[00:03] amichair: what does 'xset q' report for your Standby, Suspend, Off? [00:04] SIR_Taco_: if u mean under DPMS - Standby: 1800 Suspend: 2700 Off: 3600 [00:04] but the issues are not with the display, but the pc itself shutting down/suspending [00:06] amichair: ah, misunderstood the issue [00:07] hello a short question in the keditfiletype there is a variable that i can use in the cmd like %U is there a list or a name to find a list with these variables [00:08] SIR_Taco_: any idea where the power profile settings are hiding nowadays? [00:10] yo [00:10] amichair: the options in System Settings -> Power Management are working for you? [00:10] *aren't [00:12] SIR_Taco_: there seems to be only one default profile. I don't see any mention of battery/low battery settings, which I think started working when on UPS power [00:13] there used to be ac/battery tabs, and/or powersave/performance/etc. profiles... [00:14] now the only 'flexibility' is in activity custome settings, but I don't use activities, and they won't solve my problem anyway [00:14] amichair: you don't have these options? http://i.imgur.com/VfdCq.png [00:15] SIR_Taco_: my screen looks the same, but without the tabs [00:15] hmm [00:17] they look familiar though, maybe I have them on the laptop, but not here [00:18] I have a feeling it's not showing them because it somehow detects that this is a desktop rather than a laptop... however it does apply whatever default battery settings are there when it goes to UPS, so it does actually support battery mode, just not allowing me to set it. That's just a hunch. [00:21] amichair: do you have the 'upower' package installed? [00:21] I'll try manually removing the suspendsession stuff from powermanagementprofilesrc, see if it helps [00:22] SIR_Taco_: it appears so [00:23] only other thing I can think of is that somehow, between upgrades, it's doesn't see your laptop as a laptop (ie with battery). Which laptop? [00:23] the issues are on the desktop, not the laptop [00:24] oh [00:25] ok, so you have a desktop on a UPS, and there's no options for the UPS then [00:25] I think after a recent upgrade it started treating the UPS as battery mode, but still doesn't let me configure it. Before that it never did anything different when on UPS. [00:26] this upgrade also changed my default settings for AC mode (it suddenly started hibernating, which it hasn't done in years). I played around with the settings, and I think that doesn't happen any more. [00:27] amichair: what make of UPS? [00:27] APC [00:27] yo [00:28] and you have apcupsd installed aswell? [00:32] yep [00:33] configuration hasn't changed, and I didn't see it as the cause for the shutdowns in the logs [00:36] SIR_Taco_: gotta go... I'll continue investigating this tomorrow. Thanks for your time and intention of helping :-) [00:49] help guys... i messed up my kde, i tried to remove all the other stuff not needed for my graphics driver that was activated because i wanted to have the latest nvidia driver and now i have the latest nvidia driver running but i don't have window decorations anymore... all windows appear in the left upper edge of my kde what shall i do??? [00:51] veryhappy: someone suggested "try pressing ALT+F2 and run: kwin --replace" [00:51] ok i try it out [00:52] before you do that. [00:52] sudo dpkg-reconfigure kwin [00:52] wtf: i told me that kwin isn't installed yet? [00:52] That should set it back to "facroty default" so to speak. [00:52] *it [00:52] IF that fails, then sudo apt-get --reinstall kwin [00:53] i know factory default you mean but it isn't installed :D lmfao [00:53] ok [00:53] --reinstall [00:54] Obsidian1723: invalid operation [00:55] wouldn't it be apt-get install --reinstall? [00:56] only apt-get install [00:56] but i guess i got the mistake [00:56] that i made [00:56] ... [00:56] when i tried to remove nvidia-common i also removed libkwinnvidiahack4 [00:56] that's needed for the kde-window-manager package :D [00:56] hah [00:57] brb [00:57] just try it out [00:58] problem solved !!!!!!!! [00:59] cool [00:59] libkwinnvidiahack4 was reinstalled now and restarted [00:59] :D thanks guys [01:00] the human race gets only smarter by solving pc problems :D we should all use linux instead of windows, clicking around being dumb and fu**ing our women/men :D [01:01] though that can also be sometimes quite helpful to get the head clear again, just don't do it all time :D whatever thank you guys :D === gpoesia_ is now known as gpoesia [01:03] veryhappy agreed, but users have become even more dumbed down. [01:04] yo [01:05] ...... most linux users now spend their time pointing and clicking around KDE or Gnome.... I don't see how that makes them any better than windows users [01:05] "maybe I'll try clicking in one of the dozen places I can configure KDE kwin window behaviour" [01:06] xixor: True, but those are only the newer users. Soon they will come to realizde that not everything on Linux can be done through a GUI, and that the GUI "programs" are really just Qt and GTK front-ends for command line based programs anyway. [01:07] again, no different than windows users [01:07] Many things have more options only via the command line. No GUI front-end will allow them access to all the options. [01:08] Well, Windows users have a pretty limited space in the command line. I'd say it's different. [01:08] hm..... cmd, powershell, and cygwin say otherwise [01:08] and none ofthem are near as flexible as bash [01:08] cygwin is basically linux for windows... [01:08] cygwin is a port hack at best. [01:08] powershell is an aftermarket addon (unless you're on win2012) [01:09] and cmd is just freakin useless [01:09] no, cygwin provides a POSIX environment from which to run POSIX programs. Linux is just another hack of a POSIX environment on which to run those programs [01:09] < cough-cough > #kubuntu-offtopic [01:09] arrrghhh2: and none of them equal bash [01:09] indeed. and agreed with genii-around [01:09] sure [01:25] hi [02:12] hi [02:37] OK getting really frustrated here :( [02:37] Been trying to help a friend through an install. nvidia drivers beena nightmare. [02:38] Novau locks her into 640-480 nvidia current gets the res to normal but cursor problems. [02:39] Had her remove novau and nvidia current but shes in dependency hell with 176 or 96. [02:39] now can't even get nvidia-current to reinstall to try to get Synaptics to resolve the dependency issues. [02:39] Did you try and reconfigure the drivers? [02:39] oh nvidia current worked until kernel update obliterated it. [02:40] Cept for the cursor issue. [02:40] sudo apt-get install -f && sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-current [02:40] nvidia-config did nothing to help. Just wrote an xconfig file. [02:40] could try that [02:40] Thanks, will have her try that now. [02:44] Question is, will that break updates. When I've forced package installs in the past updates would get hung up [02:44] in dependency hell. [02:49] thatsn ot forcing it, only reconfiguring it. [02:50] forcing an install can be a bad idea, true that one. === szal_ is now known as szal [02:56] Hey, when I try to work with last.fm in amarok I get a message saying that a plugin is required for "LASTFM Protocol source" [02:56] When I tell amarok to search for it, it can't find one [02:57] according to Google, amarok 2.6 is supposed to be compiled with LastFM support built in [02:57] any ideas what could be wrong? [02:57] should i be running amarok as su? [02:58] no, dont run it with elevated privledges [02:58] okay, good, i haven't been. [02:58] I gave up on amarok, banshee works fine. You could search to see if there are missing plugins [02:59] maybe install amarok-utils [03:00] hmm. once my install of banshee finishes i'll try that and see if it fixes amarok. [03:00] banshee isn't samarok. that's like saying once I buy my Ford it will fix my Chevy [03:00] no, i mean apt-get is currently locked [03:01] by my installing banshee [03:01] ah ok === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [03:03] yeah, says amarok-utils is already the newest version [03:03] ok [03:03] if banshee has last.fm integration, though, it should work fine [03:03] yup [03:03] assuming it's not also broken [03:03] works for me. [03:09] hi [03:09] can [03:09] bottle [03:09] can I install steam like it was normal Ubuntu? [03:09] sorry :P [03:10] steam installs in Linux. [03:12] FRodrigues: are you talking about the beta Steam client? [03:12] yes [03:13] FRodrigues: shouldn't matter... you may need to install the odd dependency, but the .deb should bring them in for you [03:14] thanks [03:15] I have ubuntu but now I'm thinking about installing kubuntu [03:16] but I'm afraid of the lack of support and bugs that kubuntu may have [03:16] FRodrigues: the base is the same, more-or-less [03:17] I run Kbuntu jkust fine, and Linux is Linux. KDE is just the DE for it. [03:17] thus K Ubuntu [03:17] just dont run non-LTS versions of Ubuntu and things are much more stable with the LTS. [03:18] but can I install the latest kde in kubuntu? [03:18] It should be in it. [03:20] FRodrigues: The lack of support? [03:20] The unity is the loved child of canonical [03:21] kde will never have the same support has the normal ubuntu. [03:22] It never has had the same support >from canonical< but that isn't saying that much :) [03:22] true [03:23] I've actually known a number of people to come to Kubuntu because they could not get help in the #ubuntu chan and we were just friendlier [03:24] Well, Ubujntu is Ubujntu. Toss KDE on it, it's Kubuntu, toss XFCE on it, it's Xubuntu... [03:25] which was my point :P [03:25] yeah [03:25] Linux is Linux, it's only the philosophy of design and the implementation which varies between distros really. [03:25] which is why I said the support From canonical [03:25] Which isn't much [03:26] If you want stablity, go Debian. If you want Debian, but with some non-free, go Ubuntu. If you want Ubuntu, but with it really all pre-configured, go Linux Mint. If you want to suffer, go gentoo. :D [03:26] LFS more likely [03:26] lol [03:26] yeah [03:26] or really go for a challenge, run DVL and then secure it. [03:26] You men Run Windwos thensecure it [03:27] Securing Windows is installing Linux,. [03:27] Shhhhhhh [03:27] lol [03:27] and actually Windows doesn't have the most holes. That aware goes to Oracle. [03:27] award [03:27] THat's not an OS [03:28] Though it's heavily in Android so maybe Android wins? [03:28] Oracle has their own version of Linux. [03:28] of course they also have Java, no holes there heheheh [03:28] In anycase back on topic. A) you can install steam on Kubuntu and b) Don't fear the lack of support. Fear the bugs [03:29] or in the Oracle EBS [03:29] The kde have a lot of bugs : / [03:29] yeah, true that. If you need hand holding and 100% support, buy a Mac :D [03:29] Yeah Unbreakable Linux which made RedHat compromise it's principles [03:29] ALL software has bugs. [03:29] FRodrigues: It's a huge bit of software. I'd expect bugs [03:30] FRodrigues: don't worry about it... give it a try and see [03:30] welp, time for more Dead Bird On A Plate Day food. [03:30] later all! [03:30] bye [03:30] FRodrigues: what bugs are you worried about? [03:31] network manager [03:31] you'll have to give me more than that [03:32] you are afraid of being able to connect to network? [03:32] yeah [03:32] What are the specificsof the network? [03:33] wired wireless? encrypted? [03:33] WPA2 PEAP [03:34] but the problem is the miner problems [03:35] i remember one time that I couldn't change the icons [03:35] and there weren't a solution [03:36] the only solution was to wait for the 4.8 version : / [03:37] I need to learn C++ to contribute something [03:38] because I like KDE but I don't use [03:38] because it's not polished like Unity or Gnome 2 [03:39] do you get it? [03:41] http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=107247 [03:49] how can I set Environment variables automatically? [04:20] FRodrigues: Set them in your start up scripts [04:20] but i dont know what are my start up scripts [04:20] Yeah I understand. but Gnome 2 is quite old so it's had a lot of time to mature [04:20] i put in .bashrc lol [04:21] FRodrigues: That's where I would put it :) [04:21] And that is a startup script [04:22] I think there isn't enough people to properly polish KDE [04:22] they have made and make great things [04:24] Well there is #kde-quality which looks to do that. If that's what you are interested in then by all means jump in and help [04:26] hey anybody have permanent disk io? [04:27] I've got jdb2 writing every couple seconds.. === jeff_ is now known as Guest48032 [04:27] that's terrible [04:28] I don't find actual bug for this issue, I mean I found alot of threads with this problem but no solution... [04:29] jdb2? [04:29] jbd2 )) [04:30] what did you install? [04:31] Oh that's the ext4 journal [04:32] what's invoking it? [04:32] skreech__: nothing [04:33] skreech__: it start to behave like that dunno why [04:33] hmm what services do you have running? [04:39] nothing special [04:39] skreech__: plz spell nick before, or I'm blind to your new msgs [04:40] swex: Sorry [06:03] .-. [07:05] woot? skype for linux 4.1 is out? [08:06] Morning === stephane is now known as Guest2935 [08:38] I want to use unbuffer command in a script file. What packet name It is necessary to download with apt-get install ?? Thanks! [08:39] !find bin/unbuffer [08:39] File bin/unbuffer found in expect-dev [08:39] testlab: ^ you can just type "unbuffer" on the command line and it should tell you, or there's http://packages.ubutnu.com/ where you can search the contents of packages [10:28] whats that.. if i do filetransfer with filezilla, xorg cpu usage is on 70+ %??? [10:29] that's I/O for you [10:30] ha.. refresh nvidia cache seams to heal xorg.. strange [10:30] nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=0 && sleep 2s && nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=1 [10:57] noaXess: if you had a vague idea of the mess that is GPU hw interfaces and low level X/... code it would not surprise you [10:58] noaXess: I find it strange that some GPU driver work most of the time despite everything [11:12] hi === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === jmpiloq_ is now known as jmpiloq === Vito_away is now known as Vito === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw [12:32] hi all [12:36] Hi === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Steph_De_Chine is now known as worm [14:23] i, my touchpad in laptop stop moving mouse, but is work like scrolling, how can i fix it, or restart? (im on usb mouse now, which working good) [14:23] H [14:23] stop moving cursor* [14:40] Hi. [15:31] hi. Which video-editor do you think is the best and most complete for linux? What do you think about Cinerella ? [15:31] only used avidemux [15:32] faLUCE: kdenlive didn't work the last time I tried it [15:35] yofel_: pring [15:37] JontheEchidna: pring [15:40] simplew, don't you mean ping [15:41] or pringles? [15:41] BluesKaj: he has invented a new word [15:41] * RamchandraApte congrats simplew for inventing "pring" [15:45] what matters is that doing the same as a ping, but why would anyone pick on that? seams one hasnt nothing better to do... [15:46] simplew, it was a simple correction on my part , that's all === RamchandraApte is now known as noThingIsnOtMyBu === noThingIsnOtMyBu is now known as allismybusiness [15:47] simplew, you could state your issue instead of trying to get personal help from individuals === allismybusiness is now known as name === name is now known as oh === oh is now known as hmmm [15:48] oh , make up your mind [15:49] or is ith hmmm === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === Steph_De_Chine is now known as worm === bline_away is now known as bline_home [16:19] hi, what is the command to enable restricted drivers in kubuntu [16:22] sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras ablyss [16:23] ablyss, unless you mean for the video card/wifi card [16:23] bazhang, yes for the video [16:23] !find jockey [16:23] Found: jockey-common, jockey-gtk, jockey-kde [16:23] !info jockey-kde [16:23] jockey-kde (source: jockey): KDE user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.7-0ubuntu11 (quantal), package size 9 kB, installed size 112 kB [16:23] nvidia card [16:24] thank you === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ === pc9_ is now known as pc9__ [17:25] hello [17:30] Ab3L: Hello [17:31] ^_^y [17:31] faLUCE: what's your intention? === Obsidian1723-2 is now known as Obsidian1723 [17:33] skreech_: ? [17:33] Ab3L: - _ ^ [17:33] skreech_: about what? [17:33] faLUCE: for the video editor? [17:34] skreech_: solved, meanwhile... they suggested me three main editors: kdenlive, openshot and cinerella [17:34] Those would be the ones I suggest though ... I've not heard of cineralla [17:35] faLUCE: wow! not less than those three! [17:35] faLUCE: Did you mean cinelerra ? [17:35] skreech_: yes :-) [17:36] faLUCE: Ah yes then those were the three I was going to suggest :) [17:36] Also Blender if you got the chops [17:36] :-) [17:36] That's SERIOUS BUSINESS though [17:38] granted Cinelerra isn't much better but I think more actual movies have been made with Blender than cinelerra [17:38] faLUCE: have someone told you about open movie editor ? [17:38] (opinion^^) [17:42] Hi [17:42] Ab3L: no... is it good? [17:43] I want to help(I hear that ...) make kde be more declaritive with qml where to go and where to start ? [17:44] hi is possible to use unity lens in kde [17:44] ? [17:44] i love toboy + web hostory + files = hapy search [17:45] I don't think so, as Unity lenses are for Unity. [17:46] faLUCE: i had good a experience with it. [17:46] Catbuntu, if kde used more declaritive things then it could run lens in menu ? [17:47] kde have alt f2 search [17:48] i think mayby is possible to connect this search engines \ [17:48] plugins to search is new great idea [17:48] I don't know bobweaver :P [17:48] notes, web hostry, files, aps, aps = great [17:49] I'm not actually a KDE user, but I'm thinking to install Kubuntu on my testing partition... Or perhaps crunchbang. [17:49] kubuntu is very nice :) [17:49] agreed [17:49] Yep. [17:49] Catbuntu, I am asking in #kde I ask because I amm a qt/qml dev [17:49] I have some problems with all KDE distros releated to minimizing (even with OpenSUSE) effects. [17:50] i used to use OpenSuSE with kde but i think it's just cleaner in ubuntu [17:50] get a better video card [17:51] what is base package for kde ? not kubuntu-desktop but just kde so I can compile and hack at it ? [17:51] it's black friday :) [17:51] Like the package with a CmakeList.txt file in it that builds kde [17:53] Ab3L: I'll suggest it to my friend [17:54] so no one know upstream for kde envo ? [17:55] bobweaver: #kde-devel ? [17:55] Like I see all these tools kdesrc-build ect but can not find the .... thanks skreech__ [17:56] grek2: It is possible to connect them [17:56] Catbuntu: What's the issue with minimizing? [17:58] bobweaver: umm I forget if there is a kde-minimal [17:58] !info kde-minimal [17:58] Package kde-minimal does not exist in quantal [17:59] skreech__, maybe [17:59] !info kdebase-workspace [17:59] kdebase-workspace (source: kde-workspace): transitional package for kde-workspace. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 13 kB, installed size 146 kB [17:59] but IDK I am new to kde [18:00] not to qt and qml but kde and how you all build it [18:00] !info kde-standard [18:00] kde-standard (source: meta-kde): KDE Plasma Desktop and standard set of applications. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:76~pre1ubuntu3 (quantal), package size 1 kB, installed size 37 kB [18:00] bobweaver: I'd start in #kde-devel they have pertty good docs and help there [18:01] though honestly QML help will probably be easiest to get in #plasma and #active [18:04] skreech__, it just lagged my system. [18:04] :( [18:08] ahhhh.... kde is so much better than gnome :) [18:11] Catbuntu: what video card do you have? [18:11] a NVIDIA 9300M GS === szal_ is now known as szal [18:11] ok_wait: Indeed \m/ [18:11] hmm can You bring that up in #kwin ? [18:11] It happened with the restricted drivers, I don't remember if it happened also with nouveau, I think it did. [18:11] Catbuntu: Would be good if you could check that [18:12] In general all the desktop environments at my computer ar worse with the restricted drivers. [18:12] Excepting XFCE which I'm using now, and Unity at 12.04... [18:12] GNOME Shell is cr*p with restricted drivers, KDE is acceptable at least. [18:12] It doesn't freeze, but just lag. [18:13] Though Kubuntu 12.10 seems to be better than 12.04, and OpenSUSE got better when I upgraded KDE to 4.9. [18:13] So I think I'll give Kubuntu a try again. [18:13] And then report a bug if it's needed. [18:14] Alright that's perfectly acceptable :) [18:15] Something that worries me is the GTK compatibility on KDE. [18:24] Hi guys [18:24] i updated to 13.04 daily build [18:24] but windows manager got crashed now [18:25] san: #ubuntu+1 [18:25] m trying to run kwin from terminal [18:25] and m getting kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libEGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [18:25] san, next-version support in #ubuntu+1 and nowhere else [18:25] do /join #ubuntu+1 [18:25] ok.. Thanks [18:27] Catbuntu: I wouldn't worry about that at all [18:28] Why? [18:28] :P [18:28] Is it possible to use XChat without dying? [18:30] I actually had so many lockups under 12.10 with gimp, firefox, and other GTK apps I reinstalled 12.04 [18:34] genii-around: that's because it's unstable === ubuntu is now known as Guest87562 [18:47] there are unresolved conflicts updating raring: http://pastebin.com/qkrtb77G [18:48] cxvxcv [18:49] is there anybody who uses radio tray? [18:55] simplew, better chance in #ubuntu+1 [18:56] there is an expert of the system tray? [18:59] OerHeks: so ubuntu+1 its also for kubuntu [18:59] simplew yes. [19:00] Ab3L, I am not an expert, but what is your question? [19:02] well, it doen't show anymore the icon of radio tray. it shows only an icon with a question mark. do you know how to get the original icons? [19:02] Ab3L: an icon of the radio tray? [19:02] i've got this problem since an update (don't remember which one). [19:03] simplew: yes [19:03] Ab3L: with radio you referring to wifi button? [19:05] simplew: no. there is an application called "radio tray". you can use it to hear web radios or streaming. what is good, is that you don't need to have a window that take place on the screen, and that you can change radio channel turn it on and off from the system tray. [19:06] Ab3L: ah its an app, and whats the problem? [19:07] just the appearence. the icon on the system tray is not the right one. there is a question mark instead. [19:07] Ab3L: thats related to the icon theme your using [19:07] i ned to login to kde, brb [19:09] i am trying the application radiotray now, never used it before [19:10] Yes, it gives me a white A4 page icon [19:10] like this one: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/23/plasma-desktopqO1992.png [19:11] Jups, with me without Questionmark [19:12] OerHeks: that may depend on your icon set. [19:13] my current set is oxygen [19:13] OerHeks: with Oxygen the questionmark is white/gray [19:13] with Oxygen transparent is blue === len is now known as Guest77804 [19:14] Trying to install a saved package list. but Muon keeps crashing or just doing nothing when i load file [19:14] i changed it to gnome/humanity/humanity-dark, those give a questionmark in the icon like yours. [19:14] I am on this site and my browser loaded a @font-face from it's CSS. The target url for the @font-face is protected, but the font is loaded on the browser. Is there some way to recover it, maybe from the cache or something? [19:15] ok. but there's a way to point a custom icon? [19:16] the same that appears in the launch menu (kickoff/lancelot/....) [19:16] ? [19:20] Hi. [19:20] Nice question: how can I install KDE spanish langpack? [19:20] Before it was something like kde-i18n-es [19:21] Is there another way to install a saved package list. Muon either crashes or does nothing at all to download em! [19:23] Ab3L: run 'kcmshell4 icons' [19:23] Ab3L, the icons are stored in/usr/share/icons/(iconsetname) but i am not sure howto do that [19:23] does anybody have any tip for my issue? [19:24] OerHeks: yes, I've seen. but have the same problem as you: "don't know how to do that" [19:25] that icon manager isn't any help either :( [19:26] Katbuntu, kde-l10n-es [19:26] Thanks! [19:26]