[03:55] <TaraLS> Helloooo
[03:55]  * TaraLS waves.
[03:55] <TaraLS> I have an update
[03:55] <TaraLS> Ironically, involving updates.
[03:58] <TaraLS> superfly: *wave*
[03:59] <TaraLS> inetpro: confluency *wave*
[04:01] <TaraLS> So, I saw that my computer's 'cores' (They actually say 'core 0' and 'core 1' on Hardware Sensor Detector) were getting up to 53c and showing a red bar for super-hot when I was trying to convert URL from Youtube into MP4 on VLC.
[04:02] <TaraLS> That was in normal, installed-Ubuntu mode. So I got the hardware detector on Live-Ubuntu to see if maybe the temperatures weren't getting as high in live mode.
[04:02] <TaraLS> I managed to convert a vdeo without it freezing, and then I went to convert another one, left my comp on the ubuntu Live desktop while I waited for the conversion to finish, and the comp froze.
[04:03] <TaraLS> Only now have I remembered that, in order to get hardware sensor detector, you have to do a 'sudo get-update' on terminal. 
[04:03] <TaraLS> That's the only thing I did differently between using Live this time, and using Live for that full day where the comp didn't freeze.
[04:03] <TaraLS> I got Hardware Sensor Detector and used 'sudo apt-get update'
[04:03] <TaraLS> So... Update-related?
[05:11] <Kilos> hi TaraLS and others
[05:11] <Kilos> whats news
[05:12] <Kilos> our power off from around 8
[05:12] <mazal> More oom Kilos 
[05:12] <mazal> Sjoe hoekom is die krag so baie af daar ?
[05:13] <Kilos> môre mazal 
[05:13] <Kilos> hulle bou nuwe lyne met drade vertikaal
[05:14] <Kilos> moeielikker om uit te short en steel as dit getrip het
[05:14] <mazal> Ah ok
[05:14] <mazal> Ek gaan ook stil wees vandag , het baie veld werk saam kontrakteur
[05:14] <Kilos> ah
[05:16] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey gonna rain
[05:16] <mazal> Morning kbmonkey 
[05:17] <Kilos> ty for helping my brat last night you guys
[05:18] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[05:18] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[05:18] <Kilos> good to see you again so soon
[05:19] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[05:19] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[05:19] <psydroid> hi nlsthzn
[05:19] <nlsthzn> Alo uncle Kilos ... quick change to night shift so off for a few hours now :)
[05:19] <nlsthzn> alo psydroid 
[05:19] <psydroid> hi mazal and kbmonkey
[05:19] <Kilos> ah ok
[05:20] <psydroid> you guys wake up earlier and earlier
[05:20] <Kilos> hehe
[05:20] <Kilos> methinks everyone wants to know if the brats pc froze again
[05:21] <Kilos> Maaz, tell superfly good morning have a good day. see you when power returns
[05:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell superfly on freenode
[05:24] <mazal> psydroid, I have no choice , start to work at 6:45 hehehehe
[05:25] <psydroid> mazal, wow, that's early
[05:25] <psydroid> hi drussell
[05:25] <drussell> psydroid: yo!
[05:26] <mazal> Morning psydroid 
[05:26] <Kilos> hi deegee
[05:26] <Kilos> got mail from brat  http://slexy.org/view/s2bHsniKDI
[05:27] <Kilos> pc freezes from live too after doing apt-get update
[05:27] <Kilos> so might be that other thing
[05:27] <Kilos> regreshion
[05:27] <Kilos> regresion
[05:28] <mazal> What means regresion ?
[05:28] <Kilos> if she comes on while im ofline tell her there is a way to lock updates and use whats installed from cd
[05:28] <Kilos> just need to know which one
[05:29] <Kilos> mazal, im not sure but had it once before and locked that app in synaptic
[05:29] <Kilos> the cd version runs but first update brings a bug with
[05:33] <Kilos> regressions they require to fix bugs methinks
[05:33] <Kilos> get high priority
[05:33] <Kilos> not so drussell 
[05:36] <Kilos> she will just need help to get the logs while running live. i dunno how that gonna work but anyway.
[05:38] <Kilos> so once that prob app is identified it can be locked to current version in synaptic
[05:38] <Kilos> after a clean install
[05:38] <Kilos> hehe she will cry
[05:39] <mazal> hehehehe
[05:39] <mazal> At least we now know what to look for hey
[05:40] <nlsthzn> For great success... just played a game of TF2 on Steam for linux... weeeeeeee
[05:40] <Kilos> its something that comes with first update/upgrade
[05:41] <Kilos> steam sounds good nlsthzn they getting more and more games for us
[05:42] <nlsthzn> Yup... since Valve ported steam I have heard of so many other companies planning on porting... finally :)
[05:42] <Kilos> yay thats good news
[05:42] <Kilos> was linuxes weak point gaming
[05:44] <Kilos> hmm the monkey battling
[05:52] <barrydk> Good morning Linux people
[05:53] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[05:54] <barrydk> How are you that side
[05:56] <mazal> Lo B
[05:57] <barrydk> More w
[05:59] <Kilos> all good ty and there
[05:59] <Kilos> power off anytime now
[05:59] <Kilos> sigh
[05:59] <mazal> Ai that's frustrating Kilos 
[05:59] <superfly> .
[05:59] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly good morning have a good day. see you when power returns" 38 minutes and 14 seconds ago
[06:00] <Kilos> ya
[06:00] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:00] <superfly> yo mazal!
[06:00] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[06:00] <superfly> hello, barrydk
[06:00] <mazal> Monrning superfly 
[06:00] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2bHsniKDI
[06:01] <Kilos> regression superfly 
[06:01] <Kilos> no worry now
[06:01] <Kilos> have a good day all of you. gonna be 36°c here
[06:02] <mazal> Lekker dag oom Kilos 
[06:02] <Kilos> dankie seun
[06:02] <Kilos> will stay till power goes
[06:10] <barrydk> More Superfly
[06:10] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos
[06:11] <inetpro> oh and hi TaraLS
[06:11] <Kilos> hiya inetpro 
[06:11] <barrydk> Get a genertor Kilos
[06:11] <Kilos> eish
[06:11] <Kilos> kos pond
[06:12] <Kilos> but once they have made the lines more thief proof it will be better
[06:13] <Kilos> they steal like 200 metres at at time
[06:13] <barrydk> Im also thinking in that direction. My bill for last month was 3k. I'm tired of escom ripping me off. I use the same equipment lst month and the previous month and my bill increased with a thousand bucks
[06:14] <Kilos> throw cahin over all three wires and that trips it at power station the quickly cut them off
[06:14] <Kilos> wow
[06:14] <Kilos> complain
[06:15] <Kilos> s/cahin/chain
[06:15] <Kilos> is that right inetpro 
[06:15] <inetpro> Kilos: I don't know how they do it
[06:16] <barrydk> We did and they said it is correct. I think i'm paying for a lot of people who dont
[06:16] <Kilos> no man the spelling repair
[06:16] <inetpro> o
[06:16] <inetpro> Kilos: s/cahin/chain/s
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe ek sukkel met my volk
[06:16] <inetpro> oops
[06:16] <Kilos> oh my
[06:16] <inetpro> Kilos: s/cahin/chain/
[06:16] <inetpro> nog 'n slash aan die einde
[06:17] <barrydk> Probeer afrikaans
[06:17] <Kilos> ok ok will try member ty sir
[06:17] <Kilos> ketting
[06:17] <inetpro> lol
[06:17] <Kilos> eskom says it must touch all three wires to trip it
[06:17] <inetpro> Kilos: gaan help daai ouens dat hulle jou krag gou weer kan aansit
[06:18] <Kilos> so vertical is an option to try stop them
[06:18] <Kilos> lol hulle nie haastig nie. selle pay einde van die maand
[06:18] <inetpro> ai
[06:19] <inetpro> sê vir hulle jy verloor besigheid
[06:19] <inetpro> dis nie aanvaarbaar nie
[06:19] <Kilos> lol
[06:19] <inetpro> so baie kere af
[06:19] <Kilos> hulle voel vere
[06:19] <Kilos> the brat must be asleep. got bad flu
[06:20] <Kilos> and pc stress dont help
[06:20] <Kilos> they both had swine flu coupla years back
[06:22] <Kilos> and im not a pork fan. so musta been blind when young
[06:23] <Kilos> see they said 8 am but still got power
[06:25] <inetpro> Kilos: talk to the Mayoral Spokesperson in the City of Tshwane
[06:25] <inetpro> https://twitter.com/pieter_denecker
[06:25] <Kilos> he will say its work that needs to be done to curb theft
[06:26] <Kilos> they getting it done at least , dunno how far to go still
[06:26] <Kilos> copper theft is serious
[06:26] <inetpro> very
[06:26] <Kilos> there power gone. have a good day all
[06:27] <inetpro> bye Kilos
[06:27] <barrydk> Bye Kilos
[06:59] <confluency> TaraLS: apt-get update doesn't change anything on your system -- it just fetches information about what packages are available. ("upgrade" is the command for upgrading all the packages).
[07:00] <confluency> TaraLS: my current working theory is that your computer overheats, and it's just a coincidence that it didn't overheat that one time on Live.
[07:00] <confluency> I vaguely remember my old desktop freezing because of overheating.
[07:00] <confluency> OMG, dude. Did you say someone put in a new hard drive for you?
[07:01] <confluency> I think my desktop started having heat problems because of the arrangement of the hard drives and how close together they were.
[07:03] <confluency> TaraLS: new debugging plan: run your desktop with the case off, and see if it freezes. If it freezes, feel around the hard drives (and various other places) to see if they're getting hot.  Maybe try positioning the drives differently in the case.  Maybe get additional fans and put them near the drives.  I think I eventually fixed my problem by getting more fans.
[07:06] <confluency> If you have a big desk fan in your house, you could try running with the case off and the fan pointed into the computer, to see if that prevents freezes.  Having the case off might help the heat to dissipate enough by itself, though -- I think it did in my case.
[07:09] <nlsthzn> could install lmsensors to check temps...
[07:10] <inetpro> confluency, nlsthzn: we've gone there 
[07:10] <inetpro> that's why she's able to check the temperature
[07:11] <nlsthzn> kk, sorry I am not up to speed... was just commenting about the posts above mine :p
[07:11] <inetpro> np
[07:11] <confluency> I would seriously recommend the physical hardware sensor called no case + fingers. ;)
[07:12] <inetpro> confluency: she's even done that
[07:12] <confluency> Still crashes? No obvious hot areas?
[07:13] <confluency> Well, at least now that it's happened on all OSes it looks more like a hardware issue.
[07:16]  * inetpro agrees that it seems like a hardware issue
[07:16] <nlsthzn> memtest ran?
[07:16] <inetpro> but what exactly, I don't know
[07:18] <inetpro> nlsthzn: not 100% sure about the memory test but she's even tried stresslinux
[07:19] <inetpro> and if I remember correctly that ran for hours without hanging
[07:19] <nlsthzn> well I would suggest running memtest86 for random system lockups...
[07:19]  * nlsthzn doesn't know stress linux
[07:19] <inetpro> me neither
[07:19] <nlsthzn> knows stress by linux but that is something else
[07:20] <inetpro> :-)
[07:54] <Vince-0> haai
[07:56] <inetpro> wb Vince-0
[07:56] <inetpro> you still at sea?
[07:56] <Vince-0> ha no
[07:56] <Vince-0> at work
[07:58] <inetpro> ahh ok
[08:15]  * TaraLS grumbles.
[08:18] <TaraLS> confluency: Hard drive case has been off for about a week (one side, anyway). Desk fan has been on it for twoish days, which took my motherboard temp down from 43c to 32c in about ten minutes. I have not changed this setup. My computer was blue-screening and freezing even when I had my previous HDD. 
[08:18] <TaraLS> confluency:  I was thinking that maybe it was overheating in HDD mode but not Live mode for some reason, which is why I go tthe sensors. The sensors read the same temps in Live mode. Now that I know this, I'm not going to get Hardware Sensors or do any apt-get upgrade/update. I managed to convert one video successfully just now and have got the second one going - and I did this without getting the hardware sensors. We will see what
[08:20] <TaraLS> confluency:  Ah. Well. It just froze.... Heh. I guess I'll just take it to the shop and hope they can fix it. My fear is "It's fixed! Pay up!" And I do, and then I get it home and it freezes.
[08:22] <Vince-0_> aaargh! stupid nick
[08:26] <inetpro> Vince-0: you can kill the ghost before it times out and disconnects itself
[08:27] <Vince-0> I used the ghost command
[08:28] <inetpro> ahh, ok
[08:28] <Vince-0> sometimes this dsl flaps
[08:28] <Vince-0> like a leaf in the frikin wind
[08:28] <inetpro> sounds worse than wireless
[08:38] <Vince-0> the copper in this place is corroded
[08:39] <Vince-0> and Telkom says its because its the coast
[08:58] <Kerbero> Vince-0, where is this "the coast"?
[08:58] <Vince-0> Dirtbin
[09:01] <Vince-0> (Durban)
[09:22] <Kilos> boem boem
[09:22] <Kilos> i love that sound
[09:22] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[09:22] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[09:24]  * Kilos greets everyone else. power has returned early w000t
[09:28] <TaraLS> I was trying again to convert that second video in live mode, and got this screen: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v211/Krice_Verta/phpRhKHMgAM.jpg
[09:29] <Kilos> inetpro, superfly nuvolari and whoever else has ideas please think about stuff to add to our re-approval page.
[09:29] <Kilos> lo TaraLS 
[09:29] <TaraLS> Kilos:  Yo.
[09:29] <Kilos> mailed you some
[09:30] <Kilos> oh my that ugly
[09:30] <Kilos> you on live again TaraLS ?
[09:31] <TaraLS> I was. Computer is off now.
[09:31] <Kilos> switched off or dead off
[09:31] <TaraLS> I switched it off
[09:31] <Kilos> whew
[09:31] <TaraLS> If it was dead, I'd say that it's dead.
[09:31] <Kilos> hows the flu brat\
[09:31] <TaraLS> Horrible.
[09:32] <Kilos> stay strong
[09:32] <Kilos> lotsa onion
[09:32] <Kilos> on sarmies and all
[09:32] <Kilos> raw
[09:33] <Kilos> hmm family advice column on ubuntu-za
[09:33]  * Kilos hides
[09:33]  * TaraLS goes back to sleep, to dream of better days, when her computer actually friggn; worked with no friggin' issues.
[09:34] <Kilos> leep loose
[09:34] <Kilos> later
[09:34] <Kilos> we will get there
[09:35]  * TaraLS waves. And mopes.
[09:37] <Kilos> confluency, ty for the help last night , was nice to see you involved again
[09:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:39]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:39] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[09:39] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[09:39] <Kilos> Maaz, botsnack
[09:39] <Maaz> What do you want Kilos Trying to butter me up or something?
[09:39] <Kilos> hmm
[09:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:43] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[09:43] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[10:24] <Banlam> maaz sprecht deutsch?
[10:24] <Maaz> Banlam: What?
[10:25] <Kilos> yo Banlam hoezit
[10:25] <Banlam> hoezit mah bru
[10:25] <Kilos> cool en daar
[10:25] <bakuman> HI oom Kilos. Banlam verstaan nie meer hierdie hoezit taal nie
[10:26] <Kilos> rofl
[10:26] <Banlam> lol, my china whatchu saying?
[10:26] <Kilos> should be rovl
[10:26] <Banlam> kilos, no complaints
[10:26] <Kilos> good
[10:26] <bakuman> Banlam tab complete duidelik nie
[10:26] <Banlam> nee
[10:27] <Banlam> ek tik vinniger as die tab complete
[10:27] <Banlam> en kilos is so n kort naam
[10:27] <bakuman> pif leuens
[10:27] <Banlam> wie kort n hoofletter
[10:27] <bakuman> wel mentions kor die hoofletter
[10:27] <Banlam> leuenes
[10:27] <Banlam> leuens
[10:27] <Kilos> lol
[10:27] <Banlam> net in slegte clients
[10:28] <Banlam> kan ek myself highlight?
[10:28] <Banlam> banlam
[10:28] <Banlam> Banlam
[10:28] <Kilos> lo bakuman 
[10:28] <Banlam> nee ek kan nie
[10:28] <bakuman> banlam
[10:28] <Banlam> highglighted
[10:29] <Banlam> http://imgur.com/7lBtS
[10:31]  * bakuman also has photoshop
[10:31] <Kilos> lo Vince-0 i see you following us on the twit place now
[10:31] <bakuman> what a loafer. irc + facebook + reddit
[10:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:32] <Vince-0> Kilos, yep! And G+ which is my primary social network
[10:32] <Banlam> 40 seconds to photoshop and upload
[10:32] <Banlam> if i had skillz like that
[10:32] <Banlam> bakuman, en thesis!
[10:33] <Kilos> there are only messages related to #ubuntu-za posted there such as meetings etc
[11:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[11:48] <Kilos> hey clever okeys how do i make an xp install see a sata drive
[11:49] <Kilos> weird because millenium and 98 and win7 see it
[11:49] <Kilos> xp says Setup did not find any hard disk drives installed on your computer
[11:49] <Kilos> grrr
[11:50] <Kilos> dont tell me to go to a windows channel
[11:50] <Kilos> that would be below the belt
[11:52] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:52] <Kilos> hows things magespawn 
[11:52] <magespawn> windows xp needs drivers to be installed to see the the sata drive
[11:52] <magespawn> good and you
[11:53] <Kilos> oh ya that rat poison be kiff because neither the cat or dogs die after eating dead rats
[11:53] <magespawn> there is a section during the setup where the win xp asks if you want to install 3rd party sata drivers
[11:54] <Kilos> oh my how do you install drivers to a xp cd or a clean drive
[11:54] <Kilos> oh
[11:54] <Kilos> seen that ja
[11:54] <Kilos> whew
[11:54] <magespawn> there is also a way to make a windows install disk with the sata drivers included but i forget how
[11:54] <Kilos> np if that third party thing works thats good ty magespawn 
[11:54] <Kilos> will try it
[11:55] <magespawn> np
[11:55] <Kilos> had me baffled cause the others see the drive
[11:55] <Kilos> stupid ms
[11:57] <magespawn> still not sure why they do that?
[12:00] <Kilos> lol i hit the f6 when it said but dunno if it still going to decide
[12:01] <Kilos> really had me boggled. tried 3 different cds
[12:01] <Kilos> hehe
[12:03] <Kilos> eish now it asks for the device maufacturer disk to be put in
[12:03] <Kilos> grrr
[12:04] <Kilos> other option is going somewhere
[12:05] <Kilos> all good there magespawn ?
[12:06] <magespawn> yup Kilos
[12:06] <magespawn> maybe you can get the drivers from the manufacturers websit
[12:06] <magespawn> website evne
[12:06] <magespawn> oui
[12:08] <Kilos> lol how do you install a driver before you even install the os
[12:08] <Kilos> lol
[12:09] <Kilos> nope that option didnt work
[12:09] <Kilos> grrrr
[12:12] <Kilos> need to find out from ian i think he used an ide/sata adapter in an ide slot
[12:13] <Kilos> everyday ones sees more of how bad ms actually is
[12:14] <Kilos> was is and always will be
[12:15] <mazal> arme ms :)
[12:15] <magespawn> hey mazal
[12:15] <magespawn> did not see you lurking there
[12:15] <mazal> Hey guys
[12:15] <Kilos> i hate them but other peeps need it to be able to do their work 
[12:16] <mazal> New router in , so now have proper inet at work again
[12:16] <Kilos> lekker
[12:16] <magespawn> awesome
[12:17] <mazal> No more sharing 1mb line with 200 pc's
[12:17] <magespawn> mazal what speed you running there?
[12:17] <Kilos> great
[12:18] <mazal> Work line is 1mb , our "private" one is 384k , but the 384k is only me and Barry's laptop on it so is way better than the other one
[12:18] <Kilos> lol thats good
[12:18] <Kilos> 384k works fine
[12:18] <Kilos> its like good 3g
[12:18] <magespawn> i usually have a 1 meg to myself unless there are people in the internet cafe
[12:18] <Kilos> spoilt magespawn 
[12:19] <magespawn> indeed and am looking in to getting the 2 meg upgrade
[12:19] <Kilos> whew
[12:19]  * magespawn must have more speed
[12:19] <magespawn> more and more\
[12:20] <Kilos> i dunno if there is fibre up to hulehule
[12:20] <mazal> This 384 is a smokkeled one hehehehehe
[12:20] <Kilos> but if there is try get them to run fibre to you
[12:20] <Kilos> haha
[12:21] <magespawn> thinking of bonding multiple lines
[12:22] <Kilos> that might help magespawn ask Symmetria 
[12:23] <magespawn> it does you bond say two 4 meg line and get 8 meg but you also double your upload rate, which is actually what i want
[12:24] <magespawn> mazal where do you work? if it is okay to ask
[12:25] <mazal> Zonderwater oom
[12:25] <mazal> Cullinan
[12:25] <mazal> Ag , sorry magespawn , thought it was Kilo's asking lol
[12:26] <mazal> We are about 40km east of PTA
[12:26] <magespawn> no worries, but I meant the company
[12:26] <mazal> Correctional Services
[12:32] <magespawn> ohh okay that is unexpected
[12:37] <Kilos> lol
[12:37] <Kilos> why
[12:39] <mazal> How so magespawn ? 
[12:41] <magespawn> i always tend to forget that people who come here are from all over
[12:42] <Kilos> yip even geeks
[12:43] <barrydk> fortunately hes not inside 
[12:43] <mazal> Yeah , on the right side of the bars at least lol
[12:44] <inetpro> hmm... who knows?
[12:44] <Kilos> will tell you a story one day
[12:44] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[12:44] <inetpro> lol
[12:44] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[12:45] <Kilos> ty 
[12:45] <Kilos> one should tell govt depts to use motivating tactics
[12:45] <Kilos> when work done you can go home
[12:45] <barrydk> i like that idea
[12:45] <Kilos> ive seens miracles under those conditions
[12:46] <barrydk> unfortunately if you work with id10t's the work doesn't get done
[12:46] <Kilos> like trench digging peeps do what normally takes 3 days before 3pm
[12:48] <barrydk> ja and when the wisstle blows they leave the tools hanging in the air
[12:48] <Kilos> motivation is the name of the game
[12:48] <Kilos> lol
[12:48] <Kilos> dit storm hier inetpro 
[12:48] <Kilos> of net oor na kerk straat se kant
[12:50] <mazal> Kilos then I won't be able to go home , doing 5 peoples work :(
[12:50] <magespawn> that is how the pineapple farmers work here
[12:50] <Kilos> lol @ magespawn 
[12:50] <Kilos> task work ya
[12:51] <Kilos> task done and tools away bye
[12:51] <Kilos> only cant work with IT stuff methinks
[12:52] <mazal> gtg , will see maybe tomorrow or maybe later
[12:52] <mazal> If I look at the weather it will be tommorrow
[12:52] <mazal> Enjoy your evening gents
[12:53] <magespawn> cheers mazal
[12:53] <barrydk> Lekker slaap almal gaan ook nou bietjie by die huis werk
[12:53] <magespawn> Kilos i am busy checking all the ide drives i have lying around
[12:53] <magespawn> later barrydk
[12:53] <Kilos> mooi loop maz
[12:54] <Kilos> jy ook barrydk 
[12:54] <Kilos> exciting magespawn 
[12:54] <Kilos> i love playing with drives othewrs have scrapped
[12:54] <magespawn> some are pretty small storage
[12:55] <Kilos> lol like 2g
[12:55] <magespawn> yup
[12:55] <Kilos> got some here from ian too
[12:55] <Kilos> not worth worry about methinks
[12:55] <Kilos> but fun to play with
[12:56] <Kilos> only no good using linux to zero because you cant install to it
[12:56] <magespawn> usuful for back ups and for storing the viruses that i find
[12:56] <Kilos> why you storing virii
[12:57] <magespawn> i wanted to see if i could reverse engineer them
[12:57] <Kilos> KOM groot reen
[12:57] <Kilos> ah
[12:57] <Kilos> you aint got time
[12:58] <magespawn> a project for later then, besides i need to know how to program properly first
[12:58] <Kilos> that also needs time
[12:59] <Kilos> how far are you with python?
[13:03] <magespawn> not too far, i have been concentrating on my A+, N+ and MCITP
[13:04] <magespawn> and the wife is busy with her Bcom exams, so i have less time at night
[13:04] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:04] <magespawn> she finishes tomorrow
[13:04] <Kilos> tell her good luck
[13:04] <magespawn> will do ty
[13:04] <Kilos> aw too late
[13:04] <Kilos> but all the best anyway
[13:05] <magespawn> got 3 working 40 gig so far
[13:05] <Kilos> great. lotsa peeps dont need more than that
[13:05] <Kilos> like the older crowd that just want email etc
[13:06] <magespawn> to run the os you do not need more, and with external storage you can keep all the really big stuff there
[13:06] <Kilos> and 2X 40g makes a nice pc
[13:07] <Kilos> i still got a working 12.04 on a 6g
[13:07] <Kilos> shoulda kept maverick on it though
[13:08] <Kilos> if i can find what unity did with the right click format function i would be happy
[13:09] <Kilos> great for formatting spare drives etc with a name on not 10 GB Filesystem
[13:09] <Kilos> 10G so much better
[13:17] <Kilos> hey magespawn idea
[13:17] <magespawn> yues?
[13:17] <Kilos> has a mb cd got the sata drivers xp is looking for
[13:17] <magespawn> yes even
[13:17] <Kilos> lol
[13:18] <magespawn> possible
[13:18] <Kilos> hmm i go try that when it asks for the installation cd for it
[13:19] <Kilos> amazing how a bit of rain and wind cools everything down
[13:19] <Kilos> was 36c here now about 25
[13:19] <Kilos> not even 1mm rain
[13:21] <magespawn> cooled down here nicely today
[13:22] <Kilos> i think its coming up the coast to you and to us as well
[13:22] <Kilos> we need lotsa rain. weeds are even wilted
[13:22] <magespawn> i think we have been having most of it
[13:23] <magespawn> got a 12.7gb drive
[13:23] <Kilos> thats good
[13:23] <magespawn> was a win 95 upgraded to win 98
[13:23] <Kilos> strange size though
[13:24] <Kilos> musta cost a fortune back then
[13:24] <Kilos> i paid 450 i think for a second hand 6g
[13:24] <Kilos> they saw me coming
[13:25] <Kilos> 350 or 450 slips my mind now
[13:26] <magespawn> that is pretty steep
[13:27] <Kilos> ya but i was used to 1.2g and when he saw my surprise at how massive the 6g was to me he musta thought got him
[13:29] <Kilos> now im much wiser. got a 2 TB thats crashed bad
[13:29] <Kilos> really gonna try everything to get that going
[13:30] <magespawn> good way to learn if nothing else
[13:30] <Kilos> yeah i have learned so much in four years of struggling with pcs
[13:31] <Kilos> since 8.04 time or a year earlier
[13:31] <Kilos> ya the years before 8.04
[13:36] <magespawn> maybe do a course?
[13:39] <Kilos> online?
[13:40] <Kilos> course on what
[13:40] <Kilos> i dont member things easy man
[13:40] <Kilos> what i know i have thumped in over and over and still forget 
[13:41] <magespawn> so do we all
[13:41] <Kilos> no man
[13:41] <Kilos> aw power gone
[13:41] <Kilos> see you later
[13:41] <Kilos> only probs with storms
[13:43] <magespawn> later Kilos
[15:00] <superfly> Kilos: is jy terug?
[15:02] <Kilos> ya oom
[15:02] <Kilos> hehe
[15:02] <Kilos> you may address me in english as well superfly 
[15:02] <Kilos> you onna train
[15:03] <superfly> Ya
[15:03] <superfly> Waiting, again.
[15:03] <Kilos> waiting ?
[15:04] <superfly> Not sure what the issue is. Seems the previous train may have had an issue.
[15:04] <Kilos> eish
[15:04] <superfly> Perhaps we're waiting for it to be moved out the way?
[15:04] <Kilos> them you not onna train but atta station
[15:04] <Kilos> oh
[15:04] <superfly> No, on the train.
[15:05] <Kilos> onna train but train waiting?
[15:05] <superfly> Waiting usually resolves the issue.
[15:05] <superfly> Ya
[15:09] <Kilos> whew and time is so precious nowadays
[15:13] <Kilos> hey drussell 
[15:13] <Kilos> all good in the uk
[15:14] <Kilos> except for being the uk that is
[15:15] <drussell> Kilos: hehehe, yeah, been in the office for a change the last two days, trying to head back home now but we've got heavy rains and flooding in places, so not sure when I'll get home today!
[15:16] <Kilos> why you and the fly got train probs
[15:16] <Kilos> you at different places together?
[15:17] <drussell> Kilos: maybe! ;o)
[15:17] <Kilos> hehe
[15:26] <Kilos> home time maiatoday 
[15:26] <superfly> No, apparently our train was broken. Waiting for another one. A not-so-full and not-so-express one
[15:27] <Kilos> oh my that sucks superfly 
[15:27] <Kilos> hows your progress at meeting the deadline
[15:28] <superfly> *shrug* nothing I can do about it, so I might as well not get uptight about it.
[15:28] <Kilos> oh my
[15:29] <superfly> Kilos: good. The really important stuff is coming along nicely, and the not-so-important stuff will just have to wait.
[15:29] <Kilos> thats nice
[15:29] <Kilos> deadlines suck
[15:30] <Kilos> and the flahh fan uses up time too
[15:30] <superfly> Kilos: it is a postponed, self-inflicted deadline.
[15:30] <Kilos> but flu got her down for a bit now
[15:30] <Kilos> oh thats ok
[15:31] <Kilos> thats like peeps that complian about feeling bad with a barby after a night inna pub
[15:31] <superfly> Kilos: yes, it is a good thing
[15:32] <Kilos> inetpro, go home
[15:35] <Kilos> bakuman, how we supposed to skinner about you if you lurk in away mode??
[15:35] <Kilos> skinder
[15:35] <Kilos> daai ding
[15:35] <Kilos> wb mazal 
[15:35] <mazal> elo
[15:36] <superfly> Yo mazal
[15:36] <mazal> Hey superfly 
[15:36] <superfly> Expectations are a curious thing...
[15:36] <Kilos> tell
[15:37] <superfly> Later, it's a bit of a long story
[15:37] <Kilos> ok
[15:46] <bakuman> wel oom Kilos. jy moet nie!
[15:46] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[15:47] <Kilos> skelm
[15:47] <bakuman> :D
[15:49] <Kilos> hey superfly am i an ubuntu member?
[15:50] <Kilos> ive signed the code of conduct thing but dunno if thats it
[15:51] <Kilos> oh its that ~launchpad thing
[15:51] <Kilos> ?
[15:53] <superfly> Kilos: if you're part of the team on Lunchpad then you're a member of the LoCo. An Ubuntu member is something slightly different, I think.
[15:54] <Kilos> i dont think im part of any team
[15:54] <Kilos> sigh
[16:11] <mazal> ag nee
[16:11] <mazal> Daar is my playlist weg :(
[16:13] <Kilos> ai hoe?
[16:16] <mazal> Het my rythmbox music location reggemaak
[16:17] <Kilos> ah i use vlc
[16:17] <mazal> One probably can't select a bunch of mp3's in Nautilus and send them to a rhythmbox playlist no ?
[16:18] <Kilos> with vlc you can put all your music inna folder and run the folder
[16:22] <mazal> Ag is ok , I'll redo it , wasn't very far , only started yesterday
[16:25] <Kilos> ah
[16:26] <Kilos> vlc plays all videos as well without wanting to look for stuff
[16:26] <Kilos> sudo aptitude install vlc
[16:26] <mazal> **note to self** DONT change rhythmbox location lol
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:27] <mazal> I use vlc for my videos
[16:27] <Kilos> good
[16:28] <mazal> I'm off
[16:28] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[16:28] <Kilos> magespawn, you aint gone home yet?
[16:38] <Squirm> long day
[16:39] <magespawn> evening all
[16:39] <Kilos> hi Squirm magespawn 
[16:39] <magespawn> your power on my power off
[16:49] <magtie> Hi Kilos & All
[16:49] <Kilos> hi there magtie 
[16:49] <Kilos> hows you
[16:50] <Kilos> you beat me again
[16:50] <Kilos> must be getting old
[16:50] <magtie> very good just busy
[16:50] <magtie> older too...
[16:50] <Kilos> lol
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat now
[16:59] <Kilos> wbb
[17:14] <magespawn> looks like my server is back up
[17:18] <Kilos> yay
[17:18] <magespawn> still can't seem to log remotely
[17:24] <Kilos> ai
[17:25] <magespawn> something for tomorrow then
[17:25] <Kilos> ya
[17:25] <Kilos> hi Kerbero 
[17:32] <Kilos> oh my something killing peeps
[17:32] <Kilos> 4 at a time
[17:35] <magtie> Luckily 2 heros save them & bring them back
[17:36] <magtie> once anyway
[17:37] <Kilos> hehe
[17:37] <Kilos> the internet really sucks
[17:37] <Kilos> one would think it would be stable by now
[17:38] <Kilos> they in the cape most of them i think
[17:38] <Kilos> mountains in the way
[17:38] <Kilos> or cape weather
[17:39] <Kilos> nuvolari, ping
[17:48] <magespawn> yeah but we all use international servers on this network
[17:48] <Kilos> magespawn, you got some time
[17:49] <magespawn> sure
[17:49] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2USGpOKPe
[17:49] <Kilos> taras pc rebooted on its own
[17:49] <TaraLS> Hiya
[17:49] <Kilos> is it the firewall stopping bugs?
[17:49] <Kilos> ah hiya
[17:49] <TaraLS> After changing my CPU overclocking thingy to 'manual', and it being set at 200 (valid input values between 200-600), I watched Youtube to see if it would freeze.
[17:49] <TaraLS> The temps are staying down, which is a first.
[17:50] <TaraLS> But then I got this weird beep, and then the comp restarted
[17:50] <TaraLS> Didn't even freeze.
[17:50] <TaraLS> Well, not "but then". It was about thirty mins I think
[17:51] <Kilos> that link is cat /var/log/syslog
[17:51] <Kilos> here is tail
[17:51] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2nrK5KtbL
[17:53] <Kilos> i would say the firewall blocked something in youre ethernet connection and rebooted to stop it getting in
[17:53] <Kilos> but im a noob
[17:53] <TaraLS> Well that's crap
[17:53] <TaraLS> I can't have my comp rebooting randomly. lol
[17:53] <Kilos> if it stops virri getting in what apleasure
[17:54] <Kilos> better than formatting drive and reinstalling
[17:54] <TaraLS> It's still not normal for a comp to reboot itself
[17:54] <Kilos> but lets here what the experts read in there
[17:54] <TaraLS> I wonder what the weird beep was
[17:54] <TaraLS> The beep, btw, was  through the headphones, not from the computer tower.
[17:54] <Kilos> warning beep
[17:55] <magespawn> they do not generally reboot to stop virii
[17:55] <nuvolari> o/ g'evening 
[17:55] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[17:55] <nuvolari> lo TaraLS 
[17:55] <TaraLS> nuvolari,  Yo.
[17:55] <nuvolari> lo magespawn 
[17:55] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[17:56] <Kilos> wat betekin daai links
[17:56] <magespawn> they do not that to stop hardware from being damaged usually
[17:56] <Kilos> of wat se dit vir jou
[17:56] <magespawn> hey nuvolari 
[17:56] <magespawn> sorry ignoremthat lasr on from me
[17:56] <nuvolari> waai links oom?
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe
[17:56] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2nrK5KtbL
[17:56] <magespawn> cann not type tonight
[17:57] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2USGpOKPe
[17:57] <nuvolari> ek sien daai, maar wat daarvan oom?
[17:57] <nuvolari> verstaan sy Afrikaans oom? :P
[17:57]  * nuvolari gossips about TaraLS
[17:57] <Kilos> eerste is tail en tweede cat /var/log/syslog
[17:57] <TaraLS> I no speak Afrikaans
[17:57] <Kilos> oh no sorry
[17:58] <TaraLS> Meanies
[17:58] <Kilos> we talking bout you not too you brat
[17:58] <Kilos> hehe
[17:58] <TaraLS> Shup old man
[17:58] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[17:58] <nuvolari> kan ek haar trou oom? :P
[17:58] <Kilos> vra
[17:58] <nuvolari> ek var oom mos eers *kug*
[17:59] <TaraLS> So anyway, when streaming video, or converting on VLC, the Core temps would get up to 53c. Be in the red. Now that I've set the CPU clocking to 'manual', and it is at 200 (of between 200-600), the Core temps are staying at a nice, green, 37c
[17:59] <Kilos> kyk daai lienks eers
[17:59] <Kilos> TaraLS, nuvolari asking me if he can marry you
[18:00] <Kilos> hehe
[18:00] <Kilos> tell him when he has made his third million
[18:00] <TaraLS> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903822
[18:00]  * TaraLS not interested in getting married.
[18:00]  * TaraLS only interested in fixing computer and making music.
[18:01] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:01] <TaraLS> Awwuh
[18:01]  * nuvolari 's dreams are shattered now
[18:01] <TaraLS> nuvolari,  Sides, if you and I wanted to marry, we wouldn't need Kilos' permission :P We'd just do it anyway.
[18:01]  * TaraLS CACKLES.
[18:01] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, praat oom van "Nov 22 04:44:43 taralynn-System-Product-Name kernel: [  102.470113] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:24:8c:e9:8e:b5:90:f6:52:48:f6:4d:08:00 SRC=41.191.124.10 DST=192.168.1.106 LEN=117 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=53 ID=60483 PROTO=TCP SPT=9119 DPT=57526 WINDOW=16 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0" ?
[18:01] <Kilos> yes nuvolari 
[18:02] <Kilos> pc just rebooted on its own
[18:02] <nuvolari> hmm
[18:02] <nuvolari> sounds like heating problems
[18:02] <nuvolari> my laptop started doing that
[18:02] <TaraLS> But the temps on Hardware Sensor Detector were fine
[18:02] <TaraLS> Better than they've been before
[18:02] <nuvolari> then stopped when I cleaned out the dust from the vents
[18:02] <Kilos> all temps were good according to the sensors
[18:02] <TaraLS> MB was showing red, but it was 31c.
[18:03] <TaraLS> I was watching Youtube. Temps climbed in CPU and MB from 27cish to 31c but stabilized at 31c.
[18:03] <TaraLS> CPU now 25c, and MB 29c.
[18:03] <TaraLS> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903822
[18:04] <nuvolari> howdy smile4ever 
[18:04]  * TaraLS waves to smile4ever 
[18:04] <nuvolari> hmm, I'm not accustomed to desktops any more
[18:04] <nuvolari> oom Kilos has mine :P
[18:04] <TaraLS> :(
[18:04] <nuvolari> :/
[18:05] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[18:05] <nuvolari> @>-'--;--
[18:05] <nuvolari> :P
[18:05] <magespawn> hey smile4ever 
[18:05] <Kilos> we wait then for an explanation
[18:05] <TaraLS> An explanation from what?
[18:05] <nuvolari> the thing about the network lines... I don't know, I have it when connecting to 8ta, but not vodacom
[18:06] <nuvolari> so I guess it's network related
[18:06] <magespawn> sorry Kilos but i cannot see anything obviously wrong
[18:06] <nuvolari> well, something similar
[18:06] <Kilos> from the logs girl
[18:06] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Of course not.
[18:06] <TaraLS> magespawn,  Because that would be too easy.
[18:06] <smile4ever> hoi :p
[18:06] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:06] <magespawn> maybe ask inetpro or superfly
[18:06]  * smile4ever waves back to TaraLS
[18:06] <TaraLS> magespawn,  and NORMAL.
[18:06]  * TaraLS hates PC.
[18:06] <smile4ever> & says hi to nuvolari & Kilos & magespawn
[18:06] <Kilos> oh my
[18:06] <smile4ever> all happy? :D
[18:07] <TaraLS> Nope lol
[18:07] <magespawn> i also do not have enough experince with linux yet
[18:08] <nuvolari> all happy yes, it's Mittwoch :D
[18:08] <nuvolari> klein-saterdag
[18:09]  * TaraLS is converting video now, from Youtube, using VLC. We will see what happens.
[18:10] <nuvolari> geez, it's very hot here
[18:11] <nuvolari> ok, bbl
[18:11] <Kilos> when debs and i used to chat on msn in pidgin either pidgin hing or pc rebooted at times
[18:11] <Kilos> and i was told scrap msn they fulla bugs
[18:15] <Kilos> nuvolari, and inetpro told me not to use msn
[18:15] <Kilos> and dunno who else
[18:15] <Kilos> was near 3 years ago and you old peeps wont member either
[18:18]  * TaraLS siiiighs.
[18:22] <TaraLS> Nov 22 05:20:04 taralynn-System-Product-Name kernel: [  299.988019] [Hardware Error]: Machine check events logged
[18:22] <TaraLS> GAZP. 'Hardware error'.
[18:22] <TaraLS> Which piieeeeece
[18:22] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s20OQbbDbP
[18:23] <TaraLS> That was cat. Here is tail:
[18:23] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s208ugMG3k
[18:23] <Kilos> where did you see the hardware error message kiddo
[18:24] <TaraLS> In those syslogs
[18:24] <Kilos> whew
[18:24] <inetpro> good evening
[18:24] <TaraLS> inetpro, Yo
[18:24] <smile4ever> TaraLS: why not happy :(
[18:25] <TaraLS> smile4ever, Because my computer is a piece of... 8D
[18:25] <Kilos> now we wait for someone to tell how to see them events thing
[18:25] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[18:25] <kbmonkey> hi hi
[18:25] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  Sup
[18:25]  * inetpro just stepped in
[18:25] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[18:25] <smile4ever> TaraLS: lol :p
[18:25] <inetpro> how much reading today?
[18:25] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s208ugMG3k
[18:26] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s20OQbbDbP
[18:26] <Kilos> where be the hardware error
[18:26] <Kilos> where do we see events
[18:27] <kbmonkey> meh
[18:27] <inetpro> what does uncle google have to say about it?
[18:27] <Kilos> the one site say open another port in router thing
[18:28] <TaraLS> http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/hardware/460826-opensuse-11-4-hardware-error-machine-check-events-logged.html
[18:29] <Kilos>  Wow! Google couldn't find anything
[18:30] <TaraLS> "You could try reading this <http://www.halobates.de/mce.pdf>
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... you and google are not friends
[18:30] <TaraLS> and <http://www.halobates.de/supp-mce.pdf>
[18:30] <TaraLS> They're rather old but probably still describe the basics. In particular
[18:30] <TaraLS> you could check /var/log/mcelog and maybe /dev/mcelog"
[18:30] <inetpro> clearly
[18:30] <TaraLS> Whassa mcelog stuff?
[18:30] <TaraLS> How do I do it?
[18:30] <Kilos> lol you know that inetpro 
[18:30] <smile4ever> I haven't seen charlvn for a while :(
[18:30] <inetpro> TaraLS: that would be unrelated
[18:30] <inetpro> I think
[18:31] <inetpro> then again, maybe not
[18:31]  * inetpro reading
[18:32] <inetpro> mcelog seems to be a separate application and all
[18:32] <Kilos> we just need to pinpoint the faulty component
[18:32] <inetpro> x86 Machine Check Exceptions collector and decoder
[18:32] <TaraLS> Well
[18:32] <TaraLS> He used mcelog and it showed him stuff
[18:33] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s2M3Y6UkY9
[18:33] <Kilos> we need more than stuff
[18:33] <TaraLS> And then someone else was like "That looks like a CPU error"
[18:33] <Kilos> as in cpu psu ram etc etc
[18:33] <TaraLS> So I need something that will show me specifics so someone can be like "Yeah, that's CPU alright." or something else.
[18:34] <kbmonkey> brb
[18:34]  * inetpro reading http://mcelog.org/README.html
[18:35] <inetpro> mcelog is in the repositories, but I don't know what it does and whether it's even a good idea to install it
[18:35] <Kilos> oh my
[18:36] <kbmonkey> using my pc without the X GUI today :p
[18:36] <Kilos> in text mode?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> yebo
[18:37] <Kilos> eish bally keyboardmonkey
[18:38]  * inetpro lagging 
[18:38] <Kilos> or is your pc sick too
[18:39] <smile4ever> Some guys have all the luck! :D
[18:39] <smile4ever> Some guys have all the luck, Some guys have all the pain, Some guys get all the breaks, Some guys do nothing but complain 
[18:39] <smile4ever> :p
[18:39] <inetpro> and some guys just keep smiling?
[18:39] <kbmonkey> lol!
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <inetpro> hi smile4ever :-)
[18:40] <Kilos> peer got the monkey
[18:40] <TaraLS> Oh well.
[18:40] <TaraLS> I guess I'll just take it to the comp shop
[18:40] <kbmonkey> hang on, got to copy my irssi config over
[18:40] <Kilos> they will be lost with ubuntu on it
[18:40] <kbmonkey> hardware issues, TaraLS?
[18:40] <TaraLS> I think it pretty much is, yeah. 
[18:40] <TaraLS> I can't fix it.
[18:40] <TaraLS> Not even all you brilliant brains can fix it
[18:41]  * inetpro agrees
[18:41] <inetpro> must be a hardware issue
[18:41] <kbmonkey> these things happen
[18:41] <inetpro> questions is just what part of it
[18:41] <TaraLS> It has to be something obvious at this point, because there's NO way it's something SO complicated that NO ONE is seeing it
[18:41] <TaraLS> inetpro,  Yes.
[18:41] <smile4ever> hi inetpro :D
[18:41] <smile4ever> inetpro: yes I'll keep smiling :D
[18:42] <TaraLS> smile4ever,  You'll smile forever, hey? :D
[18:42] <inetpro> lol
[18:42] <smile4ever> of c I do :p
[18:42] <Kilos> lol he isnt old enough to have probs yet
[18:43] <smile4ever> I do have some :p but I try to solve them in a good and quick way :p
[18:43] <smile4ever> And some aren't solvable :p
[18:44] <Kilos> everything is solvable
[18:44] <Kilos> just to find the prob part is the trick
[18:44] <inetpro> wb Vince-0
[18:44] <Vince-0> oh hi!
[18:44] <Kilos> lo Vince-0 
[18:45] <inetpro> Vince-0: did ou sort out your rusted cables?
[18:45] <smile4ever> Kilos: :)
[18:45] <inetpro> s/ou/you/
[18:45] <smile4ever> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/556377_367423073332379_1800904965_n.jpg <- cute! :D
[18:46]  * TaraLS sniffs.
[18:46] <Vince-0> inetpro, nope hopefully the rain holds out
[18:46] <Kilos> wb Kerbero 
[18:47] <TaraLS> http://www.advancedclustering.com/faq/im-getting-mce-machine-check-exception-errors-what-does-this-mean.html
[18:47] <TaraLS> Eeeeeh.
[18:48] <Kilos> whew nets messy tonight
[18:49] <Kilos> inetpro, shouldnt she install that mce thing
[18:49] <magespawn> good night all
[18:49] <smile4ever> TaraLS: big hug :)
[18:49] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[18:49] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:49] <inetpro> good night magespawn
[18:49] <kbmonkey> gn magespawn 
[18:49] <TaraLS> Blah
[18:49] <TaraLS> Too slow.
[18:50] <inetpro> TaraLS: the more I read that kind of stuff the more I get impressed by developers
[18:50] <inetpro> clever dudes
[18:50] <TaraLS> inetpro,  Yeah
[18:51] <inetpro> just amazing how far they go with testing and analysis
[18:51] <TaraLS> inetpro,  Well, they should come -my- way and help me for free.
[18:51] <TaraLS> Or maybe I'll make them dinner.
[18:51] <TaraLS> Or sing for them.
[18:52] <inetpro> TaraLS: your local pc shop will have to employ you
[18:52] <kbmonkey> dinner and serenades, sounds epic!
[18:52] <smile4ever> TaraLS: has your car overheated? :o
[18:53] <TaraLS> smile4ever,  ... Eh? I said nothing about a car.
[18:53] <TaraLS> inetpro,  I know. lol.
[18:53] <TaraLS> kbmonkey,  I said dinner OR sing. Not both. :P
[18:53] <smile4ever> TaraLS: but I did :p
[18:54] <smile4ever> TaraLS: there is help on the way :p
[18:54] <Kilos> fixing that pc is worth both
[18:54] <Kilos> at least
[18:54] <inetpro> TaraLS: anyway, I guess the best method would be to go swap out each piece of hardware in your machine
[18:54] <TaraLS> Kilos,  lol
[18:54] <kbmonkey> Fair enough! I enjoy working the kitchen myself :>
[18:54] <TaraLS> inetpro, Well... I only have access to another PSU. Which is 240V (I have no idea how many watts)
[18:55] <TaraLS> My current one is 250v.
[18:55] <TaraLS> And the wattage is
[18:55] <Kilos> thats fine
[18:55] <inetpro> I don't think it's the PSU
[18:55] <Kilos> cpu
[18:55] <TaraLS> ATX-400WB+P4
[18:55]  * TaraLS shrugs!
[18:55] <TaraLS> At a loss.
[18:55] <inetpro> you'll see PSU errors
[18:55] <Kilos> ah where will you see them
[18:56] <Kilos> what if the reboot was the psu switching mb off
[18:56] <inetpro> Kilos: in syslog
[18:56] <Kilos> then back on
[18:56] <inetpro> if it's a clever PSU, which I actually doubt
[18:56] <Kilos> oh good
[18:56] <TaraLS> Okay so
[18:57] <TaraLS> Isn' t there something more specific than cat or tail /var/log/syslog ?
[18:57] <inetpro> anyway, I would guess the cpu being the problem
[18:57] <inetpro> you did swap out memory?
[18:57] <TaraLS> It's not a memory problem
[18:57] <TaraLS> I didn't swap them with other memory sticks, but I did take one out, used the other, and vice versa.
[18:57] <inetpro> TaraLS: what do you want to do with syslog?
[18:57] <TaraLS> And I've done a memtest
[18:58] <TaraLS> inetpro,  Find out more specifically what the problem is.
[18:58] <Squirm> Maaz: sherry please
[18:58] <Maaz> Squirm: Go get it yourself!
[18:58] <Squirm> :/
[18:58] <inetpro> syslog is just a log file
[18:58] <TaraLS> I'm talking about something better and more detailed than syslog
[18:58] <TaraLS> Is there anything?
[18:59] <TaraLS> This mcelog seems like a good bet, but it looks a bit... 'root'ish
[18:59] <TaraLS> And, therefore, is mildly intimidating
[18:59] <inetpro> and cat is just a command to concatenate files and print on the standard output
[18:59] <Squirm> TaraLS: I think the next step up is to submit a kernel dump to Ubuntu/wherever
[18:59] <kbmonkey> awre, I did not realize the time. shower and dinner time
[18:59] <TaraLS> Squirm,  What's a kernel dump?
[18:59] <inetpro> while tail just gives you the tail end of a file
[19:00] <Squirm> pretty raw information on why a program crashes
[19:00] <TaraLS> Squirm,  Well blah! How do I do that?
[19:00] <Squirm> but listen to inetpro, he knows more than me
[19:00] <inetpro> haha
[19:00] <TaraLS> It's not program-related, anyway.
[19:00] <Squirm> TaraLS: dunno, I can't seem to get it right
[19:00] <TaraLS> It's computer-related. The whole thing freezes, not just a program crashing
[19:00] <inetpro> TaraLS: I don't think you will get much more than what you already have in the syslog
[19:00] <Squirm> TaraLS: it will be. something will crash which makes your system hang
[19:00] <inetpro> but might be worth a try
[19:01] <TaraLS> I think I'm just gonna get it taken in
[19:01] <TaraLS> Otherwise we're gonna go in circles
[19:01] <Squirm> inetpro: problem with a kernel dump, is she'll have to submit it to somewhere high up for analysis
[19:01] <Kilos> you will have to go with the pc
[19:02] <Kilos> lotsa pc shops dunno ubuntu
[19:02] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Obviously.
[19:02] <TaraLS> Kilos,  So I can explain whassup.
[19:02] <TaraLS> Kilos,  I could just reinstall Windows.
[19:02] <Squirm> TaraLS: I think you need to try ram in there that you know is working.
[19:02] <TaraLS> Be like "Here. Have at it."
[19:02] <TaraLS> Squirm,  Dude, I did a memtest86. There are no RAM issues.
[19:02] <Squirm> ok
[19:02] <Squirm> hdd test?
[19:02] <Kilos> the prob is the shops charge heavy
[19:02] <inetpro> TaraLS: with what you have already the guy will think that you're a genius from Mars
[19:02] <TaraLS> Why does no one seem interested in the fact that my problems started when I pulled out two flash drives at the same time without unmounting them?
[19:02] <Kilos> what do cpus cost there
[19:03] <TaraLS> Squirm,  HDD is fine. Did the disk check or whatever it is.
[19:03] <TaraLS> inetpro,  Yeah.
[19:03] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Well Kilos, I can't avoid a shop at this point.
[19:03] <Squirm> TaraLS: cause that doesn't effect anything other than the data being copied to.from the disks
[19:03] <Kilos> haha @ the pro
[19:03] <Squirm> TaraLS: windows disk check? or run something like Victoria on it?
[19:03] <inetpro> TaraLS: unlikely the flash drives that caused it
[19:04] <TaraLS> I did all the troubleshooting on Windows, and then switched to Ubuntu
[19:04] <Kilos> no man the hdd is fine
[19:04] <TaraLS> I did the Ubuntu disk check where you can select the HDD
[19:04] <TaraLS> I can't remember what it's called exactly
[19:04] <Squirm> Kilos: my question is, how do you know?
[19:04] <TaraLS> Or how to get back to it
[19:04] <Kilos> ubuntu shows quickly if drive is unhappy
[19:04] <TaraLS> Yeah. My HDD is fine.
[19:04] <TaraLS> Plus, I've had two different ones since my problems began
[19:04] <inetpro> isolation is the key here
[19:04] <Squirm> Kilos: Ubuntu shows if S.M.A.R.T is happy
[19:04] <Kilos> i have seen a few times when ubuntu warns of drive failure
[19:04] <Kilos> and imminent drive failure
[19:05] <Squirm> Kilos: and I've had drives with no warning that are dead
[19:05] <Kilos> and lotsa bad sectors
[19:05] <inetpro> I agree that a HDD will report many issues
[19:05] <Squirm> inetpro: yep. but not all :/
[19:05] <inetpro> Squirm: true
[19:05] <Squirm> TaraLS: right. we don't know whats wrong. that's why I'm asking if you've done all this. I think the memtest86 is decent enough. but I don't trust windows disk check.
[19:05] <Kilos> ya but this one is working Squirm  so will show when probs show up
[19:06] <Squirm> or smart for that matter :/\
[19:06] <Kilos> i dont even trust windows time
[19:06] <TaraLS> Squirm,  I told you, I did a Ubuntu disk check as well.
[19:06] <Squirm> fsck?
[19:07] <Kilos> methinks cpu
[19:07] <Kilos> yeah i got her to touch /forcefsck
[19:07] <inetpro> I think either cpu or motherboard
[19:07] <TaraLS> Per someone's suggestion via a forum
[19:07] <TaraLS> "You may want to check your hard drive in case it is failing. To do so, run "Disk Utility," select your drive on the right, and then click "SMART Data" and then "Run Self-Test.""
[19:07] <TaraLS> That's what I did.
[19:07] <TaraLS> Disk Utility
[19:08] <TaraLS> Even without doing that, I could tell you that it's not my HDD, because I've had two DIFFERENT HDDs since my problems began.
[19:08] <Kilos> ah
[19:08] <TaraLS> They can't -both- be screwed.
[19:08] <TaraLS> Unless something is screwing them up as soon as they're installed.
[19:08] <inetpro> most likely the cpu
[19:08] <TaraLS> How do I know if my mom's comp's CPU will work in mine?
[19:08] <Kilos> yip
[19:08] <TaraLS> How do I check that, I mean
[19:09] <Kilos> what um
[19:09] <Squirm> TaraLS: does it only freeze watching videos?
[19:09] <TaraLS> Mine's a dual-core, though. I very much doubt that hers is.
[19:09] <Kilos> lga i think
[19:09] <Kilos> socket
[19:09] <Kilos> 775
[19:09] <TaraLS> A refurbished, 225mb RAM, horizontal PC lol
[19:09] <inetpro> Squirm: anything that requires a lot of CPU
[19:09] <Squirm> TaraLS: if the socket size is the same, the cpu will work
[19:09] <inetpro> I guess a game of chess will freeze it up very quickly
[19:09] <Squirm> LGA 775
[19:09] <TaraLS> Squirm,  In Windows, it froze when I used Windows Movie Maker, Avid Pro Tools SE, Cakewalk Home Studio, Photoshop (after about two/three hours, clicking save made it freeze), and streaming video.
[19:10] <Kilos> ubuntu will cry if it runs at all with 225 mB ram
[19:10] <TaraLS> Squirm,  I stress - STREAMING video. Watching video on my hard drive is fine.
[19:10] <Squirm> ok
[19:10] <inetpro> I guess streaming video requires a lot of decoding
[19:10] <Squirm> yeah
[19:10] <TaraLS> And also converting video from URL on VLC
[19:11] <Squirm> TaraLS: what is your moms processor? what is yours?
[19:11] <TaraLS> Squirm,  I don't know what hers is. How do I check what mine is?
[19:11] <Squirm> in terminal, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:11] <Squirm> or check system monitor
[19:11] <Squirm> :P
[19:12] <Squirm> sorry, terminal has become my first train of thought :/
[19:12] <TaraLS> http://slexy.org/view/s2bT5ewbnP
[19:12] <TaraLS> I like using the terminal
[19:12] <TaraLS> I just don't know the commands
[19:12] <Squirm> yours will probably be LGA 775
[19:13] <Squirm> bout 4/5 years old?
[19:13] <TaraLS> I dunno
[19:13] <TaraLS> I've had the comp for 3
[19:13] <TaraLS> I saw a date somewhere that was 2005, though
[19:13] <TaraLS> The BIOS is from 2007
[19:13] <inetpro> TaraLS: you're a very quick learner
[19:14] <Squirm> Sockets Supported	LGA775
[19:14] <Squirm> yeah, 775
[19:14] <Squirm> I googled Intel E5300
[19:14] <TaraLS> inetpro,  I am. I just wish I could figure out this stupid computer.
[19:14] <Squirm> so as long as your mothers socket is also LGA 775, it will work with no issues
[19:15] <TaraLS> Squirm,  Well, I don't imagine the peeps who built the comp would have put it in a socket that was NOT matching the CPU, right? I'd be so annoyed if that was the case.
[19:15] <Kilos> but she cant get the cover open
[19:15] <inetpro> ai
[19:15] <Squirm> TaraLS: you can't do that
[19:15] <TaraLS> Oh. lol... I had a blonde moment
[19:15] <Kilos> it wont work with wrong cpu
[19:15] <Kilos> at all
[19:15] <TaraLS> You said 'mothers' and I assumed 'motherboard'
[19:15] <TaraLS> Anyway.
[19:15] <Squirm> they change the shape
[19:15]  * TaraLS whistles.
[19:16] <Squirm> lol
[19:16] <TaraLS> So a CPU cannot fit into a motherboard that it doesn't work with? As in, if it DOES fit, it will work? Or?
[19:16] <Squirm> yes
[19:16] <Squirm> you won't need to force it in
[19:16] <Squirm> it should sit bery nicely
[19:16] <TaraLS> How do I check what my mother's is?
[19:16] <TaraLS> Is that msconfig or something?
[19:17] <Kilos> in the info on moms pc you sent me years ago it will give the info on cpu type
[19:17] <inetpro> TaraLS: boot up with the live cd
[19:17] <Squirm> maybe in task manager, it may have her cpu model number
[19:17] <TaraLS> Kilos,  I'm not even sure what you're talking about.
[19:17] <Squirm> like yours is E5300
[19:17] <Squirm> I mean
[19:17] <Squirm> right click on My Computer, select properties
[19:17] <Squirm> in there
[19:17] <TaraLS> inetpro,  Boot up with live CD? Why?
[19:18] <inetpro> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:18] <inetpro> :-)
[19:18] <Squirm> :P
[19:18] <TaraLS> inetpro,  You lost me.
[19:18] <Squirm> or do what I said ;)
[19:18] <Kilos> moms pc he means
[19:18] <Kilos> from live cd
[19:18] <TaraLS> Oh. Bahaha
[19:19] <inetpro> TaraLS: on your mothers PC, with live cd, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:19] <TaraLS> Not a bad idea, but it might not even work on mom's PC. It's so... weak.
[19:19] <inetpro> one way
[19:19] <TaraLS> I'll do it the normal, doable way.
[19:19] <Squirm> TaraLS: if it's slow, is one thing. if it crashes, it's another
[19:19] <TaraLS> Wait one. Gotta go plug it back in etc
[19:19] <Kilos> hehe
[19:20] <Squirm> just for the record. ever want to test a computer. Hirens boot cd ftw
[19:21] <Kilos> size of download Squirm 
[19:21] <inetpro> wb Banlam
[19:21] <Squirm> looking around 700mb
[19:21]  * Squirm finds isop
[19:21] <Squirm> iso
[19:21] <Kilos> whew
[19:21] <Squirm> -rw-r--r-- 1 sinjin sinjin 501M Dec  7  2011 Hiren's.BootCD.15.1.iso
[19:21] <Squirm> 501M
[19:22] <Kilos> i think i got debs pc info on maverick still
[19:22] <Kilos> booting
[19:25] <inetpro> Squirm: most if not all of those tools are available for ubuntu as well
[19:25] <inetpro> just need to get each one individually
[19:25] <Squirm> inetpro: yeah
[19:26] <Squirm> it's just handy when you're working with many windows pcs
[19:26] <Squirm> and it's kind of hard to scan a pc that isn't booting if you have the software on that pc ;)
[19:26] <TaraLS> Allow me a moment to lol
[19:26] <TaraLS> And perhaps be happy
[19:26] <TaraLS> Not sure about the happy, yet.
[19:26] <inetpro> Squirm: true
[19:26] <TaraLS> Mom's is
[19:26] <inetpro> TaraLS: why?
[19:27] <TaraLS> Intel 4 CPU 2.80 GHz
[19:27] <inetpro> model?
[19:27] <TaraLS> Pen..tium?
[19:27] <Squirm> P4 are usually LGA775 though
[19:27] <Kilos> 468 or 775
[19:28] <TaraLS> I'm very cold
[19:28] <inetpro> we need the processor number, I think
[19:28] <Squirm> TaraLS: does it have a model number?
[19:28] <TaraLS> My fingers may fall off
[19:28] <TaraLS> inetpro,  Squirm,  Where do I find that?
[19:28] <TaraLS> Processor number is the E5300?
[19:28] <Squirm> yes
[19:28] <Squirm> found this on a website
[19:28] <TaraLS> Okay, wait one
[19:28] <Squirm> P4s use the following sockets:
[19:28] <Squirm> Socket 432
[19:28] <Squirm> Socket 478
[19:28] <Squirm> LGA775
[19:28] <Squirm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icroprocessors
[19:28] <Squirm> You will need to know the model number of the chip to determine the socket it uses.
[19:30] <inetpro> http://ark.intel.com/products/35300/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5300-2M-Cache-2_60-GHz-800-MHz-FSB
[19:30] <inetpro> if you look at that the processor number is E5300
[19:31] <TaraLS> Ummmmm
[19:31] <TaraLS> Well
[19:31] <TaraLS> on device manager
[19:31] <TaraLS> the processor is shown as
[19:31] <inetpro> .......
[19:31] <TaraLS> ACPI\GENUINEINTEL_-_x86_FAMILY_15_MODEL_4\_I
[19:31] <TaraLS> ?
[19:31] <inetpro> hmmm
[19:32] <inetpro> cat /proc/cpuinfo should tell more
[19:32] <TaraLS> Blah. Okay. I will try that.
[19:32] <Squirm> TaraLS: wait
[19:32] <Squirm> 1sec
[19:32] <TaraLS> k
[19:32]  * TaraLS senses a Windows/Ubuntu war afoot...
[19:32] <Kilos> if its E5300 its same as yours
[19:32] <TaraLS> Kilos,  Well yes, Kilos.
[19:33] <Kilos> then its also lga 775
[19:33] <Kilos> but maybe single core and your dual
[19:33] <Kilos> but will work
[19:33] <TaraLS> Well... In device manager, it's got two separate cores.
[19:33] <TaraLS> Even though it doesn't say it's dual-core or anything
[19:33] <smile4ever> byee :)
[19:33] <Squirm> The simplest, just under Windows, is to display the properties system.
[19:33] <inetpro> Kilos: but she didn't say that it is E5300
[19:33] <Squirm> Left-click on Menu "Start", left-click on "Control Panel" ... Opening the Control Panel.
[19:33] <Squirm> In this window (Panel), a list of icons displayed, and one of these icons, you will find an icon called "System" in which you double-click it.
[19:33] <Squirm> The properties are displayed Systems and the first tab is called "General".
[19:33] <Squirm> On this tab is the name of your processor, its operating frequency type and its actual incidence.
[19:33] <Kilos> toods smile4ever 
[19:33] <Squirm> Also included in the information below is the total memory (RAM) installed on your computer.
[19:33] <TaraLS> Like, there are two separate selectable options for the processor on device manager.
[19:34] <Squirm> sorry for the paste
[19:34] <smile4ever> tot morgen :)
[19:34] <TaraLS> Okay, brb
[19:34] <inetpro> Squirm: np
[19:34] <TaraLS> smile4ever,  *wave*
[19:34] <smile4ever> wave back! :D
[19:34] <Squirm> TaraLS: that just means it's dual core. your system essentially thinks there is 2 processors
[19:34] <TaraLS> Yeah. Mom has 504mb of RAM
[19:34] <Squirm> or has hyper threading. where your mother board essentially makes 2 cores
[19:34] <TaraLS> Squirm,  So mom's is dual-core too, then?
[19:34] <Kilos> ah sorry inetpro saw that come up again so thought it was the other one
[19:35] <inetpro> lol
[19:35] <TaraLS> K brb
[19:35] <Squirm> pentium 4 isnt dual core. so your motherboard has hyper threading
[19:36] <Kilos> yeah hyper can be enabled when you upgrade to dual core or core2
[19:36] <Kilos> but the function is there in bios
[19:36] <Squirm> Kilos: I don't think so. It is always there if your motherboard supports it. or it's enabled by default
[19:36] <TaraLS> Blah
[19:36] <TaraLS> That's where I was before
[19:37] <TaraLS> It only shows what I told you
[19:37] <TaraLS> No number or whatever
[19:37] <Squirm> maybe the bios tells you?
[19:37] <TaraLS> No e5300 etc
[19:37] <Squirm> meh
[19:37] <Kilos> i have the hyperthreading option in nuvos pc but the cpu info says it a single core cpu
[19:37] <Squirm> umm
[19:37] <TaraLS> brb. I go xchat on mom's comp so I don't have to go back and forth
[19:37] <Kilos> TaraLS, you once gave me a link to what moms pc had going for it
[19:37] <TaraLS> Duh.
[19:38] <Kilos> member
[19:38] <Squirm> Kilos: if you `cat /proc/cpuinfo` it should say you have 2 processors
[19:38] <Kilos> i cant find it now
[19:38] <TaraLS> Kilos,  I already said I don't know what you're talking about. And I don't remember.
[19:38] <Kilos> ok i check Squirm 
[19:39] <Kilos> nope 1 core
[19:39] <Kilos> she forgets more than me
[19:39] <Kilos> whew
[19:40] <inetpro> Kilos: don't tell her that :-)
[19:40] <Squirm> lol
[19:41] <Kilos> lol
[19:41] <Kilos> baie parmantig
[19:41] <bakuman> O_O
[19:42] <inetpro> ooooO (0 ^ 0) Ooooo
[19:44] <bakuman> weirdo
[19:44] <inetpro> she's back
[19:46] <TaraLS> Whew
[19:46] <TaraLS> Cold
[19:46] <TaraLS> Okay
[19:46] <TaraLS> What am I doing? lol
[19:46] <inetpro> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[19:46] <TaraLS> Oh.
[19:46] <TaraLS> Bah. Okay.
[19:46] <TaraLS> brb. 
[19:46] <Kilos> one should never tidy up a desktop
[19:46] <Kilos> nothing can be found again
[19:47] <inetpro> TaraLS: and paste at http://slexy.org/
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: I put slexy in there ^^ for you
[19:49] <Kilos> are we accepting the meet date inetpro 
[19:49] <Kilos> yay ty my friend
[19:49] <inetpro> Kilos: well, let that be until everyone agrees on another date
[19:49] <Kilos> much better than ubuntu bin
[19:49] <Kilos> you so clever
[19:50] <inetpro> haha
[19:50] <Kilos> maybe ill tweet for comments on that date hey?
[19:50] <Kilos> its hard to get peeps here at once to discuss it
[19:50] <inetpro> Kilos: do that
[19:51] <Kilos> ok
[19:51] <inetpro> but not now
[19:51] <inetpro> tomorrow when most are awake
[19:51] <Kilos> oh
[19:51] <inetpro> ai
[19:51] <Kilos> lol
[19:51] <inetpro> she be gone again
[19:51] <Kilos> something hung
[19:51] <Kilos> wow my modem light went rewd
[19:52] <Kilos> am i still here
[19:52] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[19:52] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[19:52] <Kilos> wonder what that means
[19:52] <Kilos> back to green
[19:52] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:52] <inetpro> signal?
[19:52] <Kilos> ?
[19:53] <inetpro> syslog should tell you
[19:53] <Kilos> dont understand this modem
[19:53] <inetpro> maybe
[19:53] <Kilos> its a saudi modem remember
[19:53] <inetpro> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[19:53] <Kilos> cat or tail
[19:53] <Kilos> ah
[19:53] <Kilos> tell the brat about the -f too
[19:53] <inetpro> Kilos: man tail
[19:53] <Kilos> what does -f do
[19:53] <Kilos> nee man
[19:53] <inetpro> ahh, you remember :-)
[19:54]  * inetpro once had an alias for that
[19:55] <bakuman> Kilos, it means follow
[19:55] <inetpro> alias msglog='tail -f /var/log/syslog'
[19:55] <Kilos> Nov 21 16:45:53 P4 AptDaemon.Worker: INFO: Processing transaction /org/debian/apt/transaction/5eada3ccf48a4942b8d49ea4a510a1dc
[19:55] <bakuman> it does not just get the last 10 messages, but also waits for new ones
[19:55] <Kilos> whats that demon doing
[19:55] <inetpro> or better
[19:55] <inetpro> alias tailsyslog='tail -f /var/log/syslog'
[19:56] <Kilos> nothing
[19:57] <Kilos> no matter the modem didnt drop me when it went red
[19:57] <Kilos> youre alias is broken
[19:58] <inetpro> nee
[19:58] <inetpro> Kilos: hoekom sê jy so?
[19:59] <Kilos> do i have to install alias first
[19:59] <inetpro> no
[19:59] <Kilos> got no output
[19:59] <inetpro> if you set it then tailsyslog is like a program on its own
[19:59] <inetpro> now you just type tailsyslog and ENTER
[19:59] <Kilos> oh so only starting now
[20:00] <inetpro> yebo yes
[20:00] <Kilos> wow that clever
[20:00] <inetpro> ctrl+c to break out of it
[20:00] <Kilos> always wondered what aliases were
[20:00] <bakuman> I have seen some weird aliases
[20:00] <bakuman> it's almost as bad as #defines
[20:00] <inetpro> just don't give your alias a name of a command that you already have on the system
[20:01] <Kilos> i wont play with it
[20:01] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... no need to be afraid like that
[20:01] <Kilos> can remember tail and cat /var/log/syslog
[20:01] <Kilos> no will try member the -f
[20:01] <inetpro> cat = concatenate
[20:02] <Kilos> thats an ugly word
[20:02] <inetpro> easy to remember an ugly word
[20:02] <Kilos> lol
[20:03] <Kilos> i wonder if she pulled the cpu now
[20:03] <Kilos> im falling asleep here
[20:03] <bakuman> Kilos, you do not need to remember that, all you need to remember is 'man'
[20:03] <inetpro> or she went to the shop to get a new cpu
[20:03] <Kilos> she aint got bucks
[20:04] <Kilos> months of no work because of pc
[20:05] <inetpro> well she's learned a lot in the process, sadly that may not have helped
[20:05] <inetpro> maybe one day the knowledge will come in handy
[20:06] <Kilos> yeah but the good thing is she has come to ubuntu
[20:07] <Kilos> tried for last 3 years and got shot down
[20:07] <inetpro> maybe she can compose a song for sabdfl
[20:08] <Kilos> i dont think she writes songs
[20:08] <Kilos> whats sabdfl
[20:08] <inetpro> hmm... not yet
[20:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ai
[20:08] <inetpro> sabdfl = Mark Shuttleworth
[20:08] <Kilos> i didnt see that inna book
[20:09] <Kilos> did you read my pm today
[20:09] <Kilos> inetpro, 
[20:09] <Kilos> ^^
[20:10] <inetpro> Maaz: sabdfl
[20:10] <Maaz> Mark Shuttleworth calls himself the "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life", or SABDFL, and the Ubuntu community often uses this name to refer to him
[20:10] <Kilos> lol
[20:10] <inetpro> Kilos: oh yes
[20:10] <inetpro> nice book it seems
[20:10] <Kilos> lekker hey
[20:10] <Kilos> there modem red again
[20:10] <Kilos> great book
[20:11] <Kilos> you can have it next
[20:11] <inetpro> haha
[20:11] <inetpro> you can't give books like that away
[20:11] <Kilos> i can
[20:11] <inetpro> TaraLS: wb
[20:11] <TaraLS> Mom's PC won't run Ubuntu
[20:11] <Kilos> wont fit inna grave
[20:11] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:11] <Kilos> what it says love
[20:11] <TaraLS> Not enough RAM I guess
[20:11] <TaraLS> It doesn't say anything
[20:12] <TaraLS> I set it up to run from the usb
[20:12] <TaraLS> Like my comp
[20:12] <Kilos> does it try
[20:12] <Kilos> oh
[20:12] <TaraLS> And then goes to the black screen with the little cursor that shows that it's about to go into Ubuntu
[20:12] <TaraLS> But it never finishes
[20:12] <Kilos> some pcs have different bios
[20:12] <TaraLS> Oh Kilos
[20:12] <TaraLS> It's not about the BIOS, lol
[20:12] <Kilos> i have to use the usb um
[20:12] <Kilos> zip
[20:12] <TaraLS> The comp just doesn't want to run Ubuntu
[20:12] <TaraLS> It's not powerful enough, I guess.
[20:13] <TaraLS> inetpro:  What do you want to know? I'll google it. "How to find processor.... on XP"
[20:13] <TaraLS> What about the processor?
[20:13] <Kilos> the lga number
[20:13] <Kilos> 478 or 775
[20:14] <Kilos> socket number
[20:15] <Kilos> if its a 775 you can use it in yours to see if freezing stops
[20:15] <Kilos> pc will just be a bit slower
[20:15] <TaraLS> Yes I know
[20:15] <Kilos> sigh
[20:15] <TaraLS> In BIOS
[20:15] <TaraLS> Here, on mom's comp
[20:15] <TaraLS> It says that hyperthreading is enabled
[20:15] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:15] <Kilos> mine was too
[20:16] <TaraLS> It doesn't matter if yours was. :P
[20:16] <Kilos> but the cpu command says only 1 core
[20:16] <TaraLS> We're trying to sort out compatabilities between these two comps
[20:16] <TaraLS> Well.
[20:16] <TaraLS> I'm not sure.
[20:16] <TaraLS> I dunno how to find what the socket is
[20:16] <Kilos> you wont find compatabilities in bios
[20:16] <TaraLS> I know
[20:16] <TaraLS> I'm not talking about looking in BIOS
[20:17] <TaraLS> I was just saying... The BIOS said that hyperthreading was enabled.
[20:17] <Kilos> so what
[20:17] <TaraLS> Nothing I guess.
[20:17] <TaraLS> Wait one. Googling.
[20:18] <inetpro> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[20:19] <inetpro> a very versatile 50MB mini desktop oriented Linux distribution that should boot up just to test the basics
[20:19] <Kilos> does it do 3g inetpro 
[20:19] <inetpro> hmm... 
[20:19] <inetpro> is 3g required?
[20:19] <Kilos> like tinycorelinux needs cable to get the software for 3g
[20:20] <Kilos> no by her its cable but by me man
[20:20] <Kilos> whew ek sukkel
[20:20] <inetpro> ahh
[20:20] <inetpro> Kilos: am not sure
[20:20] <Kilos> i also had probs with ubuntu with 512mB ram
[20:21] <Kilos> but live cd ran
[20:21] <inetpro> probably doesn't have many fancy things
[20:21] <Kilos> once on 640mB ram it installed
[20:21] <Kilos> np
[20:21] <Kilos> 512 too min
[20:22] <Kilos> most likely her moms is ddr not ddr2
[20:22] <inetpro> didn't she have that other iso already?
[20:22] <inetpro> what was that called again?
[20:22] <inetpro> from the fly
[20:23] <TaraLS> Whew.
[20:23] <TaraLS> Blah
[20:23] <inetpro> blah blah blah
[20:24] <Kilos> what other iso inetpro ?
[20:24] <inetpro> ai
[20:24] <inetpro> jy word oud
[20:25] <inetpro> stresslinux
[20:25] <inetpro> doesn't that have a cli?
[20:25] <Kilos> oh ya but thats no good in her moms pc
[20:25] <Kilos> it works
[20:25] <Kilos> we dont wanna stress it
[20:25] <inetpro> why not?
[20:25] <TaraLS> Because it's the only comp I have to work on
[20:26] <inetpro> you just want the cli
[20:26] <Kilos> because it works
[20:26] <TaraLS> ONe that, sure, lags like hell, but at least I can do art on it
[20:26] <Kilos> oh to do the cpu thing
[20:26] <inetpro> exactly
[20:26] <Kilos> who knows
[20:27] <inetpro> but thinking about it even the ubuntu cd should still fall back to the cli if you press CTRL+ALT+F1
[20:27] <inetpro> or CTRL+ALT+F2
[20:28] <inetpro> F1-F6 actually
[20:28] <inetpro> or just to F5
[20:28] <TaraLS> ....
[20:28] <TaraLS> You're completely confusing me now :P
[20:28] <inetpro> ai
[20:29] <Kilos> TaraLS, doesnt you stick even boot there
[20:29] <Kilos> to got the try ubuntu option
[20:29] <Kilos> go
[20:29] <inetpro> TaraLS: if you can boot to the cli you can do cat /proc/cpuinfo
[20:29] <inetpro> then just take a snapshot
[20:29] <TaraLS> Kilos:  I already told you that it doesn't boot.... :|
[20:29] <TaraLS> inetpro:  What is the cli?
[20:29] <inetpro> commandline interface
[20:29] <Kilos> terminal
[20:30] <TaraLS> Um
[20:30] <TaraLS> Wait one
[20:30] <inetpro> actually less is more
[20:30] <inetpro> less /proc/cpuinfo
[20:30] <inetpro> with that you can go up and down
[20:31] <inetpro> and press q to exit less
[20:32] <TaraLS> Maybe I should get this damn small linux
[20:33] <TaraLS> It can run from inside windows
[20:33] <inetpro> hmm...
[20:33]  * inetpro has never tried that
[20:33] <inetpro> sounds real interesting
[20:33] <TaraLS> You're the one who gave me the link
[20:33] <TaraLS> Oh bugger
[20:33] <TaraLS> Have to pay
[20:34] <Kilos> tinycorelinux
[20:34] <Kilos> free
[20:34] <Kilos> and runs from cd
[20:34] <Kilos> no install
[20:34] <Kilos> and can use terminal
[20:34] <inetpro> yikes!
[20:35] <inetpro> TaraLS: nee man
[20:35] <Kilos> 12mB if i member right
[20:35] <inetpro> If you like Damn Small Linux, please consider donating; even small contributions will help fund its continued development.
[20:35] <TaraLS> inetpro:  I would love to donate, and will do so when I'm actually able.
[20:36] <inetpro> paying is optional
[20:36] <Kilos> they dont say you have to
[20:36] <TaraLS> Not if you wanna get DSL on flash drive
[20:36] <Kilos> no cd iso
[20:36] <Kilos> ?
[20:36] <TaraLS> I'd prefer USB
[20:37] <TaraLS> Where do I go to download it?
[20:37] <TaraLS> 3.x Supports Application launching from limited icons. Application centric. Menu driven. Current 3.x version 3.4.12, screenshots: 1 2 Older Screenshots
[20:37] <TaraLS> Do I click the "3.4.12"?
[20:37] <Kilos> ?
[20:37] <inetpro> http://distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10.iso
[20:38] <TaraLS> Oh.
[20:38] <TaraLS> Excellent. ty
[20:38] <TaraLS> Woooow
[20:38] <inetpro> ahh but hang on
[20:38] <TaraLS> 4 hours left to download 49mbs
[20:38] <TaraLS> Stupid internet.
[20:38] <TaraLS> brb.
[20:39] <inetpro> you need the embedded version for booting into windows
[20:39] <inetpro> http://distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10-embedded.zip
[20:40] <inetpro> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/run-damn-small-linux-in-windows/
[20:40] <Kilos> yo Trix[a]r_za 
[20:40] <Kilos> wb
[20:41] <inetpro> TaraLS: hmm... 4 hours to download 50MB ?
[20:41] <inetpro> even Kilos can download faster than that
[20:42] <Kilos> thats a bad connection
[20:43] <inetpro> blaheh: NOTE: you need the embedded version for booting into windows, see http://www.pendrivelinux.com/run-damn-small-linux-in-windows/
[20:44] <Kilos> hi blaheh 
[20:44] <Kilos> haha
[20:44] <TaraLS> http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/damnsmalllinux.org/current/dsl-4.4.10-embedded.zip
[20:44]  * TaraLS fumes.
[20:44] <TaraLS> Every time I click 'download', it says 'not found'
[20:44] <TaraLS> That explains why it's so slow.
[20:45] <inetpro> TaraLS: try http://distro.ibiblio.org/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10-embedded.zip
[20:45] <TaraLS> Should I set it to open with Archive Manager?
[20:45] <TaraLS> (which is the default)
[20:45] <inetpro> Download the dsl-embedded.zip and extract its contents to your Flash Drive.
[20:45] <inetpro> Click dsl-base.bat to launch Damn Small Linux inside Windows
[20:46] <inetpro> could not be simpler than that
[20:46] <TaraLS> I guess I'll just select 'save' then
[20:46] <TaraLS> brb. Must go get flash driver. Says 13 mins remaining of download
[20:46] <TaraLS> 11
[20:47] <inetpro> I'm just not sure how this will play out on the windows box though
[20:47] <inetpro> will be very interesting
[20:47] <TaraLS> Me neither
[20:47] <Kilos> save
[20:47] <TaraLS> lol Kilos
[20:47] <TaraLS> You slow. <3
[20:47] <inetpro> lol
[20:47] <Kilos> i know
[20:48] <TaraLS> okay, brb in about 8 mins
[20:49] <Kilos> tara how do you install xp onto a sata drive
[20:49] <inetpro> unfortunately I can not even test it here
[20:49] <Kilos> it doesnt even see a drive here
[20:49]  * inetpro don't have windows in this house
[20:49] <Kilos> well done inetpro 
[20:50] <Kilos> i gotta install for ian on a few drives
[20:50] <Kilos> for customers
[20:50] <inetpro> Kilos: illegally? 
[20:51] <Kilos> no
[20:51] <TaraLS> What's a sata drive?
[20:51] <Kilos> pcs that have virii that killed mbr
[20:51] <Kilos> same as your 1 TB drive
[20:51] <TaraLS> I don't ever see options like sata drive or whatever when installing Windows
[20:51] <Kilos> the thin red cabvle
[20:51] <Kilos> cable
[20:51] <Kilos> wow xp goes straight in
[20:52] <Kilos> ??
[20:52] <TaraLS> I guess? I just follow the prompts on the install disc
[20:52] <inetpro> huh?
[20:52] <Kilos> i tried 3 here and none see the sata drive at all
[20:52] <Kilos> i dont even get to partition
[20:52] <TaraLS> Well, that comp sounds truly stuffed.
[20:52] <TaraLS> Otherwise, I dunno.
[20:52] <Kilos> it says no drive in your pc
[20:53] <Kilos> its my pc and his drives
[20:53]  * inetpro lost it somewhere
[20:53] <inetpro> who's talking about what?
[20:53] <Kilos> magespawn, said you have to install extra drivers
[20:53] <Kilos> F6 on booting
[20:54]  * inetpro confused
[20:54] <Kilos> but then it wants a manufacturers cd fot the drivers
[20:54] <Kilos> grrr
[20:54] <Kilos> xp inetpro 
[20:54] <inetpro> Kilos: on her moms pc?
[20:54] <Kilos> no man here
[20:54] <inetpro> ai
[20:54] <Kilos> i asked how to install to sata
[20:55] <Kilos> her moms has xp on
[20:55] <inetpro> Kilos: why you ask tara that?
[20:55] <Kilos> well she done it ten times
[20:55] <inetpro> ai
[20:56] <inetpro> ai, ai, ai
[20:56] <inetpro> all this time just to find some cpu info?
[20:56] <Kilos> but im helping ian do stuff he hasnt got time to do so will sukkel with ms a bit
[20:56] <Kilos> lol
[20:57] <TaraLS> Ten times? Lol bit of an exaggeration
[20:57] <TaraLS> More like... five-ish.
[20:58] <TaraLS> 40 secoooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnds
[20:58] <Kilos> oh well even after fivish you should know how
[20:58] <inetpro> sounds almost as bad as me spending the day installing all kinds of dependancies on me freebsd box after upgrading to 9.0 just because I had the freebsd-doc installed
[20:58] <Kilos> ai
[20:59] <inetpro> something that is not even needed
[20:59] <Kilos> i dont understand ms
[20:59] <TaraLS> Okay
[20:59] <TaraLS> Extracted to my usb
[20:59] <Kilos> millenium and win7 install fine but xp says no drive in your pc
[20:59] <Kilos> grrrr
[20:59] <TaraLS> btb
[20:59] <inetpro> Kilos: xp should go to file 13
[21:00] <inetpro> not worth calling that an OS these days
[21:00] <Kilos> its better than 7 inetpro 
[21:00] <inetpro> Kilos: it is so damn old!
[21:00] <inetpro> rather install ubuntu
[21:01] <inetpro> or dsl
[21:01] <Kilos> 7 wont even let the gigabyte mb cd install with out you first go turn off security stuff
[21:01] <Kilos> its for his clients man i used ubuntu to fix them
[21:02] <inetpro> Kilos: set the theme to XP and tell them it's all fixed
[21:02] <Kilos> they want xp back again
[21:02] <Kilos> lol
[21:02] <inetpro> they won't notice
[21:02] <inetpro> :-)
[21:02] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[21:03] <inetpro> TaraLS2: wb
[21:03] <Kilos> hmm
[21:03] <TaraLS2> Whew
[21:03] <TaraLS2> ALright um
[21:03] <TaraLS2> Well it worked, but it doesn't look like normal ubuntu of course
[21:03] <inetpro> obviously
[21:03] <inetpro> it is not ubuntu
[21:03] <inetpro> and it is damn small
[21:04] <TaraLS2> Right. lol
[21:04] <TaraLS2> Anyway
[21:04] <TaraLS2> Um
[21:04]  * inetpro lol
[21:05] <inetpro> somewhere you should be able to find a cli
[21:05] <Kilos> lol
[21:05] <inetpro> terminal / konsole
[21:06] <Kilos> what gui inetpro 
[21:06] <inetpro> Kilos: Fluxbox based on the famous BlackBox
[21:06] <superfly> I think it uses openbox or one of those
[21:07] <inetpro> but with some really nice enhancements
[21:07] <Kilos> ah the monkey uses openbox
[21:07] <inetpro> wb superfly
[21:07] <TaraLS2> Whew this be confusing
[21:07] <inetpro> where you been?
[21:07] <superfly> hi inetpro
[21:07] <superfly> Bible study
[21:07] <inetpro> ahh
[21:09] <TaraLS2> Hm
[21:09] <inetpro> TaraLS2: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/wiki/frequently_asked_questions.html
[21:10] <inetpro> inside windows it runs in the Qemu Virtual Machine
[21:11] <Kilos> i go sleep now. night all sleep tight
[21:11] <TaraLS2> Whew stupid slow net.
[21:11] <TaraLS2> Kilos:  Night night
[21:12] <Kilos> toods
[21:12] <inetpro> ai... weg is hy
[21:13] <inetpro> TaraLS2: what's wrong?
[21:13] <inetpro> you can't find the terminal?
[21:13] <TaraLS2> Yeah
[21:13] <TaraLS2> I can't find the terminal
[21:14] <Banlam> o.O
[21:14] <inetpro> ai
[21:15] <inetpro> TaraLS2: click on "ATerminal" on the DSL desktop
[21:16] <TaraLS2> There's no 'Aterminal"
[21:17] <inetpro> hmm
[21:17] <TaraLS2> But
[21:17] <TaraLS2> dxfGUI?
[21:17] <TaraLS2> I clicked that and can select all sorts like the home folder
[21:17] <TaraLS2> Is 'console' the same as terminal?
[21:17] <inetpro> sounds right yep
[21:17] <TaraLS2> Okay 
[21:17] <TaraLS2> So I selected console
[21:18] <TaraLS2> And it keeps me in the window in which you can select those folders
[21:18] <TaraLS2> And is asking for "filename/extension"?
[21:18] <inetpro> hmm
[21:18] <TaraLS2> Would that be like... command line?
[21:18] <TaraLS2> Such as cat /var/etc?
[21:19] <superfly> tumbleweed: when you have a bit more time, I have some questions surrounding using the Debian package of OpenLP for a PPA on Launchpad
[21:21] <inetpro> TaraLS2: what happens if you right-click on the desktop
[21:21] <TaraLS2> It opens up menus
[21:21] <inetpro> go to applications
[21:21] <inetpro> terminal emulators
[21:21] <TaraLS2> Apps, myDSL, games, Tools, etc
[21:22] <inetpro> xterminal or such?
[21:23] <TaraLS2> brb
[21:27] <TaraLS2> back
[21:27] <TaraLS2> I can't find anything that says terminal
[21:27] <TaraLS2> Hm.
[21:27] <TaraLS2> Just give me the command you want to find out info of the cpu?
[21:27] <TaraLS2> I'll put it into this gfxGUI thing
[21:28] <inetpro> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:28] <inetpro> I'm just not sure whether you'll get valid info from  that
[21:28] <inetpro> as it's running in a VM
[21:28] <inetpro> inside windows, nogal
[21:29] <TaraLS2> Hm
[21:29] <TaraLS2> That didn't work anyway
[21:29] <TaraLS2> Since my interwebs is almost dead, can you please see if that FAQ tells you how to find the terminal in this linux?
[21:30] <TaraLS2> Well, there's 'run command' and then it says 'launch application' and I have to type something in
[21:30]  * inetpro is searching 
[21:30] <inetpro> type xterm
[21:31] <TaraLS2> Okay, one sec.
[21:31] <TaraLS2> OH MY WORD
[21:31] <TaraLS2> That worked.
[21:31] <inetpro> lol
[21:31] <superfly> inetpro: why is TaraLS2 using DSL?
[21:32] <inetpro> xterm is as old as the mountains
[21:32] <inetpro> superfly: heh
[21:32] <inetpro> she could not boot into ubuntu on her moms pc
[21:32] <superfly> inetpro: too little ram?
[21:32] <inetpro> struggling to get detail cpu info from windows
[21:33] <inetpro> maybe
[21:33] <inetpro> I just thought it would be real quick to boot into DSL
[21:33] <inetpro> of course it took way longer than expected
[21:34] <TaraLS2> orofl
[21:34] <TaraLS2> lol... rofl*
[21:34] <TaraLS2> That still isn't saying what the socket is
[21:34] <inetpro> superfly: anyway, she got the embedded version of DSL running inside windows on her moms xp
[21:35] <superfly> inetpro: steering far left of the Ubuntu family, especially for someone new to Linux, is not really something I would recommend...
[21:35] <inetpro> TaraLS2: post what you got for us on slexy
[21:35] <TaraLS2> I'm still working out how to successfully copy from DSL
[21:35] <inetpro> superfly: ha, she is way past new now
[21:38] <TaraLS2> Hiyo supahflaaahhhhh
[21:38] <TaraLS2> Trying to save the cpu info to text file to my USB from DSL
[21:39] <inetpro> TaraLS2: can you browse the web inside DSL?
[21:39] <inetpro> should have Firefox on there
[21:41] <inetpro> superfly: oh and I remember even you asking her to run stresslinux a few days ago already
[21:42] <superfly> inetpro: no, I just jumped on the bandwagon :-P
[21:42] <inetpro> oi 
[21:43] <TaraLS2> Yeh it does
[21:43] <TaraLS2> Just omg, this interwebs is so slow.
[21:44] <inetpro> TaraLS2: you can just go to http://slexy.org/ and post it there
[21:44] <inetpro> then just type the url
[21:44] <inetpro> the last part after slexy.org/
[21:45] <TaraLS2> Yeah but it doesn't even load lol
[21:45] <inetpro> superfly: anyway, I'm sure tara is enjoying the exposure
[21:45] <inetpro> ai
[21:45] <TaraLS2> I need to restart this comp. One sec.
[21:45] <TaraLS2> Sorry. I know it's super late there.
[21:46]  * inetpro can go another 5 minutes or so
[21:47] <inetpro> superfly: I don't think it will help us but she's trying to get details of her moms cpu, to see whether it may fit on her pc
[21:47] <inetpro> but I don't thnk it will work
[21:48] <inetpro> I have a suspicion that her cpu is no longer healthy
[21:49] <inetpro> but obviously I could be totally wrong, again
[21:50] <superfly> inetpro: with your track record so far.... :-P
[21:51] <inetpro> eh, I'm just trying to help
[21:51] <inetpro> problem is not solved yet
[21:52] <inetpro> even with help from so many others
[21:54] <inetpro> TaraLS_: wb
[21:54] <TaraLS_> Whewwwthis comp is laggy
[21:54] <TaraLS_> But at least the web works now
[21:54] <TaraLS_> What was that command again? Sorry. D:
[21:54] <inetpro> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[21:55] <inetpro> TaraLS2: post to http://slexy.org/ 
[21:56] <TaraLS_> http://slexy.org/view/s29pSPLGRD
[21:57] <inetpro> hmm... interesting
[21:57] <inetpro> not sure whether that is right though
[21:57] <TaraLS_> oi
[21:58] <inetpro> now where are the cpu experts?
[21:58] <inetpro> all gone sleepy?
[21:58] <TaraLS_> lol
[22:00] <inetpro> fp
[22:01] <inetpro> TaraLS_: it would be interesting to see whether you get the same info if you boot into DSL rather than from inside windows
[22:01] <inetpro> anyway, you've come a long way
[22:01] <inetpro> not sure whether all that even helps
[22:02] <TaraLS_> Oi.
[22:02] <TaraLS_> It hurts my brain.
[22:03] <inetpro> unfortunately I don't have many more options
[22:03] <TaraLS_> Yeah.
[22:03] <TaraLS_> Bugger.
[22:03] <TaraLS_> Well, thanks very much for your help anyway.
[22:03] <inetpro> a visit to the pc doc might be the best
[22:03] <TaraLS_> :(
[22:04] <inetpro> it's a pleasure, really
[22:04] <inetpro> at least you now have many ways to troubleshoot
[22:05] <inetpro> good night, and good luck
[22:05] <TaraLS_> Yes. :) Night now.
[22:11] <TaraLS_> Whew I'm gonna head off for now. Toodles all.
[22:11] <TaraLS_> superfly: *wave*