[02:23] <skulltip> is unity 2d going away?
[03:33] <duflu> skulltip: I think you will find Unity2D will always be an installable package just as Gnome is. However starting in Ubuntu 12.10 it is not installed by default.
[03:34] <duflu> Also, Unity2D is not being enhanced any more. Only some bug fixes.
[03:34] <duflu> Oops, too late
[12:49] <timetopat> Hello all.  Yesterday I asked a question about ubuntu and nux.  I left abruptly due to class at my university.  I wanted to apologize to those who might have answered the question.  And if possible restate what was said.
[13:10] <mhr3> Trevinho, larsu, btw i was thinking that it might be good idea to break some parts of libunity api, particularly the launcher stuff, i'd really want to get rid of dbusmenu, thoughts?
[13:11] <larsu> mhr3, \o/
[13:12] <larsu> mhr3, really, the launcher stuff should be in GApplication (I think desrt has already ideas for that)
[13:12] <mhr3> was also thinking that some G* api would be better for it
[13:13] <mhr3> but i just want to get rid of DbusMenu for now :)
[13:13] <larsu> right
[13:13] <larsu> is there a reason why the right click menu on the launcher is separate from GtkApplication's appmenu?
[13:13] <larsu> (other than historical)
[13:14] <mhr3> none that i'm aware of
[13:14] <larsu> oh wait: it pulls its actions from the desktop file so that they're available when the app is not running
[13:15] <mhr3> still, perhaps they should be just appended
[13:16] <Trevinho> mhr3: agree
[13:16] <Trevinho> mhr3: I'm available for doing the launcher part, if you want
[13:17] <mhr3> Trevinho, cool, atm i'm mostly interested whether there's will to get rid of it
[13:17] <mhr3> and it seems there is
[13:17] <Trevinho> mhr3: yeah... of course... I'm always ok to move to more standard things, when thei're available
[13:18] <seb128> larsu, mhr3, Trevinho: yeah, don't forget about the .desktop action group stuff for the launcher lists
[13:18] <seb128> those menus are different from appmenus
[13:19] <larsu> seb128, right - the question is if you want to merge them when an app is running (by appending for example)
[13:19] <mhr3> yes, but unity does that directly
[13:19] <larsu> mhr3, how does it work now? Do the dynamic menus replace the actions from the desktop file?
[13:19] <seb128> they are both listed iirc
[13:19] <mhr3> larsu, i think they'd be just appended
[13:19] <mhr3> but is anyone using it even? :)
[13:20] <seb128> mhr3, using what?
[13:20] <Trevinho> seb128: yeah, these are handled by libindicator...
[13:20] <mhr3> seb128, dynamic menus
[13:20] <larsu> I don't know, if not I'd be in favor of removing dynamic menus altogether
[13:20] <seb128> yes
[13:20] <larsu> that's what I did in messaging menu, much simpler that way!
[13:20] <seb128> update-manager has stuff like "update index" and "install upgrades" when running
[13:20] <larsu> and gets people to port to single-instance app (except for seb128 :P)
[13:20] <mhr3> not surprising that removing functionality makes stuff simpler :)
[13:21] <larsu> my point is that no functionality got removed
[13:21] <larsu> it's all expressable in desktop actions if you have a single instance application
[13:21] <seb128> larsu, no, nautilus has e.g bookmarks in there
[13:21] <mhr3> ah, ok
[13:21] <seb128> that's a dynamic list
[13:21] <larsu> seb128, right, those wouldn't work
[13:22] <seb128> they are useful though...
[13:22] <larsu> yes, I agree
[13:22] <larsu> it was just a thought :)
[13:22] <mhr3> X-Canonical-special-actions=bookmarks;
[13:22] <mhr3> :)
[13:22] <larsu> hehe
[15:52] <didrocks> hey mterry! around?
[16:13] <didrocks> hey mterry! around?
[16:23] <didrocks> (3rd time) hey mterry! around?
[17:18] <vpovirk> is it possible to create a menu that will apply to an entire app in Unity, rather than just one window in the app?
[17:18] <vpovirk> as an app developer