[00:03] <ali1234> is there some problem in virtualbox on 12.10 where guests don't get correct dns entries?
[00:21] <popey> ali1234, not seen that
[01:12] <n1md4> evening
[01:12] <n1md4> how can i change the keyboard layout in bash
[01:12] <n1md4> permanently
[01:12] <n1md4> it's set to US by mistake
[07:29] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <diplo> Morning all
[08:05] <BigRedS> n1md4: I'm sure you preferred US? When using qwerty...
[09:18] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:34] <mungojerry> anyone find inkscape has a difficult learning curve?
[09:35] <mungojerry> just wanna edit some vector art
[09:39] <popey> morning
[09:39] <bigcalm> Evening
[09:40] <bigcalm> Back from the vet already?
[09:43] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: I figured it out pretty much through trial and error. What you want to do?
[09:48] <mungojerry> dogmatic69, seems a bit fiddly to do anything. removing stuff seems to leave a white space rather than transparency behind
[09:48] <mungojerry> gonna play a bit at lunchtime
[09:48] <theopensourcerer> mungojerry: There is a decent on-line book from a chap called Tamvong (or something similar) that covers most aspects. But I do know what you mean. It's a complicated tool.
[09:49] <theopensourcerer> I do like it though.
[09:50] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: if there is white behind something that means there is another element or its the page background.
[09:50] <theopensourcerer> You can change the background colour
[09:51] <dogmatic69> mungojerry: I use inkscape a lot, and generally downloaded vector art is done badly. Loads of duplicated elements on top of each other.
[09:52] <Ivanka> Morning JamesTait :-)
[09:52] <JamesTait> Hey Ivanka! :)
[09:52]  * Ivanka just realised that she never added ubuntu-uk back in when she rebuilt her machine
[09:53] <JamesTait> :-O
[09:53]  * Ivanka was slack
[09:53] <n1md4> BigRedS: True, but there's some oddities that creep in I've noticed, if you don't stick with qwerty.  Therefore, I match the keyboard layout on install, but ''obviously'' switch to dvorak once in X ;)
[10:04] <AlanBell> hi Ivanka o/
[10:04] <Ivanka> hi AlanBell :-)
[10:06] <SuperMatt> morning all
[10:06] <SuperMatt> linuxmint is looking very pretty these days :o
[10:10] <popey> SuperMatt, i like the minimal look of elementary
[10:32] <AlanBell> any laptop recommendations?
[10:32] <AlanBell> preferably no windows tax, midrange costs
[10:33] <diplo> popey: Have you tried elementary - Saw a blog ( maybe you posted ) about it the other day
[10:33] <diplo> Debating giving it a go
[10:34] <popey> AlanBell, thinkpad, always thinkpad
[10:35] <AlanBell> where from?
[10:35] <popey> diplo, briefly
[10:35] <popey> lenovo online store
[10:35] <AlanBell> linuxemporium just has old models I think
[10:35] <popey> with the magic 20% off code
[10:42] <daubers> Morning
[10:43] <AlanBell> http://www.novatech.co.uk/laptop/range/novatechnfinityn1402.html thoughts and opinions on this one?
[10:44] <einonm> Novatech are pretty good - I've bought 4 laptops from them in the past.
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> No Windows Tax.
[10:44] <einonm> The only thing I would say is that the cases are a little cheap and feel flimsy
[10:44] <theopensourcerer> They use Clevo IIRC
[10:44] <soreau> What about the new cheap google laptops?
[10:45] <soreau> chromebook or whatever they're calling it
[10:46] <dwatkins> The Samsung Chromebook looks rather like a Mac, unsurprisingly.
[10:46] <theopensourcerer> Love the second comment on the Novatech one: "Runs perfectly with Windows 7 and Ubuntu (dual booting)."
[10:46] <soreau> heh
[10:47] <dwatkins> theopensourcerer: I'd want to know I could still play my none-Wine-compatible games ;)
[10:47] <dwatkins> s/none/non/
[10:47] <soreau> I will assume that's not using GPT partitioning scheme
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> It's for *work*
[10:47] <theopensourcerer> It will only have a Free OS on it.
[10:48] <shauno> other people still make laptops?  I thought it was basically lenovo and apple, with a bunch of companies making kids toys in the background
[10:49] <theopensourcerer> Novatech don't *make* them
[10:56] <popey> i need to break into my garage, we've lost the key :(
[10:56] <theopensourcerer> I have a sledgehammer :-)
[10:56] <dwatkins> popey: time to learn lockpicking? ;)
[10:57] <theopensourcerer> Train the cat to go in through a small window and unlock the door from the inside
[10:57] <popey> need the key for that
[10:57] <popey> :(
[10:58] <dwatkins> how about a long piece of wire?
[10:59] <dwatkins> this reminds me, I should get an internal letterbox cover
[11:02] <shauno> and a welltrained cat  (never know when it could come in handy)
[11:11] <AlanBell> we bought the novatech laptop
[11:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: now dont break it when you get it playing with orca :p
[11:13] <einonm> AlanBell: coolio. Hopefully you talked to one of the business sales reps and got some freebies or a discount?..always worth a try!
[11:14] <theopensourcerer> Hey czajkowski - I read your blog post. How come you didn't mention the back handed remarks about you ;-)
[11:15] <theopensourcerer> I guess it is because you know we all love you really...
[11:15] <theopensourcerer> Ahh.
[11:15] <AlanBell> einonm: we don't buy much stuff now, we thought about doing lots at one point but we are not an interesting customer any more
[11:16] <einonm> AlanBell: Ah, ok. I only bought 2 at the time I tried...gave them the 'we're going to expand rapidly very soon, and need more later..' etc, got a few quid off and some laptops bags thrown in
[11:17] <einonm> s/laptops/laptop
[11:19] <AlanBell> the bag was £9.60
[11:20] <einonm> that's 2 pints, at least.
[11:24] <AlanBell> yeah, but only one of these https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/269169142937030657/photo/1
[11:27] <mungojerry> popey, you still happy with thinkpad despite all your breakages?
[11:27] <mungojerry> diplo, i been using elementary, very nice
[11:28] <mungojerry> gonna be great
[11:31]  * theopensourcerer wonders when popey's new found love of snipping things will extend to Sam...
[11:31] <popey> mungojerry, "all my breakages"?
[11:31] <popey> I am unhappy about the case cracking
[11:33] <popey> need to break into garage, not sure how :(
[11:33] <popey> i could smash the window I guess
[11:33] <popey> but that won't get me far
[11:35] <SuperMatt> woo, we may have a business justification for geting a nexus 7 at work
[11:36] <SuperMatt> does ubuntu work with the non-wifi-only version?
[11:36] <SuperMatt> as in, can I use a phone network?
[11:36] <daubers> popey: What are you trying to steak from yourself now?
[11:36] <daubers> s/steak/steal
[11:36] <StevenR> popey: only one door?
[11:47] <popey> we lost the key
[11:47] <popey> one side door with only one lock
[11:47] <popey> one main door which has many bolts
[11:47] <popey> I figure the side door is easiest
[11:48] <czajkowski> can you pop sam in via the window ...
[11:48] <popey> popey.mooo.com:81/snapshot.cgi
[11:48] <popey> that door
[11:48] <popey> no, too small
[11:48] <popey> and it wont help, its locked
[11:49] <ali1234> MATE is still horribly broken :(
[11:50] <ali1234> disappointing
[11:50] <StevenR> popey: what sort of lock?
[11:51] <popey> typical bog standard lock
[11:51] <popey> oh, http://guest:guest@popey.mooo.com:81/snapshot.cgi
[11:54] <Daviey> aww, popey has a mooo.com aswell.
[11:55] <popey> :)
[11:55] <theopensourcerer> popey: Smash the glass in the door. It's not double glazed I guess, and could be cheaply replaced in 20mins
[11:56] <popey> yeah, single glazed
[11:56] <popey> smashing the window will get me in
[11:56] <popey> wont open the door
[12:01] <SuperMatt> could you call up a locksmith?
[12:01] <SuperMatt> I don't know what the issue is
[12:04]  * StevenR wonders how best to do encrypted backups (I want the backup to be encrypted, the source is both unencrypted and encrypted, depending what it is)
[12:05] <StevenR> I've got an openvpn set up to my parents, so I can talk to a box that can talk to everything else in my parents' network
[12:05] <theopensourcerer> StevenR: Write the backup to an encrypted partition?
[12:06] <StevenR> theopensourcerer: that's possible at one end, but not the other (the goal is backups of my stuff to there and their stuff to here)
[12:08] <theopensourcerer> You could probably pipe the stream through a crypto
[12:08] <theopensourcerer> e.g. tar -cvf - /home | aescrypt -e -p apples - >backup_files.tar.aes
[12:09] <StevenR> theopensourcerer: true... that leaves me with the problem of incrementals (normally, I'd use rsnapshot, but it doesn't quite work for this)
[12:10] <theopensourcerer> http://duplicity.nongnu.org/
[12:11] <danfish> popey: dan
[12:12] <danfish> oops
[12:14] <danfish> it's either a lock smith for that door or a reciprocating saw down the door jam
[12:15] <danfish> StevenR: dustin kirkland's blog has a rather good backup article http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2010/06/ecryptfs-backup-strategy.html
[12:22] <StevenR> thanks folks, few option to explore now :)
[13:05] <ali1234> popey: looks like virtualbox issue from yesterday was a mint bug
[13:05] <ali1234> hmm wait, disregard that
[13:05] <ali1234> affects xubuntu as well
[13:05] <ali1234> but only live cds
[13:08] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1048783
[13:12] <ali1234> it looks like xubuntu has improved quite a bit since last time i tried it
[13:15] <ali1234> of course looks can be deceiving. the installer just hangs.
[13:18] <ali1234> cup of tea time
[13:18] <ali1234> hmm didn't debian switch to xfce as default now? maybe i should try that
[13:22] <dwatkins> I have lubuntu on my netbook, that uses xfce.
[13:23] <ali1234> lubuntu uses lxde
[13:23] <dwatkins> oh, I stand (sit?) corrected
[13:25] <ali1234> well, installer is still hanging
[13:26] <mungojerry> popey when you got the laptop it was DOA too wasn't it?
[13:29] <popey> no, it broke after a week
[13:29] <mungojerry> and your SSD died?
[13:29] <popey> ali1234, ahh, i only use bridging
[13:29] <popey> nope
[13:29] <mungojerry> ok, so died after 1 week and case breaking
[13:29] <kvarley> popey: How large is the ubuntu sticker on your laptop? I'm considering getting some but I can't seem to see the dimensions on the ubuntu shop.
[13:29] <mungojerry> not they best advert though
[13:29] <popey> yeah
[13:29] <ali1234> NAT is the default
[13:29]  * popey looks for a ruler
[13:30] <popey> its as wide as an iphone :)
[13:30] <popey> mungojerry, the positive things about the laptop outweigh the negative things
[13:30] <popey> IMO
[13:30] <mungojerry> good to hear
[13:31] <mungojerry> i'm not anti them, i used to have one
[13:31] <mungojerry> but they are quite ugly and heavy
[13:31] <popey> I'm a little disappointed
[13:31] <popey> but would still buy another
[13:32] <mungojerry> you like the linux support and the battery life?
[13:38] <popey> yeah
[13:39] <popey> ali1234, you like the jolla videos then?
[13:39] <popey> interesting they demo on an n950, easy to hack I imagine
[13:40] <ali1234> it's a developer only phone, so yeah
[13:40] <popey> they talked previously about using libhybris to use android kernels / boinc, guess that's not required on n950
[13:41] <ali1234> i don't really care for the arty farty marketing but their stuff is mer based
[13:41] <ali1234> as opposed to meego where the community stuff was basically a fork
[13:42] <ali1234> mer is, in fact, that same fork
[13:45] <ali1234> how do i get the the console in virtualbox?
[13:45] <ali1234> or: how do i send ctrl-alt-f1 to a virtualbox guest?
[13:53] <ali1234> ah, ctrl-f1
[13:53] <AlanBell> host + F1
[13:53] <AlanBell> right ctrl normally
[13:56] <ali1234> yeah, right ctrl
[14:12] <ali1234> hmm
[14:12] <ali1234> so if you try to install 12.10 over mint 14 the installer crashes
[14:12] <ali1234> at the screen that says "you already have <operating systems> installed"
[14:15] <popey> interesting
[14:16] <popey> cjwatson might like to hear about that in #ubuntu-desktop
[14:16] <popey> I have seen a report from a jouro who had a similar issue
[14:17] <ali1234> i will reproduce and then report a bug
[14:21] <ali1234> xfce install takes ages :(
[14:22] <ali1234> oh, it's because it is tryng to download files even though i told it not to because the computer has no working internet connection
[14:22] <ali1234> so it is timing out on each one
[14:22] <ali1234> done 43/117 so far
[14:40] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1081632
[14:40] <gord> how does popey's cat text with no thumbs...
[14:41] <ali1234> i know right
[14:42] <ali1234> i would reply to that with "that's nice, but how is my cat doing?"
[14:43] <ali1234> i don't even care if everyone makes that joke
[14:44] <popey> :)
[14:44] <popey> when I pick him up in a bit I will ask if they deliberately report it in the first person
[14:45] <popey> given I am a pet owner, I am clearly like every other pet owner whose first reaction is "awwwww" then "hmmm"
[14:48] <xnox> popey: ali1234: all installer bugs please report on #ubuntu-installer. I have commented on your bug report. Without logs it's hard to see what is going on.
[14:49] <ali1234> on the contrary,it's very easy to see what is going on. just follow the steps to reproduce
[14:49] <ali1234> then you can have all the logs you want right there
[14:49] <xnox> Also note that it appears that VirtualBox is giving you broken network. While the indicator shows you have an ip address, ubiquity detects that actually you have no network.
[14:49] <ali1234> yes, that is also a bug
[14:49] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox/+bug/1048783
[14:50] <xnox> ali1234: no, it is not. I don't have time nor bandwidth to download mint dvd, to install that, as well as to setup virtualbox.
[14:50]  * xnox uses KVM and official ubuntu images only.
[14:50] <ali1234> well guess what, i don't have time to learn how ubiquity works and extract logs from a crashed VM...
[14:50] <ali1234> so i guess it isn't getting fixed
[14:51] <xnox> ali1234: `ubuntu-bug ubiquity` is all you need to get the logs from it.
[14:51] <ali1234> uh-huh
[14:51] <xnox> ali1234: full automatic apport integration to extract all installer logs for developers.
[14:51] <xnox> ali1234: just click "try ubuntu" start ubiquity to get to that point & open terminal and type that, done.
[14:52] <xnox> but if you don't have network it will save the logs in a crash file.
[14:52] <xnox> I believe virtualbox has something to access the VM to retrieve stuff of it.
[15:05] <ali1234> xnox: ubuntu-bug ubiquity does not work
[15:05] <ali1234> "The problem cannot be reported: This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party packages and try again."
[15:05] <xnox> and this is when you are using an official ubuntu image?
[15:05] <xnox> which image is it?
[15:07] <ali1234> ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:07] <ali1234> 7ad57cadae955bd04019389d4b9c1dcb  ubuntu-12.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[15:07] <czajkowski> BigRedS: booo
[15:08] <xnox> ali1234: broken download?
[15:08] <xnox> ali1234: wait.... looked at wrong sums.
[15:08] <ali1234> i dunno. where are the isos?
[15:08] <xnox> ali1234: no, all is correct. You have the released image.
[15:08] <xnox> http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/MD5SUMS
[15:09] <xnox> I will check why ubuntu-bug did not work.
[15:09] <xnox> ISOs are here http://releases.ubuntu.com/quantal/
[15:09] <ali1234> which file do you actually need?
[15:51] <kvarley> popey: Ok, ty :)
[15:55] <ali12345> lalala xfce
[15:56] <ali12345> so it looks like they've fixed ALL the bugs
[15:56] <ali12345> font hinting now works properly, as does dpi and font size
[15:56] <ali12345> it works properly with light-themes so you can have something that looks good
[15:57] <ali12345> i can't see any wonkey text *anywhere* which is a first
[15:57] <ali12345> i dont know if that's down to the theme or fixes
[15:58] <ali12345> anyway, brb installing this properly :)
[16:01] <ali1234> hmm. how can i install xubuntu-desktop from official ubuntu install media, without installing unity?
[16:01] <ali1234> use the server iso?
[16:03] <ali1234> or minimal iso?
[16:03] <ali1234> i better test this in vbox first
[16:03] <mgdm> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=685744#c6 o rly
[16:03] <ali1234> mgdm: ya rly?
[16:04] <mgdm> no wai
[16:04] <mgdm> etc
[16:04] <ali1234> extensions cannot reproduce gnome-2 experience, it's why i' installing xfce now that fallback mode is going away for real
[16:05] <ali1234> gnome-shell core is just too broken, and like unity, it's a horrible monolithic pile of half finished rubbish
[16:08] <ali1234> you know what i hate more than anything else about gnome-shell? those little rounded corners on the top panel
[16:08] <ali1234> it's so trivial but they just annoy me
[16:11] <selinuxium> Any Canonicals about? The new support portal email I just recieved has a broken link to the portal...
[16:12] <selinuxium> popey ^^^
[16:13] <popey> hey
[16:15] <ali1234> how do i manually configure networking on the mini.iso??
[16:15] <ali1234> ah, "expert install"
[16:16] <directhex> hit cancel during the dhcp lookup
[16:16] <directhex> then you can pick manual from the list of "oh bugger, now what" options
[16:16] <ali1234> can't. dhcp is working, it is virtualbox dns that is broken
[16:26] <directhex> gotta hit cancel *fast* then
[16:27] <popey> ali1234, why not set it to bridged mode temporarily?
[16:27] <ali1234> yeah or select "expert install" in the initial boot menu
[16:27] <ali1234> popey: because derp
[16:33] <Seeker`> popey: get in to your garage?
[16:34] <popey> not yet
[16:35] <Seeker`> :( still think a flamethrower is the way to go
[16:42] <mungojerry> i used to have recurring dreams about my garage not locking properly at my parents house
[16:43] <AlanBell> popey: has it been determined who lost the key yet?
[16:45] <SuperMatt> who lost which key?
[16:45] <SuperMatt> oh, the garage key
[16:46] <popey> no
[16:46] <ali1234> hmm, still no "development system" item in the mini.iso package selection?
[16:46] <einonm> popey: is it a small key?
[16:46] <ali1234> fedora and opensuse both have this :/
[16:47] <AlanBell> is there a "consumer system" option?
[16:47] <ali1234> yeah, it's called "ubuntu-desktop"
[16:48] <einonm> I think you should try asking Elrond. Elrond has the small key.
[16:48] <ali1234> you can select as many package groups as you want of course
[16:48] <ali1234> some of the other ones include "video editing suite" and "edubuntu desktop"
[16:48] <ali1234> but there's absolutely nothing for developers
[16:50] <ali1234> i thought the sputnik project was supposed to create this feature, but i guess it's only available on the sputnik image for some reason
[16:52] <AlanBell> would have purchased a sputnik today if they were available to purchase
[16:53] <ali1234> buy that new uber laptop
[16:53] <ali1234> Azelphur: did you see that? it's just up your street :)
[16:54] <Azelphur> what is?
[16:55] <ali1234> it only has 1080p though
[16:55] <ali1234> the new system76 $1500 laptop
[16:57]  * Azelphur has a look
[16:58] <Azelphur> looks nice
[16:59] <ali1234> truly a laptop for people who believe that you get what you pay for :)
[16:59] <ali1234> a laptop which can compete with apple on price :)
[16:59] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:06] <ali1234> ok, that seems to have worked... slightly better than the xubuntu install image
[17:06] <ali1234> time to install for real i guess
[17:07] <ali1234> is mini.iso a hybrid?
[17:08] <ali1234> i guess i'll find out shortly
[17:58] <roht> sera
[18:05] <Azelphur> Amazon is doing 3TB drives very cheap, http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005T3GRLY?t=slicinc-20&tag=slicinc-20
[18:21] <BigRedS> Anyone familiar with the Nagios XML interface?
[18:21] <BigRedS> er, specifically how to get to it...
[18:38] <soreau> Hey guys, is there a webcam program that doesn't suck? Trying cheese here, can't even figure out how to get out of fullscreen :P
[18:40] <soreau> ok F11 but I think this webcam just sucks
[18:54] <ali1234> cool
[18:55] <ali1234> now my biggest problem is trying to decide whether to use ubuntu or droid sans
[19:39] <ali1234> hmm starting to notice little problems
[20:39] <mgdm> running Unity, if I hit the 'Files' thing in the launcher, where has the option to have a list of items with their details gone?
[20:41] <mgdm> err, has it been removed from Nautilus?
[20:44] <ali1234> yes
[20:44] <ali1234> actually no
[20:44] <ali1234> the small icon list view was removed
[20:44] <mgdm> any idea how I get the details one, with the modification date and all that?
[20:45] <ali1234> right click in the nautlius window?
[20:45] <ali1234> ah no, it's in the menus
[20:46] <ali1234> view -> list
[20:46] <mgdm> ah yes
[20:46] <ali1234> oh hang on this might be an old version
[20:46] <mgdm> I couldn've sworn it used to be in right-click
[20:46] <mgdm> got it now, ta
[20:46] <ali1234>  still have compact, that's the one they were going to remove
[20:46] <mgdm> the menus are not obvious having just switched back to Unity from classic mode
[20:46] <ali1234> haha yeah
[20:46] <ali1234> why would you even do that?
[20:47] <mgdm> classic mode had a few irritating bugs
[20:47] <ali1234> true enough
[20:49] <ali1234> i switched to xubuntu instead. it's quite good now
[20:49] <mgdm> might give that a go later
[20:50] <mgdm> or go for a 10-year retro thing and use Fluxbox again
[20:50] <ali1234> the window management is not great
[20:50] <ali1234> i might have to carry on using compiz
[20:50] <ali1234> which is a pity, since that was the cause of most of the classic mode bugs
[20:53] <ali1234> every time i click the button "install additional software" in rhythmbox, it crashes with sig abort
[20:53] <mgdm> nice
[23:01] <dogmatic69> anyone know what the number for 'drwxrwxr-x' would be?
[23:01] <dogmatic69> 0xxx?
[23:05] <shauno> dogmatic69: I think 775
[23:07] <dogmatic69> shauno: just found it, 0771. Thanks
[23:08] <shauno> I think the 1 won't give 'other' read access
[23:09] <dogmatic69> shauno: ah you are correct. It is rwxrwx--x
[23:10] <shauno> r,w,x is 4,2,1.  then just add the numbers for the modes you want (eg, r+x is 4+1)
[23:11] <dogmatic69> shauno: ta. 775 is good.
[23:28]  * AlanBell dislikes octal permissions
[23:28] <ali1234> use letters then
[23:29] <shauno> as far as dirty habits go, they're amongst my better, so they get a free pass for now
[23:30] <AlanBell> heh, fair enough
[23:40] <shauno> these pop-up notifications in the top-right.  is there any way to make them go away?  permenantly.
[23:48] <AlanBell> you could remove notify-osd
[23:49] <AlanBell> or break it in a variety of ways that don't look nice
[23:50] <shauno> I found instructions for just disabling the notification that's spamming me in gconf-editor, but nm-applet doesn't appear to have that key anymore
[23:52] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD is how they are designed to work
[23:52] <AlanBell> so you can compare stuff that happens with that to see if it is a bug or a feature
[23:52] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Flood_prevention
[23:53] <shauno> yeah I was just looking at that. prevents the queue overflowing, but doesn't prevent chinese water torture
[23:56] <AlanBell> dunno if anyone is still working on that, or if the design objectives have been met
[23:56] <shauno> solving the wrong problem of course, but I gave up on trying to make sense of network-manager a long time ago
[23:56] <AlanBell> I really liked the way that gnome-shell keeps a history of the notifications
[23:57] <AlanBell> why is network-manager sending you notifications?
[23:57] <ali1234> connect/disconnect network cable
[23:57] <AlanBell> other than "connected to SSID"
[23:57] <ali1234> also it spams when there's a cable plugged in to nothing
[23:57] <ali1234> it also spams if your wifi password is wrong or CRDA disallows the channel of your ap (it just keeps tryng to connect forever)
[23:58] <shauno> which may be what it looks like.  vmware with a second nic that's dangling atm
[23:58] <ali1234> basically it spams all the time
[23:59] <AlanBell> I have seen it repeatedly try to connect to wireless and fail and give notifications
[23:59] <ali1234> so xfce is pretty good but it has one fatal flaw: like mate it is still gtk2 so indicators don't work except the ones that are still around from gnome2 days, which means volume and NM-applet only
[23:59] <AlanBell> but I was trying to connect to the wireless, it kind of made sense to do each notification on a connection attempt
[23:59] <ali1234> for everything else you have to use systray which of course isn't multimonitor