> ogra-cb_: Thanks.
[17:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: do you know what upstream's consideration of mallit is?
[17:32] <Riddell> maliit
[17:33] <Quintasan> You might want to rephrase that since I'm not sure what you actually want to know
[17:33] <shadeslayer> Aaron said that maliit is what active will use
[17:33] <Riddell> Quintasan: do plasma-active have any maliit integration?
[17:33] <Riddell> groovy
[17:34] <Riddell> so any more comments on the work items?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> came up when I asked him about plasma keyboards ...
[17:35] <Riddell> if there's no more comments we can vote
[17:35] <jussi> Riddell: [kubuntu-dev] create good communications with plasma active upstream: TODO
[17:35] <jussi> what are we actually doing there?
[17:35] <Riddell> jussi: requested by afiestas
[17:35] <jussi> How are we acheiving it?
[17:35] <Riddell> well if I was packaging active I'd join the channel and talk to developers as I tested it
[17:36] <Quintasan> I suggested to mikhas that we push maliit into Debian as well but that's another matter and I will have to ask ScottK if he can help with that
[17:36] <Quintasan> But that has to wait until I'm done with the package itself
[17:36] <afiestas> jussi: that point came out because it seems that there are soime tricky parts when packaging active
[17:36] <afiestas> and we had no idea about those tricks,  we should askj :p and not be ashame of asking xd
[17:37] <Riddell> #vote agree on work items for kubuntu raring
[17:37] <meetingology> Please vote on: agree on work items for kubuntu raring
[17:37] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[17:37] <jussi> afiestas: ok, I am just trying to understand what the route to getting to [done] is
[17:37] <ScottK> +1
[17:37] <meetingology> +1 received from ScottK
[17:37] <Riddell> +1
[17:37] <meetingology> +1 received from Riddell
[17:37] <jussi> +1
[17:37] <meetingology> +1 received from jussi
[17:37] <shadeslayer> +1
[17:37] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ?
[17:37] <meetingology> +1 received from shadeslayer
[17:37] <afiestas> jussi: simply by not being shy and asking questions when needed should be enough
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> +1
[17:37] <meetingology> +1 received from JontheEchidna
[17:37] <jussi> afiestas: ok, good
[17:37] <Riddell> #endvote
[17:37] <meetingology> Voting ended on: agree on work items for kubuntu raring
[17:37] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:37] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:38] <Riddell> yay, I worked out how to use the bot
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> ^action item GET :P
[17:38] <Riddell> #topic membership
[17:38] <shadeslayer> hehe
[17:38] <Riddell> we have a membership applications
[17:38] <Riddell> from afiestas
[17:38] <Quintasan> Woah
[17:38] <jussi> oh god no... not him!! :P
[17:38] <Riddell> afiestas: who are you and why do you want to be a kubuntu member?
[17:39]  * Quintasan throws bricks at jussi
[17:39] <Quintasan> Sssh!
[17:39] <afiestas> My name is Àlex Fiestas (Alejandro Fiestas Olivares legally, you know spanish long names xD)
[17:39] <afiestas> I'm a KDE developer, working on different areas such hardware integration, kdelibs, and some other miscelania
[17:40] <afiestas> because of the state of KDE4 hardware integration I felt forced to empower my communication with distributions af ew years back, basically reviewing how distros were packaging my software and try to make it work best in all of them (specially bluedevilk and networkmanagement)
[17:40] <Riddell> time to quiz afiestas
[17:40] <afiestas> from that, I became fond of Kubuntu, felt welcomed here, etc :)
[17:41] <afiestas> oh, why I want to become a kubuntu member
[17:41] <jussi> afiestas: what do you feel you do specifically for kubuntu? (as opposed to general kde work)
[17:41] <afiestas> I have been collaborating with Kubuntu for a few years now, 4/5 uds helping to improve the collaboration and communication between what's know as upstream and downstream
[17:42] <ScottK> Plus he had dinner with us when UDS was in Barcelona.
[17:42] <afiestas> I do Kubuntu testing (as I said before, specially checking my software) and try to give as much feedback as possible, and being as annoying as possible
[17:42]  * Quintasan likes the latter part of that statement
[17:42] <jussi> very important that :P
[17:43] <Riddell> afiestas: how well do we compare to other distros as a faithful implementation of KDE?
[17:44] <afiestas> the distribution doing more QA, and the more stable is opensuse imho, they have people getting paid to do that (afaik), we have been able to seen this specialy in Kontact or in networkmanagement in the past (where they had ppl working)
[17:44] <afiestas> suse though is spoiled by YAST, so they are not offering a KDE experience but their own
[17:45] <Riddell> yeah QA goes well with community only people but only to a point
[17:45] <afiestas> Kubuntu in the other side had a dark past full of patches, but nowdays you have the moto of being "As much as KDE as possible" being the only ones shipping with rekonq for example
[17:45] <Riddell> it's why canonical has been upping the QA on ubuntu
[17:45] <afiestas> which makes Kubuntu right now one of the "purest" KDE experencie
[17:45] <jussi> afiestas: is there anything in particular you have mind to achieve in the future with us? Any particular goals?
[17:45] <afiestas> jussi: yes, quite a few
[17:45] <buzzmandt> I love rekonq, it's so almost there
[17:46] <afiestas> I want Kubuntu to become the reference distribution for developers, it MUST be the tool I can recommend to others to start
[17:46] <afiestas> I want to improve QA, by making developers check their software in Kubuntu, as I did with bluedevil and proven to be helpful
[17:47] <afiestas> I want to help with a different (not packager, not community but developer) PoV in all processes I'm now critic with
[17:47] <afiestas> like for example, STAGING, updates, etc
[17:48] <Riddell> #vote afiestas for kubuntu member
[17:48] <meetingology> Please vote on: afiestas for kubuntu member
[17:48] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[17:48] <Riddell> +1
[17:48] <meetingology> +1 received from Riddell
[17:48] <ScottK> +1
[17:48] <meetingology> +1 received from ScottK
[17:48] <jussi> +1
[17:48] <meetingology> +1 received from jussi
[17:48] <buzzmandt> +1
[17:48] <meetingology> +1 received from buzzmandt
[17:48] <ScottK> buzzmandt: Only Kubutu Council can vote on this.
[17:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: nudge
[17:48] <xnox> +1
[17:48] <meetingology> +1 received from xnox
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> sorry!
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> +1
[17:48] <meetingology> +1 received from JontheEchidna
[17:49]  * xnox trolling =)
[17:49] <Riddell> #endvote
[17:49] <meetingology> Voting ended on: afiestas for kubuntu member
[17:49] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:49] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:49] <JontheEchidna> :P
[17:49] <Riddell> afiestas: welcome in!
[17:49]  * Quintasan throws confetti at afiestas
[17:49] <jussi> afiestas: welcome!
[17:49] <Quintasan> Grats
[17:49] <afiestas> thanks you for trusting me :p
[17:49] <Tm_T> afiestas: welcome! (:
[17:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Will you do the send an email thing to the CC and cc Mark.
[17:49] <agateau> yay!
[17:49] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah can do
[17:49] <ScottK> Great.
[17:49] <Tm_T> ScottK: Riddell: also to news team
[17:50] <shadeslayer> afiestas: congrats ;)
[17:50] <Riddell> #topic Kubuntu business cards and nexuses?
[17:50] <Quintasan> business cards!
[17:50] <Riddell> I was thinking how to use the kubuntu funds to best help kubuntu
[17:50] <Riddell> business cards for kubuntu members was 1 idea
[17:50]  * Quintasan always wanted a business card
[17:50] <yofel> +1
[17:50] <Riddell> the printers local to me charge £32 for 500
[17:51] <shadeslayer> well ... needs awesome design
[17:51] <Riddell> KDE and Canonical both do them
[17:51] <ScottK> OK.
[17:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I could ask spacetime for a quote as well :)
[17:51] <Quintasan> but I couldn't find a design plus I have absloutely no idea what's the standard size
[17:51] <shadeslayer> ( our sticker guy )
[17:51] <afiestas> from experience, I have needed KDE ones quite a few times buecause I feel really bad giving one of my business card (from my business or the company I work for)
[17:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that would be good
[17:52] <afiestas> having a community business card rocks
[17:52] <Tm_T> I'm all for business cards
[17:52] <Tm_T> afiestas: indeed
[17:52] <Quintasan> Do we have a design?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will do once I get back to India
[17:52] <Tm_T> afiestas: I had to hand out my work cards at UDS, so I didn't hand out many
[17:52] <yofel> Quintasan: don't think so, and I gave up on my attempt to make one
[17:52] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd say let's get a design and a price and then see if this makes sense.
[17:52] <shadeslayer> there was a good design on the wiki once, cannot find it anymore
[17:53] <Riddell> Quintasan: we don't have any designers at the moment, I'm thinking just a logo + name + gpg key
[17:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: phone and email optional?
[17:53] <yofel> a simple design with the current font and logo and otherwise black/white would be enough IMO
[17:53] <Quintasan> maybe just email
[17:53] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh yes that too
[17:53] <Quintasan> gpg keys seems nice too
[17:53] <yofel> gpg key should be there (short at least if the fingerprint doesn't fit)
[17:54] <Riddell> gpg fingerprint is a common use case I have for them, it's why I've never got KDE ones
[17:54] <Riddell> ok I'll ask on the mailing list who wants them, limit it to kubuntu members only, and make a design and get a price
[17:55] <Riddell> my other thinking was there's a need to have nexuses
[17:55] <shadeslayer> afaik there's a policy that only members get cards ;)
[17:55] <yofel> there is
[17:55] <Riddell> does it make sense to buy some for people who will actively help make good kubuntu images
[17:55] <yofel> or was at least, haven't checked in years
[17:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: We should get the design uploaded somewhere so people can print those themselves if they ever run out
[17:56] <Riddell> ?
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> I just realized that although I have a bunch of Ubuntu people's gpg keys, I don't have any Kubuntu dudes
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> we should do a keysigning sometime
[17:56] <Riddell> that needs you to come to UDS!
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> yeah, yeah :(
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> stupid school
[17:57] <ScottK> Or stop by my house next time on your way to Virginia.
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> keysigning party at Scott's house!
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> :P
[17:57] <Tm_T> Riddell: considering that nexus isn't that expensive, it wouldn't hurt to get a few
[17:58] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: You're buying me a plane ticket :P
[17:58] <Riddell> ahem, topic ^^
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> soz ^^
[17:58] <ScottK> Well.
[17:58] <Quintasan> Sorry. Back on the topic, yeah Nexus would be good reference platform I THINK
[17:59] <yofel> jussi said that he wouldn't mind a nexus
[17:59]  * Quintasan remembers the problems with TF101
[17:59] <Quintasan> yofel: I don't think anyone would mind one
[17:59] <Quintasan> :P
[17:59] <ScottK> About hardware: I think Nexus7 is the right target, but are people really going to do the work.
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ^
[17:59] <yofel> I already have one
[17:59] <shadeslayer> its a fun project, but I don't think I will have the time to hack on it alot ....
[18:00] <shadeslayer> already have a TF101, which kind of works ....
[18:00] <yofel> we should probably discuss that on the ML once we have something that actually installs and runs
[18:00] <Quintasan> +1 yofel
[18:00] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[18:01]  * shadeslayer has to leave now
[18:01] <shadeslayer> cya
[18:01] <jussi> ScottK: I will commit to doing testing at lease 3 times a week.
[18:01]  * ScottK suggests we get active packaged before spending money on hardware to test it.
[18:01] <jussi> ScottK: yes
[18:01] <yofel> ack
[18:01] <jussi> Also, I would suggest we think about giving them as a lend and circulating them if people don't have time.
[18:02] <jussi> either you do something with it or you lose it
[18:02] <Riddell> yeah
[18:02] <Riddell> ok no immediate enthusiam we'll come back to that later
[18:02] <Riddell> #endtopic
[18:02] <Riddell> or something
[18:02] <Riddell> any other business?
[18:02] <jussi> If you contribute for a whole cycle, you get to keepm it as areward or something
[18:02] <JontheEchidna> I don't think we can proceed with any of Harald's items without Harald
[18:03] <Riddell> yeah
[18:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: I mean it would be nice to buy them outright but if things don't work out immediately then we will have nexuses lying around for nothing :(
[18:03] <ScottK> We can declare them invalid.
[18:03] <Quintasan> ScottK: +9001
[18:03]  * Quintasan giggles
[18:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I say endmeeting then.
[18:04] <Riddell> #endmeeting
[18:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Nov 21 18:04:28 2012 UTC.
[18:04] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-21-17.00.moin.txt
[18:04] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-11-21-17.00.html
[18:04] <jussi> cool!
[18:04] <Riddell> thanks all
[18:04] <Riddell> now back to KDE SC packaging!
[18:04] <jussi> good meeting, tahnks everyone. afiestas, congrats!
[18:04] <Riddell> this 4.10 won't package itself!
[18:05] <jussi> Riddell: I can do the email to the cc if you likwe
[18:05] <Riddell> jussi: ok go ahead, also mark and Tm_T's news team
[18:05] <jussi> yep
[18:05] <jussi> Ill ccc them both - ittl be done by tomorrow morning
[18:07] <Tm_T> I believe all councils/membership boards got emailed about those targets