| ali1234 | is there some problem in virtualbox on 12.10 where guests don't get correct dns entries? | 00:03 |
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| popey | ali1234, not seen that | 00:21 |
| n1md4 | evening | 01:12 |
| n1md4 | how can i change the keyboard layout in bash | 01:12 |
| n1md4 | permanently | 01:12 |
| n1md4 | it's set to US by mistake | 01:12 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:29 |
| === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer | ||
| diplo | Morning all | 08:01 |
| BigRedS | n1md4: I'm sure you preferred US? When using qwerty... | 08:05 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:18 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :) | 09:31 |
| mungojerry | anyone find inkscape has a difficult learning curve? | 09:34 |
| mungojerry | just wanna edit some vector art | 09:35 |
| popey | morning | 09:39 |
| bigcalm | Evening | 09:39 |
| bigcalm | Back from the vet already? | 09:40 |
| dogmatic69 | mungojerry: I figured it out pretty much through trial and error. What you want to do? | 09:43 |
| mungojerry | dogmatic69, seems a bit fiddly to do anything. removing stuff seems to leave a white space rather than transparency behind | 09:48 |
| mungojerry | gonna play a bit at lunchtime | 09:48 |
| theopensourcerer | mungojerry: There is a decent on-line book from a chap called Tamvong (or something similar) that covers most aspects. But I do know what you mean. It's a complicated tool. | 09:48 |
| theopensourcerer | I do like it though. | 09:49 |
| dogmatic69 | mungojerry: if there is white behind something that means there is another element or its the page background. | 09:50 |
| theopensourcerer | You can change the background colour | 09:50 |
| dogmatic69 | mungojerry: I use inkscape a lot, and generally downloaded vector art is done badly. Loads of duplicated elements on top of each other. | 09:51 |
| Ivanka | Morning JamesTait :-) | 09:52 |
| JamesTait | Hey Ivanka! :) | 09:52 |
| * Ivanka just realised that she never added ubuntu-uk back in when she rebuilt her machine | 09:52 | |
| JamesTait | :-O | 09:53 |
| * Ivanka was slack | 09:53 | |
| n1md4 | BigRedS: True, but there's some oddities that creep in I've noticed, if you don't stick with qwerty. Therefore, I match the keyboard layout on install, but ''obviously'' switch to dvorak once in X ;) | 09:53 |
| AlanBell | hi Ivanka o/ | 10:04 |
| Ivanka | hi AlanBell :-) | 10:04 |
| SuperMatt | morning all | 10:06 |
| SuperMatt | linuxmint is looking very pretty these days :o | 10:06 |
| popey | SuperMatt, i like the minimal look of elementary | 10:10 |
| AlanBell | any laptop recommendations? | 10:32 |
| AlanBell | preferably no windows tax, midrange costs | 10:32 |
| diplo | popey: Have you tried elementary - Saw a blog ( maybe you posted ) about it the other day | 10:33 |
| diplo | Debating giving it a go | 10:33 |
| popey | AlanBell, thinkpad, always thinkpad | 10:34 |
| AlanBell | where from? | 10:35 |
| popey | diplo, briefly | 10:35 |
| popey | lenovo online store | 10:35 |
| AlanBell | linuxemporium just has old models I think | 10:35 |
| popey | with the magic 20% off code | 10:35 |
| daubers | Morning | 10:42 |
| AlanBell | http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html thoughts and opinions on this one? | 10:43 |
| einonm | Novatech are pretty good - I've bought 4 laptops from them in the past. | 10:44 |
| theopensourcerer | No Windows Tax. | 10:44 |
| einonm | The only thing I would say is that the cases are a little cheap and feel flimsy | 10:44 |
| theopensourcerer | They use Clevo IIRC | 10:44 |
| soreau | What about the new cheap google laptops? | 10:44 |
| soreau | chromebook or whatever they're calling it | 10:45 |
| dwatkins | The Samsung Chromebook looks rather like a Mac, unsurprisingly. | 10:46 |
| theopensourcerer | Love the second comment on the Novatech one: "Runs perfectly with Windows 7 and Ubuntu (dual booting)." | 10:46 |
| soreau | heh | 10:46 |
| dwatkins | theopensourcerer: I'd want to know I could still play my none-Wine-compatible games ;) | 10:47 |
| dwatkins | s/none/non/ | 10:47 |
| soreau | I will assume that's not using GPT partitioning scheme | 10:47 |
| theopensourcerer | It's for *work* | 10:47 |
| theopensourcerer | It will only have a Free OS on it. | 10:47 |
| shauno | other people still make laptops? I thought it was basically lenovo and apple, with a bunch of companies making kids toys in the background | 10:48 |
| theopensourcerer | Novatech don't *make* them | 10:49 |
| popey | i need to break into my garage, we've lost the key :( | 10:56 |
| theopensourcerer | I have a sledgehammer :-) | 10:56 |
| dwatkins | popey: time to learn lockpicking? ;) | 10:56 |
| theopensourcerer | Train the cat to go in through a small window and unlock the door from the inside | 10:57 |
| popey | need the key for that | 10:57 |
| popey | :( | 10:57 |
| dwatkins | how about a long piece of wire? | 10:58 |
| dwatkins | this reminds me, I should get an internal letterbox cover | 10:59 |
| shauno | and a welltrained cat (never know when it could come in handy) | 11:02 |
| AlanBell | we bought the novatech laptop | 11:11 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: now dont break it when you get it playing with orca :p | 11:12 |
| einonm | AlanBell: coolio. Hopefully you talked to one of the business sales reps and got some freebies or a discount?..always worth a try! | 11:13 |
| theopensourcerer | Hey czajkowski - I read your blog post. How come you didn't mention the back handed remarks about you ;-) | 11:14 |
| theopensourcerer | I guess it is because you know we all love you really... | 11:15 |
| theopensourcerer | Ahh. | 11:15 |
| AlanBell | einonm: we don't buy much stuff now, we thought about doing lots at one point but we are not an interesting customer any more | 11:15 |
| einonm | AlanBell: Ah, ok. I only bought 2 at the time I tried...gave them the 'we're going to expand rapidly very soon, and need more later..' etc, got a few quid off and some laptops bags thrown in | 11:16 |
| einonm | s/laptops/laptop | 11:17 |
| AlanBell | the bag was £9.60 | 11:19 |
| einonm | that's 2 pints, at least. | 11:20 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but only one of these https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/269169142937030657/photo/1 | 11:24 |
| mungojerry | popey, you still happy with thinkpad despite all your breakages? | 11:27 |
| mungojerry | diplo, i been using elementary, very nice | 11:27 |
| mungojerry | gonna be great | 11:28 |
| * theopensourcerer wonders when popey's new found love of snipping things will extend to Sam... | 11:31 | |
| popey | mungojerry, "all my breakages"? | 11:31 |
| popey | I am unhappy about the case cracking | 11:31 |
| popey | need to break into garage, not sure how :( | 11:33 |
| popey | i could smash the window I guess | 11:33 |
| popey | but that won't get me far | 11:33 |
| SuperMatt | woo, we may have a business justification for geting a nexus 7 at work | 11:35 |
| SuperMatt | does ubuntu work with the non-wifi-only version? | 11:36 |
| SuperMatt | as in, can I use a phone network? | 11:36 |
| daubers | popey: What are you trying to steak from yourself now? | 11:36 |
| daubers | s/steak/steal | 11:36 |
| StevenR | popey: only one door? | 11:36 |
| popey | we lost the key | 11:47 |
| popey | one side door with only one lock | 11:47 |
| popey | one main door which has many bolts | 11:47 |
| popey | I figure the side door is easiest | 11:47 |
| czajkowski | can you pop sam in via the window ... | 11:48 |
| popey | popey.mooo.com:81/snapshot.cgi | 11:48 |
| popey | that door | 11:48 |
| popey | no, too small | 11:48 |
| popey | and it wont help, its locked | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | MATE is still horribly broken :( | 11:49 |
| ali1234 | disappointing | 11:50 |
| StevenR | popey: what sort of lock? | 11:50 |
| popey | typical bog standard lock | 11:51 |
| popey | oh, http://guest:guest@popey.mooo.com:81/snapshot.cgi | 11:51 |
| Daviey | aww, popey has a mooo.com aswell. | 11:54 |
| popey | :) | 11:55 |
| theopensourcerer | popey: Smash the glass in the door. It's not double glazed I guess, and could be cheaply replaced in 20mins | 11:55 |
| popey | yeah, single glazed | 11:56 |
| popey | smashing the window will get me in | 11:56 |
| popey | wont open the door | 11:56 |
| SuperMatt | could you call up a locksmith? | 12:01 |
| SuperMatt | I don't know what the issue is | 12:01 |
| * StevenR wonders how best to do encrypted backups (I want the backup to be encrypted, the source is both unencrypted and encrypted, depending what it is) | 12:04 | |
| StevenR | I've got an openvpn set up to my parents, so I can talk to a box that can talk to everything else in my parents' network | 12:05 |
| theopensourcerer | StevenR: Write the backup to an encrypted partition? | 12:05 |
| StevenR | theopensourcerer: that's possible at one end, but not the other (the goal is backups of my stuff to there and their stuff to here) | 12:06 |
| theopensourcerer | You could probably pipe the stream through a crypto | 12:08 |
| theopensourcerer | e.g. tar -cvf - /home | aescrypt -e -p apples - >backup_files.tar.aes | 12:08 |
| StevenR | theopensourcerer: true... that leaves me with the problem of incrementals (normally, I'd use rsnapshot, but it doesn't quite work for this) | 12:09 |
| theopensourcerer | http://duplicity.nongnu.org/ | 12:10 |
| danfish | popey: dan | 12:11 |
| danfish | oops | 12:12 |
| danfish | it's either a lock smith for that door or a reciprocating saw down the door jam | 12:14 |
| danfish | StevenR: dustin kirkland's blog has a rather good backup article http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/06/ecryptfs-backup-strategy.html | 12:15 |
| StevenR | thanks folks, few option to explore now :) | 12:22 |
| ali1234 | popey: looks like virtualbox issue from yesterday was a mint bug | 13:05 |
| ali1234 | hmm wait, disregard that | 13:05 |
| ali1234 | affects xubuntu as well | 13:05 |
| ali1234 | but only live cds | 13:05 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1048783 | 13:08 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1048783 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "network name lookups broken in NAT network adaptors" [Low,Triaged] | 13:08 |
| ali1234 | it looks like xubuntu has improved quite a bit since last time i tried it | 13:12 |
| ali1234 | of course looks can be deceiving. the installer just hangs. | 13:15 |
| ali1234 | cup of tea time | 13:18 |
| ali1234 | hmm didn't debian switch to xfce as default now? maybe i should try that | 13:18 |
| dwatkins | I have lubuntu on my netbook, that uses xfce. | 13:22 |
| ali1234 | lubuntu uses lxde | 13:23 |
| dwatkins | oh, I stand (sit?) corrected | 13:23 |
| ali1234 | well, installer is still hanging | 13:25 |
| mungojerry | popey when you got the laptop it was DOA too wasn't it? | 13:26 |
| popey | no, it broke after a week | 13:29 |
| mungojerry | and your SSD died? | 13:29 |
| popey | ali1234, ahh, i only use bridging | 13:29 |
| popey | nope | 13:29 |
| mungojerry | ok, so died after 1 week and case breaking | 13:29 |
| kvarley | popey: How large is the ubuntu sticker on your laptop? I'm considering getting some but I can't seem to see the dimensions on the ubuntu shop. | 13:29 |
| mungojerry | not they best advert though | 13:29 |
| popey | yeah | 13:29 |
| ali1234 | NAT is the default | 13:29 |
| === issyl0_ is now known as Guest30602 | ||
| * popey looks for a ruler | 13:29 | |
| popey | its as wide as an iphone :) | 13:30 |
| popey | mungojerry, the positive things about the laptop outweigh the negative things | 13:30 |
| popey | IMO | 13:30 |
| mungojerry | good to hear | 13:30 |
| mungojerry | i'm not anti them, i used to have one | 13:31 |
| mungojerry | but they are quite ugly and heavy | 13:31 |
| popey | I'm a little disappointed | 13:31 |
| popey | but would still buy another | 13:31 |
| mungojerry | you like the linux support and the battery life? | 13:32 |
| popey | yeah | 13:38 |
| popey | ali1234, you like the jolla videos then? | 13:39 |
| popey | interesting they demo on an n950, easy to hack I imagine | 13:39 |
| ali1234 | it's a developer only phone, so yeah | 13:40 |
| popey | they talked previously about using libhybris to use android kernels / boinc, guess that's not required on n950 | 13:40 |
| ali1234 | i don't really care for the arty farty marketing but their stuff is mer based | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | as opposed to meego where the community stuff was basically a fork | 13:41 |
| ali1234 | mer is, in fact, that same fork | 13:42 |
| ali1234 | how do i get the the console in virtualbox? | 13:45 |
| ali1234 | or: how do i send ctrl-alt-f1 to a virtualbox guest? | 13:45 |
| ali1234 | ah, ctrl-f1 | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | host + F1 | 13:53 |
| AlanBell | right ctrl normally | 13:53 |
| ali1234 | yeah, right ctrl | 13:56 |
| === bigcalm_ is now known as bigcalm | ||
| ali1234 | hmm | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | so if you try to install 12.10 over mint 14 the installer crashes | 14:12 |
| ali1234 | at the screen that says "you already have <operating systems> installed" | 14:12 |
| popey | interesting | 14:15 |
| popey | cjwatson might like to hear about that in #ubuntu-desktop | 14:16 |
| popey | I have seen a report from a jouro who had a similar issue | 14:16 |
| ali1234 | i will reproduce and then report a bug | 14:17 |
| ali1234 | xfce install takes ages :( | 14:21 |
| ali1234 | oh, it's because it is tryng to download files even though i told it not to because the computer has no working internet connection | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | so it is timing out on each one | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | done 43/117 so far | 14:22 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1081632 | 14:40 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1081632 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity hangs forever if you try to install on a computer with Mint 14 installed." [Undecided,New] | 14:40 |
| gord | how does popey's cat text with no thumbs... | 14:40 |
| ali1234 | i know right | 14:41 |
| ali1234 | i would reply to that with "that's nice, but how is my cat doing?" | 14:42 |
| ali1234 | i don't even care if everyone makes that joke | 14:43 |
| popey | :) | 14:44 |
| popey | when I pick him up in a bit I will ask if they deliberately report it in the first person | 14:44 |
| popey | given I am a pet owner, I am clearly like every other pet owner whose first reaction is "awwwww" then "hmmm" | 14:45 |
| xnox | popey: ali1234: all installer bugs please report on #ubuntu-installer. I have commented on your bug report. Without logs it's hard to see what is going on. | 14:48 |
| ali1234 | on the contrary,it's very easy to see what is going on. just follow the steps to reproduce | 14:49 |
| ali1234 | then you can have all the logs you want right there | 14:49 |
| xnox | Also note that it appears that VirtualBox is giving you broken network. While the indicator shows you have an ip address, ubiquity detects that actually you have no network. | 14:49 |
| ali1234 | yes, that is also a bug | 14:49 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1048783 | 14:49 |
| lubotu3 | Launchpad bug 1048783 in virtualbox (Ubuntu) "network name lookups broken in NAT network adaptors" [Low,Triaged] | 14:49 |
| xnox | ali1234: no, it is not. I don't have time nor bandwidth to download mint dvd, to install that, as well as to setup virtualbox. | 14:50 |
| * xnox uses KVM and official ubuntu images only. | 14:50 | |
| ali1234 | well guess what, i don't have time to learn how ubiquity works and extract logs from a crashed VM... | 14:50 |
| ali1234 | so i guess it isn't getting fixed | 14:50 |
| xnox | ali1234: `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` is all you need to get the logs from it. | 14:51 |
| ali1234 | uh-huh | 14:51 |
| xnox | ali1234: full automatic apport integration to extract all installer logs for developers. | 14:51 |
| xnox | ali1234: just click "try ubuntu" start ubiquity to get to that point & open terminal and type that, done. | 14:51 |
| xnox | but if you don't have network it will save the logs in a crash file. | 14:52 |
| xnox | I believe virtualbox has something to access the VM to retrieve stuff of it. | 14:52 |
| ali1234 | xnox: ubuntu-bug ubiquity does not work | 15:05 |
| ali1234 | "The problem cannot be reported: This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party packages and try again." | 15:05 |
| xnox | and this is when you are using an official ubuntu image? | 15:05 |
| xnox | which image is it? | 15:05 |
| ali1234 | ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso | 15:07 |
| ali1234 | 7ad57cadae955bd04019389d4b9c1dcb ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso | 15:07 |
| czajkowski | BigRedS: booo | 15:07 |
| xnox | ali1234: broken download? | 15:08 |
| xnox | ali1234: wait.... looked at wrong sums. | 15:08 |
| ali1234 | i dunno. where are the isos? | 15:08 |
| xnox | ali1234: no, all is correct. You have the released image. | 15:08 |
| xnox | http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/MD5SUMS | 15:08 |
| xnox | I will check why ubuntu-bug did not work. | 15:09 |
| xnox | ISOs are here http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/ | 15:09 |
| ali1234 | which file do you actually need? | 15:09 |
| kvarley | popey: Ok, ty :) | 15:51 |
| ali12345 | lalala xfce | 15:55 |
| ali12345 | so it looks like they've fixed ALL the bugs | 15:56 |
| ali12345 | font hinting now works properly, as does dpi and font size | 15:56 |
| ali12345 | it works properly with light-themes so you can have something that looks good | 15:56 |
| ali12345 | i can't see any wonkey text *anywhere* which is a first | 15:57 |
| ali12345 | i dont know if that's down to the theme or fixes | 15:57 |
| ali12345 | anyway, brb installing this properly :) | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | hmm. how can i install xubuntu-desktop from official ubuntu install media, without installing unity? | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | use the server iso? | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | or minimal iso? | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | i better test this in vbox first | 16:03 |
| mgdm | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685744#c6 o rly | 16:03 |
| lubotu3 | Gnome bug 685744 in general "list set of supported extensions" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 16:03 |
| ali1234 | mgdm: ya rly? | 16:03 |
| mgdm | no wai | 16:04 |
| mgdm | etc | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | extensions cannot reproduce gnome-2 experience, it's why i' installing xfce now that fallback mode is going away for real | 16:04 |
| ali1234 | gnome-shell core is just too broken, and like unity, it's a horrible monolithic pile of half finished rubbish | 16:05 |
| ali1234 | you know what i hate more than anything else about gnome-shell? those little rounded corners on the top panel | 16:08 |
| ali1234 | it's so trivial but they just annoy me | 16:08 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| selinuxium | Any Canonicals about? The new support portal email I just recieved has a broken link to the portal... | 16:11 |
| selinuxium | popey ^^^ | 16:12 |
| popey | hey | 16:13 |
| ali1234 | how do i manually configure networking on the mini.iso?? | 16:15 |
| ali1234 | ah, "expert install" | 16:15 |
| directhex | hit cancel during the dhcp lookup | 16:16 |
| directhex | then you can pick manual from the list of "oh bugger, now what" options | 16:16 |
| ali1234 | can't. dhcp is working, it is virtualbox dns that is broken | 16:16 |
| directhex | gotta hit cancel *fast* then | 16:26 |
| popey | ali1234, why not set it to bridged mode temporarily? | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah or select "expert install" in the initial boot menu | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | popey: because derp | 16:27 |
| Seeker` | popey: get in to your garage? | 16:33 |
| popey | not yet | 16:34 |
| Seeker` | :( still think a flamethrower is the way to go | 16:35 |
| mungojerry | i used to have recurring dreams about my garage not locking properly at my parents house | 16:42 |
| AlanBell | popey: has it been determined who lost the key yet? | 16:43 |
| SuperMatt | who lost which key? | 16:45 |
| SuperMatt | oh, the garage key | 16:45 |
| popey | no | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | hmm, still no "development system" item in the mini.iso package selection? | 16:46 |
| einonm | popey: is it a small key? | 16:46 |
| ali1234 | fedora and opensuse both have this :/ | 16:46 |
| AlanBell | is there a "consumer system" option? | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | yeah, it's called "ubuntu-desktop" | 16:47 |
| einonm | I think you should try asking Elrond. Elrond has the small key. | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | you can select as many package groups as you want of course | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | some of the other ones include "video editing suite" and "edubuntu desktop" | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | but there's absolutely nothing for developers | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | i thought the sputnik project was supposed to create this feature, but i guess it's only available on the sputnik image for some reason | 16:50 |
| AlanBell | would have purchased a sputnik today if they were available to purchase | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | buy that new uber laptop | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | Azelphur: did you see that? it's just up your street :) | 16:53 |
| Azelphur | what is? | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | it only has 1080p though | 16:55 |
| ali1234 | the new system76 $1500 laptop | 16:55 |
| * Azelphur has a look | 16:57 | |
| Azelphur | looks nice | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | truly a laptop for people who believe that you get what you pay for :) | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | a laptop which can compete with apple on price :) | 16:59 |
| Azelphur | hehe | 16:59 |
| ali1234 | ok, that seems to have worked... slightly better than the xubuntu install image | 17:06 |
| ali1234 | time to install for real i guess | 17:06 |
| ali1234 | is mini.iso a hybrid? | 17:07 |
| ali1234 | i guess i'll find out shortly | 17:08 |
| roht | sera | 17:58 |
| Azelphur | Amazon is doing 3TB drives very cheap, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T3GRLY?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20 | 18:05 |
| BigRedS | Anyone familiar with the Nagios XML interface? | 18:21 |
| BigRedS | er, specifically how to get to it... | 18:21 |
| soreau | Hey guys, is there a webcam program that doesn't suck? Trying cheese here, can't even figure out how to get out of fullscreen :P | 18:38 |
| soreau | ok F11 but I think this webcam just sucks | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | cool | 18:54 |
| ali1234 | now my biggest problem is trying to decide whether to use ubuntu or droid sans | 18:55 |
| ali1234 | hmm starting to notice little problems | 19:39 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| mgdm | running Unity, if I hit the 'Files' thing in the launcher, where has the option to have a list of items with their details gone? | 20:39 |
| mgdm | err, has it been removed from Nautilus? | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | yes | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | actually no | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | the small icon list view was removed | 20:44 |
| mgdm | any idea how I get the details one, with the modification date and all that? | 20:44 |
| ali1234 | right click in the nautlius window? | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | ah no, it's in the menus | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | view -> list | 20:46 |
| mgdm | ah yes | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | oh hang on this might be an old version | 20:46 |
| mgdm | I couldn've sworn it used to be in right-click | 20:46 |
| mgdm | got it now, ta | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | still have compact, that's the one they were going to remove | 20:46 |
| mgdm | the menus are not obvious having just switched back to Unity from classic mode | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | haha yeah | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | why would you even do that? | 20:46 |
| mgdm | classic mode had a few irritating bugs | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | true enough | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | i switched to xubuntu instead. it's quite good now | 20:49 |
| mgdm | might give that a go later | 20:49 |
| mgdm | or go for a 10-year retro thing and use Fluxbox again | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | the window management is not great | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | i might have to carry on using compiz | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | which is a pity, since that was the cause of most of the classic mode bugs | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | every time i click the button "install additional software" in rhythmbox, it crashes with sig abort | 20:53 |
| mgdm | nice | 20:53 |
| === GingeryDog is now known as GingerDog | ||
| dogmatic69 | anyone know what the number for 'drwxrwxr-x' would be? | 23:01 |
| dogmatic69 | 0xxx? | 23:01 |
| shauno | dogmatic69: I think 775 | 23:05 |
| dogmatic69 | shauno: just found it, 0771. Thanks | 23:07 |
| shauno | I think the 1 won't give 'other' read access | 23:08 |
| dogmatic69 | shauno: ah you are correct. It is rwxrwx--x | 23:09 |
| shauno | r,w,x is 4,2,1. then just add the numbers for the modes you want (eg, r+x is 4+1) | 23:10 |
| dogmatic69 | shauno: ta. 775 is good. | 23:11 |
| * AlanBell dislikes octal permissions | 23:28 | |
| ali1234 | use letters then | 23:28 |
| shauno | as far as dirty habits go, they're amongst my better, so they get a free pass for now | 23:29 |
| AlanBell | heh, fair enough | 23:30 |
| shauno | these pop-up notifications in the top-right. is there any way to make them go away? permenantly. | 23:40 |
| AlanBell | you could remove notify-osd | 23:48 |
| AlanBell | or break it in a variety of ways that don't look nice | 23:49 |
| shauno | I found instructions for just disabling the notification that's spamming me in gconf-editor, but nm-applet doesn't appear to have that key anymore | 23:50 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD is how they are designed to work | 23:52 |
| AlanBell | so you can compare stuff that happens with that to see if it is a bug or a feature | 23:52 |
| AlanBell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Flood_prevention | 23:52 |
| shauno | yeah I was just looking at that. prevents the queue overflowing, but doesn't prevent chinese water torture | 23:53 |
| AlanBell | dunno if anyone is still working on that, or if the design objectives have been met | 23:56 |
| shauno | solving the wrong problem of course, but I gave up on trying to make sense of network-manager a long time ago | 23:56 |
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| AlanBell | I really liked the way that gnome-shell keeps a history of the notifications | 23:56 |
| AlanBell | why is network-manager sending you notifications? | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | connect/disconnect network cable | 23:57 |
| AlanBell | other than "connected to SSID" | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | also it spams when there's a cable plugged in to nothing | 23:57 |
| ali1234 | it also spams if your wifi password is wrong or CRDA disallows the channel of your ap (it just keeps tryng to connect forever) | 23:57 |
| shauno | which may be what it looks like. vmware with a second nic that's dangling atm | 23:58 |
| ali1234 | basically it spams all the time | 23:58 |
| AlanBell | I have seen it repeatedly try to connect to wireless and fail and give notifications | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | so xfce is pretty good but it has one fatal flaw: like mate it is still gtk2 so indicators don't work except the ones that are still around from gnome2 days, which means volume and NM-applet only | 23:59 |
| AlanBell | but I was trying to connect to the wireless, it kind of made sense to do each notification on a connection attempt | 23:59 |
| ali1234 | for everything else you have to use systray which of course isn't multimonitor | 23:59 |
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