[03:37] <mhall119> sweet, we got a G+ vanity URL: google.com/+UbuntuTV
[03:38] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/+UbuntuTV/posts
[04:02] <mhall119> http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/20/3670940/michael-powell-fcc-chariman-cable-companies-mercy-contet you guys mind find that article interesting
[04:14] <tgm4883> mhall119, what does it take to get one of those?
[04:14] <tgm4883> verified status?
[04:28] <mhall119> tgm4883: I don't know, I just got an email from Google saying it was available and pre-approveed for the UbuntuTV page
[04:28] <mhall119> all I had to do was accept it
[17:40] <bobweaver> er I got called into work again =( looks like I am going to have to push back code until friday or sat that is if I do not get called in again
[17:44] <mhall119> bobweaver: no worries, enjoy some holiday time and come back refreshed on Monday
[18:20] <bobweaver> what do you all think to the point enough ?    http://imagebin.org/236722
[18:22] <tgm4883> looks good
[18:24]  * bobweaver is thinking about calling in sick today 
[18:24] <bobweaver> I dont feel like ripping up a bunch of marley
[19:49] <mhall119> bobweaver: nice warning
[19:49] <mhall119> tgm4883: does Myth have any way of suggesting things to watch based on past viewing?
[19:49] <mhall119> even if it's just something else in you database
[19:50] <tgm4883> mhall119, yes/no
[19:50] <tgm4883> mhall119, there is a watched list
[19:51] <tgm4883> err, watch list
[19:51] <mhall119> tgm4883: does it record a history of watching activity?
[19:51] <tgm4883> which is an ordered list of things you should watch, based on your previous viewing habits (eg. How long after something was recorded that you watched it)
[19:51] <mhall119> ah, ok
[19:51] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Watch_List
[19:52] <tgm4883> mhall119, outside of that, mythtv has plugin support. There is a plugin for an older version of mythtv called mythmagic
[19:52] <tgm4883> http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythmagic/
[19:52] <tgm4883> I've not used it, but it's a recommendation engine
[19:53] <mhall119> ok
[19:53] <tgm4883> it's for mythtv 0.25, and apparently the author doesn't feel the need to update it for future versions. IDK what work would be required to do so
[19:54] <mhall119> so something I'd like us to think about is how to provide the following experience:
[19:55] <mhall119> The user turns on the TV, and it is immediately showing something of interest to them, at such a point into the program that they can decide if they want to watch it or watch something else (if they want to watch it, obviously we can let them start from the beginning)
[19:55] <tgm4883> spoiler alert?
[19:55] <mhall119> not a tip priority, but keep it in the back of your mind, because I think that would set us apart from other smart TV offerings
[19:55]  * bobweaver calls in sick 
[19:56] <mhall119> tgm4883: maybe, but only if they watch too much before deciding
[19:56] <tgm4883> mhall119, theres two issues with that I see
[19:56] <tgm4883> 1) you'll need a way to figure out what they want to see for future programs
[19:56] <tgm4883> 2) you'll need to dedicated a tuner for that
[19:57] <tgm4883> mhall119, unless you are specifically talking about already recorded content
[19:57] <mhall119> tgm4883: I'm talking about already recorded
[19:58] <tgm4883> ok, so where does " at such a point into the program that they can decide if they want to watch it" come into it?
[19:58] <tgm4883> if it's already recorded, why start in the middle when they turn on the TV?
[19:58] <tgm4883> just to give the illusion of livetv?
[20:00] <mhall119> tgm4883: for most stuff, there's nothing at all worth watching in the first couple minutes, nothing to let the person decide "Yeah, that looks interesting"
[20:00] <mhall119> so not so much to give the illusion of livetv, but to give the same decision-making ability/experience as livetv
[20:00] <tgm4883> I'm not a fan of live TV ;)
[20:01] <tgm4883> I see two ways of handling this
[20:01] <tgm4883> 1) we start playing the top of the watch list at 1.5 minutes into the show
[20:02] <tgm4883> 2) we popup a preview with a screenshot 1.5 minutes in (or use trailer playback for video) with episode info
[20:03] <mhall119> I like #1
[20:03] <tgm4883> mhall119, 3rd issue, this is only going to work for people with HDMI/Display Port
[20:03] <tgm4883> otherwise how do we detect the tv is turned on?
[20:03] <mhall119> though instead of a fixed time, maybe a % time, since a 2-hour movie generally has a longer lead in than a 30 minute program
[20:03] <tgm4883> 2% then
[20:03] <mhall119> tgm4883: when I said "TV" I really meant "Device running UbuntuTV"
[20:04] <tgm4883> ok
[20:04] <tgm4883> this may only reliably work in the US
[20:04] <mhall119> why is that?
[20:05] <tgm4883> mhall119, ask Australians how on time their TV shows are
[20:05] <mhall119> why, do they get theirs on time? Because we don't
[20:05] <tgm4883> mhall119, they sometimes have to buffer shows to start/end +/- 15 minutes
[20:06] <mhall119> yeah, I've seen a bunch of DVRs in the US do the same
[20:06] <mhall119> though usualy only +/- 5 minutes, not 15
[20:06] <tgm4883> mhall119, actually ours is pretty good if you have good guide data
[20:06] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  I was just thinking of something. has to do with other langs  say that I am german and I need german xml is the tags in  english still ?
[20:07] <tgm4883> looking in the guide, shows don't start on the hour/half hour, they are listed as when they start (eg. 8:03 PM)
[20:07] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I believe the tags are in english still, but I'm not going to be parsing XML anymore
[20:07] <tgm4883> I just learned that the services API will return JSON
[20:07] <tgm4883> which i've not worked with, but am told it's much easier to work with in python
[20:08] <tgm4883> (eg. it makes lists and dicts for me)
[20:08] <tgm4883> but IIRC, yea it should be fine in other languages
[20:09] <tgm4883> mhall119, IMO, file a wishlist bug. That sounds like the proper place for things we aren't currently working on
[20:11] <mhall119> tgm4883: yeah, JSON is easy in python
[20:12] <bobweaver> whatever's clever
[20:12] <bobweaver> as long as you can pass data in the lens and scope
[20:13] <bobweaver> Right now I am trying to get raring going but lets just say that things are though ;)
[20:15] <bobweaver> I need more ram !
[20:15] <bobweaver> always
[20:15] <bobweaver> 4 gigs is not cutting it for the work that I am doing
[20:16] <mhall119> bobweaver: just so you know, I'm still working on getting information about being able to pass more data between scopes and the dash, it looks like they're already planning on something that should work for us
[20:17] <bobweaver> sweet !
[20:20] <bobweaver> Gezz after 7 builds of Unity 2d I finally realized that I am spelling sensors wrong !
[20:21] <bobweaver> sensor vs sensors
[20:21] <bobweaver> barhh
[20:25] <mhall119> another interesting article: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/12/3633984/future-of-tv-over-the-top
[22:04] <bobweaver> Ok I think that MockUP PPA is done I need to test But I *think* that it is done
[22:05] <bobweaver> packages are still building on LP