[00:21] <derekv> alt+up alt+down swaps lines in emacs, so its actually fewer keystrokes :)
[00:23] <rick_h> ddp (3 keys vs 4) :P
[00:24] <rick_h> is up/down not the arrow keys?
[00:24] <rick_h> otherwise that's just crap
[00:24] <derekv> alt+up swaps current line with the one above
[00:24] <rick_h> right, but by 'up' do you mean 'up arrow'? Or some other key that means 'up'?
[00:24] <derekv> <up-arrow"
[00:25] <rick_h> and yea, I did both so you're right I can't count right
[00:25] <derekv> there's probably some other key for it if you didn't like/have arrow keys
[00:25] <rick_h> die arrows die. They should be removed from the keyboard :P
[00:25] <derekv> i like them
[00:25] <derekv> on my kinesis
[00:27] <rick_h> true, they're better on there I suppose
[00:28] <derekv> so, many keys in emacs are stupid though
[00:28] <derekv> RMS thought that all the keys should stand for something, rather than how they are posisioned
[00:28] <derekv> so i think cursor forward is ctrl+f
[00:28] <derekv> i just use arrow
[02:53] <rick_h_> yay back
[03:00] <snap-l> rick_h_: What's the link to that site for SF books?
[12:11] <snap-l> OK, this is fucking weird
[12:12] <snap-l> Apparently my machine decided to try shutting down without my knowledge
[12:12] <snap-l> and locked up
[12:13] <snap-l> Fucking UPS
[12:34] <rick_h_> happy thanksgiving
[12:34] <rick_h_> and die cats die
[12:51] <_stink_> haha
[12:51] <_stink_> what did they do?
[12:53] <snap-l> http://bandcamp.com/craigmaloney
[12:53] <snap-l> rick_h_: Ahem. ;)
[12:53] <snap-l> There will be no dying cats on my watch
[12:54] <snap-l> Oh, nice, Bandcamp now has wishlists
[12:54] <snap-l> aka: fewer openmetalcast links in bookie
[13:14] <rick_h_> looks like wife shut one up in the guest room overnight on accident
[13:15] <rick_h_> the carpet by the door is going to need some love after getting some claw treatment
[13:15] <snap-l> Oh noes
[13:16] <rick_h_> thus my unhappiness with the species this morning
[15:26] <brousch> beat it until it understands