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directhexkindle fire is £99 today00:40
daftykinswowzer00:49
daftykinsweird how the UK gets the US sales days :)00:49
directhexagreed00:49
daftykinsi feel it's too 'dangerous' to buy a tablet or smartphone now, too many concerns over whether it'll get abandoned sooner rather than later on the OS update fronts00:50
daftykinsit's perpetuating the disposable approach toward gadgets even more i think00:51
directhexwell, OS updates are via amazon00:53
directhexyou're not meant to know it's android underneath00:53
directhexit's just "teh kindle"00:54
daftykinsyeah, that's even worse though00:54
daftykinsi'd heard from an anandtech podcast that the purpose of the Kindle Fire's browser was to increase updates, and yet it's had none >_<00:55
ali1234what's the environment you have to set to run commands without translation?01:50
ali1234it's like export LANG=C or something01:50
ali1234http://askubuntu.com/q/220774/12435 if you know, I'm going to bed :)02:08
daftykinsnn o/02:09
neurodaftykins: re abandoned tablets03:20
neuronon-iOS tables - correct03:20
neuroa kindle fire for £109 sounds good (no way would I buy the ad-supported version for the sake of a tenner) but after a play with it, it feels terrible03:22
Azelphurneuro: nexus 703:22
neuroalso awful03:23
AzelphurBLASPHEMY03:23
neuro"hey, let's screw the early adopters by bringing out a 32gig model for the same price as the 16gig, yay!"03:23
Azelphurapart from that03:23
Azelphurbut, I'm happy with the 16 that I bought03:23
neuroi used mine hard for the first couple of weeks, ended up drifting back to my ipad03:24
AzelphurI don't feel particularly screwed, and I have plenty of free space03:24
neuroalso, similar to the fire, i find the bezel way too large for the form factor03:25
neuroand the speaker placement is crap03:25
neuroif blackberry did one thing right on the playbook, it was the speakers03:25
neurobrilliant front facing stereo ones03:25
neurothe only good thing about the nexus is jelly bean and Google Now03:26
neuroway better than siri03:27
MartijnVdSpeople use Google Now's voice stuff?!06:32
shaunoI find this one interesting.  despite what a phone is nominally for, I feel like a complete idiot talking to my phone06:36
MartijnVdSso do I.. and in Dutch it's not as accurate as in English06:37
MooDoomorning all07:00
MartijnVdS\o MooDoo07:11
MooDooMartijnVdS: thought i was the only mad one up this early lol07:49
MartijnVdSMooDoo: I'm one time zone to the right.. so I'm cheating07:49
MooDoolol07:49
diploMorning08:18
MooDoomorning diplo popey08:32
popeymorning08:35
jacobwmorning08:41
jacobwo/ popeye08:44
czajkowskialoha09:22
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daubersMorning09:27
bigcalmMorning09:43
MartijnVdShttp://www.speedtest.net/result/2326370093.png10:20
dwatkinsnice, MartijnVdS - home or work?10:20
MartijnVdShome10:22
dwatkinshaha, your home internet connection is twice as good as mine at work10:22
MartijnVdS:)10:22
dwatkinsoh wow, I get 78 Mbps down and 42.50 Mbps up today, that's a lot better than last time I tested it.10:23
MartijnVdSI should be getting 100/100, but I think I'm hitting some overhead and/or speedtest server limits10:23
dwatkinssaturating the application's ability to process data ;)10:24
MartijnVdSor that10:24
MartijnVdSit's flash after all10:24
* dwatkins couldn't possibly comment on that10:24
brobostigongood morning everyone10:28
jacobwhey brobostigon10:30
jacobwhow's it going?10:30
brobostigonjacobw: hi, could be better, and you?10:31
jacobwbrobostigon: i could also be better10:40
brobostigonjacobw: :(10:40
jacobwbrobostigon: lifes goes, and on, and on :)10:40
brobostigonjacobw: yep :)10:42
jacobwbrobostigon: i was pleased to read this yesterday http://lwn.net/Articles/526082/10:42
jacobwbrobostigon: my view is that reimplementing the desktop metaphor in a better framework allows evolution10:43
jacobwbrobostigon: for example, compiz-wall-plugin is from the 'new framework' and is great to use with the desktop metaphor10:44
brobostigonjacobw: umm, i havent really thought about it.10:45
AlanBellI really like what gnome-shell has done with workspaces10:58
brobostigoni agree,10:59
ali1234the problem with using extensions on top of gnome-shell is that they will enable a classic mode exactly like the one you get in gnome 2 and completely uncustomizable11:04
ali1234basically it will look the same in screenshots but operate completely differently11:05
* AlanBell has a look at gnome shell extensions11:09
AlanBellO.o at "Remove Accessibility" being the most popular extension11:09
popeyhah11:09
AlanBellit just removes the indicator, doesn't turn anything off, but O.o all the same11:10
ali1234the comments on that lwn post are funny11:10
ali1234gnome supports can only make ad hominem attacks and not answer any questions11:11
ali1234and as usual they ignore any serious questions and make hundreds of posts under anything stupid and easy to argue with11:11
ali1234this stuff is starting to seriously piss me off to he point i'm considering going back to windows11:12
SuperMattwait, people want to go back to windows because the gnome team have made their DE less configurable. Surely they must release that Windows is even less configurable than that!11:14
ali1234yes but microsoft does not make unjustified claims of being open11:15
ali1234with windows you at least know what you're getting11:15
AlanBellnot too bothered about configurability personally11:15
ali1234neither am i11:16
ali1234i just want somethng that works without having to spend days setting it up11:16
AlanBellI would like a consistent and understandable framework11:16
AlanBelldunno if Android for the desktop or Chrome OS is going to end up being the thing that wins11:17
ali1234android for desktop is not really workable11:17
ali1234it barely supports mouse11:17
ali1234chrome os might be workable if i could just figure out how to install a terminal client (not a html5 one)11:17
AlanBellit isn't there right now11:18
AlanBellbut I think firefox OS and ChromeOS are probably sensible directions, Google might just throw crazy amounts of effort at android and merge it a bit with chromeOS and get a desktop out of it11:19
ali1234i'm really finding it difficult to understand why certain people cry about how unity, cinnamon, mate etc should cooperate more with gnome, when those forks exist because gnome refused to cooperate11:22
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ali1234same thing is happening with systemd and udev11:23
ali1234basically the entire problem is caused because the attitude is "you must contribute only the things we ask for"11:24
ali1234oh look, jbicha espousing the joy of keyboard shortcuts11:27
einonmali1234: and the solution to that would be to take your own fork and change it the way you see fit. Is that such a big issue?11:27
ali1234einonm: it's not a big issue for me, however, it seems to be an issue for the gnome project who treat any such forks with contempt11:27
einonmali1234: One of the beauties of FOSS forking is that what they think doesn't really matter - you can ignore them11:28
ali1234yes, i do ignore them11:28
ali1234i also ignore most of the stuff developed for ubuntu for the same reason11:29
ali1234the problem then, is that when i ignore them, then suddenly i become the enemy for not "improving" these projects instead of forking them11:29
einonmali1234: I can understand both sides of that really, a fork could offend. But, as I said earlier - it doesn't really matter in the long run. Evolution carries on, and the 'fittest' survive.11:32
ali1234yeah11:32
ali1234so what am i supposed to do in the short term when there's no usable desktop *at all*11:33
einonmUse the command line, obviously :o) Old faithful.11:34
ali1234i do use the command line. i have more shell windows than anything else. every single one of these next gen desktop totally fails in this use case11:34
kvarleyIs the default permissions code 655 ?11:35
ali1234http://lwn.net/Articles/526382/11:35
ali1234^ this is a perfect llustration11:35
ali1234two days ago i asked jbicha a rhetorical question: "do you think a patch would reverting compiz to 0.8 would be accepted for SRU?"11:36
MartijnVdSkvarley: depends on the umask11:36
shaunoI ditched linux on the desktop years ago. it's had it's day.11:36
MartijnVdSshauno: you use FreeBSD now?11:36
shaunoosx on anything that has a screen, linux on anything that doesn't11:37
ali1234it's not my responsibility to clean up after regressions introduced for the sake of features i do not want, and if you ask me to do that, yes, i'm going to get annoyed11:37
ali1234every time someone says "fix it if you don't like it" what they are saying is "we'll just make new features and you can fix the bugs in our crappy code and like it"11:38
ali1234it's particularly annoying when "we don;t have enough resources to test" is used as an excuse for dropping features that work in favour of ones that don't11:39
ali1234apparently you do not have the resources to test *at all* so the number of features is irrelevant, because 0/x = 011:40
AlanBellthere is testing done, on certain hardware and on certain configurations11:41
AlanBellthere isn't enough configuration diversity11:41
ali1234there are plenty of bugs that aren't hardware specific too11:41
AlanBelland I suspect some testing is done on strange edge cases, like multimonitor testing on matching monitors11:42
ali1234right across unity and gnome shell and kde 411:42
ali1234another annoying thing is the "everyone complained when gnome 2 was new but now they love it argument" aka the "everyone hated the windows XP UI when it was new but now they want to keep it"11:43
ali1234the early versions were just as bad and it basically took 10 years for them to get fixed11:44
czajkowski*yawns*11:44
ali1234and now it's going to take another 10 years for gnome 3 to get usable, at which point it will be dropped for something rubbish again11:44
SuperMatthow many people get paid *just* to work on gnome, and nothing else?11:45
einonmali1234: I put those sort of comments down to the work of the blogosphere, everyone trying to get a headline and some ad revenue for their blog. The important thing is that you still have the choice, and the FOSS freedoms.11:45
ali1234einonm: that's fine the trouble is when canonical is paying a community team to basically troll around the internet making these arguments on *any blog post* which is critical of unity11:46
ali1234apparently they don't have enough resources for testing, but plenty for astroturfing11:47
ali1234but then, denying there is a problem is probably cheaper than actually fixing it11:47
AlanBellI do like the engagement of the community team, however I sometimes wonder if the engineers collaborate less because that is someone elses job11:48
AlanBellbut meh, this is all chatter11:49
czajkowskiali1234: that's a bit harsh to say canonical pay people to troll11:52
czajkowskilook you're not paid and you do a great job of trolling11:52
ali1234yet the facts speak for themselves11:53
einonmczajkowski: I disagree. Trolls are usually positive about _something_ ;o)11:53
AlanBellthere is loads of testing done, and the testing team are quite approachable11:55
ali1234i had to unfollow jcastro on g+ because 50% of his posts are links to criticism, with encouragement to go and troll the comments11:55
ali1234jono and mhall do the same thing11:57
AlanBellnah, they are all mostly positive11:58
ali1234no, they're not11:58
czajkowskiLaney: you were right :)12:01
* Laney offers czajkowski some skittles12:01
czajkowskiohhh not had them in donkeys!12:01
LaneyI don't /actually/ have any, but now I want some :(12:01
czajkowskiLaney: coming to fosdem?12:01
czajkowskiLaney: smarties are nicer and kinder to ones teeth12:01
Laneyhmm, don't know, haven't arranged owt yet12:01
Laneywould be good though12:01
Laneycan you get cheap eurostar?12:02
czajkowskiLaney: lazy bum come on the train!12:02
czajkowskiyeah bookings opened up 4 weeks ago at least12:02
* Laney looks12:03
dogmatic69That is strange. Update manager popped up but is showing as gedit in the unity bar.14:15
SuperEngineerHi folks. I want to make a USB bootable Knoppix, downloaded Unetbootin on Ubuntu.15:47
SuperEngineer It asks for distro [Knoppix is not there] - anybody able to tell me best selection?15:47
popeySuperEngineer, download the knoppix iso from their site?15:57
popeyhttp://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/torrents/KNOPPIX_V7.0.4CD-2012-08-20-EN.torrent15:58
SuperEngineerpopey - I have had the iso on disk for a long time - I want to put it on bootable usb16:02
popeySuperEngineer, unetbootin can be told to use an iso, you dont have to pick a distro from the list16:03
popeyjust point it at the iso image16:03
Davieyunetbootin is spawn of the devil.16:04
SuperMattstartup disk creator is awesome.16:05
SuperMattthough I don't know why we're calling it that any more16:05
SuperMattcould change it to something like "live environment creator"16:05
SuperEngineerpopey, thanks - will do.16:06
SuperMattor just live disk creator16:06
jacobwSuperMatt: disk/drive16:24
SuperMattlive drive creator? yeah, I like that16:25
SuperMattSOMEONE GET CANONICAL ON THE BLOWER!16:25
rollAnyone heard of a word called BLOATWARE?16:35
rollYES16:35
rollBLOATWARE16:35
rollUbuntu stands for bloatware.16:35
* dwatkins yawns16:35
Laneyhahaha16:35
dwatkinsit must be time for nursery school to finish16:36
dogmatic69*sigh*16:36
brobostigondwatkins: lol :)16:36
Laneyyou shouldn't express your rilement16:36
* roll Likes chocolate cake with some bloatware.16:36
Laneyare you a bread roll?16:37
Laneyor a drum roll?16:37
dwatkinsrolling on the floor laughing, perhaps16:37
rollI am a blotwareroll16:37
Laneyoh :(16:37
dwatkinsah, a not making any sense roll16:37
Laneytreadmill?16:37
rollWhy is Ubuntu so overrated?16:37
rollIt seems that everyone loves it.16:37
dwatkinsisn't being overrated entirely subjective as analyses go?16:38
dogmatic69roll: based on your passed messages, I would not say everyone.16:38
dwatkinslike saying that strawberries are overrated16:38
dwatkinsoh no, some people don't like Ubuntu, call the newspapers!16:39
dwatkinsI'm not seeing any facts in this discussion.16:39
SuperMattI would say that it's not overrated, it's just popular because it is the most complete Linux distro out there, with respect to usability and design16:39
rollBut Ubuntu has problems too16:40
dwatkinssuch as?16:40
SuperMattsure, it does, but the user experience is unparalled compared to other distros16:40
dogmatic69software with issues, imagine that...16:40
dwatkinshaha16:41
rollso yea16:41
dwatkinswhich issues are you referring to, roll?16:41
rollUbuntu has issues, regardless whether you like it or not. It is not a puppy.16:41
dwatkinswhich issues are you referring to, roll?16:41
dogmatic69roll: can you name any software that does not have issues?16:42
rollIt is slow, energy inefficient, and has too much in it.16:42
AlanBellfeel free not to use it16:43
dwatkinsLast time I ran Ubuntu it was faster than certain other operating systems on a given machine. It had better energy management than that OS, too.16:43
SuperMattI would say that the first point is hardware dependant, and the last is subjective16:43
dwatkinsWhat does 'too much in it' mean? If hard disk space is an issue, there's always lubuntu or other versions.16:43
popeydon't feed the t(roll)16:43
dogmatic69popey: but hes hungry16:43
rollI think you only say that because your high spec pc can handle everything.16:43
AlanBellindeed16:44
dwatkinspopey: I was not running ubuntu on a high spec pc16:44
rollNot everyone is blessed with pc that can handle the pressure of Ubuntu.16:44
rollI like Ubuntu.16:44
dwatkinsmy netbook is slow and old, so I run lubuntu.16:44
rollIt is slow because Ubuntu.16:44
dwatkinsthat makes no sense.16:45
* SuperEngineer has discovered watching theF1 practice session is far more interesting than watching a troll blame itself for it's own failings16:45
* dwatkins goes back to solving customer's problems16:45
diploroll: I think your on about the Window manager as the issue, not the core of ubuntu16:45
diploTry a different desktop like xfce/lxde etc16:46
rollWindows is another story.16:46
dwatkinsif Windows is slow too, that would suggest you definitely have a slow PC16:46
rollWindows is for anyone who is willing to get themselves hacked and join a botnet.16:46
diploOh please....16:46
dwatkins /ignore roll16:47
SuperEngineerback later folks [I can find better ways of being amused]16:47
diploAll OS's are ok, I use all 3 and they all have there place16:47
SuperEngineer& well said dwatkins16:47
rollWindows lacks the defences against hackers.16:47
SuperMattI would disagree16:48
SuperMattWindows *users* lack defences against hackers16:48
SuperMattsome people used windows firewall free for years and never once got a virus16:48
rollAnyone with little RE knowledge and ASM can create exploits for Win.16:48
rollUbuntu has the defences but lacks the efficiency.16:50
diploroll: Please stop :)16:50
SuperMattawww, but I want to know what he thinks is inefficient16:51
SuperMattbecause my workflow fits extremely well with unity, and I can't imagine it possibly being any faster16:51
dwatkinsIt's time I cycled home inefficiently, with gears.16:52
rollSeems that Ubuntu is trying gard, but not hard enough.16:52
SuperMattoh, I see16:52
SuperMattyou're blaming them for not having enough staff, because their budget is still limited while they can't make much money from it16:53
rollHaving big sponsors, doesnt necessarily mean having good production. We have seen over the years, it has gone from bloatware to Bloattware.16:54
diploWell that was some entertainment for time before home, but I will bid you good night peeps :)16:56
popeyttfn16:56
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rollI believe that some of you have a false sense of atraction to Ubuntu, because of its marketing.16:59
`|`rollyou might need to recheck your beliefs.17:02
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* popey checks his beliefs17:06
`|`rollYour beliefs are nothing but a bunch of opinions based on a OS that is outdated and not in fully operational state.17:07
AlanBellwell I think you have had your 15 minutes of fame now17:08
AlanBellbye o/17:08
`|`rollalanbell :)17:08
AlanBellstrange person17:10
popeyi would like to see a kickban on sight for that person now please17:12
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popeyaaast, mrmist-, EXORCIST, roll and `|`roll.17:14
SuperEngineerwhoopee.. it's gone. [thought I'd better disappear when it started PM'ing me]17:18
SuperMattpopey: I'd love to do that, but you have to give me ops :P17:20
SuperMattfortunately he hasn't found his way into the one I am an op for17:20
einonmTo be fair, he did have a point about the marketing being bad. Just look at the next meeting date listed in the room topic ^^^^17:22
AlanBelleinonm: how is that marketing?17:22
mgdmI like how you conflate one out of date topic in a community channel with Ubuntu's marketing17:23
SuperMattI think Valve are currently marketing Ubuntu more than Canonical are17:23
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Laney2013?17:24
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AlanBellhow are Valve marketing it?17:25
SuperEngineerChanserv gives buy-everyone-a-drink-operator status to AlanBell17:26
AlanBell:)17:26
einonmI wasn't being entirely serious about the marketing, but to answer AlanBell's question, have you ever tried one of those timeshare sales events? Get you in the room, and then wham! The hard sell.17:26
AlanBellyeah, we should do that kind of thing more often17:27
AlanBellso what are Valve doing to market it then? I wouldn't expect to see any of their marketing myself but are other people seeing stuff?17:27
einonmJust a few blogs and news sites, but that would probably be preaching to the converted. But there is this site too I've stumbled across - http://steamforlinux.com/17:30
popeyi dont think thats valve doing the work17:36
popeybut their fans / users17:36
gordwhen it comes to video game stuff, the users are a very internet savvy bunch, if your product is good enough you don't need to market it at all. look at minecraft17:39
directhexmmm, sadly inaccurate17:39
directhexmany critical successes have been financial flops17:40
directhexminecraft is a rare breakaway hit17:40
gordnot financial flops because of marketing, compound reasons17:41
gordwhat i'm saying is that if your product is good enough, people get the word out, you don't have to. that doesn't guaruntee anti-floppage17:42
directhexwell marketed games usually sell well17:42
directhexpoorly marketed ones don't17:42
directhexregardless of quality17:42
gordi'm not talking about what sells well17:42
* popey is testing Dear Esther in Linux17:43
popeythey're shipping it as a wine bottle thing17:43
gordthat game conned me :( i thought it was an actual game with puzzles17:43
directhexi hated dear esther17:43
popeyyeah, it's not really a game17:43
gordits a nice wander around scotland17:43
popeyit has a "multicore rendering" option which kills my HD2000 intel thing17:43
directhexpretentious arthouse bull17:43
popeyhah17:43
popeyi was going to suggest to the guy that you might test it17:44
popeyi wont now :)17:44
SuperEngineerIf I don't "do" online gaming is there any point in me keeping Mumble on disk?17:51
SuperEngineer [only used it to set sound levels for new microphone]17:51
popeyi use mumble sometimes just for chitter chatter17:52
popeynot gaming related17:52
AzelphurSuperEngineer: loads of non-gamers use mumble. The better question would be "Do I use this?"17:52
popeyin fact I never use mumble for gaming chat17:52
* SuperEngineer is getting the hint here :D17:52
Azelphurhehe17:53
AzelphurI should start a blog about all the weird bitcoin trades I do, yesterday I apparently saved an arranged marriage o.O17:53
popeyone game I quite like is pax-britannica17:54
popeydirecthex / gord do you know of any other "one key" games like that?17:54
dwatkinscannabalt?17:54
popeyoh yes, i like that too17:55
popeyhave that on my nexus 717:55
directhexpopey, sorry, "one key"?17:55
dwatkinstiny wings?17:55
popeyyeah, each player basically has one button17:55
popeyso as you hold it down something charges up (in pax) and you let go at a certain point17:55
popeylet go early you build a small fighter, let go later you build a bigger one17:56
gordi know of single player one button games, but not multiplayer games17:56
popeythat looks cute17:57
dwatkinsit's superb, popey17:57
dwatkinsreally smooth17:57
directhexpopey, sorry, i lack much knowledge in this area.17:57
popeynp :)17:58
dwatkinssome of the Llamasoft iOS games are one-tap, too17:58
popeyamazes me he's still making games17:58
dwatkinshe hangs out on irc sometimes too17:58
dwatkinsYak, that is, Giles too occasionally.17:59
dwatkinsthey have a lovely farmhouse in deepest Wales17:59
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directhexi don't really know much about mobile games18:01
directhexnot much choice on wp7 ;)18:01
gordthat rayman game was good for a bit18:01
directhexi never really played portable games generally, on game boy etc either18:01
gordand uh, the jetpack one, you have a jetpack in it18:01
directhexdoodle jump?18:01
gordnoo18:01
gordjetpack.. man.. guy18:01
gordah jetpack joyride18:02
popeyserious sam 3 isn't gonna work on my intel 2000 is it?18:05
dwatkinsrelevant jetpack joyride achievement image: http://i.imgur.com/E0hwq.jpg18:06
gordit might do, dialed down18:07
popeyhmm, starts okay18:08
popeyat 1080p, looks like its auto set some detail low18:08
gordits a game known for having huge hoards of enemies running at you with explosions everywhere, so uh, wait till that happens and report back ;)18:08
popey:)18:08
directhexyeah, what gord said18:11
directhexIMHO intel is now almost usable at low res. but 1080p? fugeddaboutit18:12
popeyyeah, framerate is a bit sucky18:14
popeyand detail is really sparse18:14
popeythis is fun :)18:24
popeysmooshing aliens with a sledgehammer18:24
* MartijnVdS was just playing The Walking Dead (on Windows, yes)18:25
directhexhttp://blogs.unity3d.com/2012/11/22/linux-publishing-in-unity-4-0/18:52
MartijnVdSI think Stephen Fry is trying 11.10: https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/27204848372326400018:56
Azelphur3TB drives up on Amazon for $90, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=VEJQODWfEeK7yers-pUvpQclY1_QJXI3_0_0_0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E1682214884419:01
Azelphurprobably won't last long19:01
MartijnVdSjust bought 4 2TB disks for €89 each19:02
AzelphurMartijnVdS: ouch :P19:02
MartijnVdSthis model's little brother19:02
MartijnVdSAzelphur: meh, I'll upgrade when my 4-disk NAS is full :P19:03
AzelphurMartijnVdS: I nabbed myself 2 of them (I have a US dude that will ship them to UK folks for a small fee)19:03
MartijnVdS//192.168.178.250/photo     5,4T     792G  4,6T  15% /mnt/photo19:03
MartijnVdS^ NAS (RAID5) still has 4.6T free19:03
AzelphurMartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/4EGzkSQq I eat space :P19:04
MartijnVdSAzelphur: scenester ;)19:04
Azelphurhehe19:04
* MartijnVdS removes stuff sometimes19:04
* dwatkins is curious what kinds of NAS device people use19:07
MartijnVdSSynology DS413j19:07
dwatkinsI'm very tempted to get one of those, MartijnVdS.19:11
dwatkinsmy oh my they're expensive, though19:12
brobostigonin irssi, /layout save. :)19:18
dwatkinsooh, thanks brobostigon19:18
brobostigon:)19:19
diploEvening all21:38
brobostigonevening diplo21:41
* daubers loads debian onto the eeepc21:46
brobostigon:)21:49
daubersIt's off to spend the rest of it's life running the reprap21:50
diploAnyone recommend a cheap tablet for my kids for xmas22:01
diploCheap but ok for a 6 year old22:02
directhexkindle fire is £99 TODAY.22:07
directhexwait and it won't be22:07
directhexsorry, until monday it's £9922:08
directhexwell, £109 without banner ads on the lock screen22:08
directhexhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0083Q04M2/22:08
diploHmm, thinking more the cheaper ones ( very young kids ) I want a decent ish one for me but worried with them22:08
diplohttp://www.lightinthebox.com/c/android-tablets_4781/All-3?currency=GBP&litb_from=paid_adwords_search&gclid=COP0ucKM5rMCFaTMtAodMQoASQ22:08
directhexregular android sucks for small kids, due to the bottom-of-screen issue22:10
diploThe kids love my brothers ipad, I'd love to get them one but not sure I can afford £200 for 2 :(22:10
directhexread http://uxdesign.smashingmagazine.com/2012/03/12/dads-plea-developers-ipad-apps-children/ then consider that upstream android puts un-disableable controls at the bottom of the screen (home button, menu button, etc)22:11
diploCant believe he has a 2 year old on a ipad22:18
diploI didnt let my kids close to that stuff till they were 4+22:18
diploWish I had more cash really to buy them something better22:20
directhexso what's the budget?22:20
diploReally haven't set one, wanted to see what others recommended and then work out if it's affordable, just didn't want to buy rubbish and regret it after22:21
diploJust worried if I only buy one the other will complain :)22:21
diploHave you played with the Fire directhex ?22:22
directhexnot personally. but i've prodded various £80 no-name tablets22:22
directhexi.e. the contents of your link22:23
diploOne of my mates bought his 4yo a £50-60 one, resistive.. kid loves it but i think it's annoying because of the resistive, most of those though were capacitive i think22:24
diploWish someone would stock some no names around here to play with22:24
directhexpc world & maplin!22:24
diploreally.. ooh, a trip to bristol tomorrow then may be in order22:24
directhextwo things should be assumed with a no-name: the warranty will suck, and the OS will never get updated22:26
directhexso as a starter, you need to assume that for the entire lifetime of the device, it will never run apps for a more recent version of android22:26
diployeah, tbh if it lasts a year or so I'd be happy22:26
directhexunless you somehow badger a custom ROM onto it, and the community for a random no-name tablet isn't huge22:26
diploI'll be better off by then and the kids will be older22:26
diployeah i did think that, want to get myself a nexus 10 probably when they come out22:27
diploWanted to use them as a video player for the car when we do trips to plymouth etc22:27
diploSaves me buying a dvd thing for it22:27
directhexthe chip in most of these sucks, too. they basically all use the same bargain basement CPU, the Allwinner A1x22:28
directhexthe embedded arm guy in the office shudders when i mention the A1022:30
diploSo basically the Fire or something above is recommended or don't bother ?22:31
diploMaybe I just get the 10" for me and let the boys use it22:31
directhexa couple of the £96 tablets claim a Samsung CPU. but also have Android 2.322:31
diploI'll try maplins and see what they are like, if I'm not sold I'll buy them something else22:33
diploLiked the idea of a table though22:33
diplotablet*22:36
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