| ali1234 | so no messaging, bluetooth, datetime, etc | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | printers | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | battery | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | oh and session | 00:00 |
| shauno | nm-applet keeps giving me an icon that I'd usually associate with 'connecting to wireless', but there is no wireless hardware | 00:00 |
| ali1234 | xfce has applets that replace some of these, but they're not very good or don't work at all | 00:00 |
| AlanBell | shauno: yeah, it does that for wires too, whilst getting IP addres from DHCP | 00:01 |
| ali1234 | also it tells me i have to restart every single time i install or remove any package at all | 00:01 |
| AlanBell | night all o/ | 00:02 |
| shauno | ah. so there's no fallback to a locally-assigned (169.254..) address if it believes there's a cable connected but no dhcp reply? | 00:03 |
| ali1234 | there should be | 00:03 |
| Darael | Depends if avahi-autoip is running, doesn't it? | 00:03 |
| Darael | Something like that, anyway. | 00:04 |
| ali1234 | yeah, probably | 00:04 |
| shauno | I'm not really fussed if it gets an address or not. sometimes there's a network there, sometimes there isn't. I just wish it'd die quietly | 00:05 |
| shauno | like how dhclient waits for longer and longer between each poll. that'd be more sane. | 00:07 |
| Darael | It is worth checking if avahi-autoipd is running. Well, looking up whether that's actually the right thing, and then checking whether it's running. I'm used to it taking a locally-assigned address within a couple of minutes if there's no DHCP response. | 00:14 |
| shauno | closest match is two instances of avahi-daemon | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | that should do it | 00:22 |
| ali1234 | i suspect virtualbox is doing something silly like repeatedly connecting and disconnecting the virtual cable | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | also there's that bug with vbox-nat | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | where it gives a bad DNS on DHCP | 00:23 |
| ali1234 | then it looks like the network is connected, but it doesn't work | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | i think NM does some ping tests to check if you have a real connection | 00:24 |
| ali1234 | so those might be failing | 00:24 |
| shauno | this is vmware with the second nic attached to a non-host network (eg, doesn't connect to my laptop, just other vmware guests on the same net) | 00:25 |
| shauno | but I'm not sure how that manifests when it's the only guest running, which is when I get this spam | 00:27 |
| ali1234 | a bunch of these humble bundle android games are asking for developer level access rights | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | seems legit :/ | 00:32 |
| ali1234 | waking mars: development tools - test access to protected storage | 00:35 |
| directhex | lollerskates | 00:46 |
| shauno | completely unrelated question, does anyone know if uk immigration law has any provision for self-employed migrants? | 00:58 |
| shauno | it's an odd one. a freelance writer who's financially self-sufficient irrespective of geography. so there's no "they took our jobs" angle, their employment remains in the US | 01:02 |
| directhex | shauno, i think tory clamp-downs on immigration mean you won't be allowed in. i know webcomic folks have been denied access, even for just conference appearances | 01:55 |
| shauno | yeah, looking through the categories I suspected this | 01:58 |
| shauno | it's not me, luckily. but it does seem difficult that they've responded to certain immigration issues by clamping down on the only groups they can control, which tend to be net-gain groups | 01:59 |
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| diplo | Morning all | 08:15 |
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| Laney | eufloria from the latest humble android bundle is pretty fun | 09:05 |
| directhex | steam sale alert: Waveform, Serious Sam 3, Dungeons of Dredmor, Cogs, And Yet It Moves, World of Goo, Uplink, and Darwinia, are all 75% off (unlikely to go any lower IME) | 09:09 |
| diplo | ooh SS3, now is that worth a buy directhex ? | 09:10 |
| directhex | these are all games listed on the steam linux store page (which is only visible to beta subscribers, although non-beta people can access all those games anyway) | 09:10 |
| directhex | diplo, well, it's probably the best looking linux game in existence right now. me, i prefer more story-based games, and sam is entirely explosion based, but it#s certainly a competent title | 09:11 |
| diplo | I used to love playing Serious Sam at i Series lans at 3-4am | 09:11 |
| diplo | Bought older ones off steam a little while ago in a sale | 09:12 |
| diplo | Hmm, in steam on my laptop it's giving me the option to install SS3 ( I haven't bought it? ) | 09:12 |
| directhex | the non-uds steam beta came with free serious sam 3 | 09:12 |
| diplo | ooh result! | 09:13 |
| diplo | I don't think my work laptop could handle it though, will wait till I get home | 09:14 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all! :-D | 09:25 |
| popey | directhex, waveform any good? | 09:27 |
| directhex | popey, mmm, it's a simplistic indie game. interesting idea, slightly buggy execution. but it's only, like, a quid | 09:29 |
| popey | yeah | 09:29 |
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| diplo | directhex: Operation Flashpoint Franchise ( Red River / Dragon Rising ) any good do you know ? | 09:39 |
| daubers | Morning | 09:46 |
| gord | diplo, not really, look for ARMA 2 | 09:46 |
| directhex | diplo, not my style at all | 09:46 |
| gord | if you want something good from the steam sales, the walking dead is fantastic, just finished it on my ps3 last night | 09:47 |
| diplo | kk ta, looking now | 09:48 |
| mungojerry | made this sign to go in the toilets at work..i work with vermin..http://ubuntuone.com/78m6AUR43a2uWjSTJHGEfb | 09:49 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone | 09:59 |
| diplo | Guys, help if possible or pointers, not ubuntu but you guys are more helpful :) | 10:08 |
| diplo | Failed to start message bus: Could not get UID and GID for username "dbus" | 10:08 |
| diplo | Would it be safe to add a user, or safe to reinstall dbus to so that it actually re0creates it | 10:09 |
| directhex | missing dbus user sounds rather catastrophic | 10:10 |
| diplo | http://www.spinics.net/lists/redhat/msg100115.html | 10:10 |
| diplo | That's pretty much is it seems what happened, the guy skipped network setup and did it after | 10:11 |
| diplo | But no follow up to that email, and haven't found a fix yet | 10:11 |
| diplo | Everything else seems to work ok apart from one of my scripts that's dependant on dbus | 10:11 |
| diplo | Live server and don't really want to break anything | 10:11 |
| diplo | So googling around but haven't found a good answer yet | 10:12 |
| DJones | Have any of the rasberry pi seen this? http://pibakeoff.leedshack.com/ MIght be something you're interested in | 12:57 |
| * DJones inserts "owners" after the pi | 12:57 | |
| popey | interesting DJones | 13:07 |
| czajkowski | hmm | 15:24 |
| czajkowski | popey: how does one unmax my terminal window | 15:24 |
| czajkowski | cant find the top to see the box any more | 15:24 |
| brobostigon | f11 | 15:24 |
| czajkowski | perfect! | 15:24 |
| czajkowski | thanks | 15:24 |
| brobostigon | :) | 15:25 |
| czajkowski | no idea what combination I did to do that | 15:25 |
| popey | F11 | 15:25 |
| popey | :) | 15:25 |
| czajkowski | oh | 15:25 |
| czajkowski | so it is | 15:25 |
| czajkowski | hmmm | 15:25 |
| brobostigon | any good reliable telephone/broadband comparison sites. ? | 15:25 |
| czajkowski | clearly moshed the keys in rage | 15:25 |
| popey | brobostigon, http://www.uswitch.com/broadband/ ? | 15:28 |
| popey | thinkbroadband ? | 15:29 |
| brobostigon | that second one is new to me, thank you popey | 15:30 |
| popey | AlanBell, https://twitter.com/wsgeeks know somewhere they might be able to use? | 15:58 |
| diplo | AlanBell, libertus.co.uk has an error not loading site at all, not sure why I clicked a link to go there but a FYI :) | 16:09 |
| AlanBell | so it does. I expect theopensourcerer broke it | 16:54 |
| AlanBell | popey: who is behind that? | 16:59 |
| popey | AlanBell, https://twitter.com/JamesFirth i think | 17:00 |
| AlanBell | makes sense :) | 17:02 |
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| tobyisaac | Hi everybody . Toby here | 19:30 |
| AlanBell | hi tobyisaac | 19:42 |
| tobyisaac | how're you doing ALan | 19:42 |
| AlanBell | fine, on a train | 19:43 |
| tobyisaac | hahah on a train? wow that's cool. So what device you have with you in the train? | 19:43 |
| AlanBell | laptop tethered to android phone | 19:43 |
| AlanBell | and here is my stop o/ | 19:44 |
| tobyisaac | ohh! what country? | 19:46 |
| tobyisaac | Alan are you still there? | 19:58 |
| AlanBell | tobyisaac: UK. this is the UK channel | 20:08 |
| tobyisaac | Ohh nice. | 20:10 |
| tobyisaac | i didn't know.. Lol | 20:10 |
| shauno | I was curious about that. I assume some irc clients pick channels based on the locale? | 20:12 |
| shauno | I was curious if -uk is chosen by language or location. because many will pick british english over USian pseudoenglish simply because that's what they're taught | 20:13 |
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| AlanBell | yeah, some are set to join #ubuntu-GB which redirects here | 20:13 |
| AlanBell | GB being the ISO country code in the locale | 20:14 |
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| shauno | I was just trying to figure out why we tend to get the odd indian overnight. and then I realised that I have several friends who will specifically opt for british english because this is what they're taught | 20:15 |
| AlanBell | possibly | 20:15 |
| AlanBell | we get lost ukranians too | 20:15 |
| shauno | that makes sense, we stole their tld | 20:16 |
| AlanBell | they are UA | 20:17 |
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| shauno | per ISO 3166-1, they're uk and we're gb | 20:19 |
| shauno | but janet bagged .uk before the ukraine hit the internet in any noticable manner | 20:19 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:UA | 20:19 |
| AlanBell | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1:UA | 20:20 |
| tobyisaac | lol that's great | 20:20 |
| tobyisaac | how old are you and how long have you been working with UBUNTU? | 20:20 |
| tobyisaac | @shauno, yeah right GB!!!! | 20:21 |
| tobyisaac | @alan i'm not surprised it's uk chat though, cause everything i browse and everywhere i go, seems to go through UK IP... Kinda love it though. | 20:21 |
| tobyisaac | i'm going for a $reboot guys.. i'll catch ya sooner | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | here's another hard question: http://askubuntu.com/q/220696/12435 | 20:22 |
| tobyisaac | i'm back guys.. | 20:28 |
| dwatkins | I sometimes IRC from a laptop tethered to my phone on the train, but it can be rather slow on the east coast. | 20:35 |
| popey | evening all | 20:35 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: that seems to be part of the larger question on why things in Linux desktop environments aren't consistent with each other | 20:36 |
| dwatkins | ello popey | 20:36 |
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| ali1234 | dwatkins: not really, i'm looking for a technical explanation, not a "well we need to make developer documentation and UI design guides and get everyone to use gtk3" | 20:37 |
| tobyisaac | hello everybody. lol | 20:37 |
| tobyisaac | how do you tethered to your phone guys? | 20:37 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: ah ok cool | 20:38 |
| dwatkins | tobyisaac: I just use the hotspot tool on Android | 20:38 |
| ali1234 | XFCE is moving to gtk3 but it takes time. meanwhile most indicators don't, except for some that have a separate gtk2 port, and some which magically "just work" for reasons that are unclear to me | 20:38 |
| tobyisaac | i have no android.. sucks for me huh? | 20:38 |
| dwatkins | tobyisaac: what phone do you have? | 20:38 |
| tobyisaac | i got blackberry. hahaha | 20:38 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, no idea what that's capable of, tobyisaac - I've used aNokia 6110 as a modem and dialled-up before, but that was a while ago... | 20:39 |
| tobyisaac | well this blackberry shit's got an hotspot too but only serve as a router. | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | actually i know why they magically work, what i don't understand is why there's two APIs for making indicators and why anyone would would choose to use the one that sucks | 20:40 |
| dwatkins | historical inertia? | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't look that way | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | the ones that work are all unnofficial ones | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | the ones that don't are all the official canonical ones | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | also i don't understand the difference between the two APIs but i suspect one is dbus and the other uses direct linking and dbus | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | *direct linking and gobject | 20:43 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: I expect the canonical ones work perfectly in the scenarios they are tested for | 20:52 |
| AlanBell | which is why the third party ones exist and work in other scenarios | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | so why create another API? | 20:53 |
| AlanBell | oh, the whole indicator API, dunno | 20:53 |
| AlanBell | probably one of the many things where Canonical decided to do something so gnome decided to invent it differently | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | nope, this has nothing at all to do with gnome | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | there are two indicator apis that achieve exactly the same result | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | if you use one of the APIs, you have to write two versions of the indicator, one for gtk2 and one for gtk3 | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | if you use the other API, you don't | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | this isn't about eg how empathy talks to messaging indicator either | 20:55 |
| AlanBell | is this libindicate vs libappindicator? | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | it's about how the messaging indicator gets itself onto whatever panel you are using | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | i'm not sure but i think libappindicator is one of the things involved | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | i've basically told you everything i know now :) | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | the ones that "work" seem to go though indicator-appication (which has gtk2/3 versions) while the others seem to hit the lower level api direct | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | hmm, looks like you have to give it a Gtk.Menu() and presumably giving a gtk3 menu to a gtk2 desktop is a bad idea | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | hmm. where as with appindicator you just send a description of the menu, and indicator-application builds it for you? | 21:01 |
| AlanBell | that would be my guess | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | meh, get with the program and use gtk3 :) | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | like i said, xfce is moving to gtk3, but it takes time | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | it won't be done in 4.12 | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | it will be started though | 21:02 |
| daubers | hmmm | 21:30 |
| daubers | fail 1 | 21:30 |
| daubers | How do I run the isntaller up in low graphics mode? This is an EFI instllare, so I just have grub asking for kernel options | 21:36 |
| ali1234 | you could use mini.iso | 21:37 |
| daubers | Yes. Wondering if I should do that now | 21:38 |
| daubers | Thought there was a vga boot line | 21:38 |
| daubers | mini.iso doesn't do efi boot :( | 21:44 |
| * daubers attempts with nomodeset | 21:58 | |
| daubers | Oooh progress | 22:00 |
| * MartijnV1S looks at the "track & trace" website | 22:01 | |
| MartijnV1S | \o/ Fibre NTU + router will be here tomorrow | 22:02 |
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| MartijnVdS | *happy dance* | 22:02 |
| * daubers waits for the spinny pizza to spin... | 22:03 | |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: 100/100mbit at home! *dance* | 22:03 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: I'll be happy if I can get Ubiquity to not just spinny pizza at me... | 22:04 |
| * popey points daubers at xnox | 22:06 | |
| daubers | popey: This is largley why macs are stupid | 22:08 |
| daubers | at least it doesn't just freeze with nomodeset on | 22:08 |
| daubers | should have done this from a usb stick rather than a dvd I suppose | 22:11 |
| daubers | what does "http" do? It's using 12% of the CPU | 22:13 |
| daubers | ah ha! | 22:15 |
| * daubers lets it install | 22:16 | |
| popey | thats apt doing updates surely? | 22:16 |
| daubers | Must have been | 22:16 |
| daubers | dkms started running at one point too | 22:17 |
| daubers | but ubiquity was just sat there at the first "You have space, you have interwebs" screen with the buttons greyed out | 22:17 |
| popey | does it have an nvidia card? | 22:17 |
| daubers | yes | 22:17 |
| daubers | (hence the nomodeset) | 22:17 |
| popey | did you tick the "give me non-free badness" box? | 22:17 |
| daubers | yes | 22:17 |
| popey | ok, so dkms makes sense | 22:17 |
| * daubers is bad | 22:17 | |
| popey | meh | 22:18 |
| popey | dude, you've got a mac | 22:18 |
| daubers | Would be nice to tell people it's actually doing something.... | 22:18 |
| popey | you're bad by default :) | 22:18 |
| daubers | Well.... yes... | 22:18 |
| daubers | But the good news is that my 3d printed brackets hoold the Mac to the bottom of the desk nice and safely :) | 22:19 |
| popey | aaaand | 22:22 |
| popey | bed | 22:22 |
| popey | nn | 22:22 |
| Daviey | slacker. | 22:22 |
| Azelphur | my mouse cursor is annoyingly stuck on the spinny loading icon, any way to force it to stop doing that? | 22:26 |
| Azelphur | probably will have to reboot to fix it :( | 22:28 |
| daubers | Azelphur: log out/in? | 22:28 |
| Azelphur | that's just as bad as a reboot :P | 22:29 |
| daubers | :p | 22:29 |
| daubers | Bah | 22:32 |
| daubers | it's not taken then nomodeset line across | 22:32 |
| daubers | how do I change that with an efi boot? | 22:33 |
| daubers | plan b | 22:35 |
| daubers | back to the livecd | 22:35 |
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| daubers | Right! Almost out of nvidia hel | 22:56 |
| daubers | l | 22:56 |
| daubers | Woot! | 23:00 |
| * daubers lets everything update | 23:00 | |
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