[11:28] <ppisati> brb
[13:31]  * apw notes he is currently away from his mic
[13:32]  * smb would not have noticed
[13:57] <apw> sconklin, infinity, i have just added mutual exclusion to the last two crontab entries as examplers
[14:24]  * ppisati -> gos out for a bit
[14:24] <ppisati> *goes
[14:24]  * apw wanders home
[15:51] <AbsintheSyringe> when will kernel3.6 get into quantal?
[16:01] <apw> AbsintheSyringe, quantal will not get any version bumps
[16:02] <AbsintheSyringe> apw, it will remain on 3.5?
[16:02] <apw> yes
[16:02] <AbsintheSyringe> :-/
[16:02] <apw> this has always been how things are in stable releases
[16:02] <apw> for any and all packages
[16:03] <AbsintheSyringe> I thought it would move to 3.6 for some reason
[16:03] <AbsintheSyringe> the reason I'm asking is because I'm coming from Debian Sid and I used 3.6.2 afaik and it all worked fine
[16:03] <AbsintheSyringe> however on quantal (3.5) my machine tends to get bit hot
[16:03] <AbsintheSyringe> ThinkPad X1 Carbon
[16:03] <apw> debian sid is the deveopment release
[16:03] <AbsintheSyringe> I'm aware of that
[16:03] <apw> raring is ours, and has 3.7 kernels in it
[16:04] <AbsintheSyringe> I think I might do apt pinning and install 3.7 from raring
[16:04] <xnox> apw: but the raring kernel will at some point in the future be available on precise?
[16:05] <apw> xnox, in precise it will be made available, sometime after raring releases
[16:05] <xnox> interesting.
[16:05] <xnox> thanks.
[16:05] <apw> opt-in only of course
[16:07] <apw> AbsintheSyringe, if you work out the incantations to get that working i would be interested
[16:07] <AbsintheSyringe> apw, after 5+ years on Debian Sid I was trying to get some bit more stable with Ubuntu
[16:08] <AbsintheSyringe> apw, it's kinda awkward coming from Debian Sid to Ubuntu "Sid" :)
[16:08] <AbsintheSyringe> but am thinking about it 
[16:08] <xnox> ... and first thing you do is mix two releases.
[16:09] <xnox> AbsintheSyringe: to be honest maybe you should run raring. As all uploads go into raring-proposed & britney migrates them to raring, but without waiting for 10 days delay nor checking for RC bugs.
[16:09] <apw> AbsintheSyringe, your other option is to try and work out what the fix was in 3.6 for your issue; and we can sru that into Q
[16:09] <xnox> AbsintheSyringe: that way it's more stable than sid, yet still with high-velocity crack.
[16:10] <AbsintheSyringe> xnox, am seriously considering option
[16:10] <AbsintheSyringe> apw, how much do you prefer the apt pinning option?
[16:11] <apw> prefer it over what?
[16:11] <AbsintheSyringe> because back on debian I had, apt pinning with testing and experimental
[16:11] <AbsintheSyringe> over doing a "bare" upgrade on raring
[16:11] <AbsintheSyringe> this way I could still use quantal but use the raring kernel
[16:11] <apw> i don't apt pin anything currently, i have some systems on Q and some on R
[16:12] <apw> R has been supprisingly ok so far on those, but they are far from production platforms
[16:12]  * xnox runs raring since opening.
[16:12] <apw> xnox, but X hasn't updated yet, so who knows how smooth that will be
[16:12] <AbsintheSyringe> xnox, is that your "production" machine? 
[16:12] <AbsintheSyringe> apw, right
[16:12] <ogra-cb> qunatal was really smooth
[16:13] <xnox> well I have raring with quantal-updates & quantal-security enabled. I am still seeing stuff uploaded into quantal pockets without matching raring upload.
[16:13]  * ogra-cb wouldnt expect worse from raring
[16:13] <xnox> AbsintheSyringe: my definition of "production" is skewed, as it's part of my job to fix ubuntu if ubuntu+1 is broken.
[16:13] <AbsintheSyringe> according to status raring is 14% complete http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/
[16:13] <apw> ogra-cb, i don't remember it being quite that smooth, i remember a couple of my boxed being a heap for some days
[16:14] <ogra-cb> appulli, yeah, because you use that intel crap :P
[16:14] <ogra-cb> err
[16:14] <ogra-cb> apw, 
[16:14] <xnox> AbsintheSyringe: that's feature work only. On day one we synced hundrets of package updates from debian.
[16:14] <apw> xnox, those get 'sorted' by archive-admin intervention over time though i believe
[16:14] <xnox> =)
[16:15] <apw> ogra-cb, heh indeed i do, the stuff they claimed to have tested too :)
[16:15] <AbsintheSyringe> I think I'll give raring a go, it can't be worse then Sid that's for sure :)
[16:15] <ogra-cb> haha
[16:15] <apw> AbsintheSyringe, it has been better than average so far at least here
[16:16] <ogra-cb> definitely flawless on my chromebook here 
[16:16] <AbsintheSyringe> wow
[16:16] <xnox> AbsintheSyringe: do not enable raring-proposed, as by definitions packages there are yet to built & be installable.
[16:17] <apw> yeah very important, no -proposed as you are in a world of pain there
[16:17] <apw> xnox, that said that is also where a huge pile of the updates from debian are lurking
[16:17] <ogra-cb> proposed should never be used ever 
[16:17] <AbsintheSyringe> xnox, tnx
[16:17] <ogra-cb> only for cherry picking packages for tests 
[16:18] <AbsintheSyringe> apw, situation on Sid right now is pain, a lot of pain
[16:18] <xnox> apw: that is simply intensives to fix stuff pointed out by britney.
[16:18] <ogra-cb> (thats not raring specific)
[16:18] <xnox> "do you want this shiny package? well fix this armhf build failure first and then you can have it!"
[16:18] <ogra-cb> hehe
[16:19] <apw> if only it worked like that :)
[16:19] <xnox> in practice, you have doko syncing straight into raring-release bypassing this kindergarden =)
[16:20] <ogra-cb> haha
[16:20] <apw> heh, i didn't know one could do that
[16:20] <ogra-cb> qwll, you shouldnt :)
[16:20] <ogra-cb> Well even
[16:20] <xnox> apw: only if you happen to have archive-admin rights  & use outofdate ubuntu-dev-tools / copypackage.
[16:22] <AbsintheSyringe>  xnox apw will do the job? sudo sed -i 's/quantal/raring/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo update-manager -d -c
[16:24] <apw> either update-manager -d, or sed... update ... dist-upgrade
[16:24] <AbsintheSyringe> oh-kie
[16:24] <smb> apw  -> do-release-upgrade -d 
[16:24] <smb> (i suppose by now it was fixed)
[16:27] <xnox> AbsintheSyringe: update-manager -d (graphical) or do-release-upgrade -d (text only) same functionality otherwise.
[16:32] <AbsintheSyringe> xnox, k, tnx
[18:22] <infinity> hggdh: Any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-armadaxp/+bug/1068733 ?
[18:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1068733 in linux-armadaxp (Ubuntu Precise) "linux-armadaxp: 3.2.0-1610.15 -proposed tracker" [Undecided,In progress]
[18:22] <infinity> hggdh: Will it be done today? :)
[19:06] <infinity> hggdh: Pretty please? :)
[19:23] <hggdh> infinity: it's turkey day in the US. I got some scripts from rbasak yesterday, and will work on them tomorrow
[19:23] <hggdh> (I was only at the laptop cuz my bloody internet connection went south again)
[19:25] <infinity> hggdh: Ah, I didn't check the directory to see if you're American. :P
[19:25] <hggdh> infinity: I am now :-)
[19:25] <infinity> Heh.
[19:26] <infinity> Enjoy your turkeying, then.