[00:00] so no messaging, bluetooth, datetime, etc [00:00] printers [00:00] battery [00:00] oh and session [00:00] nm-applet keeps giving me an icon that I'd usually associate with 'connecting to wireless', but there is no wireless hardware [00:00] xfce has applets that replace some of these, but they're not very good or don't work at all [00:01] shauno: yeah, it does that for wires too, whilst getting IP addres from DHCP [00:01] also it tells me i have to restart every single time i install or remove any package at all [00:02] night all o/ [00:03] ah. so there's no fallback to a locally-assigned (169.254..) address if it believes there's a cable connected but no dhcp reply? [00:03] there should be [00:03] Depends if avahi-autoip is running, doesn't it? [00:04] Something like that, anyway. [00:04] yeah, probably [00:05] I'm not really fussed if it gets an address or not. sometimes there's a network there, sometimes there isn't. I just wish it'd die quietly [00:07] like how dhclient waits for longer and longer between each poll. that'd be more sane. [00:14] It is worth checking if avahi-autoipd is running. Well, looking up whether that's actually the right thing, and then checking whether it's running. I'm used to it taking a locally-assigned address within a couple of minutes if there's no DHCP response. [00:22] closest match is two instances of avahi-daemon [00:22] that should do it [00:23] i suspect virtualbox is doing something silly like repeatedly connecting and disconnecting the virtual cable [00:23] also there's that bug with vbox-nat [00:23] where it gives a bad DNS on DHCP [00:24] then it looks like the network is connected, but it doesn't work [00:24] i think NM does some ping tests to check if you have a real connection [00:24] so those might be failing [00:25] this is vmware with the second nic attached to a non-host network (eg, doesn't connect to my laptop, just other vmware guests on the same net) [00:27] but I'm not sure how that manifests when it's the only guest running, which is when I get this spam [00:32] a bunch of these humble bundle android games are asking for developer level access rights [00:32] seems legit :/ [00:35] waking mars: development tools - test access to protected storage [00:46] lollerskates [00:58] completely unrelated question, does anyone know if uk immigration law has any provision for self-employed migrants? [01:02] it's an odd one. a freelance writer who's financially self-sufficient irrespective of geography. so there's no "they took our jobs" angle, their employment remains in the US [01:55] shauno, i think tory clamp-downs on immigration mean you won't be allowed in. i know webcomic folks have been denied access, even for just conference appearances [01:58] yeah, looking through the categories I suspected this [01:59] it's not me, luckily. but it does seem difficult that they've responded to certain immigration issues by clamping down on the only groups they can control, which tend to be net-gain groups === IdleOne is now known as Guest61500 === Guest61500 is now known as IdleOne [08:15] Morning all === TheOpenSourcerer is now known as theopensourcerer [09:05] eufloria from the latest humble android bundle is pretty fun [09:09] steam sale alert: Waveform, Serious Sam 3, Dungeons of Dredmor, Cogs, And Yet It Moves, World of Goo, Uplink, and Darwinia, are all 75% off (unlikely to go any lower IME) [09:10] ooh SS3, now is that worth a buy directhex ? [09:10] these are all games listed on the steam linux store page (which is only visible to beta subscribers, although non-beta people can access all those games anyway) [09:11] diplo, well, it's probably the best looking linux game in existence right now. me, i prefer more story-based games, and sam is entirely explosion based, but it#s certainly a competent title [09:11] I used to love playing Serious Sam at i Series lans at 3-4am [09:12] Bought older ones off steam a little while ago in a sale [09:12] Hmm, in steam on my laptop it's giving me the option to install SS3 ( I haven't bought it? ) [09:12] the non-uds steam beta came with free serious sam 3 [09:13] ooh result! [09:14] I don't think my work laptop could handle it though, will wait till I get home [09:25] Good morning all! :-D [09:27] directhex, waveform any good? [09:29] popey, mmm, it's a simplistic indie game. interesting idea, slightly buggy execution. but it's only, like, a quid [09:29] yeah === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:39] directhex: Operation Flashpoint Franchise ( Red River / Dragon Rising ) any good do you know ? [09:46] Morning [09:46] diplo, not really, look for ARMA 2 [09:46] diplo, not my style at all [09:47] if you want something good from the steam sales, the walking dead is fantastic, just finished it on my ps3 last night [09:48] kk ta, looking now [09:49] made this sign to go in the toilets at work..i work with vermin..http://ubuntuone.com/78m6AUR43a2uWjSTJHGEfb [09:59] good morning everyone [10:08] Guys, help if possible or pointers, not ubuntu but you guys are more helpful :) [10:08] Failed to start message bus: Could not get UID and GID for username "dbus" [10:09] Would it be safe to add a user, or safe to reinstall dbus to so that it actually re0creates it [10:10] missing dbus user sounds rather catastrophic [10:10] http://www.spinics.net/lists/redhat/msg100115.html [10:11] That's pretty much is it seems what happened, the guy skipped network setup and did it after [10:11] But no follow up to that email, and haven't found a fix yet [10:11] Everything else seems to work ok apart from one of my scripts that's dependant on dbus [10:11] Live server and don't really want to break anything [10:12] So googling around but haven't found a good answer yet [12:57] Have any of the rasberry pi seen this? http://pibakeoff.leedshack.com/ MIght be something you're interested in [12:57] * DJones inserts "owners" after the pi [13:07] interesting DJones [15:24] hmm [15:24] popey: how does one unmax my terminal window [15:24] cant find the top to see the box any more [15:24] f11 [15:24] perfect! [15:24] thanks [15:25] :) [15:25] no idea what combination I did to do that [15:25] F11 [15:25] :) [15:25] oh [15:25] so it is [15:25] hmmm [15:25] any good reliable telephone/broadband comparison sites. ? [15:25] clearly moshed the keys in rage [15:28] brobostigon, http://www.uswitch.com/broadband/ ? [15:29] thinkbroadband ? [15:30] that second one is new to me, thank you popey [15:58] AlanBell, https://twitter.com/wsgeeks know somewhere they might be able to use? [16:09] AlanBell, libertus.co.uk has an error not loading site at all, not sure why I clicked a link to go there but a FYI :) [16:54] so it does. I expect theopensourcerer broke it [16:59] popey: who is behind that? [17:00] AlanBell, https://twitter.com/JamesFirth i think [17:02] makes sense :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === lap_ is now known as Guest15928 [19:30] Hi everybody . Toby here [19:42] hi tobyisaac [19:42] how're you doing ALan [19:43] fine, on a train [19:43] hahah on a train? wow that's cool. So what device you have with you in the train? [19:43] laptop tethered to android phone [19:44] and here is my stop o/ [19:46] ohh! what country? [19:58] Alan are you still there? [20:08] tobyisaac: UK. this is the UK channel [20:10] Ohh nice. [20:10] i didn't know.. Lol [20:12] I was curious about that. I assume some irc clients pick channels based on the locale? [20:13] I was curious if -uk is chosen by language or location. because many will pick british english over USian pseudoenglish simply because that's what they're taught === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [20:13] yeah, some are set to join #ubuntu-GB which redirects here [20:14] GB being the ISO country code in the locale === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [20:15] I was just trying to figure out why we tend to get the odd indian overnight. and then I realised that I have several friends who will specifically opt for british english because this is what they're taught [20:15] possibly [20:15] we get lost ukranians too [20:16] that makes sense, we stole their tld [20:17] they are UA === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [20:19] per ISO 3166-1, they're uk and we're gb [20:19] but janet bagged .uk before the ukraine hit the internet in any noticable manner [20:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-2:UA [20:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1:UA [20:20] lol that's great [20:20] how old are you and how long have you been working with UBUNTU? [20:21] @shauno, yeah right GB!!!! [20:21] @alan i'm not surprised it's uk chat though, cause everything i browse and everywhere i go, seems to go through UK IP... Kinda love it though. [20:22] i'm going for a $reboot guys.. i'll catch ya sooner [20:22] here's another hard question: http://askubuntu.com/q/220696/12435 [20:28] i'm back guys.. [20:35] I sometimes IRC from a laptop tethered to my phone on the train, but it can be rather slow on the east coast. [20:35] evening all [20:36] ali1234: that seems to be part of the larger question on why things in Linux desktop environments aren't consistent with each other [20:36] ello popey === RaringOne is now known as IdleOne [20:37] dwatkins: not really, i'm looking for a technical explanation, not a "well we need to make developer documentation and UI design guides and get everyone to use gtk3" [20:37] hello everybody. lol [20:37] how do you tethered to your phone guys? [20:38] ali1234: ah ok cool [20:38] tobyisaac: I just use the hotspot tool on Android [20:38] XFCE is moving to gtk3 but it takes time. meanwhile most indicators don't, except for some that have a separate gtk2 port, and some which magically "just work" for reasons that are unclear to me [20:38] i have no android.. sucks for me huh? [20:38] tobyisaac: what phone do you have? [20:38] i got blackberry. hahaha [20:39] ah ok, no idea what that's capable of, tobyisaac - I've used aNokia 6110 as a modem and dialled-up before, but that was a while ago... [20:40] well this blackberry shit's got an hotspot too but only serve as a router. [20:40] actually i know why they magically work, what i don't understand is why there's two APIs for making indicators and why anyone would would choose to use the one that sucks [20:40] historical inertia? [20:40] it doesn't look that way [20:40] the ones that work are all unnofficial ones [20:40] the ones that don't are all the official canonical ones [20:43] also i don't understand the difference between the two APIs but i suspect one is dbus and the other uses direct linking and dbus [20:43] *direct linking and gobject [20:52] ali1234: I expect the canonical ones work perfectly in the scenarios they are tested for [20:53] which is why the third party ones exist and work in other scenarios [20:53] so why create another API? [20:53] oh, the whole indicator API, dunno [20:54] probably one of the many things where Canonical decided to do something so gnome decided to invent it differently [20:54] nope, this has nothing at all to do with gnome [20:54] there are two indicator apis that achieve exactly the same result [20:55] if you use one of the APIs, you have to write two versions of the indicator, one for gtk2 and one for gtk3 [20:55] if you use the other API, you don't [20:55] this isn't about eg how empathy talks to messaging indicator either [20:55] is this libindicate vs libappindicator? [20:55] it's about how the messaging indicator gets itself onto whatever panel you are using [20:56] i'm not sure but i think libappindicator is one of the things involved [20:56] i've basically told you everything i know now :) [20:58] the ones that "work" seem to go though indicator-appication (which has gtk2/3 versions) while the others seem to hit the lower level api direct [21:01] hmm, looks like you have to give it a Gtk.Menu() and presumably giving a gtk3 menu to a gtk2 desktop is a bad idea [21:01] hmm. where as with appindicator you just send a description of the menu, and indicator-application builds it for you? [21:02] that would be my guess [21:02] meh, get with the program and use gtk3 :) [21:02] like i said, xfce is moving to gtk3, but it takes time [21:02] it won't be done in 4.12 [21:02] it will be started though [21:30] hmmm [21:30] fail 1 [21:36] How do I run the isntaller up in low graphics mode? This is an EFI instllare, so I just have grub asking for kernel options [21:37] you could use mini.iso [21:38] Yes. Wondering if I should do that now [21:38] Thought there was a vga boot line [21:44] mini.iso doesn't do efi boot :( [21:58] * daubers attempts with nomodeset [22:00] Oooh progress [22:01] * MartijnV1S looks at the "track & trace" website [22:02] \o/ Fibre NTU + router will be here tomorrow === MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS [22:02] *happy dance* [22:03] * daubers waits for the spinny pizza to spin... [22:03] daubers: 100/100mbit at home! *dance* [22:04] MartijnVdS: I'll be happy if I can get Ubiquity to not just spinny pizza at me... [22:06] * popey points daubers at xnox [22:08] popey: This is largley why macs are stupid [22:08] at least it doesn't just freeze with nomodeset on [22:11] should have done this from a usb stick rather than a dvd I suppose [22:13] what does "http" do? It's using 12% of the CPU [22:15] ah ha! [22:16] * daubers lets it install [22:16] thats apt doing updates surely? [22:16] Must have been [22:17] dkms started running at one point too [22:17] but ubiquity was just sat there at the first "You have space, you have interwebs" screen with the buttons greyed out [22:17] does it have an nvidia card? [22:17] yes [22:17] (hence the nomodeset) [22:17] did you tick the "give me non-free badness" box? [22:17] yes [22:17] ok, so dkms makes sense [22:17] * daubers is bad [22:18] meh [22:18] dude, you've got a mac [22:18] Would be nice to tell people it's actually doing something.... [22:18] you're bad by default :) [22:18] Well.... yes... [22:19] But the good news is that my 3d printed brackets hoold the Mac to the bottom of the desk nice and safely :) [22:22] aaaand [22:22] bed [22:22] nn [22:22] slacker. [22:26] my mouse cursor is annoyingly stuck on the spinny loading icon, any way to force it to stop doing that? [22:28] probably will have to reboot to fix it :( [22:28] Azelphur: log out/in? [22:29] that's just as bad as a reboot :P [22:29] :p [22:32] Bah [22:32] it's not taken then nomodeset line across [22:33] how do I change that with an efi boot? [22:35] plan b [22:35] back to the livecd === davie_ is now known as Guest45317 [22:56] Right! Almost out of nvidia hel [22:56] l [23:00] Woot! [23:00] * daubers lets everything update === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away