[00:03] <SIR_Taco_> amichair: what does 'xset q' report for your Standby, Suspend, Off?
[00:04] <amichair> SIR_Taco_: if u mean under DPMS - Standby: 1800    Suspend: 2700    Off: 3600
[00:04] <amichair> but the issues are not with the display, but the pc itself shutting down/suspending
[00:06] <SIR_Taco_> amichair: ah, misunderstood the issue
[00:07] <MySystem> hello a short question in the keditfiletype there is a variable that i can use in the cmd like %U is there a list or a name to find a list with these variables
[00:08] <amichair> SIR_Taco_: any idea where the power profile settings are hiding nowadays?
[00:10] <xixor> yo
[00:10] <SIR_Taco_> amichair: the options in System Settings -> Power Management are working for you?
[00:10] <SIR_Taco_> *aren't
[00:12] <amichair> SIR_Taco_: there seems to be only one default profile. I don't see any mention of battery/low battery settings, which I think started working when on UPS power
[00:13] <amichair> there used to be ac/battery tabs, and/or powersave/performance/etc. profiles...
[00:14] <amichair> now the only 'flexibility' is in activity custome settings, but I don't use activities, and they won't solve my problem anyway
[00:14] <SIR_Taco_> amichair: you don't have these options? http://i.imgur.com/VfdCq.png
[00:15] <amichair> SIR_Taco_: my screen looks the same, but without the tabs
[00:15] <SIR_Taco_> hmm
[00:17] <amichair> they look familiar though, maybe I have them on the laptop, but not here
[00:18] <amichair> I have a feeling it's not showing them because it somehow detects that this is a desktop rather than a laptop... however it does apply whatever default battery settings are there when it goes to UPS, so it does actually support battery mode, just not allowing me to set it. That's just a hunch.
[00:21] <SIR_Taco_> amichair: do you have the 'upower' package installed?
[00:21] <amichair> I'll try manually removing the suspendsession stuff from powermanagementprofilesrc, see if it helps
[00:22] <amichair> SIR_Taco_: it appears so
[00:23] <SIR_Taco_> only other thing I can think of is that somehow, between upgrades, it's doesn't see your laptop as a laptop (ie with battery). Which laptop?
[00:23] <amichair> the issues are on the desktop, not the laptop
[00:24] <SIR_Taco_> oh
[00:25] <SIR_Taco_> ok, so you have a desktop on a UPS, and there's no options for the UPS then
[00:25] <amichair> I think after a recent upgrade it started treating the UPS as battery mode, but still doesn't let me configure it. Before that it never did anything different when on UPS.
[00:26] <amichair> this upgrade also changed my default settings for AC mode (it suddenly started hibernating, which it hasn't done in years). I played around with the settings, and I think that doesn't happen any more.
[00:27] <SIR_Taco_> amichair: what make of UPS?
[00:27] <amichair> APC
[00:27] <xixor> yo
[00:28] <SIR_Taco_> and you have apcupsd installed aswell?
[00:32] <amichair> yep
[00:33] <amichair> configuration hasn't changed, and I didn't see it as the cause for the shutdowns in the logs
[00:36] <amichair> SIR_Taco_: gotta go... I'll continue investigating this tomorrow. Thanks for your time and intention of helping :-)
[00:49] <veryhappy> help guys... i messed up my kde, i tried to remove all the other stuff not needed for my graphics driver that was activated because i wanted to have the latest nvidia driver and now i have the latest nvidia driver running but i don't have window decorations anymore... all windows appear in the left upper edge of my kde what shall i do???
[00:51] <arrrghhh2> veryhappy: someone suggested "try pressing ALT+F2 and run:  kwin --replace"
[00:51] <veryhappy> ok i try it out
[00:52] <Obsidian1723> before you do that.
[00:52] <Obsidian1723> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kwin
[00:52] <veryhappy> wtf: i told me that kwin isn't installed yet?
[00:52] <Obsidian1723> That should set it back to "facroty default" so to speak.
[00:52] <veryhappy> *it
[00:52] <Obsidian1723> IF that fails, then sudo apt-get --reinstall kwin
[00:53] <veryhappy> i know factory default you mean but it isn't installed :D lmfao
[00:53] <veryhappy> ok
[00:53] <Obsidian1723> --reinstall
[00:54] <veryhappy> Obsidian1723: invalid operation
[00:55] <arrrghhh2> wouldn't it be apt-get install --reinstall?
[00:56] <veryhappy> only apt-get install
[00:56] <veryhappy> but i guess i got the mistake
[00:56] <veryhappy> that i made
[00:56] <arrrghhh2> ...
[00:56] <veryhappy> when i tried to remove nvidia-common i also removed libkwinnvidiahack4
[00:56] <veryhappy> that's needed for the kde-window-manager package :D
[00:56] <arrrghhh2> hah
[00:57] <veryhappy> brb
[00:57] <veryhappy> just try it out
[00:58] <veryhappy> problem solved !!!!!!!!
[00:59] <Obsidian1723> cool
[00:59] <veryhappy> libkwinnvidiahack4 was reinstalled now and restarted
[00:59] <veryhappy> :D thanks guys
[01:00] <veryhappy> the human race gets only smarter by solving pc problems :D we should all use linux instead of windows, clicking around being dumb and fu**ing our women/men :D
[01:01] <veryhappy> though that can also be sometimes quite helpful to get the head clear again, just don't do it all time :D whatever thank you guys :D
[01:03] <Obsidian1723> veryhappy agreed, but users have become even more dumbed down.
[01:04] <xixor> yo
[01:05] <xixor> ...... most linux users now spend their time pointing and clicking around KDE or Gnome.... I don't see how that makes them any better than windows users
[01:05] <xixor> "maybe I'll try clicking in one of the dozen places I can configure KDE kwin window behaviour"
[01:06] <Obsidian1723> xixor: True, but those are only the newer users. Soon they will come to realizde that not everything on Linux can be done through a GUI, and that the GUI "programs" are really just Qt and GTK front-ends for command line based programs anyway.
[01:07] <xixor> again, no different than windows users
[01:07] <Obsidian1723> Many things have more options only via the command line. No GUI front-end will allow them access to all the options.
[01:08] <Obsidian1723> Well, Windows users have a pretty limited space in the command line. I'd say it's different.
[01:08] <xixor> hm..... cmd, powershell, and cygwin say otherwise
[01:08] <Obsidian1723> and none ofthem are near as flexible as bash
[01:08] <arrrghhh2> cygwin is basically linux for windows...
[01:08] <Obsidian1723> cygwin is a port hack at best.
[01:08] <arrrghhh2> powershell is an aftermarket addon (unless you're on win2012)
[01:09] <arrrghhh2> and cmd is just freakin useless
[01:09] <xixor> no, cygwin provides a POSIX environment from which to run POSIX programs.  Linux is just another hack of a POSIX environment on which to run those programs
[01:09] <genii-around> < cough-cough > #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:09] <Obsidian1723> arrrghhh2: and none of them equal bash
[01:09] <arrrghhh2> indeed.  and agreed with genii-around
[01:09] <xixor> sure
[01:25] <laurden> hi
[02:12] <skreech_> hi
[02:37] <draciron> OK getting really frustrated here :(
[02:37] <draciron> Been trying to help a friend through an install. nvidia drivers beena nightmare.
[02:38] <draciron> Novau locks her into 640-480 nvidia current gets the res to normal but cursor problems.
[02:39] <draciron> Had her remove novau and nvidia current but shes in dependency hell with 176 or 96.
[02:39] <draciron> now can't even get nvidia-current to reinstall to try to get Synaptics to resolve the dependency issues.
[02:39] <Obsidian1723> Did you try and reconfigure the drivers?
[02:39] <draciron> oh nvidia current worked until kernel update obliterated it.
[02:40] <draciron> Cept for the cursor issue.
[02:40] <Obsidian1723> sudo apt-get install -f && sudo dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-current
[02:40] <draciron> nvidia-config did nothing to help. Just wrote an xconfig file.
[02:40] <Obsidian1723> could try that
[02:40] <draciron> Thanks, will have her try that now.
[02:44] <draciron> Question is, will that break updates. When I've forced package installs in the past updates would get hung up
[02:44] <draciron> in dependency hell.
[02:49] <Obsidian1723> thatsn ot forcing it, only reconfiguring it.
[02:50] <Obsidian1723> forcing an install can be a bad idea, true that one.
[02:56] <arcspark> Hey, when I try to work with last.fm in amarok I get a message saying that a plugin is required for "LASTFM Protocol source"
[02:56] <arcspark> When I tell amarok to search for it, it can't find one
[02:57] <arcspark> according to Google, amarok 2.6 is supposed to be compiled with LastFM support built in
[02:57] <arcspark> any ideas what could be wrong?
[02:57] <arcspark> should i be running amarok as su?
[02:58] <Obsidian1723> no, dont run it with elevated privledges
[02:58] <arcspark> okay, good, i haven't been.
[02:58] <Obsidian1723> I gave up on amarok, banshee works fine. You could search to see if there are missing plugins
[02:59] <Obsidian1723> maybe install amarok-utils
[03:00] <arcspark> hmm. once my install of banshee finishes i'll try that and see if it fixes amarok.
[03:00] <Obsidian1723> banshee isn't samarok. that's like saying once I buy my Ford it will fix my Chevy
[03:00] <arcspark> no, i mean apt-get is currently locked
[03:01] <arcspark> by my installing banshee
[03:01] <Obsidian1723> ah ok
[03:03] <arcspark> yeah, says amarok-utils is already the newest version
[03:03] <Obsidian1723> ok
[03:03] <arcspark> if banshee has last.fm integration, though, it should work fine
[03:03] <Obsidian1723> yup
[03:03] <arcspark> assuming it's not also broken
[03:03] <Obsidian1723> works for me.
[03:09] <FRodrigues> hi
[03:09] <FRodrigues> can
[03:09] <SIR_Taco_> bottle
[03:09] <FRodrigues> can I install steam like it was normal Ubuntu?
[03:09] <FRodrigues> sorry :P
[03:10] <Obsidian1723> steam installs in Linux.
[03:12] <SIR_Taco_> FRodrigues: are you talking about the beta Steam client?
[03:12] <FRodrigues> yes
[03:13] <SIR_Taco_> FRodrigues: shouldn't matter... you may need to install the odd dependency, but the .deb should bring them in for you
[03:14] <FRodrigues> thanks
[03:15] <FRodrigues> I have ubuntu but now I'm thinking about installing kubuntu
[03:16] <FRodrigues> but I'm afraid of the lack of support and bugs that kubuntu may have
[03:16] <SIR_Taco_> FRodrigues: the base is the same, more-or-less
[03:17] <Obsidian1723> I run Kbuntu jkust fine, and Linux is Linux. KDE is just the DE for it.
[03:17] <Obsidian1723> thus K Ubuntu
[03:17] <Obsidian1723> just dont run non-LTS versions of Ubuntu and things are much more stable with the LTS.
[03:18] <FRodrigues> but can I install the latest kde in kubuntu?
[03:18] <Obsidian1723> It should be in it.
[03:20] <skreech_> FRodrigues: The lack of support?
[03:20] <FRodrigues> The unity is the loved child of canonical
[03:21] <FRodrigues> kde will never have the same support has the normal ubuntu.
[03:22] <skreech_> It never has had the same support >from canonical< but that isn't saying that much :)
[03:22] <Obsidian1723> true
[03:23] <skreech_> I've actually known a number of people to come to Kubuntu because they could not get help in the #ubuntu chan and we were just friendlier
[03:24] <Obsidian1723> Well, Ubujntu is Ubujntu. Toss KDE on it, it's Kubuntu, toss XFCE on it, it's Xubuntu...
[03:25] <SIR_Taco_> which was my point :P
[03:25] <FRodrigues> yeah
[03:25] <Obsidian1723> Linux is Linux, it's only the philosophy of design and the implementation which varies between distros really.
[03:25] <skreech_> which is why I said the support From canonical
[03:25] <skreech_> Which isn't much
[03:26] <Obsidian1723> If you want stablity, go Debian. If you want Debian, but with some non-free, go Ubuntu. If you want Ubuntu, but with it really all pre-configured, go Linux Mint. If you want to suffer, go gentoo. :D
[03:26] <skreech_> LFS more likely
[03:26] <FRodrigues> lol
[03:26] <Obsidian1723> yeah
[03:26] <Obsidian1723> or really go for a challenge, run DVL and then secure it.
[03:26] <skreech_> You men Run Windwos thensecure it
[03:27] <Obsidian1723> Securing Windows is installing Linux,.
[03:27] <skreech_> Shhhhhhh
[03:27] <FRodrigues> lol
[03:27] <Obsidian1723> and actually Windows doesn't have the most holes. That aware goes to Oracle.
[03:27] <Obsidian1723> award
[03:27] <skreech_> THat's not an OS
[03:28] <skreech_> Though it's heavily in Android so maybe Android wins?
[03:28] <Obsidian1723> Oracle has their own version of Linux.
[03:28] <Obsidian1723> of course they also have Java, no holes there heheheh
[03:28] <skreech_> In anycase back on topic. A) you can install steam on Kubuntu and b) Don't fear the lack of support. Fear the bugs
[03:29] <Obsidian1723> or in the Oracle EBS
[03:29] <FRodrigues> The kde have a lot of bugs : /
[03:29] <Obsidian1723> yeah, true that. If you need hand holding and 100% support, buy a Mac :D
[03:29] <skreech_> Yeah Unbreakable Linux which made RedHat compromise it's principles
[03:29] <Obsidian1723> ALL software has bugs.
[03:29] <skreech_> FRodrigues: It's a huge bit of software. I'd expect bugs
[03:30] <SIR_Taco_> FRodrigues: don't worry about it... give it a try and see
[03:30] <Obsidian1723> welp, time for more Dead Bird On A Plate Day food.
[03:30] <Obsidian1723> later all!
[03:30] <FRodrigues> bye
[03:30] <skreech_> FRodrigues: what bugs are you worried about?
[03:31] <FRodrigues> network manager
[03:31] <skreech_> you'll have to give me more than that
[03:32] <skreech_> you are afraid of being able to connect to network?
[03:32] <FRodrigues> yeah
[03:32] <skreech_> What are the specificsof the network?
[03:33] <skreech_> wired wireless? encrypted?
[03:33] <FRodrigues> WPA2 PEAP
[03:34] <FRodrigues> but the problem is the miner problems
[03:35] <FRodrigues> i remember one time that I couldn't change the icons
[03:35] <FRodrigues> and there weren't a solution
[03:36] <FRodrigues> the only solution was to wait for the 4.8 version : /
[03:37] <FRodrigues> I need to learn C++ to contribute something
[03:38] <FRodrigues> because I like KDE but I don't use
[03:38] <FRodrigues> because it's not polished like Unity or Gnome 2
[03:39] <FRodrigues> do you get it?
[03:41] <FRodrigues> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=107247
[03:49] <FRodrigues> how can I set Environment variables automatically?
[04:20] <skreech__> FRodrigues: Set them in your start up scripts
[04:20] <FRodrigues> but i dont know what are my start up scripts
[04:20] <skreech__> Yeah I understand. but Gnome 2 is quite old so it's had a lot of time to mature
[04:20] <FRodrigues> i put in .bashrc lol
[04:21] <skreech__> FRodrigues: That's where I would put it :)
[04:21] <skreech__> And that is a startup script
[04:22] <FRodrigues> I think there isn't enough people to properly polish KDE
[04:22] <FRodrigues> they have made and make great things
[04:24] <skreech__> Well there is #kde-quality which looks to do that. If that's what you are interested in then by all means jump in and help
[04:26] <swex> hey anybody have permanent disk io?
[04:27] <swex> I've got jdb2 writing every couple seconds..
[04:27] <swex> that's terrible
[04:28] <swex> I don't find actual bug for this issue, I mean I found alot of threads with this problem but no solution...
[04:29] <skreech__> jdb2?
[04:29] <swex> jbd2 ))
[04:30] <skreech__> what did you install?
[04:31] <skreech__> Oh that's the ext4 journal
[04:32] <skreech__> what's invoking it?
[04:32] <swex> skreech__: nothing
[04:33] <swex> skreech__: it start to behave like that dunno why
[04:33] <skreech__> hmm what services do you have running?
[04:39] <swex> nothing special
[04:39] <swex> skreech__: plz spell nick before, or I'm blind to your new msgs
[04:40] <skreech__> swex: Sorry
[06:03] <milo64> .-.
[07:05] <avihay> woot? skype for linux 4.1 is out?
[08:06] <Smurphy> Morning
[08:38] <testlab> I want to use unbuffer command in a script file. What packet name It is necessary to download with apt-get install <packet name> ?? Thanks!
[08:39] <tsimpson> !find bin/unbuffer
[08:39] <tsimpson> testlab: ^ you can just type "unbuffer" on the command line and it should tell you, or there's http://packages.ubutnu.com/ where you can search the contents of packages
[10:28] <noaXess> whats that.. if i do filetransfer with filezilla, xorg cpu usage is on 70+ %???
[10:29] <tsimpson> that's I/O for you
[10:30] <noaXess> ha.. refresh nvidia cache seams to heal xorg.. strange
[10:30] <noaXess> nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=0 && sleep 2s && nvidia-settings -a PixmapCache=1
[10:57] <Walex2> noaXess: if you had a vague idea of the mess that is GPU hw interfaces and low level X/... code it would not surprise you
[10:58] <Walex2> noaXess: I find it strange that some GPU driver work most of the time despite everything
[11:12] <cseviciu> hi
[12:32] <BluesKaj> hi all
[12:36] <datruth> Hi
[14:23] <Husar|2> i, my touchpad in laptop stop moving mouse, but is work like scrolling, how can i fix it, or restart? (im on usb mouse now, which working good)
[14:23] <Husar|2> H
[14:23] <Husar|2> stop moving cursor*
[14:40] <Graf_Westerholt> Hi.
[15:31] <faLUCE>  hi. Which video-editor do you think is the best and most complete for linux? What do you think about Cinerella ?
[15:31] <RamchandraApte> only used avidemux
[15:32] <RamchandraApte> faLUCE: kdenlive didn't work the last time I tried it
[15:35] <simplew> yofel_: pring
[15:37] <simplew> JontheEchidna: pring
[15:40] <BluesKaj> simplew, don't you mean ping
[15:41] <OerHeks> or pringles?
[15:41] <RamchandraApte> BluesKaj: he has invented a new word
[15:41]  * RamchandraApte congrats simplew for inventing "pring"
[15:45] <simplew> what matters is that doing the same as a ping, but why would anyone pick on that? seams one hasnt nothing better to do...
[15:46] <BluesKaj> simplew, it was a simple correction on my part , that's all
[15:47] <BluesKaj> simplew, you could state your issue instead of trying to get personal help from individuals
[15:48] <BluesKaj> oh , make up your mind
[15:49] <BluesKaj> or is ith hmmm
[16:19] <ablyss> hi, what is the command to enable restricted drivers in kubuntu
[16:22] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras ablyss
[16:23] <bazhang> ablyss, unless you mean for the video card/wifi card
[16:23] <ablyss> bazhang, yes for the video
[16:23] <bazhang> !find jockey
[16:23] <bazhang> !info jockey-kde
[16:23] <ablyss> nvidia card
[16:24] <ablyss> thank you
[17:25] <Ab3L> hello
[17:30] <skreech_> Ab3L: Hello
[17:31] <Ab3L> ^_^y
[17:31] <skreech_> faLUCE: what's your intention?
[17:33] <faLUCE> skreech_: ?
[17:33] <skreech_> Ab3L: - _ ^
[17:33] <faLUCE> skreech_: about what?
[17:33] <skreech_> faLUCE: for the video editor?
[17:34] <faLUCE> skreech_: solved, meanwhile... they suggested me three main editors: kdenlive, openshot and cinerella
[17:34] <skreech_> Those would be the ones I suggest though ... I've not heard of cineralla
[17:35] <Ab3L> faLUCE: wow! not less than those three!
[17:35] <skreech_> faLUCE: Did you mean cinelerra ?
[17:35] <faLUCE> skreech_: yes :-)
[17:36] <skreech_> faLUCE: Ah yes then those were the three I was going to suggest :)
[17:36] <skreech_> Also Blender if you got the chops
[17:36] <faLUCE> :-)
[17:36] <skreech_> That's SERIOUS BUSINESS though
[17:38] <skreech_> granted Cinelerra isn't much better but I think more actual movies have been made with Blender than cinelerra
[17:38] <Ab3L> faLUCE: have someone told you about  open movie editor ?
[17:38] <skreech_> (opinion^^)
[17:42] <Catbuntu> Hi
[17:42] <faLUCE> Ab3L: no... is it good?
[17:43] <bobweaver> I want to help(I hear that ...) make kde be more declaritive with qml where to go and where to start ?
[17:44] <grek2> hi is possible to use unity lens in kde
[17:44] <grek2> ?
[17:44] <grek2> i love toboy + web hostory + files = hapy search
[17:45] <Catbuntu> I don't think so, as Unity lenses are for Unity.
[17:46] <Ab3L> faLUCE: i had good a experience with it.
[17:46] <bobweaver> Catbuntu,  if kde used more declaritive things then it could run lens in menu ?
[17:47] <grek2> kde have alt f2 search
[17:48] <grek2> i think mayby is possible to connect this search engines \
[17:48] <grek2> plugins to search is new great idea
[17:48] <Catbuntu> I don't know bobweaver :P
[17:48] <grek2> notes, web hostry, files, aps, aps  = great
[17:49] <Catbuntu> I'm not actually a KDE user, but I'm thinking to install Kubuntu on my testing partition... Or perhaps crunchbang.
[17:49] <grek2> kubuntu is very nice :)
[17:49] <ok_wait> agreed
[17:49] <Catbuntu> Yep.
[17:49] <bobweaver> Catbuntu,  I am asking in #kde I ask because I amm a qt/qml dev
[17:49] <Catbuntu> I have some problems with all KDE distros releated to minimizing (even with OpenSUSE) effects.
[17:50] <ok_wait> i used to use OpenSuSE with kde but i think it's just cleaner in ubuntu
[17:50] <ok_wait> get a better video card
[17:51] <bobweaver> what is base package for kde ? not kubuntu-desktop but just kde so I can compile and hack at it ?
[17:51] <ok_wait> it's black friday :)
[17:51] <bobweaver> Like the package with a CmakeList.txt file in it that builds kde
[17:53] <faLUCE> Ab3L: I'll suggest it to my friend
[17:54] <bobweaver> so no one know upstream for kde envo ?
[17:55] <skreech__> bobweaver: #kde-devel ?
[17:55] <bobweaver> Like I see all these tools kdesrc-build ect but can not find the .... thanks skreech__
[17:56] <skreech__> grek2: It is possible to connect them
[17:56] <skreech__> Catbuntu: What's the issue with minimizing?
[17:58] <skreech__> bobweaver: umm I forget if there is a kde-minimal
[17:58] <skreech__> !info kde-minimal
[17:59] <bobweaver> skreech__,  maybe
[17:59] <bobweaver> !info kdebase-workspace
[17:59] <bobweaver> but IDK I am new to kde
[18:00] <bobweaver> not to qt and qml but kde and how you all build it
[18:00] <skreech__> !info kde-standard
[18:00] <skreech__> bobweaver: I'd start in #kde-devel they have pertty good docs and help there
[18:01] <skreech__> though honestly QML help will probably be easiest to get in #plasma and #active
[18:04] <Catbuntu> skreech__, it just lagged my system.
[18:04] <Catbuntu> :(
[18:08] <ok_wait> ahhhh....   kde is so much better than gnome :)
[18:11] <skreech__> Catbuntu: what video card do you have?
[18:11] <Catbuntu> a NVIDIA 9300M GS
[18:11] <ronnoc> ok_wait: Indeed \m/
[18:11] <skreech__> hmm can You bring that up in #kwin ?
[18:11] <Catbuntu> It happened with the restricted drivers, I don't remember if it happened also with nouveau, I think it did.
[18:11] <skreech__> Catbuntu: Would be good if you could check that
[18:12] <Catbuntu> In general all the desktop environments at my computer ar worse with the restricted drivers.
[18:12] <Catbuntu> Excepting XFCE which I'm using now, and Unity at 12.04...
[18:12] <Catbuntu> GNOME Shell is cr*p with restricted drivers, KDE is acceptable at least.
[18:12] <Catbuntu> It doesn't freeze, but just lag.
[18:13] <Catbuntu> Though Kubuntu 12.10 seems to be better than 12.04, and OpenSUSE got better when I upgraded KDE to 4.9.
[18:13] <Catbuntu> So I think I'll give Kubuntu a try again.
[18:13] <Catbuntu> And then report a bug if it's needed.
[18:14] <skreech__> Alright that's perfectly acceptable :)
[18:15] <Catbuntu> Something that worries me is the GTK compatibility on KDE.
[18:24] <san> Hi guys
[18:24] <san> i updated to 13.04 daily build
[18:24] <san> but windows manager got crashed now
[18:25] <genii-around> san: #ubuntu+1
[18:25] <san> m trying to run kwin from terminal
[18:25] <san> and m getting kwin: error while loading shared libraries: libEGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[18:25] <TheLordOfTime> san, next-version support in #ubuntu+1 and nowhere else
[18:25] <TheLordOfTime> do /join #ubuntu+1
[18:25] <san> ok.. Thanks
[18:27] <Daskreech> Catbuntu:  I wouldn't worry about that at all
[18:28] <Catbuntu> Why?
[18:28] <Catbuntu> :P
[18:28] <Catbuntu> Is it possible to use XChat without dying?
[18:30] <genii-around> I actually had so many lockups under 12.10 with gimp, firefox, and other GTK apps I reinstalled 12.04
[18:34] <Obsidian1723> genii-around: that's because it's unstable
[18:47] <simplew>  there are unresolved  conflicts updating raring: http://pastebin.com/qkrtb77G
[18:48] <Guest87562> cxvxcv
[18:49] <Ab3L> is there anybody who uses radio tray?
[18:55] <OerHeks> simplew, better chance in #ubuntu+1
[18:56] <Ab3L> there is an expert of the system tray?
[18:59] <simplew> OerHeks: so ubuntu+1 its also for kubuntu
[18:59] <OerHeks> simplew yes.
[19:00] <OerHeks> Ab3L, I am not an expert, but what is your question?
[19:02] <Ab3L> well, it doen't show anymore the icon of radio tray. it shows only an icon with a question mark. do you know how to get the original icons?
[19:02] <simplew> Ab3L: an icon of the radio tray?
[19:02] <Ab3L> i've got this problem since an update (don't remember which one).
[19:03] <Ab3L> simplew: yes
[19:03] <simplew> Ab3L: with radio you referring to wifi button?
[19:05] <Ab3L> simplew: no. there is an application called "radio tray". you can use it to hear web radios or streaming. what is good, is that you don't need to have a window that take place on the screen, and that you can change radio channel turn it on and off from the system tray.
[19:06] <simplew> Ab3L: ah its an app, and whats the problem?
[19:07] <Ab3L> just the appearence. the icon on the system tray is not the right one. there is a question mark instead.
[19:07] <simplew> Ab3L: thats related to the icon theme your using
[19:07] <simplew> i ned to login to kde, brb
[19:09] <OerHeks> i am trying the application radiotray now, never used it before
[19:10] <OerHeks> Yes, it gives me a white A4 page icon
[19:10] <Ab3L> like this one: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/23/plasma-desktopqO1992.png
[19:11] <OerHeks> Jups, with me without Questionmark
[19:12] <Ab3L> OerHeks: that may depend on your icon set.
[19:13] <OerHeks> my current set is oxygen
[19:13] <Ab3L> OerHeks: with Oxygen the questionmark is white/gray
[19:13] <Ab3L> with Oxygen transparent is blue
[19:14] <jman> Trying to install a saved package list.  but Muon keeps crashing or just doing nothing when i load file
[19:14] <OerHeks> i changed it to gnome/humanity/humanity-dark, those give a questionmark in the icon like yours.
[19:14] <rickycezar> I am on this site and my browser loaded a @font-face from it's CSS. The target url for the @font-face is protected, but the font is loaded on the browser. Is there some way to recover it, maybe from the cache or something?
[19:15] <Ab3L> ok. but there's a way to point a custom icon?
[19:16] <Ab3L> the same that appears in the launch menu (kickoff/lancelot/....)
[19:16] <Ab3L> ?
[19:20] <Katbuntu> Hi.
[19:20] <Katbuntu> Nice question: how can I install KDE spanish langpack?
[19:20] <Katbuntu> Before it was something like kde-i18n-es
[19:21] <jman> Is there another way to install a saved package list.  Muon either crashes or does nothing at all to download em!
[19:23] <simplew> Ab3L: run 'kcmshell4 icons'
[19:23] <OerHeks> Ab3L, the icons are stored in/usr/share/icons/(iconsetname) but i am not sure howto do that
[19:23] <rickycezar> does anybody have any tip for my issue?
[19:24] <Ab3L> OerHeks: yes, I've seen. but have the same problem as you: "don't know how to do that"
[19:25] <OerHeks> that icon manager isn't any help either :(
[19:26] <OerHeks> Katbuntu, kde-l10n-es
[19:26] <Katbuntu> Thanks!
[19:26] <tsimpson> Katbuntu: System Settings -> Locale, add Spanish, it should then install the package it needs
[19:26] <Katbuntu> Spanish doesn't appear at the system settings, but after upgrading I'll install the l10n and let's see.
[19:27] <Katbuntu> OerHeks: what's the difference between i18n and l18n?
[19:27] <Ab3L> simplew: <OerHeks> that icon manager isn't any help either :(
[19:27] <simplew> Ab3L: if is an icon name that isnt common than it will not be changed when changing icon theme
[19:27] <tsimpson> Katbuntu: i18n = internationalization, l10n = localization
[19:28] <Katbuntu> And what's the difference?
[19:28] <simplew> Ab3L: look to the .desktop file from that radio app and see which icon sues, maybe from that point you can do some
[19:28] <simplew> rickycezar: issue?
[19:28] <Ab3L> simplew: well, sometime the question mark desappears or change colour.
[19:29] <tsimpson> Katbuntu: well i18n would the process of making something translatable, l10n would be actually translating something
[19:29] <Ab3L> simplew: where are they located the .desktop files?
[19:30] <Katbuntu> Okay.
[19:30] <OerHeks> Ab3L, drag the radiotray to your desktop, it is located in 'multimedia'
[19:30] <OerHeks> odd it appears there with the right icon
[19:31] <simplew> Ab3L: /usr/share/applications
[19:31] <Katbuntu> Let's restart, brb.
[19:32] <OerHeks> Ab3L, i think this is worth a bugreport
[19:32] <Ab3L> simplew: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1380230
[19:33] <Ab3L> simplew: i've found two .desktop files. I pasted-bin them.
[19:34] <simplew> Ab3L: the icon name is radiotray, now check if the icons themes have that name
[19:36] <simplew> Ab3L: from this point you can change the icon that the radio app uses
 Ab3L: the icon name is radiotray, now check if the icons themes have that name <---  i don't have any idea about how to do it
[19:40] <Ab3L> where should i look?
[19:40] <simplew> Ab3L: icon themes, the ones that appear from runing 'kcmshell4 icons' are in /usr/share/icons
[19:40] <Ab3L> then, is it possible to add that name to the icon set?
[19:41] <simplew> Ab3L: you can add an icon with that name (if the icon doesnt already exists) to the icon theme and regenerate icon cache
[19:42] <veryhappy> hi guys, i have this annoying kde accessibility icon in my bar and would like to get rid off that, of course i understand there are humans with disabilities, i'm not one of them and so i don't need this thing. so how do i get rid off it?
[19:43] <simplew> veryhappy: right click on it and see the option to exit
[19:43] <veryhappy> simplew: haha, the funniest thing is, it keeps bothering me when i click on exit
[19:44] <simplew> veryhappy: i dont know which icon is, i would need to know more to be able to help
[19:45] <veryhappy> ok you see a blue background on it and in the foreground is a white little man shown.
[19:46] <simplew> veryhappy: i really dont know which app is that
[19:48] <veryhappy> why? it's the kde accessibiltiy application it shows me something like kcmaccess when i try to find out its name
[19:48] <Katbuntu> Hi
[19:49] <simplew> veryhappy: you can confgure it by runing 'kcmshell4 kcmaccess'
[19:52] <veryhappy> ok
[19:52] <veryhappy> thanks
[19:52] <veryhappy> but:
[19:53] <veryhappy> that's the normal dialog where i can't configure to NOT let it start
[19:53] <veryhappy> can't i switch off the service?
[19:55] <simplew> veryhappy: whats the output of 'ps aux|grep access' ?
[20:04] <veryhappy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1380316/
[20:05] <simplew> veryhappy: run: kill -9 /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kaccessibleapp
[20:09] <Katbuntu> It crashed D:
[20:09] <Katbuntu> I just used a "hot corner" and it logged out.
[20:09] <Katbuntu> :?
[20:18] <veryhappy> simplew: didn't work
[20:20] <simplew> veryhappy: yes it does, that kills the app
[20:20] <simplew> veryhappy: you can also run /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kaccessibleapp and disable "Enable Screenreader"
[20:23] <simplew> veryhappy: seams isnt accepting -9 argument, run: sudo killall  /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kaccessibleapp
[20:23] <simplew> veryhappy: that will for sure kill it
[20:25] <simplew> veryhappy: uau, once its killed it restarts
[20:26] <simplew> veryhappy: this is a bugyy app, better ask in #kde and report a bug
[20:28] <veryhappy> :D yea
[20:28] <veryhappy> it always restarts
[20:28] <veryhappy> i'll ask later in kde
[20:28] <veryhappy> now i gotta go for a while
[20:28] <veryhappy> thanks anyway for the try
[20:28] <veryhappy> take care
[20:28] <simplew> veryhappy: ypouhave another option
[20:28] <veryhappy> yea?
[20:28] <veryhappy> which one
[20:28] <simplew> veryhappy: you can simply uninstall the package kaccessible
[20:29] <veryhappy> oh over synaptics or muon?
[20:29] <veryhappy> just uninstall ok, i'll do that
[20:29] <simplew> veryhappy: sudo apt-get purge kaccessible
[20:29] <veryhappy> yea that also works
[20:29] <veryhappy> ok
[20:29] <veryhappy> thanks buddy
[20:29] <veryhappy> take care :)
[20:29] <simplew> bye
[20:33] <simplew> yofel: dbus keeps restarting kaccessible, how can it be killed? (since kill does kills it but it restarts)
[20:34] <Ab3L> simplew: it doesn't work. i'll make another attempt tomorrow
[20:34] <Ab3L> thanks
[20:36] <yofel> simplew: without knowing what actually starts it, I would remove the executable flag from the binary. But that's an ugly workaround at best
[20:37] <simplew> yofel: its dbus
[20:37] <Torch> maybe have a look in kded services?
[20:47] <simplew> kaccessible from hell
[20:48] <simplew> yofel: i close it with:  qdbus org.kde.kaccessibleapp /MainApplication org.kde.KApplication.quit
[20:48] <SJr> I think I have found a bug in KDE  on Kubuntu 12.04. If I run Eclipse, and change the color scheme a certain panel (not sure what to call it but is like a pop up used for overlays) gets the correct colour change the first time. If I change it again, this tooltip becomes black on black and I can't use it again. This happens even on new installs and is reproducable. For instance open eclipse, go in debbuging mode. Open up appearances -> Colors
[20:48] <SJr> . Change theme from Current to Norway, this window gets the correct color. Change it back to anything else, it's now black on black. Changing the color again has no effect.
[20:48] <simplew> yofel: and keeps restarintg
[20:49] <yofel> check what Torch said, otherwise I don't know
[20:49] <simplew> yofel: i dont know what that mans
[20:50]  * yofel isn't sure if kded has anthing to do with this though
[20:52] <Torch> yofel: the thing being a separate process rather not
[20:53] <yofel> yeah
[20:54] <Katbuntu> BBye.
[20:54] <simplew>  qdbus org.kde.kaccessibleapp /MainApplication quit    closes it, but it then dbus restarts it
[20:58] <BarkingFish> Hi guys - got a little issue I need sorting out if anyone can help.  I'm installing a brand new font family to my kit, the problem is that I can either install each variant individually, which will take hours, or if I try to install all of them at once, Plasma locks up, eventually followed by my PC.
[20:59] <BarkingFish> There are 85 variants, and I'm not going to sit and install them all one by one - I'll be here till hell freezes over and satan wears ear muffs :)
[21:00] <BarkingFish> Anyone know how I install them as a whole without taking all night or killing my pc please? :)
[21:05] <Torch> in the olden days[tm] you just copied the font files to /usr/loca/share/fonts/<whatever> and re-created the font cache
[21:05] <Torch> that should probably still work best for a larger number of fonts today
[21:05] <BarkingFish> yeah - it does, but only for local user.  I want them system wide, which requires installing them properly, with perms.
[21:06] <Torch> note the destination dir i gave
[21:06] <Torch> maybe google can help you with this on (k)ubuntu
[22:08] <dougl> too quiet in here... internet must be broken cuz 12.10 is not flawless or perfectly intuitive - c'mon folk look alive :)
[22:11] <BluesKaj> dougl, nothing
[22:11] <BluesKaj> 's perfect ,
[22:12] <BluesKaj> but 12.10 is humming along here just fine atm
[22:13] <dougl> hello BluesKaj how are you - same here... just ticking along, touch wood :)
[22:14] <BluesKaj> ine here dougl , and you ?
[22:14] <BluesKaj> er fine :)
[22:16] <dougl> What can I say => the weekend is here... all good ::)
[22:20] <BluesKaj> yup , almost dinnertime here ...think call it a day ..later
[22:25] <ptomblin> Does anybody have any experience with using two Dual-link DVI monitors?
[22:28] <dougl> ptomblin, I have used 2 monitors... dunno much about dual-link - would they be that different from a standard monitor or tv?
[22:29] <ptomblin> dougl, I have two monitors now.
[22:29] <ptomblin> But I'm thinking of buying two of those 27" IPS monitors.
[22:29] <dougl> oh - nice
[22:30] <ptomblin> They require dual-link DVI, which means having two video cards.  My current set-up has one video card driving both monitors.
[22:30] <ptomblin> Yeah, microcenter.com has them for $450 incluing new york tax.
[22:30] <ptomblin> I'm wondering if having the two monitors on separate video cards will change things.
[22:31] <dougl> what makes them that valuable? sli or crossfire?
[22:31] <ptomblin> Right now I can drag windows from one monitor to the other, but I don't know if it will be different with two video cards.
[22:32] <ptomblin> The monitors cost $450 because they have the same resolution as a $2500 Apple Cinema Display.
[22:32] <ptomblin> 2460x1440 or something like that.
[22:32] <dougl> nice... you use nvidia or ati?
[22:33] <ptomblin> My current card is an nVidia ... 430 or something like that.
[22:33] <ptomblin> It's got a dual link DVI port , as well as hdmi out.
[22:34] <ptomblin> GeForce GT 430 - according to lspci
[22:35] <dougl> evga = bad fan, check regularly.
[22:36] <dougl> I don't know about the twinview with 2 video cards... but if it is twinview it should perform the same...
[22:36] <dougl> how 'bout it ppl anyone know this for a fact?
[22:44] <simplew> i have set new fonts and sizes but each time o login kde apepars with ubuntu fonts and sizes instead the ones i did set, why is this happening?
[22:45] <simplew> yofel: any hint?
[22:50] <ptomblin> www.crashplan.com cloud backup is having a big sale - the price is currently just over $10 for their family plan, but it goes up every 2 hours
[22:50] <ptomblin> Looks like they support linux as well.
[22:53] <simplew> ptomblin: already have 10GB for free
[23:02] <simplew> why in KDM user guest does not appear?
[23:03] <yofel> simplew: no idea about the fonts right now, but kdm has no guest session, that's a lightdm feature
[23:03] <simplew> yofel: in other distros does
[23:04] <yofel> then they added it I guess? I don't know kdm too well
[23:05] <simplew> yofel: so this appers to be a problem in kubuntu
[23:07] <simplew> yofel: now i got why, because kdm is set to now allow uid less than 1000 and guest is 116
[23:09] <simplew> yofel: unbelievable, i havent logout and the fonts already got back to ubuntu defaults, what i set is gone, how can this be???
[23:10] <yofel> kde font settings or gtk ones?
[23:10] <simplew> kde fonts
[23:12] <simplew> yofel: some crazy script is runing in background...
[23:12] <yofel> check if your settings are owned by you, otherwise this shouldn't happen
[23:12] <simplew> yofel: of course they are
[23:14] <yofel> does someone else have an idea? I'm too tired to think of any sensible reason why this would happen that doesn't include background scripts that shouldn't be there
[23:15] <simplew> yofel: this appears to be related with /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings  and an update-alternative runing
[23:15] <yofel> you are on quantal, are you?
[23:16] <simplew> yofel: now im in raring
[23:16] <yofel> -> #ubuntu+1 please
[23:17] <simplew> yofel: sorry, i forgotthat part
[23:26] <Catbuntu> H
[23:45] <Tjips_> I want to install kubuntu 12.10 using a USB flash. I used the amd64 iso I got from the download site and made a start-up disk in kubuntu 12.04.1 using the Startup Disk Creator. The problem is that my system isn't booting from it. Any ideas on what's going wrong?
[23:48] <dougl> Tjips_, I used netbootin to make usb stick... is your bios config'd to boot from usb or can you select it?
[23:49]  * dougl recalls 12.10 attempt #2 cd actually had the iso file on it not the image burned to it.
[23:50] <Tjips_> dougl: I config'd my bios so the flash is first in the boot order. I can also select what to boot from, but last time I tried to it just booted as if the flash wasn't there.
[23:51] <Tjips_> dougl: did the netbootin stick boot as intended?
[23:51] <dougl> Tjips_, sounds probable a bad copy, netbootin worked like a charm on 12.04 and 12.10
[23:52] <Tjips_> dougl: mmm, thanks. I think I'll try making it again with netbootin. wish me luck :D
[23:53] <dougl> good luck Tjips_ - use the force :)
[23:54] <racquad> hi there. I'm using Kubuntu and Thunderbird as my mail client. I would love to switch to Kmail, but I can't configure it to embed my HTML signature. It has a table and an image (hosted at my website). Thunderbird works fine with it, but kmail append a plain text. How can I configure it?
[23:58] <racquad> anyone? any idea?